Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

[verslibre]

So I guess this got Twitterfied:

How different? Eh, not much. It's really the experience. But what they add will make a fanboy pee.

Report back on what you see!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Increasingly, many blockbusters have action set pieces set at night to curb CGI costs. The climactic battle in Ang Lee's Hulk comes to mind.

That was just bad direction and (presumably) a shortchange in the FX department. That is literally one of the worst sequences of its kind in a post-70s or 80s movie. It should have never been filmed. When I watched that movie, I couldn't even tell it was directed by "the great" Ang Lee. It could have been anybody. The story sucked and the collective talents of Bana, Connelly, Nolte and O'Neill were wasted on that crap. Incredible Hulk is a much better film, with a proper adversary, and it was also a '"soft reboot" in which the origin was explained in very little time and nobody complained. But then, there is this whopper of a double standard when it comes to Marvel and DC.

Vers,

I think we've discussed this before. Lee was a strange choice for Hulk to begin with and the result is, unsurprisingly, a mainstream Hollywood action film with a small scale arthouse sensibility. A very very wierd failure of a movie. The one sequence in the middle of the film set in San Franciso and the desert canyons was pretty cool. The Norton film, as a straight-forward action film, is easily the better movie. Maybe the Lee film will get a midnight cult following in a few years. It's a little out there...killer mutant poddles, anyone?

[Monker]

If people like you have to eexplain the plot then there is a huge problem.

I don't know the plot. None of us know the plot. The teaser for BvS didn't show us anything; plot wise. I didn't explain anything. I just said "We'll just have to wait and see" (if you can read.) It's called waiting to see it by actually watching the movie. Crazy stuff, I know but I don't know what direction they're going to take, just observations.

You went through the entire plot for Trekman in the post prior. Perhaps you forgot.

The bottom line is you guys have to explain this shit to people who don't know the comic background. That is not good and, IMO, is a sign of a very over-hyped movie with real issues.

We know nothing of this Batman. The teaser set us up as expected; the fallout from the public's P.O.V and teasing the title at the end : Batman V Superman. It's stuff we should already know. Kudo's to WB for not showing much and everything from their FIRST footage. The movie is still a year away. We will see more as the studio cranks up marketing, but good job

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The teaser set nobody up. All it did was confuse everybody who does not know the comics. Like it or not, people *DO* view Batman and Superman as "Superfriends"...not as adversaries. People view Batman as Adam West, not a middle-aged grumpy fat man in a bat suit. People view Superman as Christopher Reeve and "truth, justice and the American way", not a publicly ridiculed depressed alien.

So, they have to explain all of that back story into one film and have convoluted and forced plot, or ignore it and confuse the hell out of everybody. Either way, the movie is going to be a lot less impressive than what you all are hyping.

[verslibre]

The bottom line is you guys have to explain this shit to people who don't know the comic background. That is not good and, IMO, is a sign of a very over-hyped movie with real issues.

No, we don't. The more people ask "Why are Batman and Superman going to fight?" the more interested they may become. This film is still eleven months out and more teasers/trailers and promotions will be greenlit. The Comic Con presentation will figure largely as that is where much of the buzz for these films is primarily generated, as well as online.

People view Batman as Adam West, not a middle-aged grumpy fat man in a bat suit.

You speak as if Michael Keaton and Christian Bale never portrayed Batman. Those are the most popular Batman actors. West is popular, too, but in a purely nostalgic way.

People view Superman as Christopher Reeve and "truth, justice and the American way", not a publicly ridiculed depressed alien.

People are going to have to learn and accept that there are other Superman stories beyond the alien who acts like a Boy Scout, hence my remarks about spoonfeeding.

[verslibre]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2429156-deandre-jordan-rolls-out-new-batmobile

[YoungJRNYfan]

You went through the entire plot for Trekman in the post prior. Perhaps you forgot.

Pretty sure I didn't. Again, it looks as though you lack reading comprehension. I didn't mention anything of the plot. I did, however, explain to trekman the characterization of Batman in Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns graphic novel and comparing that to the adaption of this Batman, which is what we've already known since the announcement of this movie. The rest of my post to trekman are my opinions taking what we know and predicting how they could unfold.

I assure you, I haven't seen BvS yet and I don't know the plot or how it will unfold. I have a good understanding, but I'm sure some twists and turns and a different spin on the comic book adaption will be different. Again, it's why we go to watch movies. To WATCH them unfold.

Trailers are supposed to get the people to ask questions, not answer them but I know how bad people need spoon-fed in 2015. Kudo's to WB for not caving in and showing too much in the teaser. They showed enough for a teaser, which sold the title of the movie and the response to the events in the last movie (Man of Steel.)

The bottom line is you guys have to explain this shit to people who don't know the comic background. That is not good and, IMO, is a sign of a very over-hyped movie with real issues.

Pointing out references to comic books and explaining to people that this adaption of this Batman character is pulled RIGHT from the pages is good for both the movie AND the comic book industry. With comic fans pointing to the average Joe in the direction of the TDKReturns, it's a free plug and sell for TDKReturns graphic novel, which helps the industry and the audience become more knowledgeable with these characters they thought they knew everything about (which apparently doesn't expand past Shark repellent spray or the John Williams Superman theme )

The teaser set nobody up.

A teaser did what it was supposed to do. Sell the movie and it did. The title of this film is called Batman V Superman. People are intriguied as to why they might standoff against each other and that curioisty and intrigue will get them to the theaters and find out for themselves and get their answer. I can't believe I'm explaining this to you.

Just kidding. I can believe it.

All it did was confuse everybody who does not know the comics. Like it or not, people *DO* view Batman and Superman as "Superfriends"...not as adversaries.

Nobody ever knew of Iron Man or the Avengers before they hit the screen. That's the point. We are tapping into deeper material from the comic books and smartening up the audience's and knowledge to the industry that in this genre, Batman and Superman have clunked heads before. It's the filmakers duty and responsibility with these movies to broaden the audience's knowledge and open up their mindset to greater and better comic book adaption's and stories.

Comics aren't just for kids anymore and it's a great thing to differentiate yourselves from the competition to give us another side of superhero's and the stories that are takin' from them.

People view Batman as Adam West, not a middle-aged grumpy fat man in a bat suit. People view Superman as Christopher Reeve and "truth, justice and the American way", not a publicly ridiculed depressed alien.

Great! That's a good thing but a dark and realistic trilogy called the Dark Knight Trilogy, which 2 films of that trilogy hit 1 billion dollars world-wide might disagree with you there, Chief (you're reachin').

What did Nolan do? Bring a Frank Miller vibe back to the Dark Knight after the franchise was in cinema hell after Batman and Robin, which ironically, was in the jest of the Adam West years.

Now it's time to tap deeper than a 60's television show and a 1978 movie and make people realize these characters have much more depth and much more deeper and intelligent stories created where it will spring new life into the worlds perception of superhero's and be reintroduced to why they are iconic in the first place.

Either way, the movie is going to be a lot less impressive than what you all are hyping.

[verslibre]

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[YoungJRNYfan]

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[verslibre]

Guess which movie's post-credits scene just got leaked? Deliberate, maybe?

[YoungJRNYfan]

It's still way early for the IMAX event tonight and people are already 150+ people in. Management of the IMAX theaters says tickets sold out FAST and to get to the theater a good 2.5 hours beforehand or they'll turn you away from being full. And this is for a fucking teaser we've already saw. Fucking insane:

Got to my theater faster than I expected...I'm way earlier than I was planning...however I am #150 in line.

Management is dispursing the crowd...
Burbank
....getting a chance to get some breakfast

I just called my theater, for anyone going to the Houston location.
I talked with manager and she said a line won't be allowed to form until WB reps get there, and they'll get at theater around 6 most likely.

I just called the manager of my theater right now and said that it'd be wise to get there 2 1/2 hours at the most because he expects a full crowd. Passes went by FAST.

Time to head out soon.

[verslibre]

Saw your report on the other site. Sounds like good stuff. So you also got a free ticket for 3/2016?! Dayum.

[verslibre]

The extra trailer footage leaked!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CC2ypfUVIAAgC1Y.jpg:large

[YoungJRNYfan]

Check your PM

[Monker]

People are going to have to learn and accept that there are other Superman stories beyond the alien who acts like a Boy Scout, hence my remarks about spoonfeeding.

That's very arrogant for you to say but it sums up the discussion here. People don't "have to" do anything. They can simply reject these new films and watch their DVD's/blu-rays. Nobody can force people to pay for and watch something they are not interested in or care about.

DC has decided to skip allowing the audience to get to know these new versions of the characters and care about them. Instead they want to jump right into the conflict. If the audience doesn't know and care then there is no reason for them to buy a ticket.

One of you whined that Marvel is moving too fast...but both of you praise this. That is a double standard. When people ask why Batman and Superman are fighting it is not a sign that the trailer did its job. It is a sign that the audience doesn't know the characters well enough. Nobody cared about Avengers fighting each other because they knew the characters at that point and were ready to see such conflict.

You all may think this movie is the biggest thing ever...but reality is showing me it is going to be incredibly mediocre. There will probably be a large opening weekend when comic fans go...but I doubt it will ever sustain any success.

[verslibre]

People are going to have to learn and accept that there are other Superman stories beyond the alien who acts like a Boy Scout, hence my remarks about spoonfeeding.

That's very arrogant for you to say but it sums up the discussion here. People don't "have to" do anything. They can simply reject these new films and watch their DVD's/blu-rays.

That's right, the same way I'm going to treat these "new" Star Wars movies. I'm not interested in a movie about a mission to steal the Death Star plans.

One of you whined that Marvel is moving too fast...

No, I said they're jumping the gun on adapting Walt Simonson's 'Ragnarok' storyline when there are other Thor storylines they could showcase first, because something like 'Ragnarok' doesn't need to be butted up against 'Infinity War.' Since you never read any of these titles, I don't expect you to understand since you already think I'm being arrogant.

[YoungJRNYfan]

[YoungJRNYfan]

DC has decided to skip allowing the audience to get to know these new versions of the characters and care about them. Instead they want to jump right into the conflict. If the audience doesn't know and care then there is no reason for them to buy a ticket.

The conflict is already there. There was massive debates about Man of Steel and its destruction it left on Metropolis. People had LOUD voices about that. MoS was one of the most outspoken and debated superhero movie's to date from all the collateral damage done to the city and its casualties. They aren't jumping into the conflict. It's already there. BvS is the reaction to the conflict already in place.

Besides, what people aren't getting through their thick skulls is that this is the VERY first teaser and very first footage we've seen from the film. Marketing is just getting underway. There WILL be more shown in the coming months. There isn't even a plot synthesis released of the movie yet.

A teaser isn't to answer questions. It's to get people asking questions. The tease did its job. It didn't tell us everything and it's selling the Batman V Superman title. It got people asking why and it's the marketing duty to start piecing things together in the upcoming year. But the tease is a tease.

One of you whined that Marvel is moving too fast

Huh? When did I say that? Not sure if v did either. Marvel has been at this for a long time. If anything, they aren't moving too fast. I just stopped caring.

but both of you praise this.

I'm a DC fan. A Superman fan and I love the direction this is going in. It's the exact tone and type of personality and gravity I've always been into and always wanted to see if a DCUniverse took off. It's just my cup of tea. It doesn't have to be yours. DC is making their movies darker and to a specific audience. I respect that. It just so happens to be what I like when I prefer certain movies and genre's. I don't like every superhero ever made just because it's the genre. Tone is big for me.

When people ask why Batman and Superman are fighting it is not a sign that the trailer did its job.

Again, this wasn't the last trailer of the series for the marketing's last hurrah to get people in the seats. The movie is still 11 months away. It was a teaser to get people talking. A teaser sells the title of the movie. If people are asking why, then that means the teaser did its job because the titled film is called Batman V Superman. What we were shown is that Superman and Batman definitely have a problem with each other for unknown reasons. That's not for the trailer or teaser to answer.

Now, if the trailer showed them hugging and being best buddies, then it would have missed the mark and people would of been all like "It's called Batman V Superman and their friends! STUPID!" No. It got people to ask the right question. Now the next trailer should show more of the cast and their involvement to the plot.

You all may think this movie is the biggest thing ever...but reality is showing me it is going to be incredibly mediocre.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Snyder: Thank you to everyone who attended the event:

[verslibre]

^NICE. The Nolan suits were great, but for the cowl alone, that may be my favorite to date.

[YoungJRNYfan]

[YoungJRNYfan]

[YoungJRNYfan]

[Monker]

That's right, the same way I'm going to treat these "new" Star Wars movies. I'm not interested in a movie about a mission to steal the Death Star plans.

And, that's fine. The difference here is DC is catering to a small segment of the movie buying public in order to keep comic book fans happy...that's not a very smart plan.

No, I said they're jumping the gun on adapting Walt Simonson's 'Ragnarok' storyline when there are other Thor storylines they could showcase first, because something like 'Ragnarok' doesn't need to be butted up against 'Infinity War.' Since you never read any of these titles, I don't expect you to understand since you already think I'm being arrogant.

You said, "The "big picture" here entails rolling things out at a "fast food" clip. There's no slow roasting, the sauce doesn't get to reduce over hours, everything goes right into the deep fat fryer and comes out and gets served. That's the only way for them to make the third Thor film about Ragnarok (which should be 4-1/2 hours, if done properly, but it won't be). For guys like you who need Star Wars-level instant gratification, it's just right, I guess."

So, for guys like you who need your Batman and Superman to have a conflict, you need to take the film and put it into the deep fat fryer rather than develop these new versions of the characters over a couple films. You don't care about introducing the character and showing their new and unfamiliar character traits...what you want is BvS rolled out at a fast food paced clip and instant gratification.

What you are now arguing is a double standard, at best, and hypocrisy at worst.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The Ralphie May-sized moobs on the new Batsuit look ridiculous. I know the sight of Batman is supposed to inspire fear in his enemies, but this getup is clearly overcompensating for...something. Maybe it's the fact that Josh Brolin said "no" and now they are stuck with the C-list star of Gigli and Pearl Habor? The more I look at it, the more I am reminded of Jack Nicholson...

[YoungJRNYfan]

trekman:

John Campea and Shnep from AMC Theaters breaks this down very nicely:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syJWpa3-G0E

[verslibre]

The difference here is DC is catering to a small segment of the movie buying public in order to keep comic book fans happy...that's not a very smart plan.

You wrote yesterday that for generally everybody Superman remains Christopher Reeve and Batman remains Adam West. That means you either forgot or chose to exclude all the fans of Michael Keaton's Batman and Christian Bale's Batman — you know, that last trilogy everybody talked about, out of which two films crossed the one billion mark?

I'm glad Snyder is doing something different. If he played it safe and made a pastiche, people would criticize DC/WB for treading (overly) familiar ground. Do you know that movie Bryan Singer made, called Superman Returns? It's nearly ten years old now. That's exactly what you're saying they should do, only they already did it, and things didn't pan out. We have moved on. Bryan Singer made a Superman movie, with his lead (Routh) instructed to emulate Reeve, while another actor (Spacey) portrayed the same antagonist, Lex, with the same mannerisms as his predecessor (Hackman) in the 1978 film. The plot wasn't altogether that different, apart from the timeline, though there were different peripheral elements and supporting characters.

(Three different actors have played Banner/Hulk in as many films...no problem, right?)

Your saying something is amiss or not clearly outlined because the very first teaser doesn't spell everything out with wooden letter blocks is simply the result of bias.

No, I said they're jumping the gun on adapting Walt Simonson's 'Ragnarok' storyline when there are other Thor storylines they could showcase first, because something like 'Ragnarok' doesn't need to be butted up against 'Infinity War.' Since you never read any of these titles, I don't expect you to understand since you already think I'm being arrogant.

You said, "The "big picture" here entails rolling things out at a "fast food" clip. There's no slow roasting, the sauce doesn't get to reduce over hours, everything goes right into the deep fat fryer and comes out and gets served. That's the only way for them to make the third Thor film about Ragnarok (which should be 4-1/2 hours, if done properly, but it won't be). For guys like you who need Star Wars-level instant gratification, it's just right, I guess."

That's right, I said that, and I stand by it. The cards are on the table, and they're face up.

So, for guys like you who need your Batman and Superman to have a conflict, you need to take the film and put it into the deep fat fryer rather than develop these new versions of the characters over a couple films. You don't care about introducing the character and showing their new and unfamiliar character traits...what you want is BvS rolled out at a fast food paced clip and instant gratification.

No, you're merely engaging in wordplay. You can't take what I said about the 'Ragnarok' story and attribute it to BvS, which picks up directly after the events of MoS. You're doing what everyone else is doing, grilling DC and giving Marvel a Speedpass. Here's the gist of BvS: Batman and Superman have a problem with each other because the former sees the latter as a threat. There will be more to it than that. There are all sorts of rumors of additional villains and heroes (perhaps even Robin).

I think they're smart holding off on making another Batman origin film so soon after Nolan's bar-raising trilogy. Instead, Batman will likely surface in all of these movies and his presence will be a significant one. A Batman film is inevitable, but it may be a flashback origin as the Batman in BvS is slightly older than Bale's Batman. Superman has already been introduced. Wonder Woman will be introduced in BvS but her solo film is being developed and has a new director in Patty Jenkins (she's the director who left Thor: The Dark World during production). Aquaman and Cyborg will also have brief intros but there's no guarantee we will see them in action.

What you are now arguing is a double standard, at best, and hypocrisy at worst.

No, you're full of it. Here's something else you haven't touched: Black Widow is not an original Avenger in the comics, but is an original Avenger in the MCU. She was introduced in Iron Man 2 and she's been in three Marvel films — four, if you count Age of Ultron — and she's had no solo film. Why are you not complaining about that? Because you prefer what Marvel is doing, that's why.

[verslibre]

When people ask why Batman and Superman are fighting it is not a sign that the trailer did its job.

A trailer doth not spoil everything...a rule Marvel apparently has broken repeatedly with its AoU trailers, so I hear.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Marvelites are just mad that they can't grill DC for not having a direction anymore. Even with the contradicting criticism's and bias, DC rolled this movie out with a big middle finger to the haters and is not backing down how they are going to tone and build this world. It's a beautiful thing.

[YoungJRNYfan]

When people ask why Batman and Superman are fighting it is not a sign that the trailer did its job.

A trailer doth not spoil everything...a rule Marvel apparently has broken repeatedly with its AoU trailers, so I hear.

Exactly. Take for instance Jeremy Jahn's review of the Terminator trailer which, to him, revealed WAY too much:

Terminator Genisys trailer Shows WAY Too Much!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpSJwBkrmn4

His Batman V Superman teaser review:

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice teaser trailer review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhuMieISO14

[The_Noble_Cause]

Here's something else you haven't touched: Black Widow is not an original Avenger in the comics, but is an original Avenger in the MCU. She was introduced in Iron Man 2 and she's been in three Marvel films — four, if you count Age of Ultron — and she's had no solo film. Why are you not complaining about that? Because you prefer what Marvel is doing, that's why.

That's a dumb comparison. If Marvel had went ahead and followed up Iron Man 1 with "Black Widow vs. Iron Man" then you would have a point. That's essentially what DC/Warner is doing with BvS. Also, when Marvel introduced her in Iron Man 2, they weren't cynically copying someone else's playbook like DC/WB is. And Black Widow is not even in the same league as Batman. Choosing to insert a somewhat obscure character like her into the Marvel universe has very little net effect on Marvel's profits. Shoehorning a popular figure like Batman into a Man of Steel sequel, on the other hand...well, that strikes many as a desperate hail Mary creative pass (and no, a blink-and-miss-it Wayne Enterprises satellite Easter egg in MOS did NOT constitute exposition or character development). Personally, I think this movie is screwed, and I cannot wait to come back here and see YoungJrynyFan spinning like a dervish boasting of all the unaccounted-for bootleg DVD sales and the film's strong box office numbers in former Yugoslav republics.