Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

[The_Noble_Cause]

Ang Lee's Hulk was abysmal. No debate there. He even said it almost toasted his career. For a director to admit that...at least he owned it.

I'd call it an ambitious failure. Lee and screenwriters jam-packed it without so much Oedpial subtext bullshit that it forgot how to lighten up and smash stuff. I own it. I've watched it several times. Sometimes eccentric cinematic failures hold up to repeated viewings more-so than hit films.

Star Trek Into Darkness ($467.4M worldwide) earned a bit more than Star Trek (385.6M worldwide) globally but grossed $29M less domestically. Still, Star Trek 3 is slated for 2016. They're optimistic. They need to avoid pastiches and not recycle story elements we're overly familiar with.

Great example. And yea, I have doubts whether we will see a ST3. I know Orci is allegedly directing, but the sequel (which I enjoyed) didn't set the world on fire. After the hype of the first film, it almost seems like Trek is mired in the pop cultural rut of the UPN Voyager days.

It's not like we're talking about Dredd. Great movie, Urban & Thirlby rocked, it was a faithful adaptation, it had a smallish (low-risk) budget — and yet it tanked. Hard. I still hope they make another one.

I read that Dredd was profitable on DVD. Doubt a sequel will happen tho...

[verslibre]

Ang Lee's Hulk was abysmal. No debate there. He even said it almost toasted his career. For a director to admit that...at least he owned it.

I'd call it an ambitious failure. Lee and screenwriters jam-packed it without so much Oedpial subtext bullshit that it forgot how to lighten up and smash stuff. I own it. I've watched it several times. Sometimes eccentric cinematic failures hold up to repeated viewings more-so than hit films.

There was nothing ambitious about the climactic final battle which consisted of still images panned right and left. Biggest hero battle fail ever. And it also took place at night.

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Star Trek Into Darkness ($467.4M worldwide) earned a bit more than Star Trek (385.6M worldwide) globally but grossed $29M less domestically. Still, Star Trek 3 is slated for 2016. They're optimistic. They need to avoid pastiches and not recycle story elements we're overly familiar with.

Great example. And yea, I have doubts whether we will see a ST3. I know Orci is allegedly directing, but the sequel (which I enjoyed) didn't set the world on fire. After the hype of the first film, it almost seems like Trek is mired in the pop cultural rut of the UPN Voyager days.

STID cost 190M to make (plus promotion) and its opening weekend was 83M. It took about a month to hit 200M. Not exactly a runaway smash. It took the rest of the summer here to hit its 229M. They think the third time may be the charm.

BY comparison, Godzilla's kicked its ass. 189M domestic/397M worldwide in one month, and it hasn't opened in Asia yet.

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It's not like we're talking about Dredd. Great movie, Urban & Thirlby rocked, it was a faithful adaptation, it had a smallish (low-risk) budget — and yet it tanked. Hard. I still hope they make another one.

I read that Dredd was profitable on DVD. Doubt a sequel will happen tho...

Dredd topped out at 35M. It hasn't turned any kind of profit. The movie was promoted poorly. The trailer was scarce until a week before release. Most people probably thought "Might be cool. I'll check it out on DVD."

[verslibre]

Avengers:

The trailer is garbage. There is an art and language to movie trailers, and when three or more trailers are released for the same movie with the same scenes and clips it translates into English as “I really hope people go see this movie.. “ Here are all the clips from the Avengers trailer: 1) up-close shots of each actor’s face in slow motion to make viewers say; “..OH DAMN, that is like… THOR?! Who’s that?! Charlie Brown!! Er I mean, Captain America!!! HOLY SH^%!!” 2) bunch of explosions in the same two blocks of city in the day 3) Robert Downey Jr. making quirky remarks. Oh, and robots because when you can’t write dialogue just make most of the enemies robots who can’t talk, thanks Marvel. And do they really need Hawkeye and Black Widow when you have Thor and the Hulk already on the team? They ditched Hawkeye’s mask, which I always thought was very cool. Marvel hates masks in their movies. - I’m bitter because I love Marvel, and that is why I hate them; the same reason why we hate George Lucas for destroying what we loved. Ah, the creator is now the destroyer. The train wreck is coming, I hope it can be avoided but Nerd Caliber doesn’t pay me all these cases of money to be wrong. I’ll be camped in line for the Dark Knight Rises. In Nolan I trust.

They completely spoiled Hulk's rescue of Iron Man after he falls out of the sky. That was a huge fuck-up.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Dredd topped out at 35M. It hasn't turned any kind of profit.

That's theatrical gross. Since then, Urban and the director mentioned that it performed very well on DVD. I could easily see a on-demand or straight-to-dvd sequel. The previews were awful for Dredd. Looked like a sci-fi movies of the week.

[The_Noble_Cause]

There was nothing ambitious about the climactic final battle which consisted of still images panned right and left. Biggest hero battle fail ever. And it also took place at night.

Dark and blurry, with Nick Nolte mutating into electricity man or something. Yep, it's a mess. But the final confrontation between Nolte and Bana, in their un-mutated human forms, is a barn-burner of a scene.

[verslibre]

Dredd topped out at 35M. It hasn't turned any kind of profit.

That's theatrical gross. Since then, Urban and the director mentioned that it performed very well on DVD. I could easily see a on-demand or straight-to-dvd sequel. The previews were awful for Dredd. Looked like a sci-fi movies of the week.

Even factoring in DVD sales I'd be hard-pressed to think it really turned any kind of major profit beyond a hundred-n-fifty bucks. Urban will do another movie in a heartbeat (and they want it to be a trilogy, with the Dark Judges in the third film), but they're not getting any traction. Again, it sucks.

There was nothing ambitious about the climactic final battle which consisted of still images panned right and left. Biggest hero battle fail ever. And it also took place at night.

Dark and blurry, with Nick Nolte mutating into electricity man or something. Yep, it's a mess. But the final confrontation between Nolte and Bana, in their un-mutated human forms, is a barn-burner of a scene.

Nothing against those guys as actors (they don't need defending, especially Nolte), but I wasn't impressed.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Dredd topped out at 35M. It hasn't turned any kind of profit.

That's theatrical gross. Since then, Urban and the director mentioned that it performed very well on DVD. I could easily see a on-demand or straight-to-dvd sequel. The previews were awful for Dredd. Looked like a sci-fi movies of the week.

Even factoring in DVD sales I'd be hard-pressed to think it really turned any kind of major profit beyond a hundred-n-fifty bucks. Urban will do another movie in a heartbeat (and they want it to be a trilogy, with the Dark Judges in the third film), but they're not getting any traction. Again, it sucks.

There was nothing ambitious about the climactic final battle which consisted of still images panned right and left. Biggest hero battle fail ever. And it also took place at night.

Dark and blurry, with Nick Nolte mutating into electricity man or something. Yep, it's a mess. But the final confrontation between Nolte and Bana, in their un-mutated human forms, is a barn-burner of a scene.

Nothing against those guys as actors (they don't need defending, especially Nolte), but I wasn't impressed.

I read that Dredd made a few million on DVD. Many films recoup costs on DVD. All 3 Evil Dead movies come to mind. The first Austin Powers didn't find a mass audience until home video. As for Hulk...srry u cant find a silver lining in the film. Lee is very much an art house directory and he brought an indie sensibility to the project. It doesn't work, but it has moments of artistry, and say what u will, Lee isn't phoning it in. Waaaay more interesting than something like Iron Man 3 or Thor 1 that rolled off the Marvel assembly line.

[verslibre]

I read that Dredd made a few million on DVD. Many films recoup costs on DVD. All 3 Evil Dead movies come to mind. The first Austin Powers didn't find a mass audience until home video.

Exactly. A "few" million. Not good enough. The film was a financial bomb. That's why the sequel isn't moving forward yet. They no doubt have bigger plans in mind that would require more than 50M this time.

The Evil Dead movies didn't cost much to begin with. Sam Raimi made the first one for under 400K, the second for less than 4M, and Army of Darkness for triple that. AoD made almost all its budget back in theaters, so video sales helped it along nicely.

As for Hulk...srry u cant find a silver lining in the film. Lee is very much an art house directory and he brought an indie sensibility to the project. It doesn't work, but it has moments of artistry, and say what u will, Lee isn't phoning it in. Waaaay more interesting than something like Iron Man 3 or Thor 1 that rolled off the Marvel assembly line.

Sometimes a great director makes a crummy movie. I don't like GdT's Blade 2. That Martin Campbell guy you like? Green Lantern. Ang Lee? Well, even he admits Hulk was a failure. I don't recall him going off on a rant blaming others.

Iron Man 3 was directed by Shane Black who shouldn't be anywhere near a director's chair. He got the job because he's Jon's and RDJ's buddy.

Thor's a good movie, but Captain America is a better one. And their respective sequels? No comparison. Cap2 destroyed Thor 2.

[RedWingFan]

As for Hulk...srry u cant find a silver lining in the film.

Jennifer Connelly's rack was a silver lining.

[verslibre]

As for Hulk...srry u cant find a silver lining in the film.

Jennifer Connelly's rack was a silver lining.

You can see it uncovered in other films, which renders Hulk a waste of your time if you watch it just for that.

[YoungJRNY]

Avengers:

The trailer is garbage. There is an art and language to movie trailers, and when three or more trailers are released for the same movie with the same scenes and clips it translates into English as “I really hope people go see this movie.. “ Here are all the clips from the Avengers trailer: 1) up-close shots of each actor’s face in slow motion to make viewers say; “..OH DAMN, that is like… THOR?! Who’s that?! Charlie Brown!! Er I mean, Captain America!!! HOLY SH^%!!” 2) bunch of explosions in the same two blocks of city in the day 3) Robert Downey Jr. making quirky remarks. Oh, and robots because when you can’t write dialogue just make most of the enemies robots who can’t talk, thanks Marvel. And do they really need Hawkeye and Black Widow when you have Thor and the Hulk already on the team? They ditched Hawkeye’s mask, which I always thought was very cool. Marvel hates masks in their movies. - I’m bitter because I love Marvel, and that is why I hate them; the same reason why we hate George Lucas for destroying what we loved. Ah, the creator is now the destroyer. The train wreck is coming, I hope it can be avoided but Nerd Caliber doesn’t pay me all these cases of money to be wrong. I’ll be camped in line for the Dark Knight Rises. In Nolan I trust.

They completely spoiled Hulk's rescue of Iron Man after he falls out of the sky. That was a huge fuck-up.

Yeah, I didn't understand that choice whatsoever to include in the trailers. It was one of the jump-out scenes that was worth the price of admission alone and probably would have floored the audience since everyone knew it was coming from a mile away.

That was the one issue I had with Man of Steel's trailers. With a reboot, especially an origin story, I would have liked for Snyder to keep that first shot of Supes walking out of the Fortress as a silhouette to be seen for the first time with the audience. It was a magnificent shot and poetic for the Superman character but they ended up showing that moment in trailer #3. One thing is for sure, though: ZACK SNYDER is a VISUAL GENIUS and is the right man for the job to make the impossible happen. He's done it once with Watchmen and Justice League is going to look stunning. With Terrio and Affleck now on board, Goyer's script has that filter. This DCU is going to be insane.

[YoungJRNY]

Holy Hell. Now throw fucking Aquaman in the mix. The first talkbacker nailed it, "desperate for Avengers money".
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67661

The whole thing sounds like a mess to me. Should've went with George Miller's Justice League film. While 'Man of Steel' had interstellar and and fantasy elements, it tried to be grounded in some type of realism (kinda like Nolan's Bat films). But this? Cyborg? Aquaman? Wonder Woman? All these fruity characters throwing a big tea party? I dunno, man...

You're thinking 1990's. This isn't the 90's anymore. DC/WB is going more for the New52 versions of these characters and if there's any characters that has straight-up shot up the list of being one of the best and most BA characters to come out of the New52, it's Aquaman. Geoff John's arc on that character is the type of stuff that convinces an audience to create a new superstar and Aquaman has that type of potential to wow people. DC characters never had the chance. WB is finally giving them their time and they found their formula in tone that works for them with TDKtriogy and Man of Steel. They just needed to find their identity as a studio with superhero movies and with a great team onboard with the right writers and people overseeing this, I'm confident this DCU is going to be worth the arguments, debates and wait.

[verslibre]

That was the one issue I had with Man of Steel's trailers. With a reboot, especially an origin story, I would have liked for Snyder to keep that first shot of Supes walking out of the Fortress as a silhouette to be seen for the first time with the audience. It was a magnificent shot and poetic for the Superman character but they ended up showing that moment in trailer #3. One thing is for sure, though: ZACK SNYDER is a VISUAL GENIUS and is the right man for the job to make the impossible happen. He's done it once with Watchmen and Justice League is going to look stunning. With Terrio and Affleck now on board, Goyer's script has that filter. This DCU is going to be insane.

I never watched that trailer. I knew the last one would reveal a lot more. They showed footage of the first time Superman punches out Zod (flying through the field) on Conan, and that was plenty for me.

The Prometheus trailer showed the alien Engineer's ship exploding, which, of course, happens at the end.

[verslibre]

From a source directly associated with DC and (his buddy) Ben Affleck...

Kevin Smith Confirms DC's Rumored Movie Lineup

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/devlin712/news/?a=101977

Have a listen starting at the 1:28:34 mark.

"Everything about this list is perfect." — Kevin Smith

[YoungJRNY]

ChrisB over at Batman-News confirms the DC movie-slate:

-It looks like we can confirm this lineup:
2016: BvS
2016: Shazam
2016: Sandman
2017: Justice League
2017: Wonder Woman
2017: Green Lantern/Flash
2018: Man of Steel 2

EDIT: v beat me to it.

Looking like Lex and Metallo may be the main villains. Nothing confirmed, but more than likely.

[verslibre]

That makes three separate sources citing the schedule now.

SchmoesKnow.com reports the film will take place two years after the events of MoS.

[Monker]

Holy Hell. Now throw fucking Aquaman in the mix. The first talkbacker nailed it, "desperate for Avengers money".
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67661

The whole thing sounds like a mess to me. Should've went with George Miller's Justice League film. While 'Man of Steel' had interstellar and and fantasy elements, it tried to be grounded in some type of realism (kinda like Nolan's Bat films). But this? Cyborg? Aquaman? Wonder Woman? All these fruity characters throwing a big tea party? I dunno, man...

I have to agree...

...and, I can't wait for South Park to have a bit of fun with all this when BvS comes out.

[verslibre]

...and, I can't wait for South Park to have a bit of fun with all this when BvS comes out.

People still watch that? It got boring in the '90s. It's all about Robot Chicken, baby!

[YoungJRNY]

Mark Hughes over at Forbes is saying new contracts will be discussed for the longterm after BvS and WB wants to save some announcements for next years Comic-Con as well. This is still 2 years away so come this July, WB will break-up their movie slate in half for the next two Comic Cons. Going to be an INTERESTING WB/DC panel in San Diego!

[Rip Rokken]

And now Jason Momoa has been confirmed to be playing Aquaman in the film. Looks like they have a good chunk of Justice Leagers appearing now.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/14/ ... ice-league

Report: Jason Momoa Will Play Aquaman in Batman v Superman and Justice League

"Someone else who's not particularly happy about what happened in that film is Aquaman. I'm not sure if that's the actual name they'll use or not, but what we're hearing is that he is not pleased about the World Engine and what it did to the Indian Ocean. He will not have a major role in the film, but he will make an appearance, and it definitely sets him up to return once Snyder gets to "Justice League."

[verslibre]

I was hoping they'd use Momoa for a villain, like Lobo. Either way, if they want a "badass" Aquaman, they have one.

[verslibre]

[RedWingFan]

This is looking pretty awesome. Unfortunatley it'll also end my streak of never seeing Vin Diesel movies. Oh well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crIaEzXgqto

[RedWingFan]

Rumour has it WB is rebooting another character. I'm expecting him to be thrown in the B v. S mess!
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67690

[YoungJRNY]

[Monker]

...and, I can't wait for South Park to have a bit of fun with all this when BvS comes out.

People still watch that? It got boring in the '90s. It's all about Robot Chicken, baby!

Robot Chicken can't do anything epic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7MQt6viY3I

[verslibre]

Robot Chicken does anything/everything. Way funnier than hearing Cartman's lisp ad nauseum.

[YoungJRNY]

LOL. South Park. I remember being heavily annoyed with that show when I was what? 12 in 5th fucking grade. That shit is still going? Good lord.

[YoungJRNY]

Mercy Graves confirmed for Luthor's sidekick bodyguard. GAWD this is going to be awesome.

[YoungJRNY]

Lex:

"Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice’s interpretation of Lex Luthor is much better than it might sound from initial descriptions, describing him as “a slimy businessman we can all despise.” Our source indicated, “You are going to hate this guy. You are going to root for him to be punched by Supes when he weasels his way out of legal trouble. He is cocky and confident because he is THAT good at what he does. He's a billionaire who knows he is more powerful than the Senator and Congressman visiting because he's a billionaire.”

Bank on Mullvey being John Corben/Metallo: