Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

[YoungJRNYfan]

Producer Charles Roven speaks shared universe beginning with Man of Steel; Wonder Woman's origin.

I don’t think it’s a secret that it’s called Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice. Warner Bros. has announced a number of DC properties that are going to be made over the next five years, including Justice League. The biggest difference between what Chris [Nolan] did in The Dark Knight Trilogy and what we’re doing now is that Bruce Wayne, Batman, lived in what I called a closed universe, in that there were no superheroes in it. There’s Batman, and he is a human being, and Bruce Wayne has taken himself and made himself - in many ways, even though he’s definitely got some dysfunction - he’s made himself into, in many ways, the best a human being can be intellectually, in terms of his ability to be a detective, physically, etcetera. But he’s real. He’s human, he’s a human being. He has no superpowers.

When we embarked on Man of Steel…one of the things we were doing was we were created a universe that had a superhero in it, because Superman is clearly a superhero, he has superpowers. So once we did that, it was with the knowledge that, if the movie was successful and we expanded the universe, we were going to expand it and populate it with other, like characters. Wonder Woman’s in it. We know that. She has powers, she’s a goddess. She’s a demigod. Her father was Zeus.

http://comicbook.com/2014/10/13/wonder- ... confirmed/

In that video interview, shocked to see Nolan's continued involvement. According to Roven, Nolan had a say in the casting of Ben Affleck as Batman. Interesting interview!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyJvBNT ... jw7x#t=139

[The_Noble_Cause]

Producer Charles Roven speaks shared universe beginning with Man of Steel; Wonder Woman's origin.

I don’t think it’s a secret that it’s called Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice. Warner Bros. has announced a number of DC properties that are going to be made over the next five years, including Justice League. The biggest difference between what Chris [Nolan] did in The Dark Knight Trilogy and what we’re doing now is that Bruce Wayne, Batman, lived in what I called a closed universe, in that there were no superheroes in it. There’s Batman, and he is a human being, and Bruce Wayne has taken himself and made himself - in many ways, even though he’s definitely got some dysfunction - he’s made himself into, in many ways, the best a human being can be intellectually, in terms of his ability to be a detective, physically, etcetera. But he’s real. He’s human, he’s a human being. He has no superpowers.

When we embarked on Man of Steel…one of the things we were doing was we were created a universe that had a superhero in it, because Superman is clearly a superhero, he has superpowers. So once we did that, it was with the knowledge that, if the movie was successful and we expanded the universe, we were going to expand it and populate it with other, like characters. Wonder Woman’s in it. We know that. She has powers, she’s a goddess. She’s a demigod. Her father was Zeus.

With the exception of the interstellar Krypton prologue, I thought MOS tackled a fantasy subject in a mostly grounded and human way. I'm not really sold that MOS was intended to be an 'open universe.' With the exception of the blink-and-miss it Wayne satellite easter egg, there is no indication that the residents of Smallville or Metropolis exist in a world where neon superheroes are the norm. Quite the opposite. I just don't buy it. It all sounds like tail wagging the dog, with Marvel's moves dictating what DC does or doesn't try next.

On an unrelated note, anyone see this report on Captain America 3?

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/rober ... 201312229/

[Monker]

On an unrelated note, anyone see this report on Captain America 3?

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/rober ... 201312229/

Sounds like a plot for an X-Men movie...not sure if that is good or bad...

Last week I read in Fandango's rumor bits that Marvel has negotiated the ability to use Spiderman in their moves. Now I read in the above link that Spiderman was in the original "Civil War' story...having Captain America, Iron Man, and Spiderman in one movie, I don't know. I can see Captain American and Iron Man...unless it's a small cameo, adding Spiderman could be a bit of overkill...but it would be interesting to see what happens.

Also, since all the hype for Wonder Woman...I really think Marvel needs to get a Captain Marvel movie together. Don't know if they could do that before Avengers 3, but that would rock...and they need a high profile female character on the same level as Captain America and Iron Man.

And, after a quick Google:
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Here-Mor ... 67677.html

[YoungJRNYfan]

With the exception of the interstellar Krypton prologue, I thought MOS tackled a fantasy subject in a mostly grounded and human way. I'm not really sold that MOS was intended to be an 'open universe.' With the exception of the blink-and-miss it Wayne satellite easter egg, there is no indication that the residents of Smallville or Metropolis exist in a world where neon superheroes are the norm. Quite the opposite. I just don't buy it. It all sounds like tail wagging the dog, with Marvel's moves dictating what DC does or doesn't try next.

This article was in April 2013. 2 months before the release of MoS.

http://www.screenslam.com/man-of-steel- ... gnet_53725




Chris Roven (the same guy in that recent interview above):

In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, producer Chris Roven opened up about introducing characters:

“[Man of Steel's] setting the tone for what the movies are going to be like going forward. In that, Man of Steel is definitely a first step. What Zack [Snyder] and Chris [Nolan] have done with [Man of Steel] is allow you to really introduce other characters into the same world.”

“It’s setting the tone for what the movies are going to be like going forward. In that, it’s definitely a first step. I think you’ll see that, going forward, anything can live in this world… [Nolan's] Batman was deliberately and smartly positioned as a stand-alone. “The world they lived in was very isolated without any knowledge of any other superheroes. What Zack and Chris have done with this film is allow you to really introduce other characters into the same world.”
That next step should be revealed soon. “We’ll announce something in the next several weeks that will hopefully position the DC characters and the movies we’re going to be making,” Robinov said.

“I would love to tell you yes or no [on Man of Steel leading to a shared universe], but I think it’s going to be more exciting for people to keep a beady eye out and find what they can find.”

On an unrelated note, anyone see this report on Captain America 3?

Looks like it will be CIVIL WAR.

[verslibre]

In that video interview, shocked to see Nolan's continued involvement. According to Roven, Nolan had a say in the casting of Ben Affleck as Batman.

Hear that sound? Listen...it's the sound of TNC's brain sizzling like a scrambled egg.

I'm not really sold that Superman Returns was intended to be an 'open universe.'

Fixed. (Also, delete the post-credits scene from Iron Man, and what do you get?)

Looks like it will be CIVIL WAR.

Which is beyond the scope of one 2hr15m film. I think it will begin CW, but it would eventually require the involvement of Spider-Man and other characters, and the Netflix Marvel series set (Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones) isn't set to appear for a while yet. I hope they don't try to fast-forward things and have Cap shot so Bucky takes over after CA3. It wouldn't surprise me, though.

[YoungJRNYfan]

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hear that sound? Listen...it's the sound of TNC's brain sizzling like a scrambled egg.

It is in the producer's financial interest to hype Nolan's involvement. The producers have also stated that Ben Affleck was their only choice as Batman, even tho Josh Brolin confirmed that they had talked to him. So who are you going to believe? Welcome to the Hollywood spin machine. I wish Chris or his brother were more actively involved. The result would probably be a much better movie.

Fixed. (Also, delete the post-credits scene from Iron Man, and what do you get?)

Marvel didn't go right from Iron Man 1 straight to The Avengers. So I fail to see your point here.

[The_Noble_Cause]

WB head discusses DC movie lineup. Strangely, no mention of Manof Steel 2. Hmmm...

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/movies/w ... n-deck/#/0

[YoungJRNYfan]

Lets make this easy. The OFFICIAL release from Warner Brothers themselves:

And, in a massive expansion of the Studio’s DC Entertainment-branded content, Warner Bros. Pictures and New Line Cinema will release a slate of at least 10 movies—as well as stand-alone Batman and Superman films—from 2016 through 2020 that expands this prized universe of characters:

“Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice,” directed by Zack Snyder (2016)
“Suicide Squad,” directed by David Ayer (2016)
“Wonder Woman,” starring Gal Gadot (2017)
“Justice League Part One,” directed by Zack Snyder, with Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill and Amy Adams reprising their roles (2017)
“The Flash,” starring Ezra Miller (2018)
“Aquaman,” starring Jason Momoa (2018)
“Shazam” (2019)
“Justice League Part Two,” directed by Zack Snyder (2019)
“Cyborg,” starring Ray Fisher (2020)
“Green Lantern” (2020)

http://www.warnerbros.com/studio/news/w ... conference

Batman and Superman solo movies are unscheduled...if this was UNO...Batman and Superman are the Draw Four Wild cards...held on to in case an opponent tries to get cute.There will be two years where there are three DC Comics blockbusters. So, don’t worry Bat and Supes fans, your top DC heroes are getting their own additional stories in these years as well.

If I had to plan it they'd appear in the spot between JL One and JL Two

MASSIVE NEWS. LEZ-DO-DIZ!

[verslibre]

You beat me to it, Trav-el. That's what happens when people don't get it from the source.

[YoungJRNYfan]

I know some things are tough around here....like reading....so here's some clarifaction on the matter. Not sure how it can't be more clear, but to some, I'm SURE it won't be



and with GREAT, LOGICAL explanation:

It isn't that the tentpole Batman and Superman films aren't on the schedule, then, but that they exist independent of the DC development slate -- something that makes sense, given the frequent criticism that Warners has only ever made movies of those two heroes. This means, then, that Warners continues to make movies of those two heroes as planned...and then they slot in a calendar full of other DC Comics stuff. It relies on DC Entertainment to sell lesser-known or more risky properties, while Batman and Superman can sell themselves.

http://comicbook.com/2014/10/15/batman- ... in-additi/

[verslibre]

The Batman was originally slated for 2019 and I wouldn't be surprised if it appears that year or they push it up to 2018.

Btw, the buzz for this news is GARGANTUAN and Wonder Woman is the #1 trending topic on the muthafuckin' Twitter, Warner Bros is #4, and Suicide Squad is #8. Flash was in there , too.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Let's take stock of the regular complaints against WB/DC that have been wiped away by this announcement

WB/DC have no plan
DC will never make anything apart from Superman and Batman movies.
DC will never announce a Wonder Woman solo.
Marvel will beat DC to the announcement of a female superhero movie.
DC will not have a person of color lead a movie.

[YoungJRNYfan]

[verslibre]

Let's take stock of the regular complaints against WB/DC that have been wiped away by this announcement

WB/DC have no plan
DC will never make anything apart from Superman and Batman movies.
DC will never announce a Wonder Woman solo.
Marvel will beat DC to the announcement of a female superhero movie.
DC will not have a person of color lead a movie.

DC beat Marvel a long time ago with Supergirl.

People have been jonesin' for a WW movie for ages.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Good listen:

AMC Movie Talk - WB Announces JUSTICE LEAGUE, WONDER WOMAN And Full Hero Slate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNroGcxL_kE

Still trying to wrap my head around all of this. It may be weeks until I process this excitement lol.

[RedWingFan]

Let's take stock of the regular complaints against WB/DC that have been wiped away by this announcement

WB/DC have no plan

I never said WB/DC had no plan. They just bail on them every time one of their movies bombs. (ie. Catwoman, Green Lantern)
We'll see if they've grown any balls since then if Suicide Squad or WW bombs. Anyway, They're only what 7 or 8 years behind Marvel? Yeah, those WB/DC execs are fucking awesome and cutting edge dude. Whatever movies do get released, maybe after their run in theaters they'll release them on VHS and Betamax!

[verslibre]

Anyway, They're only what 7 or 8 years behind Marvel?

They are? In respect to what, superhero films, or films within a single shared universe? I recall a string of theatrical Superman and Batman films from the 70s through the 90s and then an ultra-successful Batman trilogy from 2005-2012 so it's stupid and infantile to cackle like a rooster (cockhead) and pretend DC has had zero success in cinema. They were right to put the brakes on a Green Lantern sequel. Not every film blows the box office away. Why do you think the third Thor film was pushed back several years?

Disney, Sony and Fox all have licenses on different Marvel characters, so they can't all appear together, anyway. They may reach a compromise with Sony. Fox will never release their grasp on the mutant characters and they're rebooting Fantastic Four so they can hold on to all those characters, even though the two movies they made bombed.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Let's take stock of the regular complaints against WB/DC that have been wiped away by this announcement

WB/DC have no plan

I never said WB/DC had no plan. They just bail on them every time one of their movies bombs. (ie. Catwoman, Green Lantern)
We'll see if they've grown any balls since then if Suicide Squad or WW bombs. Anyway, They're only what 7 or 8 years behind Marvel? Yeah, those WB/DC execs are fucking awesome and cutting edge dude. Whatever movies do get released, maybe after their run in theaters they'll release them on VHS and Betamax!

The hate runs high my friend! And don't flatter yourself too much. This forum isn't the only place that exists on the internet. The common conception over the years within the comic-book community and its fans ranted about such a thing about WB. You answered your own question, BTW. They are way behind Marvel because of bombs like Green Lantern. Catwoman shouldn't even be in discussion for basically anything.

Green Lantern was supposed to expand the DC Universe. They struck out but kept at it with the wheels turning after TDKTrilogy with MoS.

The Bat-Trilogy and Nolan practically handcuffed the broader DC Universe when it came to a cinematic shared universe and had Batman in limbo, who is a huge touching stone for the Justice League so it's no surprise how things turned out for Marvel, whose studio banks on NOTHING but their hero movies. WB certainly doesn't but that has now changed and they are all fucking in.

Anyway, Marvel certainly thinks WB is cutting edge. WB now has balls and Marvel took notice so much that they put Cap 3 in the slot to go head to head. The juggernaut that is the can't-do-no-wrong Marvel bandwagon got worried and rightfully so. Maybe one day, people will realize us, the fans, win. Let Marvel do their own thing and let DC do their thing because this is fucking WILD.

LEZ-DO-DIZ.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Anyway, Marvel certainly thinks WB is cutting edge. WB now has balls and Marvel took notice so much that they put Cap 3 in the slot to go head to head.

Really? Because I viewed that move more like a high school bully throwing the band geek up against a locker. I don't think Marvel is losing sleep over DC's clearly half-assed effort.

[verslibre]

[YoungJRNYfan]

Anyway, Marvel certainly thinks WB is cutting edge. WB now has balls and Marvel took notice so much that they put Cap 3 in the slot to go head to head.

Really? Because I viewed that move more like a high school bully throwing the band geek up against a locker. I don't think Marvel is losing sleep over DC's clearly half-assed effort.

Civil War was just announced. It's Marvel's answer to a "VS" movie, so, initially, they are ones copying DC now Just remember a bully may be a bully (you should know), but in the end, all you have to do is stick up to one and they back the fuck down and cool the fuck off. It's easy to shart all over DC/WB because quite frankly, like RWF said, they are behind but they are going to make up ground very fast and potentially surpass a franchise say like, TDK because now, their superhero properties and their entire CATALOG is going to be on full display and then-some. Hell, Wonder Woman ALONE can wipe the floor.

Make no mistake, Marvel has takin' notice, which is why they shelved Thor 3, pushed it back and put Cap 3 against BvS at that time. It's simple, they know DC's going to bring it.

[verslibre]

Dude!

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2014/10/16/is-batman-v-superman-building-themyscira-in-new-mexico-desert/

[YoungJRNYfan]

YEP!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Civil War was just announced.

I read it in Variety. Has Marvel confirmed?

It's Marvel's answer to a "VS" movie, so, initially, they are ones copying DC now

If you saw Captain America 2, the (Iron Man vs Captain A) storyline they are telling (if true) seems like an organic outgrowth of storytelling.

Just remember a bully may be a bully (you should know),but in the end, all you have to do is stick up to one and they back the fuck down and cool the fuck off.

Riiiight. And ugly women who have great personalities get asked to the prom over the big titted cheerleaders. Any other BS life lessons you wish to dispense, Aesop?

Hell, Wonder Woman ALONE can wipe the floor.

Based on what? If NBC's cancelled Bionic Woman TV show or Theron's Aeon Flux film dud are any example, such a property is a big question mark.

Make no mistake, Marvel has takin' notice, which is why they shelved Thor 3, pushed it back..

Thor 2 was profitable, but the overall reaction was "Meh." Kinda like MOS. Probably why MOS 2 was taken off the official schedule too.

[verslibre]

Based on what? If NBC's cancelled Bionic Woman TV show or Theron's Aeon Flux film dud are any example, such a property is a big question mark.

Aeon Flux doesn't have the widespread appeal some like to think it has. Bionic Woman and Knight Rider are dated concepts that don't translate well into today's entertainment mind sets. The KR reboot was hilarious because 1) the car was now a Mustang (zzzz) and despite its size somehow managed to become an immovable monument that could shatter a much larger, faster-moving vehicle. Unless that shit comes from outa-space, everyone goes "Hell, naw!"

Wonder Woman is way more popular than that shit.

Thor 2 was profitable, but the overall reaction was "Meh." Kinda like MOS. Probably why MOS 2 was taken off the official schedule too.

Thor: The Dark World only made 206M here, a little more than Godzilla, but it was expected to gross significantly more. It made its money back worldwide. Cap 2 had the same budget, is a far better movie, and made $55M more domestically and roughly 90M more worldwide. AKAIK, Thor 3 doesn't even have a completed script yet but Cap 3 has been in preproduction since late summer.

Yeah, MoS is so "meh" it's only made a cool 100M on DVD sales alone.

[YoungJRNYfan]

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I read it in Variety. Has Marvel confirmed?

If you saw Captain America 2, the (Iron Man vs Captain A) storyline they are telling (if true) seems like an organic outgrowth of storytelling.

Same with MoS. Two aliens left the city of Metropolis in absolute ruins and the destruction and death toll is going to piss a LOT of people off. The dismantling of Bruce Wayne's satellite isn't going to sit well on top of it either with a certain somebody.

Riiiight. And ugly women who have great personalities get asked to the prom over the big titted cheerleaders. Any other BS life lessons you wish to dispense, Aesop?

Yep. Big titted cheerleaders are nothing but bimbos hiding behind the fact they need to be 'HUMORED' to achieve the two give-a-fucks a guy may have for them. You know.... ALWAYS saying the right thing and hanging out with the "popular" crowd. Real girls with personalty may not look as pretty, but in the end, they are more "REAL" and honest and have to take risks to achieve success. The girl with the personality, though, will always be the right one and better choice for you in the end if you would just give her chance .

Based on what? If NBC's cancelled Bionic Woman TV show or Theron's Aeon Flux film dud are any example, such a property is a big question mark.

Probably based on the fact that demand for a solo Wonder Woman film has been highly touted for a very long time and for it to live up to what people expect from her, who just so happens to be the most popular woman superhero the genre will and ever will see when it comes to pop culture, it's going to have to pull all the right strings with the right people. The time is now.

Thor 2 was profitable, but the overall reaction was "Meh." Kinda like MOS. Probably why MOS 2 was taken off the official schedule too.

That $50 is still on the table, right? DC is working backwards. They are branching off franchise's and introducing their universe through BatmanVSuperman briefly and then onto 2 parts of Justice League and then solos will follow after those two movies, the complete opposite of Marvel. As you chose to ignore, Superman and Batman films ARE in production and they will get their solos before 2019, they just haven't been announced yet. I bet WB releases those scheduled movies and those dates at next years SDCC. It's in their holster, staying nice and warm.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Here's our Cyborg Ray Fisher as Muhammad Ali in the off-Broadway production of “Fetch Clay, Make Man”.

http://timdrakewaynedraper.tumblr.com/p ... f-broadway

Got some MAD talent in this DCUniverse.

[verslibre]

Here's our Cyborg Ray Fisher as Muhammad Ali in the off-Broadway production of “Fetch Clay, Make Man”.

http://timdrakewaynedraper.tumblr.com/p ... f-broadway

Got some MAD talent in this DCUniverse.

Damn, that dude is perfect. I can easily visualize the armor on him.

Ryan Gosling is being talked to about the Suicide Squad movie, which is cool because I can't see him as Dr. Strange.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Looks like fan artwork to me. As far as I'm aware, Marvel has yet to officially comment on Civil War. It's probably true. Tho some rumors (like Sony leasing Spiderman to Marvel studios) seem highly unlikely.

The dismantling of Bruce Wayne's satellite isn't going to sit well on top of it either with a certain somebody.

That is pretty much a blink-and-miss-it Easter egg. Wayne Industries did not factor into MOS's plot-line at all. With the exception of Krypton, the story did not really exist outside of Metropolis. So the idea that MOS somehow opened the door for superheroes from Gotham, Atlantis, and elsewhere, seems very very forced.

As you chose to ignore, Superman and Batman films ARE in production and they will get their solos before 2019...

But they are not even in pre-production.