Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

[The_Noble_Cause]

Ridley needs to make up for half of Prometheus before he fudges with dwarves, elves, orcs and the like!

That's a script problem. Ridley is still great at delivering epics with massive scale. You ever see the Rankin/Bass cartoon Hobbit or the Bakshi Lord of Rings unfinished cartoon?

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RWF is continuing to try and do everything in his power to convince a moot point.

Remember "Big Dog and Me, Too"? RWF is Me, Too.

I'm completely happy with Man of Steel's earnings. There can't be excuses over something I look at as a successful outing at the box office. Could Man of Steel have done better? Absolutely. Was money left off the table? Yes. Were many factors from both sides of the argument involved? You bet. Was MoS a perfect movie? Absolutely not and that's fine with me.

Anyone doesn't like it, let 'em have Returns. Then go watch the original '78 movie it recycled, since it's a zillion times better.

In many ways, Warner Bro's/Snyder/Goyer/DC,etc were dipping their toes into uncharted territory with Man of Steel. It reeked of high controversial decisions (which they knew would cause a stir) and there was no telling what the reaction was going to be. Even in the midst of criticism, WB/DC is owning it and they will continue to own it.

Yeah, that poor Zod. He got dead. He only wanted to kill Earth. Faora said it when she and Nam-ek first fought the Son of El. "For every human you save, we will kill a million more." Holy red trunks, Superman! There's one of you and a bunch of them...and they have your powers!

Grant Morrison's alternate ending was funny. He said he would have had Supes punch Zod out to Pluto until Zod weakened enough due to the lack of solar energy way over there (I guess that would affect Kal, too). Sure, then what? There''s no prison on Earth short of a Kryptonite-laced padded cell that will hold him. You can't trap him in the center of the moon. You can't kick him into the sun. How about a super-concussion that will last long to shove him into that craft he used in Returns and send him back to the asteroid field that used to be Krypton.

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That's a script problem. Ridley is still great at delivering epics with massive scale.

Rid's awesome. Prometheus just fell short with too many "wtf" moments. Yes, he's the director, not the writer, but he has a lot of say, too. The director can implement script changes if he calls for it. Also, the director is the "face" of the movie along with the studio. That's why Brett Ratner gets so much shit.

You ever see the Rankin/Bass cartoon Hobbit or the Bakshi Lord of Rings unfinished cartoon?

Aeons ago. I like Bakshi's LotR. I like his other movies, too, especially Heavy Traffic and Wizards. Met him at the San Diego Con and had him sign my Heavy Traffic DVD. Nice guy. He didn't even charge for two autographs when every pro in there was asking $40-60. But I'm not an autograph hunter except when it comes to writers and artists.

[YoungJRNYfan]

RWF is continuing to try and do everything in his power to convince a moot point.

Remember "Big Dog and Me, Too"? RWF is Me, Too.

I'm completely happy with Man of Steel's earnings. There can't be excuses over something I look at as a successful outing at the box office. Could Man of Steel have done better? Absolutely. Was money left off the table? Yes. Were many factors from both sides of the argument involved? You bet. Was MoS a perfect movie? Absolutely not and that's fine with me.

Anyone doesn't like it, let 'em have Returns. Then go watch the original '78 movie it recycled, since it's a zillion times better.

In many ways, Warner Bro's/Snyder/Goyer/DC,etc were dipping their toes into uncharted territory with Man of Steel. It reeked of high controversial decisions (which they knew would cause a stir) and there was no telling what the reaction was going to be. Even in the midst of criticism, WB/DC is owning it and they will continue to own it.

Yeah, that poor Zod. He got dead. He only wanted to kill Earth. Faora said it when she and Nam-ek first fought the Son of El. "For every human you save, we will kill a million more." Holy red trunks, Superman! There's one of you and a bunch of them...and they have your powers!

Grant Morrison's alternate ending was funny. He said he would have had Supes punch Zod out to Pluto until Zod weakened enough due to the lack of solar energy way over there (I guess that would affect Kal, too). Sure, then what? There''s no prison on Earth short of a Kryptonite-laced padded cell that will hold him. You can't trap him in the center of the moon. You can't kick him into the sun. How about a super-concussion that will last long to shove him into that craft he used in Returns and send him back to the asteroid field that used to be Krypton.

People are forgetting that this is Superman's first outing in testing his powers. He's NOT fully developed as a hero in total control of his powerset. Like Jor-EL said: "Keep..testing..your..limits." In the midst of all of the craziness, Supes was seen having trouble flying, losing control and taking his flight and the use of his speed for a test run. All of a sudden he's supposed to fly to fucking Pluto? He may be equipped to last a short period of time outside of Earth's atmosphere and over time, I'm sure that tolerance will build with experience and the more he use's his powerset but I think it's quite clear people like Grant Morrison just don't get it. In MoS, he's not SUPERMAN yet and doesn't hone the natural instincts a full grown and wise Superman would have considered.

You can't trap him in the center of the moon.

That would of been a bad idea. We've already seen the greatest moon-fight of ALL TIME. Sure wouldn't want to ruin this great piece of FINE cinema.

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Zack had Henry and Michael study this shot for DAYS in preparation for their battle.

[YoungJRNYfan]

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Bingo!

[Monker]

I went through this EXACT SAME ARGUMENT with John Carter. I don't remember who it was with...but they were touting as being the biggest hit of the summer...the predecessor and influence to Star Wars and all the Campbell type hero movies, "I have been waiting forever for this...and it's going to be BIG." THAT was the argument...the SAME stuff you all are saying about BvS.

Riddle me this: what's the difference between Superman/Batman and John Carter?

"Survey says!" The former two characters have been featured in no fewer than thirteen theatrical films since 1978 and 1989, respectively. The latter has been the subject of one movie (two if you count the Bmovie SyFy aired). The former two are also wholly ensconced in pop culture. John Carter is not. Robert E. Howard's Conan is a much more famous character than John Carter, but the Conan reboot tanked. Ask anyone on the street who Superman and Batman are. They'll know.

Yeah, the Conan reboot with Aquaman leading the way.

Bottom line is: BOTH films are WAY over-hyped on this forum. And, if they had balls and confidence that all your hype would happen, they would have moved it later into the summer, or fall....when MORE PEOPLE SEE MOVIES.

But this will be a Spring blockbuster featuring Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman.

That's interesting...last I read on this thread, Wonder Woman only had a bit part. Guess they are seeing the benefits of the T&A, huh? That's why she's there, obviously.

There's a difference. Loads of people want to see the final product. Don't believe me? Visit the Comic Book Resources and Superhero Hype forums and prepare to be overwhelmed. Register and participate and have a ball!

So what? Lots of people want to see another Firefly movie, too. See the Kickstarter from a while back. That doesn't mean it would be successful....Joss Whedon has, well, "other things" to do anyway. Lots of people said they wanted to see "Snakes On a Plane", too. Lots of people can say lots of things on the internet...but, in the end, it's not those few hundred people who buy millions of dollars worth of tickets. Those people may be all enthusiastic, you may be too, but you all combined represent a VERY small percent of the total sales.

[Monker]

Ah, replied to an older post. Oh, well.

If you want to tie it into the DC vs Mavel thing, IMO it also earned interest because it was not your stereotypical "superhero" comic to big screen movie. As I have said, many people are getting tired of it.

Are you going to say that when Avengers 2, BvS and X-Men: Age of Apocalypse suck in dollars like a black hole?

No, but I will say it when something like CA3, Aquaman, Shazaam, Ant-Man, or something else like that, not only "did not meet expectations..." but convincingly BOMBS. it's going to happen. There is a bubble forming.

I'll compare it to the Space Opera's in the 90's and early 2000's. They were EVERYWHERE...then, pretty suddenly - NOTHING. Star Trek Enterprise being canceled started it, that Stargate Universe, various attempt at BSG sequel series failed or were not even launched. There was an industry wide and audience rebelion against it. Even Farscape and BSG had an "if Star Trek did it, we don't."

That is where these Superhero movies are headed - especially the orign stories. It is the same stuff - over and over again. Maybe they will reboot "Greatest American Hero"...that would be interesting. An excellent spoof is WAY over due.

They will continue to make solo films. Team films will be used to stage larger conflicts and finales.

That's not what they are for. They are to given a huge amount of time for the balloon to build up. The solo films are to help build up that anticipation. That they time the release just right so the balloon doesn't pop so they get the maximum profit no matter how good or bad the film is. At least in Marvel's case...they are a climax to a larger story timed to earn a HUGE amount of money.

[/quote] Guardians features characters they will tie in to the Infinity Gauntlet[/quote]

They all tie into the Infinity Gauntlet, from what I've read. The Gauntlet is in Odin's vault. The Tesseract, or whatever, from the first CA movie is a stone. Loki's staff from the Avenger's movie may have had a stone. The Collector already has a stone from the end of the last Thor movie.

[/quote] but those aren't characters they'd commit to solo films.[/quote]

I can see maybe a Star Lord origin story...if the next Guardian movie is a huge hit as well.

Like I told you before, those characters are all re-tooled versions (or "reboots" if you like that term) of older characters that appeared at different times in different comics. Otherwise Groot would be eight stories tall.

So what? It's all Farscape anyway: Groot is some kinda Delvian tree.

Well, I said BOTH summer and holiday season are when most people movies.

So by your logic, 88-92% of moviegoers are going to avoid the theaters on March 26, 2016 because it doesn't fall on a major holiday? Get off it, bro.

Oh, come on. I am saying that by releasing in March their potential audience is smaller. Let's say it's just %10 smaller. Instead of a billion dollar movie, they miss it by a hundred million dollars. And, it generally shows a lack of confidence in their own product.

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Yeah, the Conan reboot with Aquaman leading the way.

Nothing-to-add-equals-sarcastic-remark. Check.

Bottom line is: BOTH films are WAY over-hyped on this forum.

No, it's three members with issues who constantly try (and so far, fail) to refute the explanations made by two members who speak favorably of the movies in question. This is just bar banter over wings and beer.

That's interesting...last I read on this thread, Wonder Woman only had a bit part. Guess they are seeing the benefits of the T&A, huh? That's why she's there, obviously.

Diana Prince will only "be" Wonder Woman at the end of the film. T&A is great. Did you complain when Joss pointed that camera eye squarely at ScarJo's ass when she was yappin' it up with an imprisoned Loki? Betcha not. Cheeks!

So what? Lots of people want to see another Firefly movie, too. See the Kickstarter from a while back.

I tried to watch Firefly. Sucked. I tried to keep myself from falling asleep during Serenity by undressing whatshername over and over, but I only caught the first and last third.

So did that Kickstarter work out? Batman and Superman don't need no Kickstarter. The guys in the boardroom listened to Nolan pitch Man of Steel and said "Cut the check!"

Joss Whedon has, well, "other things" to do anyway.

He's making real money now. HIs Han Solo knockoff is busy in another show, anyway. Star Wars is coming back, so when the real Han is around, nobody don't want no cheap polyester imitation. They want COTTON, baby!

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No, but I will say it when something like CA3, Aquaman, Shazaam, Ant-Man, or something else like that, not only "did not meet expectations..." but convincingly BOMBS. it's going to happen. There is a bubble forming.

I'll compare it to the Space Opera's in the 90's and early 2000's. They were EVERYWHERE...then, pretty suddenly - NOTHING. Star Trek Enterprise being canceled started it, that Stargate Universe, various attempt at BSG sequel series failed or were not even launched. There was an industry wide and audience rebelion against it. Even Farscape and BSG had an "if Star Trek did it, we don't."

When it happens, it happens, but you're not going to see a vacuum like the one you referred to above. The movies will appear with less frequency. There are literally decades of stories they can adapt. People will tire of the team-fights-multitudes-of-drones scenarios. Avengers is doing it again because this is Ultron they're up against, and he IS the villain I wanted them to face. He's one of the Avengers' greatest foes.

That is where these Superhero movies are headed - especially the orign stories. It is the same stuff - over and over again.

That's why they need to bring in different characters. I'm also glad we won't see Batman's origin again for years. No need to go there. Same thing with Spider-Man. Superman's origin was handled just fine in MoS. I didn't need to spend 80 minutes in Smallville before seeing some shit happen.

Maybe they will reboot "Greatest American Hero"...that would be interesting. An excellent spoof is WAY over due.

I'm fine with spoofs. WB/DC should do Captain Carrot. It'd be a hit, especially since now everyone is crazy about a talking raccoon.

They will continue to make solo films. Team films will be used to stage larger conflicts and finales.

That's not what they are for. They are to given a huge amount of time for the balloon to build up. The solo films are to help build up that anticipation. That they time the release just right so the balloon doesn't pop so they get the maximum profit no matter how good or bad the film is. At least in Marvel's case...they are a climax to a larger story timed to earn a HUGE amount of money.

Uh, yes, they are. You just supported what I said. They're not going to be "intimate" films. And with Avengers and Guardians films coming in every 2-3 years, it's not "a huge amount of time," anymore. It's only when they form a new team, like the Netflix series that are being produced for Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Jessica Jones, that another lengthy period will be required. The thing I don't get is those four will form the Defenders, and as I said earlier in this thread (I'm starting to hear an echo), the team usually but not always consisted of Doctor Strange (also getting his own movie), Angel, Beast, Valkyrie, Ghost Rider and other oddballs.

They all tie into the Infinity Gauntlet, from what I've read.

Also referenced in this thread. You must do some selective reading or skimming.

Like I told you before, those characters are all re-tooled versions (or "reboots" if you like that term) of older characters that appeared at different times in different comics. Otherwise Groot would be eight stories tall.

So what? It's all Farscape anyway: Groot is some kinda Delvian tree.

That's nice to know you have such a hard-on for Farscape, but when I responded to some questions you asked of me, I told you Groot first appeared as a giant tree monster in 1960. And if you'd read any of Marvel's 1970s SF comics, maybe you'd see where some of the creators of your favorite cheesy sci-fi shows might be riffing their story elements.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I really enjoyed the Conan reboot starring Momoa (sp?) and directed by the Tx Chainsaw reboot helmer. Shame it didn't find an audience.

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http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/08/07/superman-versus-captain-america-the-superhero-showdown/

'Batman v Superman' versus 'Captain America': The superhero showdown that everybody won

[YoungJRNYfan]

Zack Snyder calls into a Detroit radio station to defend Aquaman, claiming: "His trident could “cut the flesh of Superman if they came in contact”. Hah! So awesome:

‘Batman v Superman’ director Zack Snyder calls into Detroit radio show to defend Aquaman (audio)
http://batman-news.com/2014/08/08/batma ... man-audio/

[YoungJRNYfan]

DC Movies To Be Announced This Month; WB Explains Initial BATMAN V SUPERMAN/ CAP 3 Battle

“In terms of going back and reviewing the situation, it looked to us—and maybe our reconnaissance wasn’t great—that they were not going to have a movie [ready] on that date,” explains Dan Fellman, the president of domestic distribution at Warner. “Just that they held onto it and they might not be able to deliver. But they took another position.”“The reality now is there really isn’t a bad week to open a movie,” says Fellman. “If you look at the summer box office this year, you can see that there were so many movies, one after the other. You can start with Spider-Man, two weeks later Godzilla, and then Maleficent, and then Edge of Tomorrow, and then Jump Street and Transformers. And the one thing they all had in common, not one of them did over $250 million. We’ll be the first one up [in 2016], which is very important, and we’ll have six weeks before Captain America comes in.” Along with the new date for Dawn of Justice, Warner Bros. also added nine other untitled DC Comics adaptations all the way up through 2020, and Dan Fellman teases that “some of those untitled DC movies should begin to be announced later this month." When EW asked Fellman if they will release a quick sequel to Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice instead of waiting the usual two to three years, he replied, “While it hasn't been officially announced, I think it’s a pretty good bet.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ ... /?a=105638

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DC Movies To Be Announced This Month; WB Explains Initial BATMAN V SUPERMAN/ CAP 3 Battle

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"We’ll be the first one up [in 2016], which is very important, and we’ll have six weeks before Captain America comes in.”

That's called strategy. If Marvel had noticed that sweet gap, they would've slid right into it.

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Zack Snyder calls into a Detroit radio station to defend Aquaman, claiming: "His trident could cut the flesh of Superman if they came in contact”

Aquaman is going to come off the very antithesis of the wimp he's been joked about on Big Bang Theory and wherever else. His land-based invulnerability and strength and magic-imbued trident could be a real problem for Supes.

(BEFORE they team up, of course. )

[YoungJRNYfan]

Zack Snyder calls into a Detroit radio station to defend Aquaman, claiming: "His trident could cut the flesh of Superman if they came in contact”

Aquaman is going to come off the very antithesis of the wimp he's been joked about on Big Bang Theory and wherever else. His land-based invulnerability and strength and magic-imbued trident could be a real problem for Supes.

(BEFORE they team up, of course. )

If that's the case, Supes is in big trouble. Bats may challenge and push Supes mentally, but if there's anybody that should grab his attention and keep it as a toe to toe threat, it's Aquaman. Supes will have his hands full.

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Looks like wheels are turning for preproduction on Aquaman.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/aquaman-movie-hooks-two-writers-724966

'Aquaman' Movie Hooks Two Writers (Exclusive)

Will Beall and Kurt Johnstad are sleeping with the fishes.

The scribes are writing — separately — scripts for Aquaman, one of the installments in Warner Bros.’ multimovie scheme to create a cinematic universe based on the DC Entertainment characters.

Aquaman is being developed on dual tracks, where studios and producers hire two separate writers to work on the same project in the hopes of getting the best version. The practice allows for release dates to be set while a project is still in development while giving it a muscular push. Warners needs just that as last week it dated nine untitled DC movies between 2016 and 2020.

Warners is not revealing which one of those will be Aquaman, but the first untitled DC movie is due for release on Aug. 5, 2016, with two more due in 2017, on June 23 and Nov. 17, respectively.

[YoungJRNYfan]

[YoungJRNYfan]

So amazing beyond words:

Superman vs Superman EXTENDED (Reeve vs Henry Cavill)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRyZ6qgZE0Y

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So amazing beyond words:

Superman vs Superman EXTENDED (Reeve vs Henry Cavill)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRyZ6qgZE0Y

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Apparently an extra has revealed details of two key scenes. I ain't readin' shit!

[YoungJRNYfan]

[YoungJRNYfan]

How it should have ended: Batman V Superman SDCC teaser trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQPYAhcEhlo

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[YoungJRNYfan]

[Deb]

LOL, bring on the pics of Momoa as a badass Aquaman!

On another note, anybody going to check out the new Gotham series this fall?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d1zpt6k5OI

[YoungJRNYfan]

[YoungJRNYfan]

Mos; BvS suit comparison: