Shooter @ the US Naval Base in Wash DC..

[tater1977]

Shooter @ the US Naval Base in Wash DC..
Naval spokesman reports "multiple injures, multiple fatalities as of now"..
Still seeking shooter...

[tater1977]

One gunman dead. Still searching for poss 2 other suspects....

[The Sushi Hunter]

I'm reading that two suspects are down and one is still outstanding. If this is true that there were multiple gunmen, I'd say this was a very planned and organized attack, over and beyond just a pissed off co-worker or what have you. This should get interesting as information becomes available.

[tater1977]

12 killed...

[Memorex]

America has a gun problem. This is getting ridiculous. When is society going to say enough and do something about guns in this country. How do we live in a place where one, two, three people can walk, armed, into an area with so many people and not be met with any resistance from the average citizens trying to start their workday? If we don't allow trained and responsible citizens to carry protection, this type of slaughter is going to continue.

See what I did there?

My thoughts are prayers are with all of those people and their families. It's too bad the bad guys knew they were defenseless.

[The Sushi Hunter]

America has a gun problem. This is getting ridiculous. When is society going to say enough and do something about guns in this country. How do we live in a place where one, two, three people can walk, armed, into an area with so many people and not be met with any resistance from the average citizens trying to start their workday? If we don't allow trained and responsible citizens to carry protection, this type of slaughter is going to continue.

See what I did there?

My thoughts are prayers are with all of those people and their families. It's too bad the bad guys knew they were defenseless.

The problem isn't the guns, its the people who have the need and desire to kill other people that is the problem. If this guy didn't have a gun, he'd a done something else to accomplish his goal of killing people. Ask Jeffery Dahmer how to kill a dozen or so people without the use of a gun and he'll tell you how. Ask the 9-11 hijackers how to kill 3000 people without even firing a shot. If people want to kill, they will find any means possible. If you take away the guns, they'll just change up how they go about killing people.

Saying guns kill people is like saying spoons made Rosie O'Donell fat. If you took away all of Rosies spoons, forks and knives, I guarantee you she'd learn to feed herself with chopsticks.

[verslibre]

Saying guns kill people is like saying spoons made Rosie O'Donell fat. If you took away all of Rosies spoons, forks and knives, I guarantee you she'd learn to feed herself with chopsticks.

GTFO. She'd be on ALL FOURS with her head buried in the dog's dish.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Saying guns kill people is like saying spoons made Rosie O'Donell fat. If you took away all of Rosies spoons, forks and knives, I guarantee you she'd learn to feed herself with chopsticks.

GTFO. She'd been on ALL FOURS with her head buried in the dog's dish.

That gives me a really bad visual.

[slucero]

America has a gun problem. This is getting ridiculous. When is society going to say enough and do something about guns in this country. How do we live in a place where one, two, three people can walk, armed, into an area with so many people and not be met with any resistance from the average citizens trying to start their workday? If we don't allow trained and responsible citizens to carry protection, this type of slaughter is going to continue.

See what I did there?

My thoughts are prayers are with all of those people and their families. It's too bad the bad guys knew they were defenseless.

The problem isn't the guns, its the people who have the need and desire to kill other people that is the problem. If this guy didn't have a gun, he'd a done something else to accomplish his goal of killing people. Ask Jeffery Dahmer how to kill a dozen or so people without the use of a gun and he'll tell you how. Ask the 9-11 hijackers how to kill 3000 people without even firing a shot. If people want to kill, they will find any means possible. If you take away the guns, they'll just change up how they go about killing people.

Saying guns kill people is like saying spoons made Rosie O'Donell fat. If you took away all of Rosies spoons, forks and knives, I guarantee you she'd learn to feed herself with chopsticks.

Sushi.. you missed the irony in Mems post...

[Memorex]

I guess the real issue is whatever makes these psychos think this is a viable solution for whatever troubles them. I know this isn't new and it's not on the rise like many think, but I think the brazenness and planning is progressing. I don't carry a gun, so I'd be no better off than the next guy, but I bet a lot of people would and I bet a lot more people would think twice about carrying out something like this.

But like I say, we have to figure how to defuse people like this. Figure out some warning signs or something. Nothing else will work.

[Boomchild]

The one issue with this type of thing happening on military installations is that personnel who are trained in how to properly use firearms are restricted from having side arms in these military locations. This is thanks to former POTUS Bill Clinton who signed off on this restriction. If you can't trust these trained personnel then who the hell can you trust? If we did, it is very likely that the carnage would be less in these attacks.

As far as the details on the shooter and motive, I'm sure the NSA, DHS and FBI will discover he acted alone, was angered by some obscure video on YouTube. Also they will find that the shooter was suffering from PTSD which would not have happened if we had the health care reform act up and running. Finally, if we had the purposed new gun laws in place, with out a doubt the shooter would not have been able to obtain the firearms used.

I find it interesting that these events keep popping up on a regular basis now that there is such a push to reform the 2nd amendment.

[steveo777]

The lefties are all over this one, once again demanding radical gun control. Heeeere we go again......

[tater1977]

The lefties are all over this one, once again demanding radical gun control. Heeeere we go again......

What I don't understand, is how the hell these guys get a weapon IF.. there is a background check done on them properly..
If you run a Triple III check or even a basic CHRi on them...esp the Triple III..everything but the color
of your underwear, you wore from last Tuesday shows up on it...
& I know with the speed of technology today...the color of your underwear from last Tuesday will show up
on it sooner or later ...even if you go commando....
Somewhere..down the line there's failure ....

[The Sushi Hunter]

They got a mug shot of the dude that did the shooting. Homie's looking like a milkdud.

[slucero]

...and yet... liberals are again waving their arms like lunatics about gun control...

Officials: Gunman treated for mental health issues
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 7-08-03-32

Sep 17, 8:03 AM EDT

By MATT APUZZO and ADAM GOLDMAN
Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. law enforcement officials are telling The Associated Press that the Navy contractor identified as the gunman in the mass shootings at the Washington Navy Yard had been suffering a host of serious mental issues, including paranoia and a sleep disorder. He also had been hearing voices in his head, the officials said.

Aaron Alexis, 34, had been treated since August by the Veterans Administration for his mental problems, the officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the criminal investigation in the case was continuing. The Navy had not declared him mentally unfit, which would have rescinded a security clearance that Alexis had from his earlier time in the Navy Reserves.

Family members told investigators that Alexis was being treated for his mental issues.

[The Sushi Hunter]

It will be interesting to find out how and where the guy was able to get the guns he used in this shooting. From what I've been hearing, the guy had lots of issues ranging from prior shooting incidents to mental issues. His discharge from the military was also a little sketchy. Besides the shooting, how can someone with these issues be hired to work for the Government? Most likely because of the "minority" factor.

[slucero]

He bought a 12-gauge shotgun and ammunition in recent days at a gun store in Virginia and took them to the Navy Yard Monday shortly before authorities believe he carried out the assault.

BUT

He sought help for mental illness as early as one month ago...but was never declared mentally ill by a court, which would have prohibited him from purchasing a weapon.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... n/2824793/

[verslibre]

He bought a 12-gauge shotgun and ammunition in recent days at a gun store in Virginia and took them to the Navy Yard Monday shortly before authorities believe he carried out the assault.

BUT

He sought help for mental illness as early as one month ago...but was never declared mentally ill by a court, which would have prohibited him from purchasing a weapon.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... n/2824793/

Then there you go. It was the fucking court's fault for not declaring him unfit.

But never mind that...GUNS!!! IT"S GUNS, PEOPLE!!!

[slucero]

He bought a 12-gauge shotgun and ammunition in recent days at a gun store in Virginia and took them to the Navy Yard Monday shortly before authorities believe he carried out the assault.

BUT

He sought help for mental illness as early as one month ago...but was never declared mentally ill by a court, which would have prohibited him from purchasing a weapon.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... n/2824793/

Then there you go. It was the fucking court's fault for not declaring him unfit.

But never mind that...GUNS!!! IT"S GUNS, PEOPLE!!!

The law is clear.. mentally ill people can't own/posses firearms...

So, in this day of "instant communication", it should be real easy to set up a system where when a person seeks help for a mental health issue, and a mental health professional agrees that that person is mentally unfit, that some message is sent to a clearing database that notifies the FBI so this person won't clear the background check... AND it notifies local authorities to confiscate existing weapons for safekeeping, to be returned when the person is declared mentally fit, or disposed of.

Really should not be that hard to do.

[tater1977]

He bought a 12-gauge shotgun and ammunition in recent days at a gun store in Virginia and took them to the Navy Yard Monday shortly before authorities believe he carried out the assault.

BUT

He sought help for mental illness as early as one month ago...but was never declared mentally ill by a court, which would have prohibited him from purchasing a weapon.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... n/2824793/

Then there you go. It was the fucking court's fault for not declaring him unfit.

But never mind that...GUNS!!! IT"S GUNS, PEOPLE!!!

The law is clear.. mentally ill people can't own/posses firearms...

So, in this day of "instant communication", it should be real easy to set up a system where when a person seeks help for a mental health issue, and a mental health professional agrees that that person is mentally unfit, that some message is sent to a clearing database that notifies the FBI so this person won't clear the background check... AND it notifies local authorities to confiscate existing weapons for safekeeping, to be returned when the person is declared mentally fit, or disposed of.

Really should not be that hard to do.

[slucero]

Then there you go. It was the fucking court's fault for not declaring him unfit.

But never mind that...GUNS!!! IT"S GUNS, PEOPLE!!!

The law is clear.. mentally ill people can't own/posses firearms...

So, in this day of "instant communication", it should be real easy to set up a system where when a person seeks help for a mental health issue, and a mental health professional agrees that that person is mentally unfit, that some message is sent to a clearing database that notifies the FBI so this person won't clear the background check... AND it notifies local authorities to confiscate existing weapons for safekeeping, to be returned when the person is declared mentally fit, or disposed of.

Really should not be that hard to do.

LMAO....

[tater1977]

Then there you go. It was the fucking court's fault for not declaring him unfit.

But never mind that...GUNS!!! IT"S GUNS, PEOPLE!!!

The law is clear.. mentally ill people can't own/posses firearms...

So, in this day of "instant communication", it should be real easy to set up a system where when a person seeks help for a mental health issue, and a mental health professional agrees that that person is mentally unfit, that some message is sent to a clearing database that notifies the FBI so this person won't clear the background check... AND it notifies local authorities to confiscate existing weapons for safekeeping, to be returned when the person is declared mentally fit, or disposed of.

Really should not be that hard to do.

LMAO....

S rry but it was just to good to pass up...

[slucero]

Looks like the Navy FUCKED UP.

U.S. Navy was warned that Washington shooter 'heard voices'
http://news.yahoo.com/gunman-opens-fire ... 32377.html

By Phil Stewart and Scott Malone

WASHINGTON/BOSTON (Reuters) - Rhode Island police warned the U.S. Navy last month that Washington Navy Yard gunman Aaron Alexis had reported "hearing voices," raising further questions about how he gained security clearance at the complex where he went on a shooting rampage.

Officials say Alexis, a Navy contractor and former Navy reservist, opened fire at the Naval Sea Systems Command on Monday, killing 12 people before police shot him dead.

The shooting - a mile and a half from the U.S. Capitol and three miles from the White House - sent shockwaves through Washington.

The Pentagon said it would review security at military installations around the world and the White House promised to review standards for federal government contractors.

A Defense Department Inspector General's report published on Tuesday revealed security lapses that allowed 52 convicted felons to gain access to Navy facilities because budget cuts had undermined vetting.

Meanwhile, the U.S. capital paused to remember the victims, aged 46 to 73, who included retirees, parents and a bird lover.

Police in Newport, Rhode Island, were so concerned about Alexis' behavior on a business trip there in August that they alerted Navy police.

Alexis told police he believed people were following him and "sending vibrations into his body," according to a Newport police report.

He told police that he had twice moved hotels to avoid the noise he heard coming through the floor and the ceiling of his rooms, and that the people following him were using "some sort of microwave machine" to prevent him from sleeping.

"Based on the naval base implications and the claim that the involved subject, one (Aaron Alexis) was 'hearing voices,' I made contact with the on-duty Naval Station police," a Newport police officer wrote, adding that he faxed his report of the incident to Navy police.

The Newport police report said Navy police had promised to check if Alexis was in fact a naval base contractor.

Asked for comment, a spokesman said the Navy was looking into the matter, without confirming any details.

In addition, CNN reported that Alexis had contacted two Veterans Administration hospitals recently and was believed to be seeking psychological help.

"Initial reports indicate that this is an individual who may have had some mental health problems," U.S. President Barack Obama told Spanish-language network Telemundo.

"The fact that we do not have a firm enough background check system is something that makes us more vulnerable to these kinds of mass shootings." [ID:nL2N0HD27Y]

The Navy gave Alexis an honorable discharge despite a series of eight to 10 misconduct charges, ranging from traffic offenses to disorderly conduct.

SECURITY CLEARANCE

Using a valid pass as an information technology contractor with a private company, Alexis entered the Naval Sea Systems Command headquarters with a shotgun - bought legally in Virginia - and gained access to a handgun after he started firing, officials said.

He started picking off victims in a cafeteria from a fourth-floor atrium, witnesses said. Eight people were hurt, three with gunshot wounds, before Alexis was killed in a gun battle with police.

A U.S. defense official said a National Agency Check, a type of background check, was completed on Alexis in August 2007 and he was determined eligible to handle "secret" material in March 2008. Such clearances are valid for 10 years, meaning Alexis had no need to renew his.

Alexis' employer said it had enlisted a service to make what appeared to be two standard, employment background checks on him over the past year, finding only a traffic violation while twice confirming his "secret"-level security clearance with the U.S. Defense Department.

"The latest background check and security clearance confirmation were in late June of 2013 and revealed no issues other than one minor traffic violation," The Experts, an information technology company, said in a statement.

Alexis was arrested on September 4, 2010, in Fort Worth, Texas, on a misdemeanor charge of discharging a firearm. He was also arrested in Seattle in 2004 for shooting out a construction worker's car tires in an anger-fueled "blackout" triggered by perceived "disrespect," police said. In 2008, he was cited for disorderly conduct in DeKalb County, Georgia, when he was kicked out of a club for damaging furnishings and cursing.

In each case, the charges were dropped.

People who knew Alexis said they were shocked by the shooting, describing him as a lover of Thai culture who worshipped at a Buddhist temple in Texas, although one acquaintance told reporters he had an unnatural affection for violent video games.

The Navy Yard was closed to all but essential personnel on Tuesday. Military police were stationed at the four entrances, checking the identifications of the employees who were being allowed back in. Other personnel milled around outside, hoping to retrieve cars that remained locked inside the gates.

"I've never ever felt unsafe at this place," said David Berlin, a civilian who works at the Navy Yard as an assistant program manager building weapons systems. "If someone wants to skirt the rules, they can do that, but you trust your colleagues."

[Boomchild]

The lefties are all over this one, once again demanding radical gun control. Heeeere we go again......

What I don't understand, is how the hell these guys get a weapon IF.. there is a background check done on them properly..
If you run a Triple III check or even a basic CHRi on them...esp the Triple III..everything but the color
of your underwear, you wore from last Tuesday shows up on it...
& I know with the speed of technology today...the color of your underwear from last Tuesday will show up
on it sooner or later ...even if you go commando....
Somewhere..down the line there's failure ....

Even if we had a better system in place it won't be 100% full proof and this is how the legislators are presenting it. What is going to stop a person that wishes to commit acts such as this from buying arms on the "black market" or just plain stealing them?

[Boomchild]

They got a mug shot of the dude that did the shooting. Homie's looking like a milkdud.

The media is also reporting that people that knew him said he was a Obama supporter. Looks like their not going to be able to beat the drums about it being some radical conservative.