Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

[YoungJRNYfan]

For Deb :

[Deb]

For Deb :

Nice! Thanks Trav! If I wasn't at work, I'd be right clicking that and using it as my AV.

[verslibre]

[RedWingFan]

The new Sin City movie only made $6M its openeng weekend. They say it'll be lucky to hit 15M for its total (short) run. Holy hell,wonder how big a loss its gonna take.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Henry Cavill and Amy Adams; or, uhh, Superman and Lois Lane's ALS Ice Bucket challenge:

http://vimeo.com/104408762

[trekman]

Its been over 40 years since I read comic books. I always thought Superman & Batman were on the same team? Why are they making a versus movie about them?

[YoungJRNYfan]

Its been over 40 years since I read comic books. I always thought Superman & Batman were on the same team? Why are they making a versus movie about them?

Batman V Superman The "V" Snyder indicated is that though Superman and Batman will have a showdown, it's not a straight versus movie whatsoever. Batman's the antagonist in this installment. This is the first time they will meet in this universe and WILL have a confrontation, but that's not to say they won't come together when it's all said and done. In the current comics, Superman and Batman are always portrayed as friends but due to different philosophies of how to go about Justice, always but heads here and there that always made for a dynamic relationship.

Take this scene in Superman: For Tomorrow for instance:

[Monker]

[quote="trekman"]Its been over 40 years since I read comic books. I always thought Superman & Batman were on the same team? Why are they making a versus movie about them? [/quote

Essentially, because Marvel is having such huge success, DC has decided to jump the shark and start introducing Justice Legaue franchise characters to lead up to a movie. The movie is also introducing Wonder Woman and Aquaman.

Get ready for the superhero bubble to pop in the next few years. I just can't see people wanting to see this same plot over and over and over again by BOTH DC and Marvel.

[YoungJRNYfan]

There's no jumping the shark whatsoever. This is the peak of where this genre simply is right now. Outside of the Dark Knight Trilogy, DC has made numerous attempts in the early decade to follow through with a shared universe and Justice League. It's not like just because Marvel all of a sudden has success with a shared universe, that DC all of a sudden noticed this and got onboard. In fact, DC had every intention to lift a shared universe off the ground first but had major misses inbetween like Green Lantern halt their progression and Marvel beat them too the punch.

It's just the way the business is at this point and is the natural flow to the genre and what makes these movies highly successful. These movies are doing a killing and if the studio thought nobody wanted to keep seeing them, then they wouldn't have a slate of movies being projected all the way into the 2020's. The charts are there and these movies are at their peak performances and showing absolutley no signs of slowing down in the slightest. In fact, the bar just continues to rise. It's a great time to be a fan. Hands down, it
odoesnt get better than this.

[verslibre]

Essentially, because Marvel is having such huge success [blah, blah, blah]

The Dark Knight (2008) and The Dark Knight Rises (2012) have both grossed 1 billion globally.

The Avengers (2012) and Iron Man 3 (2012) have both grossed 1 billion globally.

Marvel and DC are two for two.

[verslibre]

There's no jumping the shark whatsoever. This is the peak of where this genre simply is right now. Outside of the Dark Knight Trilogy, DC has made numerous attempts in the early decade to follow through with a shared universe and Justice League. It's not like just because Marvel all of a sudden has success with a shared universe, that DC all of a sudden noticed this and got onboard. In fact, DC had every intention to lift a shared universe off the ground first but had major misses inbetween like Green Lantern halt their progression and Marvel beat them too the punch.

Don't waste your time explaining it to him. There are plenty of posts he can go back and reread. He doesn't care about these films or the genre or anything not called Farscape or Doctor Who. He ignores anything we say and chimes in whenever TNC is on the shitter and has forgotten his phone.

[Monker]

Essentially, because Marvel is having such huge success [blah, blah, blah]

The Dark Knight (2008) and The Dark Knight Rises (2012) have both grossed 1 billion globally.

The Avengers (2012) and Iron Man 3 (2012) have both grossed 1 billion globally.

Marvel and DC are two for two.

Which has nothing to do with anything I said.

However, The Dark Knight series is over and DC had nothing to replace it with. Even "Man of Steel" did not have the impact that the Dark Knight series has. Last I read the Iron Man series is also over but Marvel had all kinds of things in the pipe to replace it...and I would expect RDJ to be in the planned Avenger's movies.

The simple fact is Marvel had an outstanding plan for their characters, DC was playing hit and miss. According to YOU guys whenever there was a miss (Superman Returns or Green Lantern) they completely barfed on their plans. There was very little commitment. Then Avengers hit big and NOW DC jumps on the water skis to follow their lead with BvS and JL...throw all kinds of characters at the wall and see what sticks and what stinks. In a summary, that is DC's "plan"...to jump the shark and hope for the best. And, BTW, by definition, jumping the shark happens at the "peak" of popularity.

[Monker]

There's no jumping the shark whatsoever. This is the peak of where this genre simply is right now. Outside of the Dark Knight Trilogy, DC has made numerous attempts in the early decade to follow through with a shared universe and Justice League. It's not like just because Marvel all of a sudden has success with a shared universe, that DC all of a sudden noticed this and got onboard. In fact, DC had every intention to lift a shared universe off the ground first but had major misses inbetween like Green Lantern halt their progression and Marvel beat them too the punch.

Don't waste your time explaining it to him. There are plenty of posts he can go back and reread. He doesn't care about these films or the genre or anything not called Farscape or Doctor Who. He ignores anything we say and chimes in whenever TNC is on the shitter and has forgotten his phone.

Well, you are completely wrong about that. I care about anything scifi or fantasy. The reality is, that is what these movies are at their heart...scifi/fantasy.

TNC does his own thing. There is no tag-teaming going on, except for you two.

I've read what you all say...but I don't buy into it. Like any industry, these films are driven by money. The early attempts at building a universe failed...but if it was believed they could earn billions, they would have pushed it through. When Marvel PROVED what could be done, then DC decided to start pushing it through at any cost in order to catch up. That is what is happening.

It's not BvS. That would be interesting. It is BvS, with a supporting role by Wonder Woman, and introducing Aquaman, and who really knows who else is being thrown at the wall.

They had an opportunity to make an absolutely outstanding film based on character driven drama. Instead all that is talked about is all the fluff of guest stars, special affects, and costumes. What a wasted opportunity when the very fans like you would rather post CGI pics of Aquaman than discuss the drama between Batman and Superman. Like I said a long time ago, if you have to take time to explain WHY Batman is fighting Superman then it's having problems from the start...all of that should be explained by the STUDIO in promotion - not the hardcore fans.

[verslibre]

Like I said a long time ago, if you have to take time to explain WHY Batman is fighting Superman then it's having problems from the start...all of that should be explained by the STUDIO in promotion - not the hardcore fans.

Or maybe to the layperson it's such a bizarre concept that that will make s/he head to the theater to check out "what" happens. Not everything has to be about a rag-tag group of stragglers or government or privately funded operatives up against an alien army. Marvel has a successful formula so far, but one thing IS standing out, IMO, and that is that Marvel Studios is playing it safe. Too safe. They bypassed Tony Stark's battle with alcoholism — which would have made for an incredible movie, and the real disintegration of his relationships and friendships, including a devastating battle against his good friend Rhodes — and the spousal abuse that took place in the marriage of Henry & Janet Pym (aka Ant-Man/Yellowjacket and Wasp) will be absent because they want to keep their movies very kid-friendly.

BvS is actually going to break new ground because it will pit two primary characters against each other onscreen (before the inevitable joining of forces against a greater threat). You can't say that it won't be a great character-driven piece, when in fact it looks like it may be just that. We do not yet have a trailer, only a teaser that was shown to 5,000 people at Comic Con — which, I might add, made the place go apeshit.

[verslibre]

According to YOU guys whenever there was a miss (Superman Returns or Green Lantern) they completely barfed on their plans.

According to a lot of other people, too. Green Lantern is an example of major errors left uncorrected. The CGI looked unfinished in MANY places and Parallax was rendered a sentient cosmic cloud right after we had another movie that featured a large sentient cloud. There was also a very brief battle midway through the film between a handful of members of the GL Corps and Parallax, and it was less exciting than something you'd see in Power Rangers. The script needed an eleventh-hour revision and it never got it.

In fact, that other movie (FF: Rise of the Silver Surfer) also suffered because somebody made an executive decision to not depict the villain properly. The director said "I'm not going to show a giant dude in a purple outfit." Well, too bad. That was a fuck-up. Marvel Studios would depict Galactus properly, but Fox doesn't want to let go (especially now) of FF, Doctor Doom, Silver Surfer, Galactus, Ba'doon and related Marvel properties they can make movies with.

So there you have it.

[YoungJRNYfan]

They had an opportunity to make an absolutely outstanding film based on character driven drama.

Dude, they aren't even done filming the damn movie. They are far from completing the thing! Hatorade running high on this one.

Instead all that is talked about is all the fluff of guest stars, special affects, and costumes.

This movie is still 2 years away dude. Not only THAT, but it's not even close to being done filming, which means there is no official plot details WHATSOEVER so the ONLY thing we CAN discuss at the moment, is rumors, costume and special effects (seriously, what modern blockbuster won't have special effects? That's nothing new. But I know one thing, Snyder has a chance to get iconic in his directing and what he will shoot. He will deliver the goods).

What a wasted opportunity when the very fans like you would rather post CGI pics of Aquaman

It's just all in good fun. Get your damn shit together man. You're making a total whine session out of nothing.

than discuss the drama between Batman and Superman

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Like I said a long time ago, if you have to take time to explain WHY Batman is fighting Superman then it's having problems from the start...

Contradict much? In one breath you say wouldn't it be nice to discuss the drama between Superman and Batman and then turn around saying it's having problems from the start if we have to....uhhh...discuss drama between Superman and Batman Make up your mind.

It's not BvS. That would be interesting. It is BvS, with a supporting role by Wonder Woman....

So it's not BvS....but WAIT it IS BvS. Seriously, it's not hard to understand. The title is Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice. The main story is going to be BvS focused but setting up Justice League via cameo's; small roles. Rocket Science is probably easier to explain.

all of that should be explained by the STUDIO in promotion - not the hardcore fans.

Want to hear something crazy? Us hardcore fans have NO fucking clue what's going to happen in BatmanVSuperman or how their confrontation will come about. You understand that, right? I know nothing and haven't seen this film. All I'm doing is really referring to the comic books, the source material not the actual film itself because, you know...it hasn't been seen yet let alone close to being finished. Other than that, judging what I've seen in MoS, we can have discussions on what we might think will happen. That's it. HATORADE running wild.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Clark










fucking Kent!

[verslibre]

Shit, it's Clark! Those glasses really change him. Crazy.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Cavill looking AWESOME as CK.

[YoungJRNYfan]

The Rock confirmed as Black Adam in Shazam! movie as well. More Awesomeness.

[verslibre]

The Rock confirmed as Black Adam in Shazam! movie as well. More Awesomeness.

Devafuckingstating.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Ben Affleck on the script:

Ben Affleck Says Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice Script Is Really Smart
In regards to Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice, which he probably won't win an Oscar for but everyone will go see, Affleck professed, "I’m having a blast."

Affleck also praised the script, which is written by Argo screenwriter Chris Terrio. Affleck described the script as being "really unique to the genre and really smart."

[verslibre]

Ben Affleck on the script:

Ben Affleck Says Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice Script Is Really Smart
In regards to Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice, which he probably won't win an Oscar for but everyone will go see, Affleck professed, "I’m having a blast."

Affleck also praised the script, which is written by Argo screenwriter Chris Terrio. Affleck described the script as being "really unique to the genre and really smart."

[YoungJRNYfan]

[Monker]

Interesting. I didn't realize until I saw this how badly male pattern baldness has affected today's Superman. In a few years, he's either going to need a wig, or change roles to Lex Luthor, or both.

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[Monker]

Interesting. I didn't realize until I saw this how badly male pattern baldness has affected today's Superman. In a few years, he's either going to need a wig, or change roles to Lex Luthor, or both.

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[RedWingFan]

Interesting. I didn't realize until I saw this how badly male pattern baldness has affected today's Superman. In a few years, he's either going to need a wig, or change roles to Lex Luthor, or both.

Oh yeah. Apparently Clark's hair folicles aren't so.............super.

[verslibre]

Interesting. I didn't realize until I saw this how badly male pattern baldness has affected today's Superman. In a few years, he's either going to need a wig, or change roles to Lex Luthor, or both.

Are you gay?

[verslibre]

Oh yeah. Apparently Clark's hair folicles aren't so.............super.

I'm too busy looking at Gal Gadot's WW to notice. I guess you and Honker are fixated on beefcake.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Interesting. I didn't realize until I saw this how badly male pattern baldness has affected today's Superman. In a few years, he's either going to need a wig, or change roles to Lex Luthor, or both.

Fun fact: At an early age, Chris Reeve suffered from a condition that led to hair loss. For Superman, they actually had to put a wig on Chris and dye it black to fill out his hair or he would have literally been bald.



Cavill on the other hand has natural Superman hair. Supes, especially the Golden Age Supes, has a receding hairline. Cavill, in every way, steps right out of the comic books. That and they went more of the Alex Ross hairstyle for BVS. Cavill had nice locks in MOS. They are taming his curls on purpose.