Who Made Steve Perry Not Feel A Part Of Journey?

[FinnFreak]

Steve Perry himself.

Nobody else.


John -

[Monker]

This is partially true, partially not true, and partially assumed to be true.

The fact is that just because a label is presented an album does not mean they have to release it. What Allen Craft posted several times is Journey had to 'convince' Sony that Journey without Perry was still sellable before they would release an album. This is why they went on, not one, but two tours, before Arrival was released. Sony bought into the band and an album enough to release it...it's a fact, not a skewed opinion.

The "3 album deal" is a rumor that is assumed fact...I don't know if it's really true or not. But, I doubt very much Sony would agree to a "split deal" and include a Perry album, when the assumed contract was for two more Journey albums.

True, Arrival did not receive a lot of support from Sony...but, TBF did not receive any support from Journey. All's fair in war and album releases, I guess. Kevin Shirley posted that he felt Arrival had a ton of potential but Sony only did what they 'had' to do and nothing more. He was also very disappointed.

True, the Perry era releases did not help Arrival or the Vegas DVD. But, that was not my argument. My argument was that Sony believed in a Perryless Journey enough to release Arrival...they did. It's a fact. BTW, the Vegas DVD did well on its own, it even went platinum.

It is completely your opinion about the interest of a Journey album with Gregg and Chalfant...the facts do not back you up though. There was plenty of hype and interest following the Herbie roast. Perry was even questioned about it in some of his interviews for FTLOSM. I am not arguing that a Rolie/Chalfant Journey album would have been as big as a a Perry reunion. But, LONG TERM, it had a MUCH better chance of being more stable. I had always believed that. I've been arging that on forums like this since 1993 or so.

Monker has followed the band from the beginning, I think…could be called an historian. But no one is immune to bias, muddling “the facts” to booster his arguments. He says Sony thought enough of a “perryless” Journey to bankroll and release Arrival. My understanding of that part of history (just from reading all the fan forums starting when I took special interest in the band in 2005) was that the parties had entered into a negotiated “reunion” contract whereby Journey would give Sony 3 new albums in spread-out years. There was a lot of upfront money involved.

TBF was to be the big Reunion album and contractually obligated for 2 more. SP and fellow Bandmembers had their big blowup – can’t work together anymore. What’re they gonna do?! The solution worked out was for Journey and SP to split the “2nd” album – which turned out to be Journey GH Live & SP GH + 5Unreleased (both came out in 1998). With SA, Journey made and recorded the “3rd” – Arrival (released in 2001).

To the consternation of long-time Journey loyalists (I followed all this drama in retrospective online bantering, for which there were quite a bit of heated battles during the SA years, much more so than today!), Sony did not put much effort into publicizing the release of Arrival --little, if any, fanfare. Neal complained about Napster leak…people able to get free downloads without having to buy the record. And, it was Journey management and Bandmembers who did all the promotions…secured an HBO live airing of a concert in L.V. Also, a CBS Morning special.

To make matters worse, Sony acted counter-intuitive by packaging and releasing (old) SP-related material right on top of the (new) SA-stuff. Journey Essentials (2-cd set) in 2002 … knocked Arrival right out of the water…sold more copies by a 3-to-1 ratio. Journey GH 1978-1996 dvd against Arrival dvd (GH dvd didn’t come out until 2005)…but, again, no contest. Old Journey proves it is more popular than New Journey time and time again. Sony dropped the band after both parties fulfilled the “contractually obligated” release of Arrival.

Look, everybody has an opinion and is entitled to express it. But to say Journey coulda- shoulda gone with the Herbie/Gregg/KC lineup, ignored SP, and woulda been fine is plain illogical. Say what you will about the “degradation” of SP’s voice from ’86 on, the fact of the matter is it was his singing on all those songs on the radio. Nobody – not Sony, not the music-buying public – would have been interested in a Journey “reunion” without The Man himself. Now, that is a “fact” and I’m sticking to it….

[Eric]

This is why they went on, not one, but two tours, before Arrival was released.

I thought they announced a record deal at the end of the first leg of the Vacations Over tour in December of '98?

[slucero]

Chalfant has about as much a chance of joining the band now as Perry does of rejoining it...


and what you need to get over is your "Perry obsession"...


...ever wonder why even Lora doesn't defend you?...

NO!!! Now, that's FUNNY! As if I need defense......

...."ever wonder why" I just post and go.........

And what do I need to get over ..... Please get some sense and intuition and comprehension.....

Is this a board or what....of what.....

Any more comments......

sense... as if anything you post has one iota of it.
intuition... which you lack.
comprehension.... re-read your posts. Most of what you post is so fucked up grammatically, it's unreadable.

*yawn*


You've been owned so much, and on such a recurring basis, it's time we ask Andrew to change your name to "KornHOLE".... or simply bann you for being stupid.

you are now on virtual "ignore"....

[Kor'n]

Chalfant has about as much a chance of joining the band now as Perry does of rejoining it...

and what you need to get over is your "Perry obsession"...

...ever wonder why even Lora doesn't defend you?...

NO!!! Now, that's FUNNY! As if I need defense......

...."ever wonder why" I just post and go.........

And what do I need to get over ..... Please get some sense and intuition and comprehension.....

Is this a board or what....of what.....

Any more comments......

sense... as if anything you post has one iota of it.

Makes plenty sense to me so why don't you point out otherwise...

intuition... which you lack.

"which you lack."

comprehension.... re-read your posts. Most of what you post is so fucked up grammatically, it's unreadable.

I did, so be sure to point it out to me so I may correct it or correct you....

Guess you like those three words, huh......

*yawn*

Now that's real deep!

You've been owned so much, and on such a recurring basis, it's time we ask Andrew to change your name to "KornHOLE".... or simply bann you for being stupid.

So why bother asking such to be done to the "owned so much, and on such a recurring basis" person, .... but life goes "on and on" .....

you are now on virtual "ignore"....

So. Should I shed tears or something...

In other words, if you CANNOT respond to what I've posted on the SUBJECT, do NOT bother coming back with swearing or sayings that, (a little intuition would tell you), do NOT faze me a bit, and pass that on to TNC.

Any more comments....

[Kor'n]

"Wow" Is that all the charging through the board shooting everyone down TNC has to say......Guess comprehension is a little slow, as usual......

Is this a board or what...of what....

Take your own advice!

Any more comments......

You are so full of shit Korn that it has become painful to read your posts.

Hate to spoil your reading, but guess it would be "painful" after you proclamation.

'They're getting bigger and bigger.' 2012

"You are so full of [it Eric] that it has become painful to read your posts."

And I'm beyond tired of hearing Eclipse was a flop. It debuted at #13 and sold over 100k. For this band in this day and age that is nothing to sneeze at - especially considering they made a great album the way they wanted.

Sorry, but it did flop and those numbers, I guess, are good for Journey, but they just came off 700k rerecorded karaoke of GH and a blazing "DSB" so they thought they were on their way................ For whatever good it may have done them, debuting at #13 with 21k and selling 70k (+30k where?) just will NEVER be the talk of the decade. Walmart cheered them AWAY, and of course, Sony would NEVER "touch them with a 10 foot pole." I believe you may rest assured that no one including the band itself will "sneeze at" Eclipse and those dismal numbers for the Perryless Journey.

You may always go out to YouTube, as you have done in the past, and drag in something the band did with Steve Perry (Midnight Special?) in hopes that the current lineup will try to "rehash," since nothing current they are doing seems to catch.

Bon Jovi debuted with over 100k, and David Bowie around 90k+, but UCR did not think much of those numbers. Both of those may have sold well over 200k by now....

[The_Noble_Cause]

Bon Jovi debuted with over 100k, and David Bowie around 90k+, ....

Bon Jovi didn't disappear from the musical landscape for 10-12 years. And Bon Jovi has been struggling to stay relevant for awhile. Duets, country crossovers..you name it. And Bowie is a legend. No comparison.

In other words, if you CANNOT respond to what I've posted on the SUBJECT, do NOT bother coming back with swearing or sayings that, (a little intuition would tell you), do NOT faze me a bit, and pass that on to TNC.

You have been soundly defeated factually multiple times now. The ad hominem attacks are simply funny. Like all braindead cultists, the only thing you have is your infallible faith in your supreme leader. In this case, Perry, tho it may as well be David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite, or Jim Jones. Facts and truth are not allowed to enter into your belief system, because if they do, the whole house of cards collapses.

[Monker]

Are we done.....

You are just talking in circles now.

All of your arguments are based on one flawed argument...

If Steve Perry had stayed in Journey it would have sold better then what they did with Auger/JSS/Arnel.

For this to be plausible, you have to ignore one huge fact. Steve Perry has not recorded ANYTHING of merit, or toured at all, since he left Journey.

As I said back in the Augeri years, repeatedly: Journey with Steve Perry is no Journey at all.

We have had, without Perry:

"Remember Me" (on a #1 soundtrack album, BTW)
Arrival
2001 Live (a platinum DVD)
Red 13
Generation
Revelation
The "Live in Manilla" DVD
Eclipse

What has Perry done?

"I Stand Alone" for a Disney wanna be movie
Background vocals and producing, or whatever, for other bands.
And, he also lives off the legacy by helping remaster the catalog and giving his input for the compilations.

He produced no where near the amount of new music that Journey has...and there is NO reason to suspect he would have done anything with Journey had they waited, and waited, and waited. It was ROR all over again...the band moved on, which they should have done after ROR.

[Kor'n]

Bon Jovi debuted with over 100k, and David Bowie around 90k+, ....

Bon Jovi didn't disappear from the musical landscape for 10-12 years. And Bon Jovi has been struggling to stay relevant for awhile. Duets, country crossovers..you name it. And Bowie is a legend. No comparison.

But Perry Journey disappeared and came back with a grammy nominated hit song and platinum album..... Bon Jovi is always relevant, for he does not have to tour in packages making peanuts, and karaoke is not in his repertoire. His tour grossed over 250m.... Seems you missed the point though which is that 100k #1 debut is not considered that good, yet Eric thinks 21k #13 is......

The band rerecorded the GH "note for note", constantly peddled that sob YT story, was on Oprah, CBS, and Today Show so why didn't all of that parlay over to that flop Eclipse....."got the magic back...."

In other words, if you CANNOT respond to what I've posted on the SUBJECT, do NOT bother coming back with swearing or sayings that, (a little intuition would tell you), do NOT faze me a bit, and pass that on to TNC.

You have been soundly defeated factually multiple times now. The ad hominem attacks are simply funny.

Oh sure, is that why you keep coming back with senseless rhetoric instead of addressing my post on p2....

Like all braindead cultists, the only thing you have is your infallible faith in your supreme leader. In this case, Perry, tho it may as well be David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite, or Jim Jones.

Oh Gee! Looks like Shakespeare is in the house or trying to be..... Would that be like "your infallible faith in your supreme leader," Herbie, that the band kicked out so easily........no more charging through the board defending his honor...huh... Now tell us about your leader, Herbie, and all that radio play he got for the band...

Facts and truth are not allowed to enter into your belief system, because if they do, the whole house of cards collapses.

Seems your "sayings" there are indicative of your not "playing with a full deck," so guess your "house of cards" has already "collaps[ed]."

Echo.....

In other words, if you CANNOT respond to what I've posted on the SUBJECT, do NOT bother coming back with swearing or sayings that, (a little intuition would tell you), do NOT faze me a bit.

Any comments on the SUBJECT.....

[The_Noble_Cause]

But Perry Journey disappeared and came back with a grammy nominated hit song and platinum album.....

So? Perry is no longer in Journey. The fact that the reformed lineup recently had two consecutive #1 albums w/out their most recognizable member is an achievement. Two dvds w/out Perry that went gold is also nothing to scoff at.

The band rerecorded the GH "note for note", constantly peddled that sob YT story, was on Oprah, CBS, and Today Show so why didn't all of that parlay over to that flop Eclipse....."got the magic back...."

I don’t know. Who cares? Why didn’t Arrival, Red 13, or Generations sell like gangbusters? You seem pretty late to the party, pal.

Oh sure, is that why you keep coming back with senseless rhetoric instead of addressing my post on p2....

I assure you, if I didn't directly address one of your specific posts, it’s because it was too damn long. NOBODY views you as some gigantic intellectual threat. You are a fucking joke. Your posts are historically inaccurate and basically illiterate. You come off as the very type of obsessed groupie that motivated Perry to shun the spotlight in the first place.

Oh Gee! Looks like Shakespeare is in the house or trying to be..... Would that be like "your infallible faith in your supreme leader," Herbie, that the band kicked out so easily........no more charging through the board defending his honor...huh... Now tell us about your leader, Herbie, and all that radio play he got for the band.

I’m not trolling on a Steve Perry message forum telling Perry fans that Herbie is great. YOU, however, are on a Journey forum telling fans (many who don’t even like the current lineup) how great Perry was. That would be an equal comparison. Of course, this is right over your slanted head.

Seems your "sayings" there are indicative of your not "playing with a full deck," so guess your "house of cards" has already "collaps[ed]." Echo.....

Hooked on phonics worked for me! Deet deet dee!

[Kor'n]

But Perry Journey disappeared and came back with a grammy nominated hit song and platinum album.....

So? Perry is no longer in Journey. The fact that the reformed lineup recently had two consecutive #1 albums w/out their most recognizable member is an achievement. Two dvds w/out Perry that went gold is also nothing to scoff at.

Now, if referring to Journey, most of that statement would be called "inaccurate and basically Illiterate," for your "Hooked on Phonics" must be talking there.

The band rerecorded the GH "note for note", constantly peddled that sob YT story, was on Oprah, CBS, and Today Show so why didn't all of that parlay over to that flop Eclipse....."got the magic back...."

I don’t know. Who cares? Why didn’t Arrival, Red 13, or Generations sell like gangbusters? You seem pretty late to the party, pal.

You asked for it and got it......, but as usual you "eclipse[d]" your sayings...

Oh sure, is that why you keep coming back with senseless rhetoric instead of addressing my post on p2....

I assure you, if I didn't directly address one of your specific posts, it’s because it was too damn long. NOBODY views you as some gigantic intellectual threat. You are a fucking joke. Your posts are historically inaccurate and basically illiterate. You come off as the very type of obsessed groupie that motivated Perry to shun the spotlight in the first place.

"I assure you," that "NOBODY" could possibly "view you as" an "intellectual" anything. You will stick to what you are used to - charging, swearing, naming calling without an ounce of intuition or forethought.....Things that won't tax you mentally. Too bad your barks are not as ferocious as you think..... You responded till Herbie's role and dismissal got difficult to address....Just seems only one way to look at that heartless yelling of Cain's - "Herbie you got to let us go."...

Now tell us about all that radio play that Herbie worked up, and where Greatest Hits 2 will debut since you are not "historically inaccurate and basically illiterate."

Oh Gee! Looks like Shakespeare is in the house or trying to be..... Would that be like "your infallible faith in your supreme leader," Herbie, that the band kicked out so easily........no more charging through the board defending his honor...huh... Now tell us about your leader, Herbie, and all that radio play he got for the band.

I’m not trolling on a Steve Perry message forum telling Perry fans that Herbie is great. YOU, however, are on a Journey forum telling fans (many who don’t even like the current lineup) how great Perry was. That would be an equal comparison. Of course, this is right over your slanted head.

Your perception of equality is "for you eyes only." Not that I care what you are doing, but you are a charging troll. Who died an appointed you "Chairman of the Board."....., but then again you have ALWAYS charged through as though you were the authority on EVERYTHING..... no rattling my way........ Don't see going into s/one else's house trying to throw out s/one, but "of course," nothing rational goes near your "head"....

Seems your "sayings" there are indicative of your not "playing with a full deck," so guess your "house of cards" has already "collaps[ed]." Echo.....

Hooked on phonics worked for me! Deet deet dee!

Not too well though...

[Eric]

'They're getting bigger and bigger.' 2012

"You are so full of [it Eric] that it has become painful to read your posts."

In hindsight, while 2011 wasn't as big as 2008, this band had continued to grow since it re-booted in 1998. I saw them in front of 1,600 in Syracuse in October of '98 and by 2008 they sold out the NYS Fair (16k+) in Syracuse in advance. 2009 - they drew 10kish alone at Darien Lake in the rain. If you think WITH Perry they could do a whole lot better in this day and age you're nuts. Especially because WITH Perry = NOT being active anyway. The guy hasn't done a full tour in 31 years. Reagan was in his first term the last time the guy completed a full tour. It's become laughable to listen to his loons.

I'm not a huge fan of what Journey has done since recording Eclipse and getting back from overseas. Since June 2011 they have definitely gone down, although the show with Rascal Flatts on CMT was nice as far as I'm concerned. The 2011 US tour did very well, but it wasn't their best performances and they barely played much Eclipse. 2012 was much better performance wise, but NO Eclipse. I don't even understand what last year was...and I'm unhappy they are touring this year without a new album. I'm hopeful the revamping will be cool and I'm sure the tour will do top 20-30 billboard numbers.

I've maintained since the mid 90's that I would only support a band that kept creating. They need some new music. BUT, this last 15 years is so much better than the Perry alternative.

[Monker]

But Perry Journey disappeared and came back with a grammy nominated hit song and platinum album.....

So? Perry is no longer in Journey. The fact that the reformed lineup recently had two consecutive #1 albums w/out their most recognizable member is an achievement. Two dvds w/out Perry that went gold is also nothing to scoff at.

Now, if referring to Journey, most of that statement would be called "inaccurate and basically Illiterate," for your "Hooked on Phonics" must be talking there.

Wow, you actually got something right. He is inaccurate. The 2001 DVD went platinum, not gold.

[Monker]

'They're getting bigger and bigger.' 2012

"You are so full of [it Eric] that it has become painful to read your posts."

In hindsight, while 2011 wasn't as big as 2008, this band had continued to grow since it re-booted in 1998. I saw them in front of 1,600 in Syracuse in October of '98 and by 2008 they sold out the NYS Fair (16k+) in Syracuse in advance. 2009 - they drew 10kish alone at Darien Lake in the rain. If you think WITH Perry they could do a whole lot better in this day and age you're nuts. Especially because WITH Perry = NOT being active anyway. The guy hasn't done a full tour in 31 years. Reagan was in his first term the last time the guy completed a full tour. It's become laughable to listen to his loons.

I'm not a huge fan of what Journey has done since recording Eclipse and getting back from overseas. Since June 2011 they have definitely gone down, although the show with Rascal Flatts on CMT was nice as far as I'm concerned. The 2011 US tour did very well, but it wasn't their best performances and they barely played much Eclipse. 2012 was much better performance wise, but NO Eclipse. I don't even understand what last year was...and I'm unhappy they are touring this year without a new album. I'm hopeful the revamping will be cool and I'm sure the tour will do top 20-30 billboard numbers.

I've maintained since the mid 90's that I would only support a band that kept creating. They need some new music. BUT, this last 15 years is so much better than the Perry alternative.

I disagree with that. If this band is continuing to grow, what direction are they growing in? Are they growing in the legacy sound, or are they moving away from it? I think they are confused, fractured, and frozen creatively...and I doubt they will ever record another album.

BTW, they have always sold out, or very nearly sold out, the Iowa state fair...which is > 10k seats. On the tour with Heart, they added extra seating because it sold out so quickly. During the Red 13 tour (DeTour?) it was nearly sold out ON THEIR OWN...the only seats left were "obscured view", meaning sitting right behind giant pillars. They are big here, always have been...doesn't matter who is singing.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Red 13 was Under the Radar tour. Detour had no new tunes, alot of rarities tho (Deen singing Happy to Give & Suzanne kicked ass!)

[annie89509]

....hmmm...something about K'n's posting style ... reminds me of Gideon/StrangeMedicine. It's brilliant! The alto-ego ... made 180degree turn.....lol

Thanks, Marabelle.... always enjoyed your contributions on this board and BackTalk going back to the SA tenure. You defended against perrybashings but never looked down upon as a loon. Back then, as a perryfan, I was too scared to post ...

[slucero]

....hmmm...something about K'n's posting style ... reminds me of Gideon/StrangeMedicine. It's brilliant! The alto-ego ... made 180degree turn.....lol

Thanks, Marabelle.... always enjoyed your contributions on this board and BackTalk going back to the SA tenure. You defended against perrybashings but never looked down upon as a loon. Back then, as a perryfan, I was too scared to post ...

No way... Gideon has a good command of English and grammar...

[Eric]

I disagree with that. If this band is continuing to grow, what direction are they growing in? Are they growing in the legacy sound, or are they moving away from it? I think they are confused, fractured, and frozen creatively...and I doubt they will ever record another album.

BTW, they have always sold out, or very nearly sold out, the Iowa state fair...which is > 10k seats. On the tour with Heart, they added extra seating because it sold out so quickly. During the Red 13 tour (DeTour?) it was nearly sold out ON THEIR OWN...the only seats left were "obscured view", meaning sitting right behind giant pillars. They are big here, always have been...doesn't matter who is singing.

What I was trying to say is that up until 2011 I felt they were growing and getting bigger. I said this in 2012 but really any growth stopped after they did the International portion of the 2011 Eclipse Tour. You're also absolutely right that the past 3 years they seem confused, fractured and frozen. Perfectly put. And its very frustrating when your favorite band is like that. It feels a helluva lot like the summer of 2007 right now. Maybe they'll surprise with an album of great material and play it like they did in '08/'09 - but I fear you may be right they are too frozen. I haven't even bought tix to the show in June here yet. I'll go...but it may be a car full of my wife's female drunk friends and lawn rather than forking out big bucks to sit close and really absorb, I guess I'd like to see what the revamping brings. I really wish Neal would take this thing by the collar again.

You're also right that regionally my observations may or may not be on target. I don't think they are as big in Upstate NY as some other regions but from 98-09 the attendance consistently grew here. It did fall in 2012.

[annie89509]

....hmmm...something about K'n's posting style ... reminds me of Gideon/StrangeMedicine. It's brilliant! The alto-ego ... made 180degree turn.....lol

Thanks, Marabelle.... always enjoyed your contributions on this board and BackTalk going back to the SA tenure. You defended against perrybashings but never looked down upon as a loon. Back then, as a perryfan, I was too scared to post ...

No way... Gideon has a good command of English and grammar...

It’s all internet hyperbole … anonymous posters take on a persona … I follow K’n’s point of view just fine. Anyone who can pull together band facts, stories, quotes… laying it out, engaged in debate, shouldn’t have their intelligence underestimated. This is not the Great Debate Society … you don’t have to use perfect English and grammar to get your point across here….lol.

Giddy lived for debate …same grating, argumentative style. He relished getting under people’s skin … to the point of using the opposing poster’s words and throwing it back. So, where is that guy, anyway????

[The_Noble_Cause]

Anyone who can pull together band facts, stories, quotes… laying it out, engaged in debate, shouldn’t have their intelligence underestimated.

Randomly inserting out of context quotes is NOT good writing. It's what stoned college kids do to hit an essay page limit. I'm all for debate, but Korn's posts are unreadable trash. Plus, he or she is clearly an asshole.

[Gideon]

I knew my ears were burning for a reason.

Now if only someone could explain to my why my crotch is experiencing the same sensation!

[Deb]

I knew my ears were burning for a reason.

Now if only someone could explain to my why my crotch is experiencing the same sensation!

Must be from all the trouble you're getting into on Black List. Oh wait.....you're not actually James Spader are you?!

[slucero]

I knew my ears were burning for a reason.

Now if only someone could explain to my why my crotch is experiencing the same sensation!

Calamine lotion.

[Kor'n]

....hmmm...something about K'n's posting style ... reminds me of Gideon/StrangeMedicine. It's brilliant! The alto-ego ... made 180degree turn.....lol

Thanks, Marabelle.... always enjoyed your contributions on this board and BackTalk going back to the SA tenure. You defended against perrybashings but never looked down upon as a loon. Back then, as a perryfan, I was too scared to post ...

No way... Gideon has a good command of English and grammar...

It’s all internet hyperbole … anonymous posters take on a persona … I follow K’n’s point of view just fine. Anyone who can pull together band facts, stories, quotes… laying it out, engaged in debate, shouldn’t have their intelligence underestimated. This is not the Great Debate Society … you don’t have to use perfect English and grammar to get your point across here….lol.

Giddy lived for debate …same grating, argumentative style. He relished getting under people’s skin … to the point of using the opposing poster’s words and throwing it back. So, where is that guy, anyway????

Don't worry . My English and grammar are perfect, and I used that as well as quoting back ones' quotes to really get my points across (aiming at a specific point), along with a few other tidbits. Slucero nor TNC may point out anything to substantiate their claims. All they do is "randomly" rattle with swearing or name calling, etc. with no specifics. Slucero is just upset with my telling him of his lacking in sense, intuition and comprehension. He needs to stick to the subject at hand, and stop responding with silliness to the effect of "obsession" and "..ever wonder why Lora don't defend you...." I come here to post and go, not to "put down roots."

Gideon's "good command of English and grammar" as he thought, and slucero not knowing the difference, was his TNC snydrome of swearing and name calling, but please do not confuse the like with me, for I never engage/d (If that confuses the two slow ones, I mean engage/engaged w/o (without) repeating it 2xs or twice ) in such. That's what you do, (TNC syndrome) when you do not have command of it. My factual points are made VERY WELL without that, and the two English/grammatical technicians, supposedly, (in their blind eyes only) "CAN'T touch that." And, It did not take much to zip up Gideon, or "give him a taste of his own medicine" w/o (without) employing the TNC syndrome.

:comprehension.... re-read your posts. Most of what you post is so fucked up grammatically, it's unreadable.

I did, so be sure to point it out to me so I may correct it or correct you....

Still waiting......

Tell Eric and Monker, responses are coming ....

Forgive my lumping all in your post, but "time is of the essence."

[The_Noble_Cause]

Still waiting......

How about the jumbled nonsense you just posted above? At this point, you are either engaging in some type of Andy Kaufman-esque performance art, or truly deep in denial. Your posts are neither readable or substantive.

[FamilyMan]

Sorry, but in the FTLOSM days, no Rollie/Chalfant line-up was going to satisfy the fans. With Perry out there singing and touring, the "reunion" was inevitable -- whether Sony was behind it or not.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Sorry, but in the FTLOSM days, no Rollie/Chalfant line-up was going to satisfy the fans. With Perry out there singing and touring, the "reunion" was inevitable -- whether Sony was behind it or not.

Disagree. FTLOSM was one Perry album in the span of TEN Journeyless years. The band should have stuck to their guns and claimed "creative differences", and said that Perry didn't want to come back. All of which is true.

[Kor'n]

Still waiting......

How about the jumbled nonsense you just posted above? At this point, you are either engaging in some type of Andy Kaufman-esque performance art, or truly deep in denial. Your posts are neither readable or substantive.

Still waiting........

Nothing is "jumbled," but "nonsense" would be your typical two-liners that reach your limited capabilities, just your usual crap because of your not knowing anything else. "At this point [nor any other point] you are [not] engaging" in anything "substantive" and your two-liners are quite "readable." Now, still waiting..... and don't forget to keep up with your typical TNC syndrome.......quite befitting for your intellectual limits......

And following is the other two-liner with NOTHING "substantive"......but the TNC syndrome is in effect......

Randomly inserting out of context quotes is NOT good writing. It's what stoned college kids do to hit an essay page limit. I'm all for debate, but Korn's posts are unreadable trash. Plus, he or she is clearly an asshole.

:comprehension.... re-read your posts. Most of what you post is so fucked up grammatically, it's unreadable.

I did, so be sure to point it out to me so I may correct it or correct you....

Still waiting on the two grammatical technicians (in their blind eyes only) to post SOMETHING substantive and specific......

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hey, look ma, I can write like K'orn too! I urge all MR posters to contribute their own impressions of this stubby limbed retard.

Yes, you "walk the talk" but he/she it is fool's merriment. Rolie has obviously nothing to do better than shout sour grapes at Steve Perry, who made [the ROCK that will not be Fractured]. As you said yourself "Perry is a vocal idol" (2012 MR.com)....that is why Neal now rejoining Santana....he knows the Eclipse train has derailed off the "highway run." Audiences want real thing not karaoke wannabe. From CBS to Ellen to PBS to now sharing a triple bill. Just like the days when Herbie could not sell, but that is why "legend cannot fly." After TBF won a Grammy, Cain said it was “too soon” to move on, but not if it is “too soon” to be dumped by Walmart. Huh? The truth is, he “with the GOLDEN rule” rules. Still waiting for your reply....They said it themselves, Neal did have OPEN ARMS to anyone. But Perry. How early we forget (2006, 2008). I guess ["Lady Lucky"] rolled the parsnip indeed.

[Monker]

Sorry, but in the FTLOSM days, no Rollie/Chalfant line-up was going to satisfy the fans. With Perry out there singing and touring, the "reunion" was inevitable -- whether Sony was behind it or not.

I disagree...there was a buzz coming off of the first Storm album and then the Herbie roast. You can not say with such certainty how fans would have rallied around that Journey line up.

What I CAN say is that it was not 'inevitable'. Perry was going about in interviews at that time saying he wanted his time to be solo...the other guys had their time, and this was his time. Even after, there were interviews with the FTLOSM touring band who said Perry told them he was going to reform "after he got this Journey thing out of the way..." As K'orn would say, "still waiting."

So, it was very much NOT inevitable...Sony pushed the band together with $'s.