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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:10 pm

YoungJRNYfan wrote: Don't listen to TNC. Go see it. You're not the over-anaylzer when it comes to CBM's Deb and you don't have an attachment either way to look for things you may hate. You may end up liking it :lol:


You don't have to "overanalyze" to realize the movie is a smouldering shitheap. Maybe some of you left your brains at the coat check window. Its often said, a hero is only as good as the villain, and in the case of BvS, you have a carrot-top pipsqueak whose not a threat physically or mentally. The film depicts Lex as this genius architect pitting our two heroes against one another, but his plays on the chessboard are stupid (sending Wayne taunting notes, blowing up Congress, creating Doomsday etc.). His actions and motives are just a bunch of random crap, just like the movie.
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby YoungJRNYfan » Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:06 pm

There are people like this out there. For every review like TNC's above, there are these people (this video is going viral):

SPOILERS!
Batman v Superman: How I surprised myself & fell in love with this film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKRmMQa ... e=youtu.be

Which tells me you don't have to listen to either of us. Give yourself more credit and form your own opinion. It's Batman, it's Superman and it has a snippet of Aquamoa. Oh, and it's not Marvel. Take it or leave it :lol:
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby YoungJRNYfan » Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:43 am

BOX OFFICE:

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BATMAN V SUPERMAN scored $15M Monday--$1M more than FURIOUS 7, $5M more than THE HUNGER GAMES on their 1st Mondays.

The $15M BATMAN V SUPERMAN earned on Monday is better than both IRON MAN 3 ($11M) and AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON ($13M). Many believed the numbers would be much lower. Batman V Superman continues to be its own beast.
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby verslibre » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:34 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:BvsS never explained how Lex knew that Martha was Superman's mom. If he gained that information from the Krypton ship, they did not show it.


Lex spent a lot of time (not shown, because this is not a Marvel movie where every iota must be depicted, as though the audience was the collective age of 9) gathering intel on Bruce and Clark. When he walks up to them at the party, he already knows their alter egos.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:It's really just another shitty David Goyer movie, the same "mastermind" who gave us Blade 3 (the Nolan films don't count. Nolan's bro cowrote those).


Only the first Blade is any good. Even Guillermo del Toro couldn't save the second one, especially with the Predator collapsible-jaw recycle.

Goyer's not involved in Justice League, it's all Terrio (script/co-plot), and Zack (plot), so maybe you'll find more to like there.
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby verslibre » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:53 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Murky cgi fight sequences set at night? Check.


I gotta say, dude, that's woefully inaccurate (even if you hated the movie). One thing Zack knows how to do is choreograph action, and those fights (especially the warehouse) couldn't be more clear. Hulk's finale consisted of static images panned across a blue screen. The action, the battles in BvS are so dynamic, they put most of Marvel's to shame. I saw it again last night, and the warehouse fight and the finale are worth the price of admission.
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:22 am

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The_Noble_Cause wrote:Murky cgi fight sequences set at night? Check.


I gotta say, dude, that's woefully inaccurate (even if you hated the movie). One thing Zack knows how to do is choreograph action, and those fights (especially the warehouse) couldn't be more clear. Hulk's finale consisted of static images panned across a blue screen. The action, the battles in BvS are so dynamic, they put most of Marvel's to shame. I saw it again last night, and the warehouse fight and the finale are worth the price of admission.

Maybe it looked better in IMAX. I was not impressed by a single action scene. The scene with the cops encountering Batman after he rescued the child sex workers was very well done. But everything else was disposable. The Batmobile chase...Martha's rescue...Doomsday....nothing classic here. Deadpool cost a fraction of this movie and was much more entertaining.
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:29 am

verslibre wrote:Only the first Blade is any good. Even Guillermo del Toro couldn't save the second one, especially with the Predator collapsible-jaw recycle.

Goyer's not involved in Justice League, it's all Terrio (script/co-plot), and Zack (plot), so maybe you'll find more to like there.


Blade 2 is great. Del Toro made it a symphony of gore and blaxsploitation. Nothing in BvsS implied that Lex already knew their alter egos. You are just making crap up now to cover for a really bad script. Also, if DC/Snyder trusts the intelligence of the audience, why did we have to see a flashback of Bruce's parents being gunned down for the millionth time? The Justice League cameos were also done with the subtlety of a Shamwow infomercial. This is a dumb movie for very dumb people.
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby YoungJRNYfan » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:21 am

Dumb movie for dumb people. Like those who can't connect the dots or understand why we had to see Bruce ' s parents die again or can't follow how Lex can know identities. TNC had a problem when Clark Kent showed up at the end of Man of Steel wearing the glasses and pointed out how dumb it was that people had to suspend belief. Now the villain is smart enough to know who Superman and the Hero's are and all of a sudden we have to know every single detail on how. There's enough there to connect, but the spoon feeding of America continues in today's audiences.

I can totally see why TNC thought Ant Man was better. Did you open wide enough for the spoon to make airplanes noises? Don't you just love it when mommy does that? :lol:
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby verslibre » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:26 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
verslibre wrote:Only the first Blade is any good. Even Guillermo del Toro couldn't save the second one, especially with the Predator collapsible-jaw recycle.

Goyer's not involved in Justice League, it's all Terrio (script/co-plot), and Zack (plot), so maybe you'll find more to like there.


Blade 2 is great. Del Toro made it a symphony of gore and blaxsploitation. Nothing in BvsS implied that Lex already knew their alter egos. You are just making crap up now to cover for a really bad script. Also, if DC/Snyder trusts the intelligence of the audience, why did we have to see a flashback of Bruce's parents being gunned down for the millionth time? The Justice League cameos were also done with the subtlety of a Shamwow infomercial. This is a dumb movie for very dumb people.


Where was the gore in Blade 2? Blaxploitation? First time I've ever heard that in reference to Blade 2. Btw, TCM is showing Shaft in Africa this Saturday night. :wink:

The death of Bruce's parents opens the film as a dream flashback to show what he was (and wishes he still could be) before his life became forever darkened. It connects to the imperilment of Superman's mother because Bruce realizes he can save this Martha whereas he was powerless to save his own mother, also named Martha. That powerlessness he still feels, in spite of his alter ego.

Also, that takes up hardly any time in the movie. You missed the other 145 minutes, man? Well, TEHO.
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby verslibre » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:29 am

Ant-Man's entertaining, though I think they should've cast somebody other than Paul Rudd. At first, I thought he was a good choice. I changed my mind when it was over.

That movie's like a fast food meal you grab on the road when there's no other joint around, but you're hungry. It satisfies temporarily, but you know you should've eaten better and you deserve to eat better.
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby YoungJRNYfan » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:32 am

I've never seen Ant Man yet. I'm not close to being smart enough of a human being, but I DO love Paul Rudd. There's something about that dude where's it's impossible not to like something about him lol. Did Ant Man slapping da base, mon?
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby verslibre » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:42 am

YoungJRNYfan wrote:I've never seen Ant Man yet. I'm not close to being smart enough of a human being, but I DO love Paul Rudd. There's something about that dude where's it's impossible not to like something about him lol. Did Ant Man slapping da base, mon?


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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby YoungJRNYfan » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:46 am

verslibre wrote:
YoungJRNYfan wrote:I've never seen Ant Man yet. I'm not close to being smart enough of a human being, but I DO love Paul Rudd. There's something about that dude where's it's impossible not to like something about him lol. Did Ant Man slapping da base, mon?


I love you, man! :lol:


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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby Abitaman » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:41 am

verslibre wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
This article pretty much sums up the questions I was asking as I walked out in the lobby (Warning: here there be spoilers).
I think Monker should def. see it. Failures of this magnitude don't come around often. In some respects, it reminds me of Ang Lee's Hulk - another film with highfalutin subtextual aspirations when audiences really just wanted a popcorn film.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/03/24/ ... -me-asking
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Why didn’t Superman clean up the World Engine?

I first saw this and thought different. My thoughts were why didn't the country let Superman clean up. Same with the ship down town. On both instances I thought that the governments where up to something by keeping them. Some secret agenda. Supes did not want to stir the pot anymore against him by taking them. Plus he could have tried and was stopped by the governments or the presence of Kryptonite, which he would not have know what that was, jsut the fact he got sick around them.
So I really had a different take on that than you.
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby Abitaman » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:44 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:This article pretty much sums up the questions I was asking as I walked out in the lobby (Warning: here there be spoilers).
I think Monker should def. see it. Failures of this magnitude don't come around often. In some respects, it reminds me of Ang Lee's Hulk - another film with highfalutin subtextual aspirations when audiences really just wanted a popcorn film.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/03/24/ ... -me-asking




Why is Lex Luthor equipping his death squads with ‘experimental bullets’?

One Lex is always doing something stupid, for such a smart person his over confidence has been his down fall. It never goes into detail what the bullets where for, but I took them as a way to see what kind of effect they would have on Superman. The effect was not what Lex wanted.


Why does anyone think Superman shot a whole bunch of people in Africa?

Hysteria, coming from the small backwoods rumors travel fast. Think Tarzan great white ape. They could have had plants to say Superman did this. Yes I questioned this at first, but as I re watched the movie and listened to bits of dialog, there was no saying either way that said Superman killed these people by shooting them. So it remains a question of how did they die. Cut some of the nightmare senses and this could have been answered better. So did he shoot them, were they run over to look like physical damage? They were killed and we go from there,
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:47 am

verslibre wrote:The death of Bruce's parents opens the film as a dream flashback to show what he was (and wishes he still could be) before his life became forever darkened. It connects to the imperilment of Superman's mother because Bruce realizes he can save this Martha whereas he was powerless to save his own mother, also named Martha. That powerlessness he still feels, in spite of his alter ego.

Wow. That is like, so, incredibly deep, man. :roll:
This pseudo-psychology was bad in Ang Lee's Hulk and it's especially bad here. The already infamously bad Martha scene where Batman sees the humanity in Superman was not profound, it was laughable. I could understand Tina Fey and Amy Poehler bonding over something like that....but Batman and Superman? I'm half-surprised they did not retreat back to Wayne Manor to discuss their favorite Taylor Swift CDs. The Martha name connection just reeks of the screenwriters' desperation to bring the two heroes together after spending an entire movie making them adversaries. If that's the best they could come up with, they should not have even bothered.
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:51 am

verslibre wrote:Where was the gore in Blade 2? Blaxploitation? First time I've ever heard that in reference to Blade 2. Btw, TCM is showing Shaft in Africa this Saturday night. :wink:

Blade 2 was rated R for violence. I think at one point they even autopsy one of the creatures, which is really just an excuse for Del Toro to show off fake viscera. As for it being blaxploitation... of course it is. It owes as much to Marvel Comics as it does to Shaft and Blacula and old Bruce Lee kung fu movies.
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby Abitaman » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:53 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:This article pretty much sums up the questions I was asking as I walked out in the lobby (Warning: here there be spoilers).
I think Monker should def. see it. Failures of this magnitude don't come around often. In some respects, it reminds me of Ang Lee's Hulk - another film with highfalutin subtextual aspirations when audiences really just wanted a popcorn film.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/03/24/ ... -me-asking



Why does Lex Luthor blow up the Senate hearing and kill his assistant?

I knew this was going to happen before it did. Not by reading about it, but the minute I saw they glass on the senator's desk and Luthor not there, I knew something bad was about to happen. Killing his assistant, it would look bad if both Luthor and she was not there. This way Luthor lost someone in the bombing too,
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby Abitaman » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:55 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:This article pretty much sums up the questions I was asking as I walked out in the lobby (Warning: here there be spoilers).
I think Monker should def. see it. Failures of this magnitude don't come around often. In some respects, it reminds me of Ang Lee's Hulk - another film with highfalutin subtextual aspirations when audiences really just wanted a popcorn film.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/03/24/ ... -me-asking


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Why does Superman stop Batman in the middle of clearly chasing bad guys and let the bad guys get away?

That I would like to know the answer to also. Supes should have caught them then stopped the Bats. I was confused somewhat by that. I get the point he was trying to make, but....
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby Abitaman » Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:02 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:This article pretty much sums up the questions I was asking as I walked out in the lobby (Warning: here there be spoilers).
I think Monker should def. see it. Failures of this magnitude don't come around often. In some respects, it reminds me of Ang Lee's Hulk - another film with highfalutin subtextual aspirations when audiences really just wanted a popcorn film.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/03/24/ ... -me-asking


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Last one for now...

Why is the Knightmare in this movie at all?

While I found they could have done away with most of them, they one where Batman fought the Superman Army was important to the set up of the movie. I shows just how obsessed Bruce was with Superman. How evil or what could happen if he turned evil. The time jump by Flash, while confussing, also sets up JLA. MOS, BVS, and JLA are one big story, that bring Darkseid into the fold. Batman's "army" dream show the Apokolips like landscape, the para demons and other Darksied references. I very much enjoyed those two parts of the film.
I can see where it would be confusing, both my wife and kids asked me about it after the film. Once I explained it to them, it was like a bulb going off and no of them are dumb.
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby YoungJRNYfan » Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:36 am

Why didn’t Superman clean up the World Engine?


At that end of Man of Steel, Superman and General Swanwhick talked about convincing Washington of his trust, but it has to be on his own terms. There was a mutual partnership there. The World Engine was Government classified at that point and pretty much a crime scene. Lex had to have authorization from the Government itself to even step foot near the Kryptonian space craft, which was shown in the crooked operation Lex was cleverly orchestrating.

Since Superman didn't want to interfere with the Governments trust, he respected the authority and let the due diligence of America take its course.

As for "cleaning up the scout ship", even if Superman wanted to "clean it up" there was no way to breach the Kryptonian system. At the end of Man of Steel, General Zod overrode Jor El's conscience and the ship was overtaken by Zod's command. At that point, there was no way of entering the scout ship without a command key. Superman's command key was used in the operation at the end of Man of Steel to open back up the Phantom Zone. Kal wouldn't of had any control of the Kryptonian command for the technology to allow it to open up.

When Luthor was issued General Zods body, he used the Kryptonite to scalp the skin off of General Zod's hands; issuing him the necessary bio-metric identification needed to enter the Scout ship. From there, Luthor activated the braintrust of the ship.

"Team me." After that, he had ALL of the information he needed to override the system as his own: Alexandor Luthor, which allowed him to create Doomsday from Zod's body.

Why does Lex Luthor blow up the Senate hearing and kill his assistant?


Lex's entire point in the entire film was to frame Superman and make the people fear him. Walter was shown on television spray painting "FALSE GOD" on the statue and had an obsessive HATE for Superman for taking half of his life away from him and seeing his family perish in the Zod fight. On television, you hear Walter scream out as he was getting handcuffed that he was Bruce Wayne's employee.

Lex used Walter's depression and pain/ hatred for Superman to lore him to the Senate that day and promised him a new wheelchair; courtesy of LexCorp. Told Walter he can still live to stand for something. Bruce Wayne lost many employee's from Superman's fight with Zod, so Lex used Walter as a pawn to make it look like Bruce lost another employee because wherever Superman goes, innocent people die and in turn, made Bruce pissed off at Superman even more that he needed to be destroyed. Lex framed the country and the people into duping fear tactics against Superman and it worked.

Why is the Knightmare in this movie at all?


This is foreshadowing the coming of Darkseid. It's showing a post-Apokoliptic world where evil exists in the world. But at the time of Bruce's nightmare, he was dead keen on destroying and killing Superman. His hate for Superman was running wild, so instead of noticing the signs of Darkseid, the Omega Symbol and the Parademons, he dreampt of Superman soldiers as well and feared Superman would one day go rogue and turn evil. His dreams convinced him more that Superman was evil.

Flash's warning could of been telling him otherwise. He's breaking through the speedforce; timeline of Earth and coming back in time to warn Bruce. He mentions how he was too early and that Lois Lane is the key and to find the rest of them (Justice League.) Flash says he was right all along and to fear him and that he was always right about him. Bruce thinks Flash is talking about Superman because he's "too early" in the past, but he could be referencing Darkseid.

That's the beauty in that scene, which is the HEAVY debate right now. What is it referencing? Does Superman go rogue; ala Injustice? Does something happen to Lois Lane or is Flash trying to convince Bruce that Lois Lane is the key to not killing Superman?

I've already flip flopped on that idea about 5 times and can't seem to settle on what it's telling us; but it's referencing the future Justice League story set in the future.

Why does Superman stop Batman in the middle of clearly chasing bad guys and let the bad guys get away?


Superman simply doesn't know of what's going on with Lex's plan. Clark Kent is reporting and only focusing on the Bat vigilante in Gotham and is following Batman step by step. It's why Perry White gets on Clark's ass for not doing the jobs he gave him to report on at the Daily Planet. Clark is too busy following the Bat stories. For all Supes knows, those guys are no more than low level; worthless thugs that the crime scene in Gotham see's everyday and something that the Gotham Police Department can handle on their own. Supes is more worried about the torture and branding of these criminals and doesn't agree with Batman's torturing way of Justice.
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby Abitaman » Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:47 am

YoungJRNYfan wrote:
Why didn’t Superman clean up the World Engine?


At that end of Man of Steel, Superman and General Swanwhick talked about convincing Washington of his trust, but it has to be on his own terms. There was a mutual partnership there. The World Engine was Government classified at that point and pretty much a crime scene. Lex had to have authorization from the Government itself to even step foot near the Kryptonian space craft, which was shown in the crooked operation Lex was cleverly orchestrating.

Since Superman didn't want to interfere with the Governments trust, he respected the authority and let the due diligence of America take its course.

As for "cleaning up the scout ship", even if Superman wanted to "clean it up" there was no way to breach the Kryptonian system. At the end of Man of Steel, General Zod overrode Jor El's conscience and the ship was overtaken by Zod's command. At that point, there was no way of entering the scout ship without a command key. Superman's command key was used in the operation at the end of Man of Steel to open back up the Phantom Zone. Kal wouldn't of had any control of the Kryptonian command for the technology to allow it to open up.

When Luthor was issued General Zods body, he used the Kryptonite to scalp the skin off of General Zod's hands; issuing him the necessary bio-metric identification needed to enter the Scout ship. From there, Luthor activated the braintrust of the ship.

"Team me." After that, he had ALL of the information he needed to override the system as his own: Alexandor Luthor, which allowed him to create Doomsday from Zod's body.

Why does Lex Luthor blow up the Senate hearing and kill his assistant?


Lex's entire point in the entire film was to frame Superman and make the people fear him. Walter was shown on television spray painting "FALSE GOD" on the statue and had an obsessive HATE for Superman for taking half of his life away from him and seeing his family perish in the Zod fight. On television, you hear Walter scream out as he was getting handcuffed that he was Bruce Wayne's employee.

Lex used Walter's depression and pain/ hatred for Superman to lore him to the Senate that day and promised him a new wheelchair; courtesy of LexCorp. Told Walter he can still live to stand for something. Bruce Wayne lost many employee's from Superman's fight with Zod, so Lex used Walter as a pawn to make it look like Bruce lost another employee because wherever Superman goes, innocent people die and in turn, made Bruce pissed off at Superman even more that he needed to be destroyed. Lex framed the country and the people into duping fear tactics against Superman and it worked.

Why is the Knightmare in this movie at all?


This is foreshadowing the coming of Darkseid. It's showing a post-Apokoliptic world where evil exists in the world. But at the time of Bruce's nightmare, he was dead keen on destroying and killing Superman. His hate for Superman was running wild, so instead of noticing the signs of Darkseid, the Omega Symbol and the Parademons, he dreampt of Superman soldiers as well and feared Superman would one day go rogue and turn evil. His dreams convinced him more that Superman was evil.

Flash's warning could of been telling him otherwise. He's breaking through the speedforce; timeline of Earth and coming back in time to warn Bruce. He mentions how he was too early and that Lois Lane is the key and to find the rest of them (Justice League.) Flash says he was right all along and to fear him and that he was always right about him. Bruce thinks Flash is talking about Superman because he's "too early" in the past, but he could be referencing Darkseid.

That's the beauty in that scene, which is the HEAVY debate right now. What is it referencing? Does Superman go rogue; ala Injustice? Does something happen to Lois Lane or is Flash trying to convince Bruce that Lois Lane is the key to not killing Superman?

I've already flip flopped on that idea about 5 times and can't seem to settle on what it's telling us; but it's referencing the future Justice League story set in the future.

Why does Superman stop Batman in the middle of clearly chasing bad guys and let the bad guys get away?


Superman simply doesn't know of what's going on with Lex's plan. Clark Kent is reporting and only focusing on the Bat vigilante in Gotham and is following Batman step by step. It's why Perry White gets on Clark's ass for not doing the jobs he gave him to report on at the Daily Planet. Clark is too busy following the Bat stories. For all Supes knows, those guys are no more than low level; worthless thugs that the crime scene in Gotham see's everyday and something that the Gotham Police Department can handle on their own. Supes is more worried about the torture and branding of these criminals and doesn't agree with Batman's torturing way of Justice.


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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby YoungJRNYfan » Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:01 am

Why is Lex Luthor equipping his death squads with ‘experimental bullets’?


Lois Lane cracks General Swanwhick into looking into the investigation of the bullet she finds in her journal during the shootings in the desert. Luthor is in cohoots with our very own Government. It's a setup to make Superman look bad. Swanwhick tells Lois what he knew, but he can't break the case because it's Government classified and he happens to like his job. If Swanwhick would go on record what REALLY happened in "The Superman case in Africa" then bad things would of came his way. The Government was in on Luthor's attempt to frame Superman. It was an inside job to frame Superman using scare tactics.

Luthor knows Clark Kent is Superman and he knows his love interest; Lois Lane. So the CIA set up the interview in South Africa and allowed Lois to report on what was happening (terrorism.) Luthor and the CIA knew if Lois Lane was in trouble, that Superman would follow, so they used Lois as bate to get Superman to save her. When that happened, Luthor's cronies started shooting everyone, keeping up with the theme that wherever Superman goes, people die and he's held responsible for innocent lives.

As for the bullet, it was created by LexCorp technology as an untraceable alloy that wouldn't be traced back to the Government, thus, covering up the Governments ass in case the case got hot.
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby YoungJRNYfan » Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:10 am

Why does anyone think Superman shot a whole bunch of people in Africa?


It's not that Superman would need to "shoot" people or kill them. It was to plant it in the head of people around the world that whenever Superman is around, you are NOT safe and innocents WILL die. He is plague for death and we should not accept an alien with great power or think he's here to help. We should FEAR him.

It got in Superman's head as well. "Must there be a Superman? And if he has the power to save your child, on principle, do we really want him to act?"

It was a powerful story arc for Superman and showed how divided the world was with his existence here on Earth.
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:13 am

YoungJRNYfan wrote:The Government was in on Luthor's attempt to frame Superman. It was an inside job to frame Superman using scare tactics........It's not that Superman would need to "shoot" people or kill them. It was to plant it in the head of people around the world that whenever Superman is around, you are NOT safe and innocents WILL die. He is plague for death and we should not accept an alien with great power or think he's here to help. We should FEAR him.


And this serves what purpose exactly? So Batman will kick his ass? The plot is more contrived than six seasons of Lost combined. Congress blowing up wouldn't turn people against Superman. It would turn people against the terrorists who blew up Congress. Same thing for the civilian massacre in Africa. Nobody would pin the blame on Superman for what appears to be the crimes of some third world tinpot war lord.

YoungJRNYfan wrote:Lex used Walter's depression and pain/ hatred for Superman to lore him to the Senate that day and promised him a new wheelchair; courtesy of LexCorp. Told Walter he can still live to stand for something. Bruce Wayne lost many employee's from Superman's fight with Zod, so Lex used Walter as a pawn to make it look like Bruce lost another employee because wherever Superman goes, innocent people die and in turn, made Bruce pissed off at Superman even more that he needed to be destroyed. Lex framed the country and the people into duping fear tactics against Superman and it worked.


Makes no sense whatsoever. Wayne, a multi-millionaire with presumably thousands of employees, would be driven to fight Superman because of the disgruntled behavior of one ex-employee?

YoungJRNYfan wrote:That's the beauty in that scene, which is the HEAVY debate right now. What is it referencing? Does Superman go rogue; ala Injustice? Does something happen to Lois Lane or is Flash trying to convince Bruce that Lois Lane is the key to not killing Superman?


Translation: Snyder and Co. are making this shit up as they go along. WB is one shareholder meeting away from pulling the plug on the stillborn DC universe and just making another Batman standalone.
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby RedWingFan » Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:38 am

YoungJRNYfan wrote:This is foreshadowing the coming of Darkseid. It's showing a post-Apokoliptic world where evil exists in the world. But at the time of Bruce's nightmare, he was dead keen on destroying and killing Superman. His hate for Superman was running wild, so instead of noticing the signs of Darkseid, the Omega Symbol and the Parademons, he dreampt of Superman soldiers as well and feared Superman would one day go rogue and turn evil. His dreams convinced him more that Superman was evil.

But then Martha!
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:44 am

RedWingFan wrote:
YoungJRNYfan wrote:This is foreshadowing the coming of Darkseid. It's showing a post-Apokoliptic world where evil exists in the world. But at the time of Bruce's nightmare, he was dead keen on destroying and killing Superman. His hate for Superman was running wild, so instead of noticing the signs of Darkseid, the Omega Symbol and the Parademons, he dreampt of Superman soldiers as well and feared Superman would one day go rogue and turn evil. His dreams convinced him more that Superman was evil.

But then Martha!


"Save, Martha"
"Why did you say her name?!?!!!!!!!!"

People actually defend this shit? After BvS, Snyder will be lucky to land a job as an assistant grip on a Ron Jeremy porn shoot.
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

Postby YoungJRNYfan » Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:48 am

And this serves what purpose exactly? So Batman will kick his ass? The plot is more contrived than six seasons of Lost combined. Congress blowing up wouldn't turn people against Superman. It would turn people against the terrorists who blew up Congress. Same thing for the civilian massacre in Africa. Nobody would pin the blame on Superman for what appears to be the crimes of some third world tinpot war lord.


Superman's purpose and the ideals he's trying to abide by is to help and stop these things from happening. He's a God on Earth and people look to him as such, so if he has the power to stop all that is bad in the world, then why is it multiplying when he's seemingly involved in something? What is the point if nothing is being accomplished? The point is, people are holding Superman responsible for a better world but quite the opposite is happening, so the hell with him. This world doesn't need a Superman. He's just as dangerous if not more dangerous than the terrorists themselves in this country. So fuck him and kill him.

That's the purpose.


Makes no sense whatsoever. Wayne, a multi-millionaire with presumably thousands of employees, would be driven to fight Superman because of the disgruntled behavior of one ex-employee?


That's what you made of that? Something over a "disgruntled" employee? Would you call victims of 911 just disgruntled people? The dude is a nutbug over the events and lost everything. Lex preyed on the weak. All of this showed to Bruce that Superman is the problem, not the solution. He claims to be a hero and that he's here to do good but he can't even stop a terrorist attack on our own soil? What good is he other than being a sweatband for more death. He attracts more hate in this country and he's a no good alien.

Besides, if you look at the history of our race during our most darkest times, why do things have to make sense in the eyes of the villain? Things normally DON'T make sense in tragedies to the normal human eye. Lex Luthor is an evil piece of shit who will do anything it takes to abuse the power that is givin to him and obsess ' s over the fact that what it means to human is being takin over by the ethics of alien cultures. This is the dude that is so caught up on his own cloud of evil and hatred towards Superman that he beacons Darkseid to Earth. Does that make sense? No, but neither does the insane.

What you're doing is pounding your chest claiming intelligence and forgetting the fact that this is still comic book property. Most of the time, things are going to be wonky in logic. Stop being so uptight into not realizing that.


Translation: Snyder and Co. are making this shit up as they go along. WB is one shareholder meeting away from pulling the plug on the stillborn DC universe and just making another Batman standalone.


You've been wrong about this the entire time. So I don't blame you for keeping up with the same shtick. Justice League starts filming in a few weeks and SSQUAD and Wonder Woman are finished, let alone James Wann digging deep for Aquaman. But whatever makes you sleep at night for the sake of your arguement, so, I humor you.

Maybe you're right.
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