Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

[Monker]

Par for Marvel's course. I enjoyed the movie, but nothing more than a good date movie with my wife. I liked what they did with the whole intergalactic teammup, but I walked out once the dance-off started. Too much for me to handle. Cringe worthy indeed.

LOL...in the film we just had seen after scene of drama, including a failed attempt at killing Ronan, and Groot's death. So, they lightened it up. It fit perfectly into the story....and the outtake where Ronan starts dancing too is absolutely hilarious.

You are being way too nit-picky. Many more people went back for a second or third viewing then walked out like you.

[verslibre]

Right now, the only decent series on the channel is Dark Matter

Z Nation rocks. It's not overly concerned with being the Gone With The Wind of zombapoc dramas and it's not afraid to cross the line into the absurd.

[verslibre]

You are being way too nit-picky. Many more people went back for a second or third viewing then walked out like you.

A lot of people claim Iron Man 3 is a bitchin' movie when it's really a steaming pile. Some people are much easier to satisfy than others, which is why a movie like Ant-Man plays it so safe.

[Monker]

Zack Snyder said BvS is technically Man of Steel 2

“I think in a way Batman v Superman is Man of Steel 2,” said Snyder, making it sound like a standalone Superman sequel is definitely not DC's highest priority right now. “Justice League is kind of the transcendent, knights-of-the-round-table of the story. It'd be interesting to think about what a standalone Superman movie might be.”

That is not what he said in your quote. "in a way" is a lot different than "technically"....which implies more intent.

IMO, he is saying "yeah, I suppose you can think of it that way, but it's not what we were intending."

[Monker]

You are being way too nit-picky. Many more people went back for a second or third viewing then walked out like you.

A lot of people claim Iron Man 3 is a bitchin' movie when it's really a steaming pile. Some people are much easier to satisfy than others, which is why a movie like Ant-Man plays it so safe.

LOL...you KNOW that GotG was not "playing it safe". When it was released, it was considered a big risk. You are just grasping for critique now. You also KNOW that GotG was received well by both fans and critics. Where is ranked in the MCU on Rotten Tomato? I have no idea...but I bet it is FAR above IM3 and Ant-Man.

It was a good movie that a TON of people like and are waiting for a sequel for.

[verslibre]

You are being way too nit-picky. Many more people went back for a second or third viewing then walked out like you.

A lot of people claim Iron Man 3 is a bitchin' movie when it's really a steaming pile. Some people are much easier to satisfy than others, which is why a movie like Ant-Man plays it so safe.

LOL...you KNOW that GotG was not "playing it safe". When it was released, it was considered a big risk. You are just grasping for critique now. You also KNOW that GotG was received well by both fans and critics. Where is ranked in the MCU on Rotten Tomato? I have no idea...but I bet it is FAR above IM3 and Ant-Man.

It was a good movie that a TON of people like and are waiting for a sequel for.

Grasping? Hardly. Low hanging fruit, baby!

F Rotten Tomatoes. When it comes to any of those sites, the user scores outweigh the so-called critics in my book.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Right now, the only decent series on the channel is Dark Matter

Z Nation rocks. It's not overly concerned with being the Gone With The Wind of zombapoc dramas and it's not afraid to cross the line into the absurd.

Right on. One of the few shows I watch regularly. I gave up on Walking Dead after Season 1. Too much navel-gazing melodrama and plus, they fired showrunner, Frank Darabont (Shawshank, The Mist etc). Z Nation has held my attention, for whatever it's worth. This season so far has emphasized action over storytelling. First two episodes of this season were pretty much just extended chase sequences.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Par for Marvel's course. I enjoyed the movie, but nothing more than a good date movie with my wife. I liked what they did with the whole intergalactic teammup, but I walked out once the dance-off started. Too much for me to handle. Cringe worthy indeed.

LOL...in the film we just had seen after scene of drama, including a failed attempt at killing Ronan, and Groot's death. So, they lightened it up. It fit perfectly into the story....and the outtake where Ronan starts dancing too is absolutely hilarious.

You are being way too nit-picky. Many more people went back for a second or third viewing then walked out like you.

There's a HUGE difference between being nit-picky versus having enough of the goofiness of the movie to sit through a face-palming dance-off. That crutch killed any quality of the movie with the so-called failed death at attempting drama. Shit like that, to me, kills off what they built up earlier in the film in what they were trying to accomplish. It's almost like they are laughing at themselves just for the sake of it by placing humor in a Marvel movie. For me, I never nit-picked GotG. I didn't care very much about it, at all, to nit-pick in the first place. I just loathe the over-comedy portion of Marvel movies just because they can, so that was enough for me. Like I said, I enjoyed the movie. It was a good date movie, but that's it. Dance-off's are my que to get out of dodge and beat the audience out the doors.

[The_Noble_Cause]

SyFy got caught up in trying to duplicate BSG's "shock drama" (ie: who is going to be murdered, raped, and who are we going to see frakking who, or who is going to snap what general's neck...same thing and BSG did it first). So, the SyFy original series started sucking. Right now, the only decent series on the channel is Dark Matter...and it's barely above average. Maybe The Expanse will be better - I don't know.

SyFY has been mismanaged long before that. Even shows that started off with decent ratings ("The Invisible Man") were ran into the ground. The Jerry O'Connell-free last season of Sliders got decent ratings (despite having the budget of a public access show) and the cable channel pulled it. They were given the high rated show, GvsE, from their sister network, USA, and they drove it into the ground. Then they cancelled Farscape to free up money for BSG. Such a shitty channel.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Par for Marvel's course. I enjoyed the movie, but nothing more than a good date movie with my wife. I liked what they did with the whole intergalactic teammup, but I walked out once the dance-off started. Too much for me to handle. Cringe worthy indeed.

LOL...in the film we just had seen after scene of drama, including a failed attempt at killing Ronan, and Groot's death. So, they lightened it up. It fit perfectly into the story....and the outtake where Ronan starts dancing too is absolutely hilarious.

You are being way too nit-picky. Many more people went back for a second or third viewing then walked out like you.

There's a HUGE difference between being nit-picky versus having enough of the goofiness of the movie to sit through a face-palming dance-off. That crutch killed any quality of the movie with the so-called failed death at attempting drama. Shit like that, to me, kills off what they built up earlier in the film in what they were trying to accomplish. It's almost like they are laughing at themselves just for the sake of it by placing humor in a Marvel movie. For me, I never nit-picked GotG. I didn't care very much about it, at all, to nit-pick in the first place. I just loathe the over-comedy portion of Marvel movies just because they can, so that was enough for me. Like I said, I enjoyed the movie. It was a good date movie, but that's it. Dance-off's are my que to get out of dodge and beat the audience out the doors.

Snark and sarcasm is fine. I just didn't think GOTG was funny.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If Farscape can claim a huge influence over GotG, I say it's a good thing....as long as it's done well, and it was.

Well, that's where we disagree. I don't think GOTG was well-done. More like a bad episode of Lexx than Farscape, but to each his own...

[YoungJRNYfan]

Zack Snyder said BvS is technically Man of Steel 2

“I think in a way Batman v Superman is Man of Steel 2,” said Snyder, making it sound like a standalone Superman sequel is definitely not DC's highest priority right now. “Justice League is kind of the transcendent, knights-of-the-round-table of the story. It'd be interesting to think about what a standalone Superman movie might be.”

That is not what he said in your quote. "in a way" is a lot different than "technically"....which implies more intent.

IMO, he is saying "yeah, I suppose you can think of it that way, but it's not what we were intending."

It comes back to what I've always believed BvS to be. A sequel to Man of Steel, or as they are calling it, an "extension" of Man of Steel. They really are tackling a lot of the aftermath and responding to a lot of the ideologies Man of Steel set up in BvS, making it a sequel or an "extension." It's just not a solo Superman movie (obviously.) The more and more I read, the more excited I'm getting from the slow build to this thing. It's going to pay off.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Snark and sarcasm is fine. I just didn't think GOTG was funny.

Agreed. I was content with the tone and themes in GotG. It was a consistent film throughout..until the dance-off. It's almost like a studio not being able to help themselves with the overbearing form of badly placed humor. Consistent film, but the dance-off was an unnecessary attempt at making the audience laugh. It felt like a Broadway show at that point.

[verslibre]

[verslibre]

It's almost like they are laughing at themselves just for the sake of it by placing humor in a Marvel movie.

Ant-Man had great effects and well-choreographed miniature action sequences, but some of the dialogue was exactly that. It probably has the single worst example of it, when Hank Pym (Douglas) and his daughter Hope (Lilly) are having a moment, and Scott Lang (Rudd) butts in with a gratuitous mood-shattering one-liner. Just because. I just don't get why they had to do that when they already added an Avenger cameo which also happens to be one of the movie's two or three best sequences.

[Monker]

Snark and sarcasm is fine. I just didn't think GOTG was funny.

Agreed. I was content with the tone and themes in GotG. It was a consistent film throughout..until the dance-off. It's almost like a studio not being able to help themselves with the overbearing form of badly placed humor. Consistent film, but the dance-off was an unnecessary attempt at making the audience laugh. It felt like a Broadway show at that point.

Well, whatever. I'd rather a few people think a bit of humor was out of place than an over dramatic neck-snap.

[Monker]

It comes back to what I've always believed BvS to be. A sequel to Man of Steel, or as they are calling it, an "extension" of Man of Steel. They really are tackling a lot of the aftermath and responding to a lot of the ideologies Man of Steel set up in BvS, making it a sequel or an "extension." It's just not a solo Superman movie (obviously.) The more and more I read, the more excited I'm getting from the slow build to this thing. It's going to pay off.

You are stretching reality.

MoS was not a "set up" for BvS. It can't be for the simple fact that BvS had not even been decided on as the next film. At least that is what Snyder said in one of those interviews a few dozen pages ago.

If BvS did not come about, and instead they went into a Aquaman and WW movies first, none of this "set up" would be looked at as unresolved plots. They are simply turning MoS into something it was never intended to be.

[Monker]

If Farscape can claim a huge influence over GotG, I say it's a good thing....as long as it's done well, and it was.

Well, that's where we disagree. I don't think GOTG was well-done. More like a bad episode of Lexx than Farscape, but to each his own...

A bad episode of Lexx? Lexx was basically a soft porn space opera. Not exactly like GotG - at all.

[The_Noble_Cause]

A bad episode of Lexx? Lexx was basically a soft porn space opera. Not exactly like GotG - at all.

Really? You must have missed the scenes with Starlord making lame sub-Penthouse cracks about body fluids and blacklights. The movie sucked. Shove your Groot happy meal figurine up your ass and get over it.

[YoungJRNYfan]

It comes back to what I've always believed BvS to be. A sequel to Man of Steel, or as they are calling it, an "extension" of Man of Steel. They really are tackling a lot of the aftermath and responding to a lot of the ideologies Man of Steel set up in BvS, making it a sequel or an "extension." It's just not a solo Superman movie (obviously.) The more and more I read, the more excited I'm getting from the slow build to this thing. It's going to pay off.

You are stretching reality.

MoS was not a "set up" for BvS. It can't be for the simple fact that BvS had not even been decided on as the next film. At least that is what Snyder said in one of those interviews a few dozen pages ago.

Ben Affleck revealed that he was in the late stages of being cast as Batman before they announced BvS at Comic Con in 2013, which was announced only a month into Man of Steel's release. Snyder and the studio had a rough skeleton written for the sequel and where they wanted to go next until Snyder mentioned Batman. Originally, Snyder wanted an end credit scene of a piece of Kryptonite being delivered to Wayne Manor at the end of Man of Steel but Nolan shot that down and WB didn't want to copy Marvel in that respect to be different.

From there, MoS2 transformed into Batman V Superman and that's when Terrio was brought in to re-write the script and set up the introduction to Batman. The wheels were turning for BvS long before Man of Steel hit until WB finally green lighted it. I'm glad it all transpired the way it did. I guess Affleck didn't like Goyer's script for the sequel and said he'd sign on if his boy Chris Terrio can re-write and clean up Goyer's screenplay. Goyer is still getting mentioned for contributing to the story but Terrio is the full blown screenwriter.

[RedWingFan]

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/apparen ... teel-2-523
Translation: "For all 12 of you who keep asking for a MOS2. B v S is the sequel, so quit asking." Funny how Snyder muses what a stand-alone Superman would be like, he's apparently consciously or subconsciously blocked MOS from memory.

[YoungJRNYfan]

LOL, all 12. Man of Steel 2 has been the subject of conversation for a good while now and when the rumor of George Miller directing, people went berserk. Snyder blocked MOS from memory so much, that he even made an entire movie in response to it



Keep drinking 'dat hatorade.

[verslibre]

A new Supergirl trailer aired last night during the season premiere of Scorpion. This one revealed more villains like Reactron and Vartox, and it gave viewers their first official* glimpses of Supergirl's heat vision and super-breath. The more footage I see for this show, the more I look forward to it. It looks like it's going to be less bubble-gum (though it'll be there to some degree, to balance things) and more CG-intensive than I previously thought. I wasn't impressed by Benoist's costume at first but it looks good in the footage.

*Comic Con attendees who made it into the panel saw the pilot.

There's also a female supervillain, but I don't know who she's supposed to be. Trav?

[verslibre]

While missing the entire second half of the first season, I've since caught a few more episodes of The Flash. Like Agents of SHIELD, it's improved since the beginning when things were more lightweight. (It's also sped past Arrow in popularity.)

While most of the episodes are done-in-one, the Harrison Wells backstory is an overarching thread that has transitioned things to a more serious tone (Barry's dad is wrongfully serving a life sentence for the murder of his wife, i.e. Barry's mother). The speed FX are good, too.

The most recent ep I caught had Mark Hamill reprising his role from the '90s series as The Trickster. I always forget what a versatile voice he has until I hear him use it again. Like his Joker, his Trickster sounds nothing like his normal voice. The outcome was predictable, but it still had a good twist and had the first instance of Barry using his speed vibration to phase through a solid object.

[verslibre]

For all 12 of you who keep asking for a MOS2

You realize that's four times as many people asking for another Spider-Man reboot, right?

[YoungJRNYfan]

There's also a female supervillain, but I don't know who she's supposed to be. Trav?

I see a lot of sparks happening from that still. Livewire maybe? I didn't get a chance to see the new trailer.

[verslibre]

There was a full-page Supergirl article/interview in the Sunday Los Angeles Times two weekends ago.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-ca-st-fall-tv-supergirl-20150913-story.html

[verslibre]

There's ice skating in hell!

The first official DC-Marvel crossover!

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/09/23/dubsmash-wars-melissa-benoist-supergirl-team-shield

[Monker]

There's ice skating in hell!

The first official DC-Marvel crossover!

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/09/23/dubsmash-wars-melissa-benoist-supergirl-team-shield

Oh, great, now Dennis DeYoung is going to rejoin Styx.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Jesse Eisenberg (Lex Luthor in Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice) continues to herald writer Chris Terrio:

Since everyone here is obviously interested in writing in some capacity, I’ll tell you that the man who wrote the movie, Chris Terrio, is absolutely phenomenal. He also wrote Argo. He’s such a brilliant guy, so well read. He’s interested in very sophisticated topics and discussions. So in Batman V Superman, even though it’s a superhero movie, people who don’t necessarily see films in that genre, like this crowd, will probably enjoy it. It discusses some very sophisticated and important themes.

This is one of the reasons Goyer is out. He was always labeled the weak point of TDKtrilogy and Man of Steel could of been neon's better with most people blaming Goyer.. I've said it before that with Terrio on board, he brings an entire new outlet to the way he tells stories that involve themes outside of the superhero fandom. That will bring in a different crowd and keep the people who enjoy different themes interested and into it.