Zimmerman/Martin

[No Surprize]

The Trayvon Martin the media never showed us.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Get ready..shithead BOzo is about to say something really fucking stupid about this any moment now.

[Memorex]

Get ready..shithead BOzo is about to say something really fucking stupid about this any moment now.

I was worried when he started talking and as discussed in my other thread, thought it was really valuable.

[The Sushi Hunter]

If I lived in that FL community, I could have been Zimmerman.

[Boomchild]

The Trayvon Martin the media never showed us.

From the way the media portrayed Martin you got the idea that he was like a12yr. skipping down the street singing nursery rhymes while Zimmerman gunned him down.

[Voyager]

There are plenty of black people who understand the trial was fair...

LOL! Where are they?

An innocent black kid was profiled, stalked, and murdered, and a white/hispanic man got away with murdering him. Any way you twist the details, this still is exactly what happened.

There are maybe a few black GOP members that tow the party line in letting Zimmerman off the hook, but I wouldn't call them "plenty". More like a few rarities here and there.

[Voyager]

The Trayvon Martin the media never showed us.

From the way the media portrayed Martin you got the idea that he was like a12yr. skipping down the street singing nursery rhymes while Zimmerman gunned him down.

His age or the songs he was singing or the weed he may have smoked or the hoodie he was wearing does NOT absolve Zimmerman from murdering an innocent black kid. I have no idea why people bring that shit up because it is irrelevant. It's like saying Ron Goldman deserved getting murdered by OJ Simpson because he had smoked crack the night before. It's irrelevant what the victim's lifestyle was.

[Voyager]

The Trayvon Martin the media never showed us.

Yeah? Where is the Ron Goldman or Nicole Brown Simpson that the media never showed us? Maybe if we saw that they were terrible sinners, we could cut OJ Simpson some slack?

I have no idea why people think this way. It baffles the shit out of me.

[steveo777]

The Trayvon Martin the media never showed us.

Yeah? Where is the Ron Goldman or Nicole Brown Simpson that the media never showed us? Maybe if we saw that they were terrible sinners, we could cut OJ Simpson some slack?

I have no idea why people think this way. It baffles the shit out of me.

How can you compare what happened to Goldman to what happened to Trayvon? This baffles the shit out of me! Do some people think that Zimmerman just chased Martin and gunned him down?

[Boomchild]

There are plenty of black people who understand the trial was fair...

LOL! Where are they?

An innocent black kid was profiled, stalked, and murdered, and a white/hispanic man got away with murdering him. Any way you twist the details, this still is exactly what happened.

There are maybe a few black GOP members that tow the party line in letting Zimmerman off the hook, but I wouldn't call them "plenty". More like a few rarities here and there.

Perhaps you saw or heard about a different trial. Martin was beating on Zimmerman. That is not an act of a innocent person. All arguments regarding this situation are now moot. Zimmerman had a trial with a jury. The state presented their viewpoint and Zimmerman's defense presented his. The jury after seeing\hearing all the evidence determined that Zimmerman did not murder Martin. The jury had more information then any of the media or onlookers and they determined he was not guilty of murder.

[steveo777]

There are plenty of black people who understand the trial was fair...

LOL! Where are they?

An innocent black kid was profiled, stalked, and murdered, and a white/hispanic man got away with murdering him. Any way you twist the details, this still is exactly what happened.

There are maybe a few black GOP members that tow the party line in letting Zimmerman off the hook, but I wouldn't call them "plenty". More like a few rarities here and there.

Here is one. I'm not going to go do all your research for you. You are either educated about the case, or you are not. If I could interview everyone running around spouting off, I doubt, after I asked them a few questions about the case, they could answer half of them correctly. Anyway, kudos to this man, who is not reacting with the typical mob mentality.

He'll probably get called an Uncle Tom, but whatever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU5LNSpW ... ture=share

[slucero]

There are plenty of black people who understand the trial was fair...

LOL! Where are they?

An innocent black kid was profiled, stalked, and murdered, and a white/hispanic man got away with murdering him. Any way you twist the details, this still is exactly what happened.

There are maybe a few black GOP members that tow the party line in letting Zimmerman off the hook, but I wouldn't call them "plenty". More like a few rarities here and there.

Charles Barkley: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/07/1 ... n-verdict/

Bill Cosby: http://www.mediaite.com/online/bill-cos ... is-racist/

[The Sushi Hunter]

BOzo has said absolutely nothing about the little kid shot during the hold up robbery, nothing about the woman who was savagely beaten and nearly killed in front of her kid in her own house which was nicely recorded with the nany cam, nothing about the teen who drop kicked a woman in her face in San Francisco a few weeks ago when she was trying to pull herself up off the sidewalk after being robbed, again captured on video, and nothing about how blacks are killing each other all around the US every day of the week. Yet he does take this opportunity to protest and call it a racist incident of a shooting that was a valid act of self defense. This fucking asshole POTUS has just lowered himself to the likes of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the like. What a fucking POS!

[Boomchild]

BOzo has said absolutely nothing about the little kid shot during the hold up robbery, nothing about the woman who was savagely beaten and nearly killed in front of her kid in her own house which was nicely recorded with the nany cam, nothing about the teen who drop kicked a woman in her face in San Francisco a few weeks ago when she was trying to pull herself up off the sidewalk after being robbed, again captured on video, and nothing about how blacks are killing each other all around the US every day of the week. Yet he does take this opportunity to protest and call it a racist incident of a shooting that was a valid act of self defense. This fucking asshole POTUS has just lowered himself to the likes of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the like. What a fucking POS!

This just reinforces the point that all he is doing is capitalizing on a highly visible situation and using it to his advantage. There was no need for him to weigh in on the situation. He took his view point from "it could of been my son" to "it was me". Projecting himself into the event is just shameless and a cheap shot. This situation didn't lower him to the likes of those you mentioned. He already was a liar, fraud and a divider of people.

[StoneCold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1Jc4WZ3zwU

[Voyager]

Wow you guys have some serious hatred going on.

[slucero]

not hatred.. just reality....

I grew up in North San Jose CA, my best friends in the neighborhood were black, asian, and white.. and we all hung together.. all the time... this was from ages 7 to about 14..

..and I voted for Obama in 2008.

A President has to rise above color. Instead, with his remarks he has chosen to represent one.. to the exclusion of all the others..

That pisses me off..

[Boomchild]

..and I voted for Obama in 2008.

So you didn't vote to re-elect him in 2012? After all he's not the problem. Everyone else is. He just needs more time to fix things.

[steveo777]

..and I voted for Obama in 2008.

So you didn't vote to re-elect him in 2012? After all he's not the problem. Everyone else is. He just needs more time to fix things.

When he starts trying to push term limit modification, it fails, yet he rams it through anyway, we have a problem. Of course he needs more time to fix things. He has the highest paying government job someone so worthless can hold.

[slucero]

..and I voted for Obama in 2008.

So you didn't vote to re-elect him in 2012? After all he's not the problem. Everyone else is. He just needs more time to fix things.

I voted for him because I was fed up with the Republican party.. McCain was a fucking JOKE. After 28 years as a registered Republican .. I couldn't hold my nose any longer.. and left the party.

After the Republican National Committee fiasco at the RNC Convention, where they called a voice vote 3 times to get the rules change they wanted, throwing Ron Pauls delegates (and their votes) under the bus.. just so they could say Romney was "unanimously" nominated... I became a registered Independent, and voted for an Independent candidate..

Both parties are the same party... neither represent the People.

[Memorex]

I don't think you can say Obama has chosen to represent one race to the the exclusion of others.

His comments on race are based on experience. He is a black man. Therefore, that's his experience. That's unchangeable and not a choice he can make one way or the the other. His race speeches center on that experience. If he got up and started talking about white experience, he'd be kooky. But race speeches are not policy. It's leading in a moral sense, but nothing else.

So, can anyone disagree that his policies to date have only hurt the black community - more specifically the poor black community? Higher gas prices. Higher energy prices. Higher unemployment than any other sector. And frankly, I believe the help he has given, such as food stamps and higher levels of disability only serve to keep people in those situations from moving up and past that - no matter what race or gender.

If you are a low-income black person in America, outside of the pride of having a black president, nothing is better for you and it's most likely worse.

That's not just Obama - it's pretty much everyone in power now.

[steveo777]

I used to think Ron Paul's voters were a loony fringe. I no longer think that. Maybe they saw a bit further down the road. I think next time around we do need an independent and someone who cares about the constitution and will actually uphold their oath when they are sworn in. I now feel that Ron Paul would have been that guy. He's getting a bit long in the tooth now. Not sure if he will run again.

[steveo777]

I don't think you can say Obama has chosen to represent one race to the the exclusion of others.

His comments on race are based on experience. He is a black man. Therefore, that's his experience. That's unchangeable and not a choice he can make one way or the the other. His race speeches center on that experience. If he got up and started talking about white experience, he'd be kooky. But race speeches are not policy. It's leading in a moral sense, but nothing else.

So, can anyone disagree that his policies to date have only hurt the black community - more specifically the poor black community? Higher gas prices. Higher energy prices. Higher unemployment than any other sector. And frankly, I believe the help he has given, such as food stamps and higher levels of disability only serve to keep people in those situations from moving up and past that - no matter what race or gender.

If you are a low-income black person in America, outside of the pride of having a black president, nothing is better for you and it's most likely worse.

That's not just Obama - it's pretty much everyone in power now.

There are plenty of black Americans who have found that America does offer opportunity to everyone. There is no excuse for not getting an education in this country. None! When you have a culture of youth that subscribes to the typical hip-hop, thug, gangsta culture, where every word they use is either mispronounced, an expletive, or something derrogatory, you will find there is not much market for them when it comes to finding a job. Who's fault is that? That culture and it's teachings are failing them. These are just plain facts that are out there for everyone to see.

[Memorex]

I don't think you can say Obama has chosen to represent one race to the the exclusion of others.

His comments on race are based on experience. He is a black man. Therefore, that's his experience. That's unchangeable and not a choice he can make one way or the the other. His race speeches center on that experience. If he got up and started talking about white experience, he'd be kooky. But race speeches are not policy. It's leading in a moral sense, but nothing else.

So, can anyone disagree that his policies to date have only hurt the black community - more specifically the poor black community? Higher gas prices. Higher energy prices. Higher unemployment than any other sector. And frankly, I believe the help he has given, such as food stamps and higher levels of disability only serve to keep people in those situations from moving up and past that - no matter what race or gender.

If you are a low-income black person in America, outside of the pride of having a black president, nothing is better for you and it's most likely worse.

That's not just Obama - it's pretty much everyone in power now.

There are plenty of black Americans who have found that America does offer opportunity to everyone. There is no excuse for not getting an education in this country. None! When you have a culture of youth that subscribes to the typical hip-hop, thug, gangsta culture, where every word they use is either mispronounced, an expletive, or something derrogatory, you will find there is not much market for them when it comes to finding a job. Who's fault is that? That culture and it's teachings are failing them. These are just plain facts that are out there for everyone to see.

When an administration focuses very little on jobs, it hurts everyone. Combined with other factors, it takes a specifically hard toil on the black population. While there may be opportunities for all, there are not as many as are needed.

[steveo777]

I don't think you can say Obama has chosen to represent one race to the the exclusion of others.

His comments on race are based on experience. He is a black man. Therefore, that's his experience. That's unchangeable and not a choice he can make one way or the the other. His race speeches center on that experience. If he got up and started talking about white experience, he'd be kooky. But race speeches are not policy. It's leading in a moral sense, but nothing else.

So, can anyone disagree that his policies to date have only hurt the black community - more specifically the poor black community? Higher gas prices. Higher energy prices. Higher unemployment than any other sector. And frankly, I believe the help he has given, such as food stamps and higher levels of disability only serve to keep people in those situations from moving up and past that - no matter what race or gender.

If you are a low-income black person in America, outside of the pride of having a black president, nothing is better for you and it's most likely worse.

That's not just Obama - it's pretty much everyone in power now.

There are plenty of black Americans who have found that America does offer opportunity to everyone. There is no excuse for not getting an education in this country. None! When you have a culture of youth that subscribes to the typical hip-hop, thug, gangsta culture, where every word they use is either mispronounced, an expletive, or something derrogatory, you will find there is not much market for them when it comes to finding a job. Who's fault is that? That culture and it's teachings are failing them. These are just plain facts that are out there for everyone to see.

When an administration focuses very little on jobs, it hurts everyone. Combined with other factors, it takes a specifically hard toil on the black population. While there may be opportunities for all, there are not as many as are needed.

You could put me in a black body and given what I know and how I think I would be employed and be earning exactly what I am worth either way. Exactly what I'm worth.....my value in expertise, education and the way I conduct and present myself. Time to quit making excuses. I've raised a family and had a successful career and I actually dropped out of high school. When I decided it was time to better myself I went back to school, applied myself and stopped believing that awful lie that you can't get anywhere if you don't have the right education, are not the right color and all the other bullshit people subscribe to. Nobody keeps anyone down, except themselves. I know people, as we all do, who barely speak english, but have the right heart and work ethic to overcome and they do.

[slucero]

I don't think you can say Obama has chosen to represent one race to the the exclusion of others.

His comments on race are based on experience. He is a black man. Therefore, that's his experience. That's unchangeable and not a choice he can make one way or the the other. His race speeches center on that experience. If he got up and started talking about white experience, he'd be kooky. But race speeches are not policy. It's leading in a moral sense, but nothing else.

So, can anyone disagree that his policies to date have only hurt the black community - more specifically the poor black community? Higher gas prices. Higher energy prices. Higher unemployment than any other sector. And frankly, I believe the help he has given, such as food stamps and higher levels of disability only serve to keep people in those situations from moving up and past that - no matter what race or gender.

If you are a low-income black person in America, outside of the pride of having a black president, nothing is better for you and it's most likely worse.

That's not just Obama - it's pretty much everyone in power now.

There is Barack Obama the man

There is Barack Obama the President

Barack Obama (the man) can say what ever he wants to, and from his own experience and opinion ... but what Barack Obama the President says, has to come from a different perspective, and speak to all, OR else he's not doing his job as President.

The President is confusing the two roles, forgetting that for now he is the President, 24/7/365.. until he's not, and what he is currently saying as President is only further dividing the nation in the process.

In my original comment.. my point and issue was with his "timing"... as President.

[annie89509]

..and I voted for Obama in 2008.

So you didn't vote to re-elect him in 2012? After all he's not the problem. Everyone else is. He just needs more time to fix things.

I voted for him because I was fed up with the Republican party.. McCain was a fucking JOKE. After 28 years as a registered Republican .. I couldn't hold my nose any longer.. and left the party.

After the Republican National Committee fiasco at the RNC Convention, where they called a voice vote 3 times to get the rules change they wanted, throwing Ron Pauls delegates (and their votes) under the bus.. just so they could say Romney was "unanimously" nominated... I became a registered Independent, and voted for an Independent candidate..

Both parties are the same party... neither represent the People.

I'm also a registered Independent ... leaning toward Republican as I share most conservative values. But, I'm liberal in some views, too. I agree, there are some really terrible things going on in both parties nowadays ... politicians who are so rigid in their thinking, ideologs, that only serves to hurt the well-being of the country.

Nevada is a state with a lot of libertarians, and I know people who just love Ron Paul. Let's face it, there hasn't been a really good presidential candidate since Reagan. Clinton was an okay president ... extra-curricular activities aside, the economy flourished under his watch. Bush was adequate president, except for those darn wars (to much money and soldier's lives wasted) that will forever tarnish his legacy.

McCain and Romney were 2 pretty weak candidates to go up against BO, but these 2 were the best the Reps. had to offer at the time, so what d'ya gonna do? For sure, Ron Paul had a lot of support, especially in this state... couldn't see myself "wasting" a vote on any third-party candidate, who couldn't possibly get enough to win. Kind of like when Ralph Nader decided to run ...so many liberals were happy and wanted to vote for him, but Demos were saying all he's going to do is divide the party base and give the Reps an advantage. Remember Ross Perot? Another 3rd-party presidential candidate on the fringe some years back. Seems all these 3rd-party guys have some character to them ... boring on loony ... haha.

[slucero]

I'm also a registered Independent ... leaning toward Republican as I share most conservative values. But, I'm liberal in some views, too. I agree, there are some really terrible things going on in both parties nowadays ... politicians who are so rigid in their thinking, ideologs, that only serves to hurt the well-being of the country.

Nevada is a state with a lot of libertarians, and I know people who just love Ron Paul. Let's face it, there hasn't been a really good presidential candidate since Reagan. Clinton was an okay president ... extra-curricular activities aside, the economy flourished under his watch. Bush was adequate president, except for those darn wars (to much money and soldier's lives wasted) that will forever tarnish his legacy.

McCain and Romney were 2 pretty weak candidates to go up against BO, but these 2 were the best the Reps. had to offer at the time, so what d'ya gonna do? For sure, Ron Paul had a lot of support, especially in this state... couldn't see myself "wasting" a vote on any third-party candidate, who couldn't possibly get enough to win. Kind of like when Ralph Nader decided to run ...so many liberals were happy and wanted to vote for him, but Demos were saying all he's going to do is divide the party base and give the Reps an advantage. Remember Ross Perot? Another 3rd-party presidential candidate on the fringe some years back. Seems all these 3rd-party guys have some character to them ... boring on loony ... haha.

No 3rd party candidate has a chance in hell getting elected because:

1. Since 1988, the Presidential debates have been controlled by the Commission on Presidential Debates(CPD). The commission has been headed since its inception by former chairs of the Democratic National Committee and Republican National Committee.. The CPD has also restructured the debate requirements to exclude all parties who cannot achieve 15% in opinion polls.
   
   This pretty much guarantees no competition from independent parties..
   .
2. At the 2012 Republican National Convention, the RNC leadership changed the delegate rules so they can essentially choose who the nominee is.... permanently emasculating the Libertarian and Tea Parties by rendering their delegate votes MOOT.

So for conservatives... the RNC has virtually guaranteed that any Republican candidate will have to be more liberal/moderate than conservative... which will effectively kill any Libertarian or independent conservative support for Rand Paul or any other 3rd party candidate, because they will have to moderate their positions to gain favor of the RNC party leadership.

The Dems and Reps have a legally obtained stranglehold monopoly on the elections.

I now vote my conscience because of this.

[Boomchild]

The way I see it, it's not about which party etc. etc.. It's about having people in office that do what is best for our country and it's citizens, while respecting the system our founding fathers put in place and upholding the constitution which is the blueprint for what they fought for.

[slucero]

The way I see it, it's not about which party etc. etc.. It's about having people in office that do what is best for our country and it's citizens, while respecting the system our founding fathers put in place and upholding the constitution which is the blueprint for what they fought for.

a very noble concept indeed.. but not gonna happen in this day and age..

..the system has been co-opted and corrupted from within.