President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

So, what kind of jam shall we have on our Cruz toast? He's history and Trump is the nominee by Cruz dropping out.

Cruz drops out, Trump clinches the nom, and Bernie on the rise again. Good night for politically independent Americans!

[Boomchild]

Did you see the look on Clintons face when that unemployed coal miner laid a photo of his family in front of her? The lying bitch wouldn't even look at it.

Interesting. Where did you see this? I would be interested to see it.

[JBlake]

Hillary can go sit and spin.

[JBlake]

Kasich is out today. Let the battle royale begin. I'm thinking the only way Hill has a shot in hell against The Donald is to tap the Bern for VP.

I wouldn't be surprised if those two chumps pulled that. The AH team, AssBern & Hildabeast. And if they lose, it would be 2000 all over again with the relentless recounts, much like the Sore/Loserman team.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Kasich is out today. Let the battle royale begin. I'm thinking the only way Hill has a shot in hell against The Donald is to tap the Bern for VP.

I wouldn't be surprised if those two chumps pulled that. The AH team, AssBern & Hildabeast. And if they lose, it would be 2000 all over again with the relentless recounts, much like the Sore/Loserman team.

There's a famous quote about the VP position being worth a warm bucket of piss. Bernie wouldn't accept it.

I still believe she will be indicted.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Kasich is out today. Let the battle royale begin. I'm thinking the only way Hill has a shot in hell against The Donald is to tap the Bern for VP.

I wouldn't be surprised if those two chumps pulled that. The AH team, AssBern & Hildabeast. And if they lose, it would be 2000 all over again with the relentless recounts, much like the Sore/Loserman team.

There's a famous quote about the VP position being worth a warm bucket of Granny's Peach Tea. Bernie wouldn't accept it.

I still believe she will be indicted.

Fixed

I'm voting Ross Perot.

[verslibre]

[Boomchild]

I'm voting Ross Perot.

Rumor mill says Perot is going to be Trump's choice for VP. Sources close to Trump state that he has said "Perot is THE BEST at charts and graphs". "This is going to be HUUUGE!". Other sources are reporting that Trump just inked a deal with Staples for the office supplies. Which seems to support the rumor.

[Boomchild]

Well well...

SANTA MONICA, California — During an exclusive interview with Breitbart News, former Mexican President Vicente Fox apologized Wednesday for the vulgar language he has used regarding GOP frontrunner Donald Trump’s proposal to build a wall along the southern border and invited the likely Republican nominee to Mexico to see the border from the other side.

I'll bet he hasn't pulled the plug on the Mexico liaison that has been going around trying to white wash Mexico's actions or lack thereof with respect to Mexican citizens flooding the U.S. boarder.

[Boomchild]

Did you see the look on Clintons face when that unemployed coal miner laid a photo of his family in front of her? The lying bitch wouldn't even look at it.

Interesting. Where did you see this? I would be interested to see it.

CBS evening News, of all places. also Fox, which of course, is where it broke. I'm sure it can be found on Youtube.

Thanks. Caught the story while watching some news on election results.

[Boomchild]

[The_Noble_Cause]

Reagan was the oldest person ever elected to the presidency. Judging by Bernie's campaign schedule, he's more sharp and active than anything the GOP has to offer. Indiana was an open primary. Bernie won because he unites Independents, Anarchists, Libertarians, Socialists, and Conservatives. He has something to offer everyone. He is Hillary and Trump's worst nightmare.

[ohsherrie]

Trumps speech was classic tonight. Hill can't do that, she sounds to mean. It rolls right out of Donald's mind and sounds sincere. This is gonna be fun.

I hope it is and not a disgusting, mud slinging embarrassment.

I don't think Hillary's base is as strong for her as Donald's is for him. In fact I think Bernie's base is more passionate on his behalf than Hillary's is for her, he just doesn't have the numbers or the money to fight her and he certainly can't beat Trump so I don't see him being the Dem nominee.

Actually a race between Bernie and Donald would be really interesting, but Bernie can't win and I don't think Hillary can beat Trump unless the Koch's and other big, dirty guns fire them all against Trump, and I don't mean just dirty advertising.

[Monker]

HILLARY CLINTON EMAIL CONTROVERSY

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Report: FBI interviews Hillary Clinton aides, including Huma Abedin, as part of email probe, officials tell CNN
read more on http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/05/politics/ ... index.html


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Huma Abedin has been interviewed by the FBI, CNN reports. Other aides to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have been contacted by the FBI as well.

Abedin has long been considered Clinton's closest aide.

Interestingly, just days ago Hillary Clinton said that none of her aides have been interviewed by the FBI. Clinton made that claim in an interview with MSNBC.

You all better start worrying about the Republican party falling apart....by the time the election happens, there won't even be a party due to all of the conservatives abandoning Trump and maybe even starting a third party. The party is so screwed.

[Boomchild]

[Monker]

Hang in there Bernie. The FBI is knocking.

http://www.investors.com/politics/capit ... ion-nears/

And, CNN is saying their sources in the FBI say she did nothing willfully to break the law. In other words - no indictment.

Gee, I'm like all shocked and stuff like that.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And, CNN is saying their sources in the FBI say she did nothing willfully to break the law. In other words - no indictment.

Gee, I'm like all shocked and stuff like that.

Circumventing the FOIA by using a private server to discuss classified state secrets is not done by accident. She broke the law and she is not fit for the office. Sorry. That's not a left or right issue.

[The_Noble_Cause]

How great is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYx9t_7NIn8

[Monker]

And, CNN is saying their sources in the FBI say she did nothing willfully to break the law. In other words - no indictment.

Gee, I'm like all shocked and stuff like that.

Circumventing the FOIA by using a private server to discuss classified state secrets is not done by accident. She broke the law and she is not fit for the office. Sorry. That's not a left or right issue.

It's not a left or right issue.

It's no issue at all.

It is very much like I said. There is a huge difference between Patraeus passing on books and telling the recipient "oh, BTW, there are top secret statements in these....and simply setting up an Email server to do normal business. It may be an incredibly stupid thing to do, but calling it espionage is a laughable exaggeration.

If she were going to be indicted, it would have happened a very long time ago. This entire "investigation" was a waste of time and money. The RNC should have to pay for it since it was really done for political reasons.

Instead of spending so much time and money on this, Republicans would have been much better off getting their own shit together. Trump is failing the party.

[The_Noble_Cause]

There is a huge difference between Patraeus passing on books and telling the recipient "oh, BTW, there are top secret statements in these....and simply setting up an Email server to do normal business.

Please define "normal business." Hillary's emails discussed the location of CIA drone strikes and some of her emails were coded SAP emails, which are as top secret as it gets. Either you are misinformed or deliberately obfuscating for your girl. There is no reason for a Secretary of State to privately contract a tech guy to set up a private server, unless said SOS had no intention of doing the public's work. The whole thing is a deliberate roundabout of transparency and it is, by any definition, espionage. You are downplaying it as if Hillary was caught playing Angry Birds on her government blackberry. This is a huge fucking deal. What Hillary did is far far far worse than what Petraeus did.

http://observer.com/2016/03/hillary-has-an-nsa-problem/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2 ... /82446130/

Instead of spending so much time and money on this, Republicans would have been much better off getting their own shit together. Trump is failing the party.

At least Trump is not under investigation by the FBI. And when it comes to issues that matter to working people (outsourcing, social security) he is more of a liberal than Hillary.

And, CNN is saying their sources in the FBI say she did nothing willfully to break the law.

And the article does not say that. You are just repeating liberal talking points.
The CNN article says: "The investigation is still ongoing, but so far investigators haven't found evidence to prove that Clinton willfully violated the law U.S. officials say."

And just who or what exactly is a "U.S. Official"? That could be anyone from Harry Reid to Bill Clinton to Anderson Cooper. In other words, it's fucking meaningless!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Breaches found in Clintons servers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pow ... -creators/

Your link contains 3 separate stories. The "breaches in servers" story is a completely separate story from the Hillary Clinton one. Does anybody actually read the links they post here?

[Boomchild]

It is very much like I said. There is a huge difference between Patraeus passing on books and telling the recipient "oh, BTW, there are top secret statements in these....and simply setting up an Email server to do normal business. It may be an incredibly stupid thing to do, but calling it espionage is a laughable exaggeration.

So now we are supposed to believe that someone in the high position of SOS didn't know or fully understand the FOIA. That she was stupid enough to make the "mistake" of setting up a private email server to conduct sensitive and classified top secret communications. That she has a lack of understanding that electronic hacking\espionage is a major issue with governmental communications and data. That sure sounds like the person you want to have the most powerful position in our federal government. Also, if I'm not mistaken, she hasn't admitted that it was any kind of "mistake" or that she did anything wrong.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Sorry about that. New yahoo format sucks. It gives you a portion then you have to click for another link.

No problem. At least you are not lying like Monker. As others have pointed out, the requests for additional security at Benghazi went through that server. Isnt it possible, one might assume, that her server was hacked and radicalists knew the Benghazi had less security than your average Middle America shopping mall? And isn't it possible, that the entire YouTube video lie was concocted in order to protect Hillary's indefensible circumvention of computer security? But Monker thinks it's no big deal. He thinks national security conversations should be conducted over the local Wi-Fi at Starbucks. I would vote for OJ Simpson before Hillary Clinton.

[Monker]

It is very much like I said. There is a huge difference between Patraeus passing on books and telling the recipient "oh, BTW, there are top secret statements in these....and simply setting up an Email server to do normal business. It may be an incredibly stupid thing to do, but calling it espionage is a laughable exaggeration.

So now we are supposed to believe that someone in the high position of SOS didn't know or fully understand the FOIA. That she was stupid enough to make the "mistake" of setting up a private email server to conduct sensitive and classified top secret communications. That she has a lack of understanding that electronic hacking\espionage is a major issue with governmental communications and data. That sure sounds like the person you want to have the most powerful position in our federal government. Also, if I'm not mistaken, she hasn't admitted that it was any kind of "mistake" or that she did anything wrong.

No. You are to believe the FBI doesn't have a case against her. If they did, she would have been in jail a long time ago. You are over-analyzing everything, listening to too much crap, and believing the opinions of pundits who are usually injecting their own biases into their commentary.

Again, there is a difference between handing off something to a biographer and TELLING HER, "here is something that you may find useful...and it contains a bunch of stuff that is top secret." and going about the business of being SOS, but using a private Email server. You can argue that fact all you want but the FBI disagrees with you - and they are people who matter. Not you, not me, not some commentator of FOX or CNN.

I didn't read some CNN article. I saw it on CNN with Wolf Blitzer and his panel discussing it.

The other topic of the day was Paul Ryan and his inability to support Trump. That is what I mean by getting their shit together. Trump is a symptom of huge problems in the GOP...which I have been pointing out for years now. A large portion of the GOP only wants to make a point. They don't care about winning the election. They don't care about Trump's policies, his ability to lead the country, or his qualifications. They only care about having their voice heard. That is a huge problem for the Republican leadership, which Paul Ryan is top dog of right now...excluding Trump. It is only NOW that he wants Trump to prove his roots are from a conservative perspective? Give me a break. If that were such an issue Ryan should have brought it up nine months ago. Now that Trump is the nominee, he can tell Ryan to fuck off...and there is nothing that he or the other Republican leadership can do about it. And, Trump doing that only further fans his flames of support. So, now many are looking for a third party or not voting at all...or even resorting to Clinton.

Think about this...YOU say Trump is more liberal than Hillary Clinton. If he were not running as a Republican, people like FF and KC would never vote for him and label him in the same way they have Bernie Sanders. But, now he is winning the nomination in a party that represents ANTI-Liberalism. Some people in this party it is asking too much of them to ask them to vote for Trump. It's like Pat Buchanan winning the Democrat nomination....it's just a crazy thing.

Ryan is saying it is up to Trump to unite them. Trump isn't a uniter...he is a vicious divider who leaves unhealable wounds. The entire Bush family is boycotting the convention. Boehner calls him Lucifer. Romney is anti-Trump and boycotting the convention. People are saying "thanks but no thanks" for being chosen VP, before they are even asked or considered. Trump is somehow supposed to fix this? Yeah, right. He'll tell people to either get on his bandwagon, or get out of his way.

Trump exploited a problem that already existed in the party. A growing anger at the establishment. Trump threw salt in that wound and antagonized people into being even more angry. All the while pretending to be the guy who is on their side and can fix everything. These are the people he caters to.

So, instead of focusing on Hillary, Benghazi, and Email servers....Republicans should have been focusing on healing the divisions within their own party. If they had, Trump would not have won the nomination...and Paul Ryan would not be telling us that it is up to Trump to unite the party.

[Monker]

Sorry about that. New yahoo format sucks. It gives you a portion then you have to click for another link.

No problem. At least you are not lying like Monker. As others have pointed out, the requests for additional security at Benghazi went through that server. Isnt it possible, one might assume, that her server was hacked and radicalists knew the Benghazi had less security than your average Middle America shopping mall? And isn't it possible, that the entire YouTube video lie was concocted in order to protect Hillary's indefensible circumvention of computer security? But Monker thinks it's no big deal. He thinks national security conversations should be conducted over the local Wi-Fi at Starbucks. I would vote for OJ Simpson before Hillary Clinton.

The point that you are ignoring is that all of the above is irrelevent. She didn't send a note to the terrorists telling them "Hey, here is some top secret info you may want to know..."

ANY server can be hacked. ANY server that has access to the internet has most likely been probed by hackers.

[Boomchild]

No. You are to believe the FBI doesn't have a case against her. If they did, she would have been in jail a long time ago. You are over-analyzing everything, listening to too much crap, and believing the opinions of pundits who are usually injecting their own biases into their commentary.

My reply has nothing to do with the FBI investigation at all. It is strictly about your description of what she did. Here your is your statement:

It may be an incredibly stupid thing to do, but calling it espionage is a laughable exaggeration.

So with that, I am saying that if she is capable of doing such an "incredibly stupid thing" while being in one of the most highest positions in our federal government, then it seems reasonable to think that she shouldn't be a candidate for the most powerful position in our federal government. Again, correct me if I'm wrong but she doesn't think she did anything "incredibly stupid" when it came to the use of a private email server for her communications as SOS. Stop deflecting by using the FBI investigation, Donald Trump or what the Republican party should be doing.

[Monker]

It may be an incredibly stupid thing to do, but calling it espionage is a laughable exaggeration.

So with that, I am saying that if she is capable of doing such an "incredibly stupid thing" while being in one of the most highest positions in our federal government, then it seems reasonable to think that she shouldn't be a candidate for the most powerful position in our federal government. Again, correct me if I'm wrong but she doesn't think she did anything "incredibly stupid" when it came to the use of a private email server for her communications as SOS. Stop deflecting by using the FBI investigation, Donald Trump or what the Republican party should be doing.

That's also ridiculous. First of all, I said "it may be..." It may be, it may not be...I was simply conceding that point to get to the fact that having a personal server was perfectly within bounds when she did it. It was only "an incredibly stupid thing to do" because it was unprecedented and she mixed personal and private Emails when she knew she would eventually have to turn them in.

So elevating it the way you do, or TNC does is laughable. It was a mistake. That is all. All of these people do it. Trump University was also a stupid mistake. Does that disqualify Trump? Did Iran/Contra disqualify Bush? Did "Mission Accomplished" disqualify W? The voters will decide. Just as Willie Horton did not disqualify Dukakis, or the hostage rescue didn't disqualify Carter, etc.

She committed no crime. She's not going to be indicted, or go to jail. And, she will beat Trump by at least 10% of the popular vote and be the next President.

I mentioned the other stuff because TNC brought it up and I replied to it. Instead of putting all of this time and money into Benghazi and Email servers, Republicans should have got their shit together. It is so bad that a third party may now be inevitable...and neither faction will have much power for at least another decade. Idiots.

[The_Noble_Cause]

...I was simply conceding that point to get to the fact that having a personal server was perfectly within bounds when she did it.

Please. Just stop. You're really making a fool of yourself.

Trump University was also a stupid mistake. Does that disqualify Trump?

Trump's shady business venture as a private citizen is somehow comparable to circumventing the FOIA, the Federal Records Act, and the NARA while acting in the role of top diplomat? Are you really going down this path?

Did Iran/Contra disqualify Bush?

Yes.

Did "Mission Accomplished" disqualify W?

Yes.

So in order to exonerate Hillary you have to resort to listing other Presidential misdeeds? Why can't you defend Hillary on the basis of her own behavior? Why don't you start by explaining how her behavior was a forgivable mistake while a US Sailor who took a photo inside a submarine is facing 30 years hard time?

She committed no crime. She's not going to be indicted, or go to jail.

You also said her emails were retroactively classified which is just as big of a lie as saying that Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice had private servers (they didn't). Both claims were used by Clinton, debunked, and repeated brainlessly by you.

[Boomchild]

That's also ridiculous. First of all, I said "it may be..." It may be, it may not be...I was simply conceding that point to get to the fact that having a personal server was perfectly within bounds when she did it. It was only "an incredibly stupid thing to do" because it was unprecedented and she mixed personal and private Emails when she knew she would eventually have to turn them in.

Your such a waffler. Pick a stance and stick with it. It was an idiotic decision from the get go.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The reason Hillary's aides were questioned.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/ ... -aide.html

No need to read it. Monker already explained to us that the Republicans forced Hillary's aides to be interviewed. And that the FBI is just doing the bidding of Karl Rove or, err, something. Oh, and the investigation is over. Move along. Nothing to see here.