Chicago with Arnel Pineda ( Chicago : Live in Manila 2016 )

[tater1977]

You're The Inspiration - Chicago with Arnel Pineda ( Chicago : Live in Manila 2016 )

https://youtu.be/u34nPulFtNM

[perryfan61]

He does a great job on this song. Looks like he was having a good time too!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Arnel owned that like a boss. Great job.

[steveo777]

This man will never be homeless again and he won't be looking for work. No matter what happens with Journey, I am confident AP will always have a job. He did that very well!

[brywool]

I watched some current "Stars" sitting in with the Stones. Gaga, Fergie, Katy... (in various clips) all of them came out and basically looked like they were trying to upstage the Stones/Mick. The only one who could actually sing the parts was Gaga, but they all were like "lookit me! lookit me!".

What I dig about Arnel is he is SOOO not like that. It's clearly an honor for him to be there. He comes out, NAILS the song and just sings it. He doesn't try to outsing anybody, he doesn't have some nuttyass garish costume on, he just comes out, is humble and let's his art do the talking.

Totally sick of today's "stars" that clearly think the world ends and begins with them and their image... yet can't sing live worth a damn.

Arnel's a cool dude and it's fun to watch him. He totally respects his gig.

[DracIsBack]

He did a good job on that!

[yulog]

Pineda has a strong voice but............Thought he sounded very karaoke on it, I couldn't even get through the whole thing

[steveo777]

Pineda has a strong voice but............Thought he sounded very karaoke on it, I couldn't even get through the whole thing

That was so 2008.

He was brilliant on it. Go fuck yourself!

[yulog]

Pineda has a strong voice but............Thought he sounded very karaoke on it, I couldn't even get through the whole thing

That was so 2008.

He was brilliant on it. Go fuck yourself!

I love when you talk that way to me

[steveo777]

Of course you do, that is what made this forum so great. People don't talk anymore, they don't say fuck you, on a daily basis. Kiss my ass, you window licking retard!

[yulog]

[JBlake]

You're The Inspiration - Chicago with Arnel Pineda ( Chicago : Live in Manila 2016 )

https://youtu.be/u34nPulFtNM

That was just ok. But I'd rather hear/see him do something from Europe, Heart, Starship, Queen, or Scorpions like he did back in the 80's. Hopefully if any of those bands go to Manila, he could join them up stage for a song with them too. That would be cool

[annie89509]

Yeah, but is he better than Peter Cetera, though????
Seriously, enjoyed that performance from Arnel, better listening to him sing the song than that Jason Scheff guy. To this day, can't stand to hear Jason sing any of PC's songs.
I've never minded listening to any of SP's replacements, even though the original version is always better (imo). But to hear JS mangle all the PC masterpieces, well... that's just blasphemy!
This year, Chicago is being inducted into the RnRHoF. Will be interesting to see if those 2 guys will share the stage.... for a song or 2 or 3...?
Heard Peter wants to sing 25or6to4 with the band. Hope Jason keeps his mouth shut.

[Marzdog]

This year, Chicago is being inducted into the RnRHoF. Will be interesting to see if those 2 guys will share the stage.... for a song or 2 or 3...?
Heard Peter wants to sing 25or6to4 with the band. Hope Jason keeps his mouth shut.

This from Peter Cetera's website...

February 8, 2016
I just sent this to the RnR hall of fame people. This is the the short high road nice version of what I really wanted to say. I’ll post that response at the appropriate time. Ciao,

Hello Alex and Joel!
Unfortunately, this scenario doesn’t work for me. I know we all did our best to make it happen, but I guess it’s just not meant to be.
Personally, I’m frustrated and tired of dealing with this and it’s time to move on. I have a life with two beautiful daughters and a solo career and its time to get back and give them all the full attention they deserve.
Thanks for all your help and consideration! Have a great show and please send any individual award I receive to the contact you have for me.
All the best, Peter Cetera

[annie89509]

This year, Chicago is being inducted into the RnRHoF. Will be interesting to see if those 2 guys will share the stage.... for a song or 2 or 3...?
Heard Peter wants to sing 25or6to4 with the band. Hope Jason keeps his mouth shut.

This from Peter Cetera's website...

February 8, 2016
I just sent this to the RnR hall of fame people. This is the the short high road nice version of what I really wanted to say. I’ll post that response at the appropriate time. Ciao,

Hello Alex and Joel!
Unfortunately, this scenario doesn’t work for me. I know we all did our best to make it happen, but I guess it’s just not meant to be.
Personally, I’m frustrated and tired of dealing with this and it’s time to move on. I have a life with two beautiful daughters and a solo career and its time to get back and give them all the full attention they deserve.
Thanks for all your help and consideration! Have a great show and please send any individual award I receive to the contact you have for me.
All the best, Peter Cetera

What?!?????? Oh, no....I was so looking forward to the ceremony. Last I heard, he said he was going .... what happened??????
Anybody know?

[jrny84]

This year, Chicago is being inducted into the RnRHoF. Will be interesting to see if those 2 guys will share the stage.... for a song or 2 or 3...?
Heard Peter wants to sing 25or6to4 with the band. Hope Jason keeps his mouth shut.

This from Peter Cetera's website...

February 8, 2016
I just sent this to the RnR hall of fame people. This is the the short high road nice version of what I really wanted to say. I’ll post that response at the appropriate time. Ciao,

Hello Alex and Joel!
Unfortunately, this scenario doesn’t work for me. I know we all did our best to make it happen, but I guess it’s just not meant to be.
Personally, I’m frustrated and tired of dealing with this and it’s time to move on. I have a life with two beautiful daughters and a solo career and its time to get back and give them all the full attention they deserve.
Thanks for all your help and consideration! Have a great show and please send any individual award I receive to the contact you have for me.
All the best, Peter Cetera

What?!?????? Oh, no....I was so looking forward to the ceremony. Last I heard, he said he was going .... what happened??????
Anybody know?

Apparently Cetera wants things his way or will not reunite with them.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/colum ... -induction


Peter Cetera Officially Bows Out of Chicago Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction: 'It's Just Not Meant to Be'

2/8/2016 by Gary Graff

Peter Cetera's on-again, off-again involvement in Chicago's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction is now back in the off position, effectively turning the band into this year's version of Kiss, Guns N' Roses and other inductees plagued with personal (and personnel) drama.

The group's original singer and bassist -- who left Chicago in 1985 -- has posted a copy of a note he sent to Rock Hall Foundation chief Joel Peresman and induction ceremony producer Alex Coletti on his website that reverses previous statements that he was willing to play with the band on April 8 at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn. Cetera writes that, "Unfortunately this scenario doesn't work for me. I know we all did our best to make it happen, but I guess it's just not meant to be. Personally I'm frustrated and tired of dealing with this and it's time to move on. I have a life with two beautiful daughters and a solo career and its time to get back and give them the full attention they deserve. Thanks for all your help and consideration! Have a great show and please send any individual award I receive to the contact you have for me." The note does not specify what the "scenario" was for the show.

N.W.A, Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple & Steve Miller Are 2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

Cetera's post is the latest in a dramatic series of events surrounding his role in the induction. Singer-keyboardist Robert Lamm said in December that Cetera and founding drummer Danny Seraphine would be attending and performing at the ceremony, only to be corrected by Cetera. Lamm subsequently apologized for being premature, and in January, Cetera posted a letter on his website saying he was willing to perform "25 or 6 to 4" that night, also suggesting that all of Chicago's living members, past and present, be invited to play the song.

"I have to tell you... it's so weird," Lamm told Billboard last week, before Cetera's latest missive. "I honestly don't know if he's going to be there. I don't know what's gonna happen, if it's gonna happen. I don't even know if our band is going to play. I don't know if it's going be a house band or Paul Shaffer playing. I have no idea. It'll all be worked out, I'm sure, but as to what I know now, it's very little."

Peter Cetera Will Not Play With Chicago at Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction

Lamm was communicating with Cetera by email and said "there was always a desire and assumption on my part" that Cetera would be there and perform during the ceremony. But Cetera apparently had other ideas. "He decided he wanted to play [the song] in a different key if he was going to play with us, which is definitely not going to happen, and then he wanted to play with his band but not with us and sing his songs or sing whatever songs the Hall wants him to sing," Lamm said. "It's all very strange."

Seraphine, who left Chicago in 1990, has not been heard from publicly. But Lamm said, "Danny and Peter are connected to the hip, so whatever happens with Peter will happen with Danny." Lamm said he did speak with Michelle Kath, daughter of Chicago's late founding guitarist Terry Kath, but more about the documentary she's making about her father than the Rock Hall induction.

Despite the turmoil, Lamm said he and remaining co-founders Lee Loughnane, James Pankow and Walter Parazaider are looking forward to the festivities. "After being passed over for so long, we just sort of put it out of our mind and didn't expect it to ever happen," he said. "So to finally sort of break through just kind of made us stop and just be grateful and remember to be gracious."

[DracIsBack]

Apparently Cetera wants things his way or will not reunite with them.

How do you know it's not Chicago wanting things "their way" or no reunion? Or the hall? There are four parties that have to come to consensus. I wonder if Peter Cetera's point of view is the same as Robert Lamm's? (You could be right, but amazing how people 'take sides' without knowing all the facts).

And of course, Journey fans of all people know full well what happens to tenors when they get older.See Steve Perry and Steve Augeri. It's why things like requests to lower the key happen if the song is sung by a 71 year old man, when it was high originally and the tune was recorded when the same guy was 24 ...

[jrny84]

Apparently Cetera wants things his way or will not reunite with them.

How do you know it's not Chicago wanting things "their way" or no reunion? Or the hall? There are four parties that have to come to consensus. I wonder if Peter Cetera's point of view is the same as Robert Lamm's? (You could be right, but amazing how people 'take sides' without knowing all the facts).

And of course, Journey fans of all people know full well what happens to tenors when they get older.See Steve Perry and Steve Augeri. It's why things like requests to lower the key happen if the song is sung by a 71 year old man, when it was high originally and the tune was recorded when the same guy was 24 ...

For him to expect to play with "his own" band is just ridiculous and insane. His personal side band is NOT Chicago and they are not getting inducted. With that said, its understandable for him to want to play their songs in a different/lower key. I could care less about that. I am a pretty big Chicago band and was looking forward to seeing them reunite at the hall of fame, but it looks like Cetera is once again "off" with playing. Who knows though, maybe he will make a surprise appearance, but I highly doubt it. I will say one thing about Chicago, I thought it was a big mistake for them to fire Bill Champlin. I don't think he's going to inducted, which is a real shame.

[annie89509]

I was just a kid in the ‘60s when I heard 65or6to4 on the radio, and it literally knocked my socks off. My older brother kind of got me hooked on rock music.

Years keep passing by…I hear all the popular bands’ music on the radio…unaware of individual member names or band changes …(“faceless bands”) …until the advent of internet surfing -- and YouTube. It’s a journey and memory lane back to youthful times, stuff I never knew or seen before (like live concerts). What a treasure chest YouTube is …check out the young, long-haired, Peter Cetera rocked out on 65or6to4 (’67-69), then emote into power ballad extraordinaire (late‘70s through 80’s)...lol

In retrospect, I didn’t make the connection that Peter Cetera, solo artist, whom I knew sang many movie theme songs of the 80s-90s (single & duets) is the same singer in all the top Chicago hits. And, just as with Steve Perry (to me), the songs with the band showed more depth and substance than the solo material.

Fun reading all the YT fan battles. Inevitably, comparisons are made between original singer and current singer on tour. Of course, original rendition is preferred 3-to-1. Then, Jason Scheff defenders throw out the “tenure” card (does that sound familiar?) JS – 30 yrs & counting … PC – 20 yrs AND stop living in the past, “true” fans should support current band & members, not someone whose been gone eon years ago.

But, ah, (same Journey argument)…no crime in the band carrying on and playing current music, BUT why is the band only playing songs (sang and) made famous by said someone whose been gone for years? So, who’s living in the past? They’re nothing more than a tribute band. (lol)

Well, I sure hope they work out their differences…for the fans that want to see this reunion. I agree, you can’t expect 71 yr old PC to sing 65or6to4 in the original key. The guy has a lot of pride, he's not going to embarrass himself in front of all these people ...in the industry and outside fans. I doubt 50ish JS is going to sound too good, either. Although, I think (just catching glimpses of them on YT) they have a younger guy to handle the tenor notes on the high range songs. Egads, they need to use 2 replacements to handle 1 song. If that’s what we’re going to see at the induction ceremony, count me out.

[Onestepper]

The other question is why would the other members of the band want or insist that the songs be performed in a specific key that is going to make all of them sound bad? It's not just about Cetera....the whole effort would sound bad, not just him. So why would you be so stubborn as to insist on putting out an inferior performance? That makes no sense at all.

Ultimately, and this isn't specific to just Chicago and PC...but so many of these bands and former band members just act like drama queens. And yes, that includes SP and Journey. I used to think it was just a maturity issue and they would get over it. That appears not to be the case.

[DracIsBack]

For him to expect to play with "his own" band is just ridiculous and insane.

Agree, though i'd actually love to know the context of how it was brought up - and not in some quick sound byte from Robert Lamm, speaking on behalf of the hall, speaking on behalf of Peter Cetera.

I'm really loathe to lay blame on one or the other as who knows what everyone is demanding/asking? Likely both have long standing issues .... and Chicago is legendary for being a band with "long standing hurts".

On the Bill Champlin subject, Peter suggested he be there, and the idea was then 'nixed' by someone. Either the Hall or Chicago.

I'm disappointed too.

[DracIsBack]

The other question is why would the other members of the band want or insist that the songs be performed in a specific key that is going to make all of them sound bad? It's not just about Cetera....the whole effort would sound bad, not just him. So why would you be so stubborn as to insist on putting out an inferior performance? That makes no sense at all.

It's actually very simple.

- Peter Cetera is 71 years old
- 25 or 6 to 4 is one of Chicago's higher songs
- 25 or 6 to 4 was recorded when Peter Cetera was 24 years old ... nearly 47 years ago!
in 2015, Peter Cetera performs the song in the key of E minor, a leftover from when he did an orchestral version with symphonies.

What we don't know is if either side was willing to compromise and to what degree? For example, was Peter willing to come up to - say - G minor? Was Chicago willing to come down? I do know Peter proposed an alternate song. I don't know what it was. (I suspect Feelin' Stronger Everyday). I don't know what Chicago's reaction was. i don't know what the hall's was.

And therein likes the issue I have with people leaping to conclusions without "all the facts". Not even suggesting someone is a sinner or someone's a saint. Just that we aren't there.

It's a bummer for fans who are disappointed.

[scarab]

not seeing him sing and play with his bandmates is very dissapointing
for him not even to show up is heartbreaking.
Have almost every Chicago album and all Ceteras.

Even Perry sucked it up and went to the Hollywood star signing.
And even though he still wont sing with them, I give him tons of credit for thinking of the fans first.

[jrny84]

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/peter-ce ... hall-2016/

Peter Cetera Explains His Reasons for Refusing to Perform With Chicago at the Rock Hall

Read More: Peter Cetera Explains His Reasons for Refusing to Perform With Chicago at the Rock Hall | http://ultimateclassicrock.com/peter-ce ... ck=tsmclip

Here’s a little advice for anyone entering into negotiations with former Chicago frontman Peter Cetera: It’s probably a bad idea to suggest that he take a “chill pill.”

That’s our takeaway from a note Cetera recently posted at his official site, in which he told a little more of his side of the story regarding his on-again, off-again (and ultimately permanently off) plans to reunite with Chicago at the group’s upcoming Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction. As Cetera sees it, his many efforts to come up with a workable solution for the show fell on deaf ears — and were disrespectfully dismissed by his former bandmates.

“Every idea or suggestion I offered about how it could work musically was either rejected or changed by the show’s producers,” wrote Cetera. “Together with the fact that while I sent those same emails to the group, the only reply I ever received back from them was a very snarky ‘Take a chill pill, dude!’ Whoa! Really?”

Cetera, who left the band after 1984’s bestselling Chicago 17 and went on to score a handful of solo hits, has gotten comfortable calling the shots in his career, and despite 30 years apart, he and the remaining founding members in the band evidently still rub one another the wrong way. “At this point in my life,” he continued, “I don’t care to reintroduce the same negativity, misplaced egos and petty jealousies I left behind years ago.”

Recommending that fans come out to see him with his current solo band if they want to watch him perform, Cetera offered a measure of understanding for anyone who hoped to see a Rock Hall reunion. “Many of you will be disappointed and that’s understandable. Quite frankly, I’m disappointed as well,” he admitted. “There comes a time when you need to make a decision based on what’s best for you without worrying about the consequences, and this is that time.”


Read More: Peter Cetera Explains His Reasons for Refusing to Perform With Chicago at the Rock Hall | http://ultimateclassicrock.com/peter-ce ... ck=tsmclip

[annie89509]

Well, that’s the final word, I guess …thanks for posting this, j84.

I don’t (never did) follow Chicago much. It’s quite obvious to me now that you’ve got 2 strong personalities that don’t bend. As one wise fellow told me a long time ago, the key to a happy, enduring marriage is when 1 person runs the show and the other doesn’t.

This sad conclusion makes me think about Journey’s prospects should they get the call to the Hall. What do you think will happen? Is Neal going to tell SP “no, we won’t lower the keys (for you)”? That's what Rob Lamm said he told PeterC. Really harsh of him to force Peter's hand like that.

[DracIsBack]

That's what Rob Lamm said he told PeterC. Really harsh of him to force Peter's hand like that.

Doesn't sound like Lamm even said anything directly and it was all handled through the hall people. Sounds like one of Peter's gripes was that no one in Chicago said anything or tried to discuss anything directly.

Doesn't sound like putting the past behind ...

[annie89509]

I was referring to an earlier article posted above that had Rob Lamm speaking about the PC situation:

Lamm was communicating with Cetera by email and said "there was always a desire and assumption on my part" that Cetera would be there and perform during the ceremony. But Cetera apparently had other ideas. "He decided he wanted to play [the song] in a different key if he was going to play with us, which is definitely not going to happen, and then he wanted to play with his band but not with us and sing his songs or sing whatever songs the Hall wants him to sing," Lamm said. "It's all very strange."

[WalrusOct9]

I watched some current "Stars" sitting in with the Stones. Gaga, Fergie, Katy... (in various clips) all of them came out and basically looked like they were trying to upstage the Stones/Mick. The only one who could actually sing the parts was Gaga, but they all were like "lookit me! lookit me!".

Check out the Grace Potter one. She kills it.

[Abitaman]

Yeah, but is he better than Peter Cetera, though????
Seriously, enjoyed that performance from Arnel, better listening to him sing the song than that Jason Scheff guy. To this day, can't stand to hear Jason sing any of PC's songs.
I've never minded listening to any of SP's replacements, even though the original version is always better (imo). But to hear JS mangle all the PC masterpieces, well... that's just blasphemy!
This year, Chicago is being inducted into the RnRHoF. Will be interesting to see if those 2 guys will share the stage.... for a song or 2 or 3...?
Heard Peter wants to sing 25or6to4 with the band. Hope Jason keeps his mouth shut.

I like Jason's voice. Granted is PC songs are not as good as if Peter was singing, but they are not bad by any means. I have really liked what he has brought to the band, and has a very good voice. His solo cd is pretty good too.

[Abitaman]

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/peter-cetera-chicago-rock-hall-2016/

Peter Cetera Explains His Reasons for Refusing to Perform With Chicago at the Rock Hall

Read More: Peter Cetera Explains His Reasons for Refusing to Perform With Chicago at the Rock Hall | http://ultimateclassicrock.com/peter-ce ... ck=tsmclip

Here’s a little advice for anyone entering into negotiations with former Chicago frontman Peter Cetera: It’s probably a bad idea to suggest that he take a “chill pill.”

That’s our takeaway from a note Cetera recently posted at his official site, in which he told a little more of his side of the story regarding his on-again, off-again (and ultimately permanently off) plans to reunite with Chicago at the group’s upcoming Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction. As Cetera sees it, his many efforts to come up with a workable solution for the show fell on deaf ears — and were disrespectfully dismissed by his former bandmates.

“Every idea or suggestion I offered about how it could work musically was either rejected or changed by the show’s producers,” wrote Cetera. “Together with the fact that while I sent those same emails to the group, the only reply I ever received back from them was a very snarky ‘Take a chill pill, dude!’ Whoa! Really?”

Cetera, who left the band after 1984’s bestselling Chicago 17 and went on to score a handful of solo hits, has gotten comfortable calling the shots in his career, and despite 30 years apart, he and the remaining founding members in the band evidently still rub one another the wrong way. “At this point in my life,” he continued, “I don’t care to reintroduce the same negativity, misplaced egos and petty jealousies I left behind years ago.”

Recommending that fans come out to see him with his current solo band if they want to watch him perform, Cetera offered a measure of understanding for anyone who hoped to see a Rock Hall reunion. “Many of you will be disappointed and that’s understandable. Quite frankly, I’m disappointed as well,” he admitted. “There comes a time when you need to make a decision based on what’s best for you without worrying about the consequences, and this is that time.”


Read More: Peter Cetera Explains His Reasons for Refusing to Perform With Chicago at the Rock Hall | http://ultimateclassicrock.com/peter-ce ... ck=tsmclip

I did not know Peter was still touring? Last CD was what 15 years ago?