Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

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http://heroicuniverse.com/man-of-steel-sequel-is-not-on-permanent-hold/

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http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Wonder-Woman-May-Shoot-Exotic-Location-80247.html

Basilicata encompasses a slew of territories, including the ancient city of Mattera, where films like the Biblical epics Ben Hur and Pasolini were filmed. While plot details on the film are unknown at this time, the exotic locale, which also includes lush seaside locations, are perfect for Themyscira, the home island of Wonder Woman.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Highly looking forward to Max Landis's take on his Superman series coming out in a few months. Superman: American Alien (also Neal Adams is coming out with a story called "Coming of the Supermen" (that's what she said lol.)

I missed news of this. What does Landis' take entail?

Yeah, The Dark Knight: TMR is going to be nuts.

Landis's take is original and takes his story in places nobody went before. His story focus's on Clark Kent and the big moments he's had in his life. It's going to be a seven issue mini-series detailing these moments and has a wide range from college parties, hanging with girls, getting arrested, his journey to Earth and so on. Some are hilarious tales, some are tragic and some are the things we've already known. It's going to be a fun and creative series.






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[verslibre]

^Poor Clark. He got some guy's blood on him.

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http://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/aquaman-how-jason-momoa-will-make-this-dc-hero-cool-again.html/?ref=YF

[The_Noble_Cause]

http://heroicuniverse.com/man-of-steel-sequel-is-not-on-permanent-hold/

At least Den of Geek cited anonymous sources for their scoop and has been right in the past. This site simply claims that MOS2 isn't cancelled because it "doesn't pass the smell test." Yea okaaay. It's understandable that these guys would have a compromised sense of smell when they are purveyors of total bullshit.

[Monker]

http://heroicuniverse.com/man-of-steel-sequel-is-not-on-permanent-hold/

At least Den of Geek cited anonymous sources for their scoop and has been right in the past. This site simply claims that MOS2 isn't cancelled because it "doesn't pass the smell test." Yea okaaay. It's understandable that these guys would have a compromised sense of smell when they are purveyors of total bullshit.

I would think that any DC film scheduled after 2017 is "on the bubble". If these first films do not meet expectations, there is no reason to keep beating a dead horse. BvS is certainly guaranteed a 'hit'...but it may not 'hit' as big as the studio would like.. SS isn't guaranteed shit. If SS and one or two others don't deliver, I would think they are going to start cutting out some of these films. If they do hit, and they gather some momentum, then they can afford to take risks and have some non-performers...just as Marvel has. Ant-Man is a good example of that. On the positive side, so was Guardians of the Galaxy.

It's easy to believe the propaganda that says they are putting MoS off until after the other solo films for story reasons. But, it makes more sense to not give a go ahead when they may have to cut some things out.

[verslibre]

SS isn't guaranteed shit. If SS and one or two others don't deliver, I would think they are going to start cutting out some of these films.

If Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman make money on the level of the first Captain America and Thor films, things will be just fine. They'll make more, though. Suicide Squad is not a mega-budget film and it has quite a few people excited for it.

If they do hit, and they gather some momentum, then they can afford to take risks and have some non-performers...just as Marvel has. Ant-Man is a good example of that. On the positive side, so was Guardians of the Galaxy.

Ant-Man was completed out of self-obligation. That thing emerged a troubled beast from a very long incubation period. Edgar Wright began working on it in 2006, and had done something like three drafts (at least) by 2011 without filming a scrap of footage. Some of what he did film made it into the movie, but the entire last third has that "stock" Marvel feel to it. They didn't expect it to make waves, but it has the lowest budget ever for a MCU movie, they wanted to get it over with. It should have been Hank Pym, not Scott Lang, but that's a whole other platter.

[YoungJRNYfan]

http://heroicuniverse.com/man-of-steel-sequel-is-not-on-permanent-hold/

SS isn't guaranteed shit.

Judging by the "lack of activity" in the Marvel thread on Melodicrock, neither is Captain America: Civil War. Depending on the activity in there and the lack of feedback in that thread, Civil War should bring in just a little under Tranks F4ntasitc Four-percent numbers

[YoungJRNYfan]

http://heroicuniverse.com/man-of-steel-sequel-is-not-on-permanent-hold/

At least Den of Geek cited anonymous sources for their scoop and has been right in the past. This site simply claims that MOS2 isn't cancelled because it "doesn't pass the smell test." Yea okaaay. It's understandable that these guys would have a compromised sense of smell when they are purveyors of total bullshit.

I agree with this. It's just a fan editorial article. The points made in that article are well documented here. If logic prevails, Mos2 is going to get made. There's a lot of deciding factors still yet to play out in coming up with that story, though. The DCEU is a tentpool movie-slate. Each movie will parade off the other but still have their own sense of individuality. WB and DC are going to allow their other hero's to have the spotlight after BvS as far as solo's go. After that, the Superman/Batman ongoing films will be inserted.

As for DenofGeek, don't give them too much credit in patting themselves on the back. They are a bottom of the garbage rumor site. Those "rumors" or "scoops" or "sources" are copied from other rumored sites and industry buffoons like El-Maybe. El-Maybe is the top dawg in these types of reports; reports DenofGeek steal and claim their own sources. El-Maybe confirmed Miller is in talks and wants to direct Superman. He always did. He was spotted on the set of SSquad talking to DC editorial. Negotiations are still on-going. It's still 50/50 on what the agreement is going to be.

A lot can happen with these films in the pipeline. It will be way more clear after BvS; SSquad and definitely Wonder Woman and Justice League. The story will be in full affect for the creators to map out their version of the ongoing story Snyder has set in place.

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SS isn't guaranteed shit.

Judging by the "lack of activity" in the Marvel thread on Melodicrock, neither is Captain America: Civil War. Depending on the activity in there and the lack of feedback in that thread, Civil War should bring in just a little under Tranks F4ntasitc Four-percent numbers

Oh, snap!

[Deb]

http://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/aquaman-how-jason-momoa-will-make-this-dc-hero-cool-again.html/?ref=YF

Thank you. Yep that's the one I'm looking forward to,

[verslibre]

Btw, I did watch Road to Paloma. Abrupt ending, but a cool movie nonetheless.

[verslibre]

The DCEU Flash may look something like this:

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DK III: The Master Race #1 variant cover revealed: http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/DK3-CUSTOM-CVR-a06c9.jpg

[The_Noble_Cause]

Age of Ultron was soo half-assed to me that I really have little interest in Civil War. WB is clearly taking their time with Bats vs Supes and I think they are going to deliver in a major way.

[Monker]

Judging by the "lack of activity" in the Marvel thread on Melodicrock, neither is Captain America: Civil War. Depending on the activity in there and the lack of feedback in that thread, Civil War should bring in just a little under Tranks F4ntasitc Four-percent numbers

Of course it's not guaranteed anything.

But, SS has had a ton of critique from the time Leto was cast, and elevated even further after the reveals of his version of the Joker. Also, IMO, SS has not been able to garner much excitement outside of comic book nerds.

And, the bubble may start to burst for superhero films in general....if that happens Civil War will suffer a bit more than BvS because Marvel has been doing this for so long. However, that may mean that BvS won't be the HUGE hit you two think it is going to be...and SS may be completely ignored and go over worse then Ant Man.

Then there is the fact that next summer is as packed with films as it always has been....and SS sits at the end of summer. Guardians of the Galaxy may have made it in that position, but SS is not guaranteed to repeat that - in fact, IMO, it is a LOT less likely to do so since it has received so much critique.

[YoungJRNYfan]

You're speaking largely in hypothetical. Not sure why you continue to honor your glass half empty approach. Realistically, these films aren't going to suffer anytime soon and aren't showing signs of slowing down.

v and myself said it numerous times over these last couple of years when the time BvS was announced. We said it over and over that by the time BvS will hit, people will be ready to see something different. This DCEU may have an ounce of the same audience who enjoy Marvel and comic book movies alike, but it will cater to an entirely different audience and who knows, maybe a portion of Marvel's audience interested in seeing somebody's grass on the other side of the fence. It's Batman. It's Superman. It's already been years in the making. It's not going to falter by any means. The time to be different is NOW.

Still not sure if you're still cherrypicking on Suicide Squad. The only criticism was ages ago when the first pic of Leto surfaced. That's it. Just like everything else, once more and more information, details and photo's emerged, peaked interest in the film has actually skyrocketed all over social media.

After the SSquad trailer hit, the loudest things being heard about is how heavy and different the film seems to be, and it is. SSquad could be something so drastically unconditional that it could be the one overall that will win over most people's hearts from a pure creative side of things. It sure is shaping up to be that way with the film. Comic book movies and...hell.. anything released nowadays is no stranger to INTENSE criticism. It's basically the norm we now live in with movie making but there's PLENTY of positivity to go around that speaks volumes...SSquad included. No need to refuse what is clearly there.

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IMO, it is a LOT less likely to do so since it has received so much critique.

I forget, where's the "so much critique" you keep referencing? The trailer's got more views than BvS.

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The Batmobile arrives at the WB Studio Tour. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KKEUYr-A2A&feature=youtu.be

[Monker]

You're speaking largely in hypothetical.

And, your post I replied to was sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek attempt at humor, and passive aggressive. So, I really don't feel much need to justify it other then, "IMO".

Realistically, these films aren't going to suffer anytime soon and aren't showing signs of slowing down.

Realistically, all bubbles burst at some point. A summer of three movies by Marvel and DC seems like a good time for that shark to have jumped....a good time to skip one, or more, of those in favor of something like Independence Day...which is probably what I'll do.

v and myself said it numerous times over these last couple of years when the time BvS was announced. We said it over and over that by the time BvS will hit, people will be ready to see something different. This DCEU may have an ounce of the same audience who enjoy Marvel and comic book movies alike, but it will cater to an entirely different audience and who knows, maybe a portion of Marvel's audience interested in seeing somebody's grass on the other side of the fence. It's Batman. It's Superman. It's already been years in the making. It's not going to falter by any means. The time to be different is NOW.

And, I have said, over and over again, that "something different" is NOT what people want. You may believe it is. DC may believe it is. The "people" may even believe it. But, the psychological FACT is - THEY DON'T.

What you also do not understand is DC is ABSOLUTELY going for a chunk of the same audience that Marval has catered to. If they don't, they will end up selling tickets only to those who bought into "Watchmen". Marvel grabbed a general audience, not just a genre audience. For DC to have a chance at creating a successful universe, they will need that same general appeal. That is not a "portion" of Marvel's audience, but the majority.

Still not sure if you're still cherrypicking on Suicide Squad. The only criticism was ages ago when the first pic of Leto surfaced. That's it. Just like everything else, once more and more information, details and photo's emerged, peaked interest in the film has actually skyrocketed all over social media.

Oh, please. That really means absolutely nothing. Again, "Snakes on a Plane".

After the SSquad trailer hit, the loudest things being heard about is how heavy and different the film seems to be, and it is. SSquad could be something so drastically unconditional that it could be the one overall that will win over most people's hearts from a pure creative side of things. It sure is shaping up to be that way with the film. Comic book movies and...hell.. anything released nowadays is no stranger to INTENSE criticism. It's basically the norm we now live in with movie making but there's PLENTY of positivity to go around that speaks volumes...SSquad included. No need to refuse what is clearly there.

SS looks ridiculous. The Joker looks ridiculous. The teaser simply looks weird and stupid. As far as I can tell, it will only attract a genre audience and sell about as well as Ant-Man or "The Watchmen". THAT is the audience it is attracting...and nothing beyond.

[YoungJRNYfan]

And, your post I replied to was sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek attempt at humor, and passive aggressive. So, I really don't feel much need to justify it other then, "IMO".

Sorry I didn't pick up on it, dude. Your humor is as dry as cat tongue.

Realistically, all bubbles burst at some point.

Yeah, but not right now. Or anytime soon for that matter.

And, I have said, over and over again, that "something different" is NOT what people want. You may believe it is. DC may believe it is. The "people" may even believe it. But, the psychological FACT is - THEY DON'T.

Since Marvel has put out so many films up to this point and with the genre entering peak levels, having an alternative is crucial and key. When WB was flying high with their tone with TDKTrilogy, Iron Man was "something different" and the alternative to that trilogy and TDK. The same is happening here. With Marvel having the luxury to pump out their universe, WB has stayed their course and are giving us back the other alternative to the genre that people ever-so-loved. And it's not just superhero movies with WB. WB is a studio that likes the darker tone; more serious directions in ALL their films. It's nothing new. It's nothing different.

It's a cycle.

What you also do not understand is DC is ABSOLUTELY going for a chunk of the same audience that Marval has catered to.

DC is NOT catering to the same casual audience. The audience is set in place as far as the fans of these movies and specific character's such as Batman and Superman are concerned...and that's a huge scale in itself. Marvel caters to the pop-corn, high frequent bubblegum children audience. WB? Not so much. They are way more adult but as I said, WB is known for this in every movie genre they put out on a yearly slate. They tried the Marvel-way with Green Lantern. It wasn't a good fit. DC's tone in this cinematic universe works for them and will continue to work for them.

If they don't, they will end up selling tickets only to those who bought into "Watchmen".

Or the Dark Knight. Batman's back in this universe and Affleck's fan support has gone through the roof since his casting. Not only that, but a divisive Superman reboot delved into something we've never seen before with the character ("but..but..it wasn't Christopher Reeve!") and the movie still brought in close to $700 mil WW with top home theater sales. Those audiences are colliding; an audience FAR bigger than "Watchmen", who MANY deemed an impossibility. Stop getting the two confused. They aren't one and the same.

Marvel grabbed a general audience, not just a genre audience. For DC to have a chance at creating a successful universe, they will need that same general appeal. That is not a "portion" of Marvel's audience, but the majority.

And we will get that once more hero's in the DC library hit the stage. Just wait until the all powerful FEMALE audience hits with Wonder Woman. Yes, all powerful FEMALE audience..something Marvel is clearly ashamed of.

Oh, please. That really means absolutely nothing. Again, "Snakes on a Plane".

I assure you, it means WAY more than the amount of feedback on Melodicrock.com

SS looks ridiculous. The Joker looks ridiculous. The teaser simply looks weird and stupid.

As far as I can tell, it will only attract a genre audience

You're honestly going to compare SSquad to Ant-Man as far as audience is concerned? You're high. Would you compare BvS as the same audience as Ant-Man? No, but who do we see knifing the top of Joker's car in SSQuad's trailer?

You know what other audience it's going to attract? The Bat-Universe. The Nolan-ites. Batman, HANDS DOWN, has THEE best rogues gallery in ALL of comics and Suicide Squad is Batman related. SSquad is also a take on an all-villain story as leads. It's an innovative stance to the CBM and it's something that proves vital to the DCEU.

Take ALL of Marvels villains wrapped into one and Leto's Joker is going to wipe the floor with them. Take the same audience who went to the "Marvel's funniest movie yet" to SSquad and you're going to have a lot of runny; shitty diapers. SSquad will have humor in it. It comes with the territory with Harley Quinn or Joker but not in the same vein as Ant-Man. No way in hell. That is an swing and a whiff comparison.

and sell about as well as Ant-Man or "The Watchmen".

What does it matter, as long as WB keeps a realistic number to be content with. WB/DC seems to think differently than their competition as far as universe's are concerned. From tone all the way down to how they treat their directors. I mean, Disney labeled AGE OF ULTRON a failure. A 1.5 billion dollar movie. The arrow is pointing up for the DCEU. They got the right people in place.

[verslibre]

The only villain of Marvel's (Winter Soldier is an antihero who becomes a hero, he doesn't count) who can get anywhere near DC's is Loki, and that's largely due to Tom Hiddleston. After The Dark World took home the trophy for "worst overall MCU entry," it's no surprise they'll make the next movie (which doesn't come out until 2017, LOL) an extremely Loki-centric one.

And yes, Suicide Squad absolutely draws on the Batverse. Jared Leto. Margot Robbie. Will Smith. Some other reasonably well-known names, too. Directed by David Ayer. The buzz is just going to get bigger. The teaser-trailer's awesome.*



*IN MY OPINION.

[verslibre]

What you also do not understand is DC is ABSOLUTELY going for a chunk of the same audience that Marval has catered to. If they don't, they will end up selling tickets only to those who bought into "Watchmen". Marvel grabbed a general audience, not just a genre audience. For DC to have a chance at creating a successful universe, they will need that same general appeal. That is not a "portion" of Marvel's audience, but the majority.

Last I checked, The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises generally appealed to a shitload of people.

[YoungJRNYfan]

The only villain of Marvel's (Winter Soldier is an antihero who becomes a hero, he doesn't count) who can get anywhere near DC's is Loki, and that's largely due to Tom Hiddleston. After The Dark World took home the trophy for "worst overall MCU entry," it's no surprise they'll make the next movie (which doesn't come out until 2017, LOL) an extremely Loki-centric one.

You know my stance on Thor: TDW. It's the equivalent to what Batman and Robin was to the Batman franchise in comparison to my interest in the MCU. I never went back since other than Guardians of the Galaxy.

I said it before that Loki was the ONLY aspect of TDW that prevented me from taking a pocket knife to then disc. If the next film is Loki centric then I'd revisit it. Loki is the only worthy villain in the entire MCU run.

[YoungJRNYfan]

The Rock just called out Henry Cavill ' s Superman on Twitter. He hash tagged it with "BlackAdamIGTKSITD." In which it supposedly means "Black Adam is going to kick Superman in the dick."

There was a thread on CB recources on going out of the box for the next Supes film. I mentioned I would love the next Supes film to pit him against ShaZam! (Kingdom Come style) where they would be a gateway to Black Adam and the Shazam movie.

I'd freakin love that direction. The Rock did recently say we'll be getting his Black Adam sooner than expected. It would make sense since Billy Batson and the Kal go hand in hand. Plus, Superman has a weakness to magic. That would be a good showdown.

[verslibre]

You know my stance on Thor: TDW. It's the equivalent to what Batman and Robin was to the Batman franchise in comparison to my interest in the MCU. I never went back since other than Guardians of the Galaxy.

I said it before that Loki was the ONLY aspect of TDW that prevented me from taking a pocket knife to then disc. If the next film is Loki centric then I'd revisit it. Loki is the only worthy villain in the entire MCU run.

Yeah, apart from Kurse, who doesn't require complex writing to do what he does, there are things in the movie that make no sense. The final battle is so flat you could serve pizza on it. I liked the dimension tripping, but I didn't get why all-powerful Malekith still got his ass kicked when he got the f'in Aether that was supposed to turn him into somebody who could wipe his rear with Thanos. *shrug*

The Rock just called out Henry Cavill ' s Superman on Twitter. He hash tagged it with "BlackAdamIGTKSITD." In which it supposedly means "Black Adam is going to kick Superman in the dick."

There was a thread on CB recources on going out of the box for the next Supes film. I mentioned I would love the next Supes film to pit him against ShaZam! (Kingdom Come style) where they would be a gateway to Black Adam and the Shazam movie.

I'd freakin love that direction. The Rock did recently say we'll be getting his Black Adam sooner than expected. It would make sense since Billy Batson and the Kal go hand in hand. Plus, Superman has a weakness to magic. That would be a good showdown.

Oh, damn. It has begun! Getting The Rock to play Black Adam was a genius move. He's one of the biggest stars in the world. That might be the onscreen melée to end all onscreen melees.

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[YoungJRNYfan]

Some of my buddies said they finally saw the BvS Empire magazine on the shelves. Going to check it out tonight.