Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

[YoungJRNYfan]

MoS2 was always scheduled to come after the next crop of films. BvS is done, Suicide Squad is moving into postproduction, Wonder Woman is in preproduction, and Justice League is written. Ben Affleck and Geoff Johns are writing The Batman.

So Hollywood is waiting until 2019/2020 to release a sequel to a 2013 film? Riiight. It's simply not happening.

What can they possibly do with a sequel to Man of Steel? BvS is a sequel to Man of Steel. They are taking every issue that happened in MoS and are addressing it in BvS.

Everyone is calling it "Man of Steel 2" or the "Man of Steel sequel" but the next Superman film is going to be the next solo film. The DCEU is one big story. By then, the next Superman film will address the prior movies and extend the story. BvS would of already came out, thus, propelling the character arc for Superman. Justice League would have come out, which furthers Superman's character arc. Wonder Woman would have came out, which extends the Superman character arc (assuming Superman will play a role and/or appearance.)

By the time we get to another solo, Superman and the story around him will be drastically different than what we see now. It'll be another phase of movies. Personally, I like "Superman: Last Son" for the next solo title. So many possibilities at this point.

Lets get to BvS first.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Check the source there, lmao. Denofgeek? That site is below-below the bottom of the trash can rumor sites. First of all, "permanent hold" makes absolutely no sense. They are even confused by what they are writing in that article. It's site click-bait running with a prior leak or story.

The article is barely more than a bloated tweet: "...another source has said that, as far as they understand it, the sequel is on "permanent hold."

"Another source." Total BS. They have no sources. :lol

Actually, Den of Geek (which shares its name with YoungJrnyFan's no-girls-allowed, circle jerk, tree fort) has been pretty accurate. Jeff Sneider of The Hollywood Wrap said the Miller/MOS 2 rumor was total bullshit as soon as it broke. You guys keep spinning. Just remember to keep your checkbook's handy.

[YoungJRNYfan]

MoS2 was always scheduled to come after the next crop of films. BvS is done, Suicide Squad is moving into postproduction, Wonder Woman is in preproduction, and Justice League is written. Ben Affleck and Geoff Johns are writing The Batman.

So Hollywood is waiting until 2019/2020 to release a sequel to a 2013 film? Riiight. It's simply not happening.

Superman isn't absent. You'll see him in: BvS (2016), Justice League (2017-2018) and who knows what else.

I wouldn't trust an article on Den of Geek reporting hearsay (which is more than likely false).

Cavill wouldn't role out an appearance for a sequel to SSquad. I know Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor was rumored to appear in SSquad as well and SSquad references Superman from their trailer. It's all going to be connected. To think Superman isn't going to be apart of it when he's already appeared in MoS; then BvS; then JL and then JL2 is laughable lol.

Zack Snyder has said without Superman there IS no Justice League. He is their tentpole. In the SSQuad trailer, you hear Waller say "Superman must have been the beacon for them to crawl from underneath the shadows" or something along those lines. Superman's role in the DCEU is huge. I mean, he IS one half of this little movie coming out called Batman V Superman. Lets not get it twisted.

[verslibre]

Just remember to keep your checkbook's handy.

I thought you told Monker we could keep our money.

[verslibre]

Actually, Den of Geek (which shares its name with YoungJrnyFan's no-girls-allowed, circle jerk, tree fort) has been pretty accurate. Jeff Sneider of The Hollywood Wrap said the Miller/MOS 2 rumor was total bullshit as soon as it broke. You guys keep spinning. Just remember to keep your checkbook's handy.

All these sites report from the same "source," with the exception of a guy called El Mayimbe, who purportedly must have some studio goons on his payroll.

[The_Noble_Cause]

What can they possibly do with a sequel to Man of Steel? BvS is a sequel to Man of Steel. They are taking every issue that happened in MoS and are addressing it in BvS.

"I wouldn’t call this a Superman sequel. This is Batman vs. Superman, so it’s a separate entity altogether. It’s introducing the Batman character, and expanding upon this universe, which was kicked off by Man of Steel." - some nobody named Henry Cavill.

This guy better stock up on sharpies. I foresee a long career ahead of him signing headshots at comic conventions in half empty banquet halls. Especially now that Man From Uncle took a shit.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Actually, Den of Geek (which shares its name with YoungJrnyFan's no-girls-allowed, circle jerk, tree fort) has been pretty accurate. Jeff Sneider of The Hollywood Wrap said the Miller/MOS 2 rumor was total bullshit as soon as it broke. You guys keep spinning. Just remember to keep your checkbook's handy.

All these sites report from the same "source," with the exception of a guy called El Mayimbe, who purportedly must have some studio goons on his payroll.

Yep. El Mayimbe is a dick lol, but he's pretty much the go-to source. SHHype hates him with a passion but he's either spot on, or close to the ball-park, but he twists it a lot.

Jon Shnepp from Collider and AMC Movie talk (director of the recent documentary of "Superman Lives") broke the news about George Miller directing MoS 2 . Shnepp is a trustworthy insider and didn't hesitate to say he "wasn't sorry" to break the news.

El Mayimbe claimed he was the one who told Shnepp of the Miller for MoS and confirmed his sources by saying that budget is being discussed right now. Den of Geek is a site that rides the 10 other sites coattails that already rode the other coattails of the said-rumor sites haha. It's crazy right now. Rumors are running wild.

[verslibre]

I'd say BvS is a chronological sequel to MoS the way Captain America: Civil War is a sequel to events in The Winter Soldier and the Avengers movies.

What Cavill meant is it isn't the [solo] Superman sequel, i.e. MoS2.

[YoungJRNYfan]

What can they possibly do with a sequel to Man of Steel? BvS is a sequel to Man of Steel. They are taking every issue that happened in MoS and are addressing it in BvS.

"I wouldn’t call this a Superman sequel. This is Batman vs. Superman, so it’s a separate entity altogether. It’s introducing the Batman character, and expanding upon this universe, which was kicked off by Man of Steel. - some nobody named Henry Cavill.

This guy better stock up on sharpies. I foresee a long career ahead of him signing headshots at comic conventions in half empty banquet halls. Especially now that Man From Uncle took a shit.

Cavill: "There's a big plan in place at WB for the whole DC franchise. So, all of this stuff ties in. They're not thinking from movie to movie, they're thinking from a big tent pole type thing and each story has its own story, which is attached to the major issue. Yeah, there's a big plan."

So, it's a direct reference to what happened in Man of Steel.

Cavill: "You'll see a lot of that."

Armie Hammer: "I was wondering about that in the trailer! I was like, that is a big building that just got chopped in half. And that's from Man of Steel?"

Cavill: "That's when Zod loses his mind and can't control his heat vision and blasts everything out."

[verslibre]

Jon Shnepp from Collider and AMC Movie talk (director of the recent documentary of "Superman Lives") broke the news about George Miller directing MoS 2 . Shnepp is a trustworthy insider and didn't hesitate to and said he "wasn't sorry" to break the news.

El Mayimbe claimed he was the one who told Shnepp of the Miller for MoS and confirmed his sources by saying that budget is being discussed right now. Den of Geek is a site that rides the 10 other sites coattails that already rode the other coattails of the said-rumor sites haha. It's crazy right now. Rumors are running wild.

It was either DC Movies Talk or Schmoes Know (both film in the same studio) that had El Mayimbe in the studio with them. Smug as hell. I had to kill the webcast when he started saying too much shit I'd rather not know at this point in time.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Just remember to keep your checkbook's handy.

I thought you told Monker we could keep our money.

We can use it for strippers in my tree fort.

[verslibre]

Just remember to keep your checkbook's handy.

I thought you told Monker we could keep our money.

We can use it for strippers in my tree fort.

Double-couponing Pringles FTW!

[verslibre]

Yep. El Mayimbe is a dick lol, but he's pretty much the go-to source. SHHype hates him with a passion

"El Maybe."

[YoungJRNYfan]

Double-couponing Pringles FTW!

I got Red and Blue Koolaid, too! Always cold just incase I have non-female visitors!

[YoungJRNYfan]

Yep. El Mayimbe is a dick lol, but he's pretty much the go-to source. SHHype hates him with a passion

"El Maybe."

Lmao, I love that place. Soon, I'll be just coming in and out occasionally once things ramp up. Spoiler-city over there.

[verslibre]

Double-couponing Pringles FTW!

I got Red and Blue Koolaid, too! Always cold just incase I have non-female visitors!

Jerky! Jack Link's!

[verslibre]

Yep. El Mayimbe is a dick lol, but he's pretty much the go-to source. SHHype hates him with a passion

"El Maybe."

Lmao, I love that place. Soon, I'll be just coming in and out occasionally once things ramp up. Spoiler-city over there.

NO kidding. I haven't been there in the last two weeks save a couple instances, but I only looked in the box office thread. Too dangerous.

[Monker]

Spider-Man's about to appear in the MCU for the first time in Civil War. In and out. The next movie, which is yet another reboot, isn't an origin movie. That doesn't seem to bother you.

I just don't care. Spiderman was not able to be in the MCU until just recently. I would have loved to see him take a larger part in Civil War, but he was available too late. Seeing him at all is a good thing. His origin story has been told twice in recent years...in very, very popular movies...they don't need to retell it.

Black Panther plays a significant role in Civil War, but his solo/origin/debut film comes afterward.

Nobody outside of comic book nerds knows who he is. So, it makes no difference.

To say I should critique this move by Marvel because I critique the storytelling of BvS is either elevating Black Panther to the level of Superman and Batman, or lowering Superman and Batman to Black Panther's third string level. Comparing those characters makes as much sense as your comparisons between Black Widow and Wonder Woman.

The MCU is ending phase two after a dozen or so films. DC hasn't really even started their phase 1. To jump in with a 'new' oldish and angry Batman that nobody knows makes no sense. So, they have to EXPLAIN IT outside of the movie. My point is, and will always be, that character perspective would have been better explained in a solo film prior to BvS. Now we have the director and cast explaining why Batman is all pissy. Show, don't Tell. That is basic storytelling. They have so much backstory and character development to cram into one move, it's going to turn into a huge mess. It's a good thing so many DC fans just want to see the big superhero fight and WW's skin and don't really care much about true story telling.

you've condemned BvS and Suicide Squad before you've seen either.

Yes, I am critical of the storytelling of BvS. And, the more I learn about SS, the more it seems like the worst "superhero" movie ever made. Move over Elektra, here comes your replacement. It looks HORRIBLE.

And you don't want to see Fury Road...your loss, buddy.

No, my savings of the $10 ticket that was better spent elsewhere.

[verslibre]

No, my savings of the $10 ticket that was better spent elsewhere.

Good sale on Ramen that week, no doubt.

[verslibre]

Show, don't Tell. That is basic storytelling.

That's what they're gonna do: show you. Watch the movie. Don't worry, it'll make sense. This isn't Antman 1-2-3.

Oh, wait, in THAT movie they had to explain why there was a "previous Ant-Man," who in turn was sanctioning an ex-con to undertake a mission as his "new Ant-Man."

It worked out just fine.

And, the more I learn about SS, the more it seems like the worst "superhero" movie ever made. Move over Elektra, here comes your replacement. It looks HORRIBLE.

Judging by the trailer's 75 million views, quite a few people disagree.

[Monker]

No, my savings of the $10 ticket that was better spent elsewhere.

Good sale on Ramen that week, no doubt.

I don't remember what movie I saw instead. Jurassic World? Even "Inside Out" or "Minions" would have been money better spent.

[verslibre]

I don't remember what movie I saw instead. Jurassic World? Even "Inside Out" or "Minions" would have been money better spent.

Jurassic World made a lot of money but it isn't a pimple on "Mad" Max Rockatansky's ass.

When you watch the movie on DVD or On Demand, which I know you will, you'll see how wrong you are in your assumption that it sucks.

[YoungJRNYfan]

I don't remember what movie I saw instead. Jurassic World? Even "Inside Out" or "Minions" would have been money better spent.

Jurassic World made a lot of money but it isn't a pimple on "Mad" Max Rockatansky's ass.

When you watch the movie on DVD or On Demand, which I know you will, you'll see how wrong you are in your assumption that it sucks.

I'm licking my chops for Fury Road to come out on BluRay! Universally around the net, Max got insanely raving reviews across the board. A movie that takes it up another notch from a directional standpoint but at the same time, doing things the old fashioned way. A perfect blend for cinema eye-candy. Can't wait.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Speaking of Elektra, I mean Suicide Squad:


Margot Robbie Recalls Losing FANTASTIC FOUR Role And 'Joker' Scaring Her On SUICIDE SQUAD

"I didn't really resonate with the script, and I haven't seen the movie, so I don't really know how it turned out different from the page," said Margot Robbie of Fox's Marvel reboot which flopped both critically and at the box office. "But I had a great meeting with the director (Trank) and I really enjoyed that. I guess it's part of the game: sometime you win some, sometimes you lose some."

Despite losing that superheroine role to Kate Mara, Margot Robbie said she's happy to be entering the comic book movie world with Suicide Squad, and with Jared Leto. "What he's doing with the character is so cool," she said of his "pretty impressive" performance. ""At first it was kind of confronting (to be up close , but now I'm so used to it, I think if I ever saw him out of makeup now I would be really confused. Actually, I saw him out of makeup once and I was actually petrified of him. I was too scared to go up and didn't know who that person was, and when he got back into his makeup I was far more comfortable." She added, "The one common denominator is we're all bad guys, it just makes everything more fun that way. The scenes are more interesting I feel, when you just don't know how the characters are going to react, especially with Harley, who's absolutely nuts… she's either going to kill you or laugh and give you a hug."

^AWESOME!

[verslibre]

Despite losing that superheroine role to Kate Mara

I.E. LOSING NOTHING!

A movie hasn't bombed that hard critically AND commercially since Adventures of Pluto Nash.

She's just too classy to say it out loud.

[verslibre]

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/5-Major-DC-Villains-Movies-Still-Haven-t-Used-Yet-79227.html

Prime picks:

While Black Manta would work as a simple mercenary, the film would also be wise to incorporate their past history from Geoff Johns’ Aquaman run. In one of their early encounters, Black Manta attacked Aquaman’s father, so understandably he later retaliated back, but this resulted in him accidentally killing Black Manta’s father, instead.

Even if Superman doesn’t get another solo adventure, Brainiac is powerful enough that he could take on the entire Justice League, although we actually have our eye on someone else to fight the famed superhero team…

The one I most want to see, of course:

While his main beef has been with the New Gods, Darkseid’s mission is to control the entire universe, which he believes he can accomplish by solving the Anti-Life Equation. It’s this mission that frequently pits him against Superman and the rest of the Justice League, and despite his extraordinary powers (including his target-seeking Omega Beams), Earth’s heroes have been able to keep him at bay many times, though not without sacrifice. This a baddie that’s begging to be adapted for the DCCU, and he shouldn’t fight just one hero; he needs to fight all the major ones...

[Monker]

Show, don't Tell. That is basic storytelling.

That's what they're gonna do: show you. Watch the movie. Don't worry, it'll make sense. This isn't Antman 1-2-3.

Oh, wait, in THAT movie they had to explain why there was a "previous Ant-Man," who in turn was sanctioning an ex-con to undertake a mission as his "new Ant-Man."

It worked out just fine.

And, the more I learn about SS, the more it seems like the worst "superhero" movie ever made. Move over Elektra, here comes your replacement. It looks HORRIBLE.

Judging by the trailer's 75 million views, quite a few people disagree.

Oh, please. Judging by the lack of commentary in this forum to the reaction to the trailer - I am very much in the right. The only ones who went ga-ga over it were comic book nerds. Well, correction, DC comic book nerds.

Ant-Man - It's a stupid concept for a "superhero". The may as well have revived "Howard the Duck". I never had any hope for that movie from the start.

From the Turkey City Lexicon (https://www.sfwa.org/2009/06/turkey-cit ... workshops/):
Show, not Tell

A cardinal principle of effective writing. The reader should be allowed to react naturally to the evidence presented in the story, not instructed in how to react by the author. Specific incidents and carefully observed details will render auctorial lectures unnecessary. For instance, instead of telling the reader “She had a bad childhood, an unhappy childhood,” a specific incident — involving, say, a locked closet and two jars of honey — should be shown.

Whether you choose to admit it or not, the very fact that so many people have to tell the public why Batman is so pissy is a very bad sign that too much crap is crammed into this movie. People have a certain image of Batman already framed in their heads...a sorta misunderstood vigilante, or a campy dude that says "POW!" and "BAM!" whenever he hits someone. Attempting to change that mindset within one movie where so much else is going on is foolish, at best.

They should have done something like a movie for Arkham Knight. Here Batman is fighting the fact that his DNA is turning him into the Joker, and fighting repeated exposure to Scarecrow's fear gas...which helps the Joker come out even more (in a very cool Scorpius/Harvey sorta way). Since he is turning into the Joker, Robin wants to lock him up...so he locks up Robin instead. Then, along the way, the Joker forces him to witness Jason Todd's story in Joker's hands and his death by Joker shooting him...and Batman being blamed for all of it. Then reliving Barbara Gordan being shot by the Joker and paralyzed. Then watching Barbara Gordan/Oracle being killed and he's to blame, the Commissioner feeling he betrayed his family and turning against him, finding out the Arkham Knight is really Jason Todd who feels quickly replaced and abandoned by him (the Joker/Harvey lied about the death, and the death of Barbara/Oracle). In the end, he is exposed as Bruce Wayne by Scarecrow so he is no longer even able to hide behind his mask. This causes him to want to give the cowl to Azrael, who has to earn it first.

After going through all of that, and still defeating Scarecrow...I can understand Batman being all pissy at Superman after his building was zapped by Zod and whoever inside that he knew died. But, THIS Batman doesn't exist in BvS. The Batman who exists in the movies is just a misunderstood vigilante...and no amount of explanation by Snyder, or whomever will change that. Too bad, but that's the truth.

[Monker]

I don't remember what movie I saw instead. Jurassic World? Even "Inside Out" or "Minions" would have been money better spent.

Jurassic World made a lot of money but it isn't a pimple on "Mad" Max Rockatansky's ass.

When you watch the movie on DVD or On Demand, which I know you will, you'll see how wrong you are in your assumption that it sucks.

I didn't say it sucks. I said I have no interest in seeing it. Just like I had no interest in seeing the Halloween remake a few years ago. Or, the Evil Dead movie a few years ago.

Jurassic World...even though Michael Crichton isn't around any longer, I'd rather watch something that was inspired by him then a bunch of Aussie's in the dessert who like to mod cars and drive fast.

And, no, I won't watch it on DVD or on demand. I'll watch it when it is on Spike TV, maybe.

[verslibre]

Jurassic World...even though Michael Crichton isn't around any longer, I'd rather watch something that was inspired by him then a bunch of Aussie's in the dessert who like to mod cars and drive fast.

If you think Mad Max: Fury Road is "Fast & Furious in the desert" and nothing more, where were you for the other three movies circa 1979-1987? Glued to the TV set for rerun marathons of Far Out Space Nuts?

[verslibre]

Judging by the lack of commentary in this forum to the reaction to the trailer - I am very much in the right. The only ones who went ga-ga over it were comic book nerds. Well, correction, DC comic book nerds.

The nerd calling a nerd a "nerd" trope.

It's utterly hilarious how you're using "this forum" — not a comics/CBM forum, and barely more than a Journey worship forum — as some kind of barometer by which to gauge enthusiasm for a movie — any movie. I've already told you how large the memberships of other forums are, especially SHH, not to mention the size of an event like CCI in San Diego (and the New York Comic Con is right behind it in terms of attendance), the biggest of its kind in North America. But you like to stick your fingers in your ears, doing the La La La La La La La La I can't hear you! dance. I guess it works for you well enough. That must be one cold, damp bedroom you lurk within, the only part of you getting a tan being your corneas. You may want to reduce the glare.

But, THIS Batman doesn't exist in BvS. The Batman who exists in the movies is just a misunderstood vigilante...

What he, more or less, HAS ALWAYS BEEN.

The best Batman stories are the ones where fear is his primary weapon. His weaponry and vehicles are secondary.

The best Batman stories are the ones where he isn't "a nice guy." Batman is not Spider-Man. Batman is not Superman. Batman isn't The Punisher, either, but that's because he's always been about justice.