Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

[verslibre]

The same critics who hosted a circle jerk for Star Wars and Ant-Man, no doubt! Doesn't sway me in the least, haha!

[YoungJRNYfan]

All the critics are just destroying the tone, really. That's not surprising to me, though. Every other movie franchise can have the cookie cutter stuff. Just leave the DCEU as a serious and more of a psychological challenge to the viewer and I'll be a happy fan. Critics just don't like the the gritty things that dare to be different. This thing can get a 0% rating and I'll love it. It's my thing I enjoy in movies. Applying that to the superhero genre is a great move in my book.

[YoungJRNYfan]

First class/Thor SCREENWRITER:

I have no dog in the #BvS hunt, but a lot of these reviews feel written in advance by people who hate the grim Snyder tone & wanted to vent.

Eobard Thawne ‏@darththawne 29m29 minutes ago
The Force Awakens is divisive among fans but loved by critics. Quite certain at this point #BatmanvSuperman is the opposite.

Lmao, even screenwriters are all like "Really, critics?" Grace touched upon this how dense and downright ADULT BvS really is and it's just that critics don't seem to enjoy that in CBM's in today's present day and it is going to get slammed for being what it is. No matter, it's what we all knew. They reported that this is going to play out the opposite of SW:TFA. That film is just so-so with fans but hugely popular with critics while fans seem to love BvS and appalled by critics.

Can't wait to get in there and dig into it.

[RedWingFan]

Joeblo gives it a 5/10. http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/review- ... ustice-116

Pulling 39% at RT by critics. Audience reviews gotta be higher than that.

[RedWingFan]

I plan on taking the family to see it saturday night. Don't know if I should follow through with that. We are going on vacation in N.C. and Florida for the next 2 weekends. Could just wait for the 4th weekend and the near empty theater. Lol

[The_Noble_Cause]

Negative reviews are comparing it to "Batman & Robin" and "Green Lantern." Even MOS defenders, like Drew McWeeny, are bashing the hell out of it. I'm not a huge Snyder fan, but I really doubt he would deliver a complete misfire.

[YoungJRNYfan]

It's getting brutally beaten down by critics. Still over 200 reviews to go, but most of the critics have a problem with the tone mostly. I agree with RWF that the last powerplay is for the GA and fanbase to accept this and go against critical opinion. That could be the case for this one. Metacritic reads much better, only one negative, mostly positive with some mixed.

This seems to be the case in all the movies I love, though, so I'm not surprised. I did an individual study and went back and looked through all the Rotten Tomato score of movies that I loved and compared my love for the movie to the RT scored. Two of the most recent (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Robocop) were the two movies where I stayed away from critics and the internet reception until now. Those two movies stand at 20-40% at RT lol. So, in comparison to the critics,

I guess I have REALLY bad taste, but I wouldn't have it any other way. Reviews and other people's reception to the movie never will have a baring on how much I enjoy a movie. It's all subjective in the end.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Negative reviews are comparing it to "Batman & Robin" and "Green Lantern." Even MOS defenders, like Drew McWeeny, are bashing the hell out of it. I'm not a huge Snyder fan, but I really doubt he would deliver a complete misfire.

Zack Snyder is proven not to be everybody's case of beer. He is a divisive filmmaker that adds elements and dark undertones in his stories that are designed to stir the pot and it gets people in an uproar. His style is not always acceptive to audiences. He isn't for everybody, but his style has to be liked by somebody and I follow in that category. He was pretty much made for a movie goer like me who enjoy's those certain types of controversial movies. I like walking out of the theater with this unexplained feeling that I can't put my finger on.

[RedWingFan]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 2710703460

[YoungJRNYfan]

The audience rating is in. Right now it sits at 86% with a total rating of 4.4/5 from the audience ratings so that's the one to monitor over the next few days. Was always much more interested than that rating than the critical.

[verslibre]

Beaucoup positive reviews on IMDb, too.

[verslibre]

https://twitter.com/GraceRandolph

[YoungJRNYfan]

This guy was blasting the film once the RT scores came through

"I'm disappointed to see the reaction to #BatmanvSuperman. I went in expecting not to like it, but I loved it. Make your own mind up on Fri!"

[verslibre]

Yeah, suddenly a bunch of people are convincing themselves to not go see it "in the theater."

[YoungJRNYfan]

I'll take the lumps from the critics as a fan. Though fans like me never paid attention to the critics as a self survey, I still wanted BvS to atleast be critically redeemed from Man of Steel, only if it was for the skeptic people who check reviews first and foremost and who don't have a dog in the fight. I've been going to bat for DC since Man of Steel, so it feels like a little jab to the chin. Good thing I got a strong one though haha. Deep down, I kind of feared this would happen with the critics, especially since Snyder seemed to doubled down from Man of Steel and went for it. I know I'll appreciate the ambitious effort and acting. From the sounds of it, the cast is beyond phenomenonal. I love Snyder's unorthodox style so we'll see if audiences take to this.

For now, I've calmed my expectations, which could be the best thing to happen. I'm going back in with an open mind rather than fanboy bias.

[Monker]

I read the Time review....seemed to be pretty on point. It sounds pretty much like Watchmen. You all keep thinking general audiences will "get it". They won't. People go to films to be entertained...not to "think".

Anyway, I would now be a bit concerned where DC is going to take this. It SEEMS like BvS is going to be mediocre for sales, IMO Suicide Squad is going to sell even less. Somebody better really consider what the plan is, and what it should be, because what they are doing right now is not selling....and I would think they need to sell to others beyond the comic book fans to have any success beyond what Watchmen did. BvS will do OK because of the title and such, but if this one disappoints, evenyone will be even more skeptical of Justice League.

[RedWingFan]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/74734
Exactly what I predicted and was afraid of.

If you're excitedly waiting to see Flash, Cyborg or Aquaman in action, temper those expectations. The film does stop dead, right before the big fight by the way, to gratuitously tease Justice League in the dullest, more boring way possible: via email. No shit. Email and computer files. There's nothing woven into the narrative that would fold these folks in. Hell, they barely shoe-horn Wonder Woman into the story. Because of that I can't understand seeing this movie as anything but a typical franchise setter-upper. I mean, all of these kinds of movies are these days and I don't fault Warners and DC for going for gold like Marvel has, but c'mon guys. Put a little more creativity into it. At least in the very problematic Age of Ultron Vision has a story-based reason for being introduced into the universe.

[RedWingFan]

Anyway, I would now be a bit concerned where DC is going to take this. It SEEMS like BvS is going to be mediocre for sales, IMO Suicide Squad is going to sell even less.

I'm not sure what the budget was for B v S, but I'm pretty sure it'll make it's money back and then some. But it will not be the huge hit D.C. expected or hoped for. This film had the A team in terms of characters, the headline act. You've seen 3 of them together in action. Now you come out with Suicide Squad which is kind of the opener with far less known characters, which will have the same dark D.C. monotone look to it. Lackluster box office for B v S could wreck any chance of any success for SS.

Somebody better really consider what the plan is, and what it should be, because what they are doing right now is not selling....

And they keep going to the same dry well. I think the worst thing that ever happened to D.C. may have been the success of Nolan's TDK trilogy. They keep trying the same formula and they keep failing.

ABvS will do OK because of the title and such, but if this one disappoints, evenyone will be even more skeptical of Justice League.

Plus, they already shot their wad by putting the big 3 together already. Who's going to look forward to throwing in Flash, Green Lantern and Aquaman into the mix with little to no backstory. D.C. just never fails to disappoint. I was so hoping for a great Superman movie with Returns and MOS, They just can't deliver. I can't help heading into this thinking that it's going to suck. I'm lowering my expectations too, and they were low from the get go.

[YoungJRNYfan]

RWF, the budget was 250mil to make. I'm not worried about the Box Office, atleast for the opening weekend. The power play here is still the audience. We're goin to find out how many of the casuals read reviews because this thing couldn't be worse in that regard. To think Man of Steel's reviews look like the Godfather in comparison lol. This should open up to a $170-200 million weekend so the BO is still going to be massive. The legs though, scare me.

They even pushed this back a year so to hear things like editing and pacing issues is starting to actually piss me off because we need this for the GA too and not for fans like myself.

If it plays like Watchmen, though, I'd love that, personally. I expected it to play like Watchmen for awhile.

Going to get interesting tonight.

[Rip Rokken]

Well... the time has come. I have tickets for Saturday, but am probably going to go tonight as well. The wait's been long enough. A while back I voiced some concerns about Zack Snyder helming this one too, and worried that it would be all big, dumb, loud action with not enough story to really make it a good movie. Some filmmakers are just like that, unfortunately.

From RottenTomatoes.com:

"Critics Consensus: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice smothers a potentially powerful story -- and some of America's most iconic superheroes -- in a grim whirlwind of effects-driven action."

Yup... I guess I'll find out for myself, but so far, sounds like my concerns may be true. Maybe for Justice League they can get someone who truly values story and plot, instead of bigger, faster, louder - Michael Bay perhaps?

[YoungJRNYfan]

Fortunatly, so far, most people are liking it, but knew it's going tl be divisive. Many are actually saying it's too sophisticated. It's not simple. It's ambitious and Snyder gives us a thrill ride. It's anything but safe. That said, it's unpredictable how anybody will respond.

Despite the fancy words from critics, people who actually saw it are saying go see it with an open mind because it may surprise.

Looking forward to everyone's thoughts. Good, bad or ugly lol.

[verslibre]

Tonight! It will be interesting, considering all the negative stuff out there. One thing's for certain: the action and visuals will rock.

People seem to complain primarily about the pacing and editing. We'll see. I looked at IMDb and even some of the disappointed fans still rated it 7/10.

Everyone digs Wonder Woman, though!

[verslibre]

Menalippe, Diana, Hippolyta, and Antiope.

[RedWingFan]

The audience rating is in. Right now it sits at 86%

Already sank to 79%. I think it'll drop much lower when the average movie goer starts seeing it.

[verslibre]

This is in today's Los Angeles Times. Kenneth Turan is known to really rip a movie when he doesn't like it. But this is what he wrote (I didn't go past that for fear of spoiler-y things):

'Batman v Superman,' with Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill, is a gritty superhero showdown

As directed by Zack Snyder, the two-hour, 33-minute "Batman v Superman" does go on too long and lingers more than it should, as Snyder's "Man of Steel" did before it, on its climactic action set pieces.

But the director, a strong technician whose slam-bang emphatic, occasionally operatic style seems made for comic book adaptations, has been well-served by an adept script co-written by Chris Terrio (an Oscar winner for Ben Affleck's "Argo") and David S. Goyer, which raises a number of interesting issues.

Sounds like he liked it. But again, I did not read past the first five paragraphs.

[verslibre]

The audience rating is in. Right now it sits at 86%

Already sank to 79%. I think it'll drop much lower when the average movie goer starts seeing it.

Based on how many ratings? A ton of people on IMDb and other forums are chiming in, saying they liked/loved it.

The DCEU is NOT being rebooted.

[YoungJRNYfan]

The audience score right now is just a bunch of fanboys. Both bias and haters. We'll monitor that the next 2 weeks.

[YoungJRNYfan]

The audience rating is in. Right now it sits at 86%

Already sank to 79%. I think it'll drop much lower when the average movie goer starts seeing it.

Based on how many ratings? A ton of people on IMDb and other forums are chiming in, saying they liked/loved it.

The DCEU is NOT being rebooted.

Lol no way in hell. Snyder is on until JL1. Chris Terrio already said Mos-JL1 is one saga.

Remember now, we got these two movies only from Snyder. We got David Ayer with SSQD and Patty Jenkins on Wondy. Geoff Johns already said Wondy reminds him of Superman: TM and JL will naturally be lighter.

They'll stick to the plan.

[verslibre]

“I’m a comic book guy and I made the movie based as much as I could on that aesthetic,” Snyder told us, “And so I don’t know how else to do it 100%, so it is what it is.”

[YoungJRNYfan]

Good on Snyder, regardless of whatever feedback is destined. That's what I initially like about Snyder. He's a fan.

Let's do this already!