President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[JBlake]

Hey F.F., didn't you love Obama making fun of Trump "cuddling up" to Putin when Obama was the one who said we just need to talk to Iran nice. After all, it's his administration that thinks ISIS needs love, understanding, and jobs.

Saying we should talk to our enemies is a lot different than praising our enemies leadership...which Trump has done to both Putin and Kim Jung On. Again, insane.

Obama has bombed the crap out of ISIS and has used that along with partnering with Iraqi ground troups to drive them out of major cities. That's hardly a love fest.

I suppose your idea of love is shooting Osama bin Laden dead and burying him at sea, too.

Yet another Monker lasp in reality. Putin bombed the hell out of ISIS. Obama sends flyers hours before letting them know they are being bombed soon. Obama bombed empty buildings. Obama could have hurt ISIS bad by bombing their oil depots and wouldn't do it because of Global warming. Obama is taking Putins credit. Do let me know when Trump bows to Putin, will ya? Nothing to say about the clintons selling out america for personal profit?

This current administration gave Iran the roadmap to nuclear weapons capabilities. Grave mistake and in a few years or so this is going to come back to haunt us big time... 20+ fold.

[Seven Wishes]

Wrong. Putin has killed over 10,000 rebels as well as ISIS fighters. He's just propping Assad, who will do his bidding as long as he's in power. You really need to stop the double standards.

[Monker]

Wrong. Putin has killed over 10,000 rebels as well as ISIS fighters. He's just propping Assad, who will do his bidding as long as he's in power. You really need to stop the double standards.

And, we JUST SAW the retreat if ISIS from Mogul and all of them getting fragged by both Iraq and US hardware.

THAT is the way it should be....not RELYING on a rival dictator (Putin) to help. Iraq should be doing this alongside us.

And, I was going to post a link to a YouTube of the above...but there are SO MANY videos of ISIS getting fragged by US/Iraq that I couldn't find it. It's denying reality to say it isn't happening.

[Boomchild]

So it seems that all the talk about this hacking has centered around Russian intelligence being behind it. Has anyone considered that it may be member(s) of anonymous?

[Seven Wishes]

Meanwhile, Bush staged an illegal war in Iraq that killed hundreds of thousands and led to strafe, turmoil, and the destabilization of the Middle East. If you think Bin Laden was behind 9-11, I have a bridge to sell you. The whole thing was orchestrated with the knowledge of a select few, and executed with military precision.

Hundreds of marines died in Beirut in due to negligence in 1983.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/ronald-reagans-benghazi

[The House Committee} issued a report finding “very serious errors in judgment” by officers on the ground, as well as responsibility up through the military chain of command, and called for better security measures against terrorism in U.S. government installations throughout the world.

So give me a break. Trump is a horrendous person and an even worse job creator. Just wait until they start unloading on him. They're biding their time.

[Boomchild]

Leaked Emails: “Steal NY & IA From Bernie, Supporters Will Vote Hillary Anyway

On Friday a trove of internal Democratic National Committee emails were leaked to the web. the emails show what was long suspected, that the DNC was actively working against Bernie Sanders to undermine his campaign, even though the DNC was supposed to remain neutral in the bitter primary.

The leaked email is just one of 20,000 damning correspondences between internal figures at the DNC. If true as wikileaks claims, then it is outright proof of voter fraud occurring on a national level.

The email was from DNC deputy communications director Eric Walker. It was addressed to DNC state staffers, and in it said:

“If the NY DNC and Iowa DNC ensures Hillary wins both states, it won’t matter in the long run even if Bernie supporters see ballot boxes stuffed before their eyes.
Bernie bots have the attention span of a snail, and the memory of a small child. By November they’ll forget what was done and vote for Hillary like the sheeple they are.”

http://marshallreport.com/2016/07/23/le ... ry-anyway/

[Seven Wishes]

Meanwhile, Bush staged an illegal war in Iraq that killed hundreds of thousands and led to strafe, turmoil, and the destabilization of the Middle East. If you think Bin Laden was behind 9-11, I have a bridge to sell you. The whole thing was orchestrated with the knowledge of a select few, and executed with military precision.

Hundreds of marines died in Beirut in due to negligence in 1983.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/ronald-reagans-benghazi

[The House Committee} issued a report finding “very serious errors in judgment” by officers on the ground, as well as responsibility up through the military chain of command, and called for better security measures against terrorism in U.S. government installations throughout the world.

So give me a break. Trump is a horrendous person and an even worse job creator. Just wait until they start unloading on him. They're biding their time.

Bush, Clinton, Obama, thank you for agreeing Progressives are idiots no matter which party they serve.

This is perhaps the weakest and most aversive response I've seen on this board in a long time. Typical Republican.

[Memorex]

Just going to leave this right here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DNCleaks/comme ... s_emailid/

[Seven Wishes]

No, it was just way too far over your head.

Trust me, chief. There is literally nothing you can say or conceive that's over my head. You have the reasoning ability of a brain-damaged chimp. What you failed to do was address the murder of hundreds of marines in three separate attacks under Reagan's watch. So, do it.

[Seven Wishes]

No, YOU are changing the subject. Johnson was a crook, and what he did was no different than the Bush/Cheney/Halliburton scam.

Not only are you not clever - you're barely equipped with the comprehension of the basic fundamentals of discourse.

YOU haven't addressed the three attacks under the Reagan Administration that resulted in the loss of hundreds of American lives. Please, draw the distinction for me, you dittohead.

You can't, because in reality, the Beirut attacks were far, far worse, and much more inexcusable (especially given there were three of them in 18 months.

In September of 1984, for the third time in eighteen months, jihadists bombed a U.S. government outpost in Beirut yet again. President Reagan acknowledged that the new security precautions...hadn’t yet been implemented at the U.S. embassy annex that had been hit. The problem, the President admitted, was that the repairs hadn’t quite been completed on time. As he put it, “Anyone who’s ever had their kitchen done over knows that it never gets done as soon as you wish it would.”

You would demand the immediate execution of Clinton had she said anything REMOTELY like that. HYPOCRITE.

[Seven Wishes]

Wow. So evasive and so predictable.

HUNDREDS OF AMERICANS LOST THEIR LIVES IN MULTIPLE ATTACKS IN BEIRUT UNDER REAGAN'S WATCH.

Address it. Try to weasel your way out of it like your troglodyte Fox heroes.

[Boomchild]

[steveo777]

Well?

[Seven Wishes]

Still nothing, fellas? Nothing? No comment on the hundreds of Americans who died in Lebanon under Reagan's watch in attacks that were far worse than those in Benghazi, and were allowed to happen three times in 18 months? No comment on your beloved hero President comparing to the last set of fatalities to an inefficient kitchen contractor? Nothing? I thought not. You are all so predictable. I have no idea how you live with your double standards. I know Fox news helps, and so do those debunked right-wing militant blogs from which you quote so frequently, but how does that work inside your brain? It's amazing!

[Memorex]

Still nothing, fellas? Nothing? No comment on the hundreds of Americans who died in Lebanon under Reagan's watch in attacks that were far worse than those in Benghazi, and were allowed to happen three times in 18 months? No comment on your beloved hero President comparing to the last set of fatalities to an inefficient kitchen contractor? Nothing? I thought not. You are all so predictable. I have no idea how you live with your double standards. I know Fox news helps, and so do those debunked right-wing militant blogs from which you quote so frequently, but how does that work inside your brain? It's amazing!

I haven't followed this discussion that much, but one huge difference is that The current administration has decades-longer understanding of the enemies and threat. In the 80's some of this was pretty new to America and it was certainly going to take some time to build a security apparatus. In the time and place we have been at since at least a few years after 9/11, there is zero excuse.

[Seven Wishes]

Still nothing, fellas? Nothing? No comment on the hundreds of Americans who died in Lebanon under Reagan's watch in attacks that were far worse than those in Benghazi, and were allowed to happen three times in 18 months? No comment on your beloved hero President comparing to the last set of fatalities to an inefficient kitchen contractor? Nothing? I thought not. You are all so predictable. I have no idea how you live with your double standards. I know Fox news helps, and so do those debunked right-wing militant blogs from which you quote so frequently, but how does that work inside your brain? It's amazing!

Who's been talking about Regan? You've said nothing about the thousands that died in Viet Nam from Johnson.So what?

Again, you've failed to address anything.

Americans died on the offensive against the Viet Kong, not in a consulate or in a military barracks. No comparison = invalid counter-argument.

Who said I supported Johnson? He carpet bombed Vietnam and he and his cronies made millions off construction contracts that had been signed before the Gulf of Tonkin "attack".

[Seven Wishes]

I haven't followed this discussion that much, but one huge difference is that The current administration has decades-longer understanding of the enemies and threat. In the 80's some of this was pretty new to America and it was certainly going to take some time to build a security apparatus. In the time and place we have been at since at least a few years after 9/11, there is zero excuse.

You're a smart dude. This is a ridiculous response. We had 20 years to get our Middle Eastern security in shape before the Beirut attacks. These are constantly shifting issues as tactics and weaponry change. There is simply no excuse for the Reagan Administration allowing our men and women to be attacked three times in 18 months, resulting in the loss of hundreds of American lives. Come on.

[Memorex]

I haven't followed this discussion that much, but one huge difference is that The current administration has decades-longer understanding of the enemies and threat. In the 80's some of this was pretty new to America and it was certainly going to take some time to build a security apparatus. In the time and place we have been at since at least a few years after 9/11, there is zero excuse.

You're a smart dude. This is a ridiculous response. We had 20 years to get our Middle Eastern security in shape before the Beirut attacks. These are constantly shifting issues as tactics and weaponry change. There is simply no excuse for the Reagan Administration allowing our men and women to be attacked three times in 18 months, resulting in the loss of hundreds of American lives. Come on.

You are missing my point. Reagan got his share of grief over that, just like any President would. But I 100% stand by assertion that the landscape is worlds apart from back then. That's just a fact. We operate in the region much more freely than back then, we have multitudes better methods of intelligence gathering, we have much more focus on the threats.

I'm not sure what you have been discussing here, but If it's a Benghazi thing, again, these are worlds apart. If a bomb goes off and kills some people, well, that's just part of the gamble. A bomb is a bomb and then it's over. It becomes an investigative and response operation. In the case of Benghazi, you have a series of stand down orders, long discussions about not wanting to upset the host country, etc. Truly pathetic stuff. Then you have the lies about cause, etc. I certainly can't imagine you are comparing Reagan's behavior to hers. Maybe I'm off base of the conversation.

[Seven Wishes]

Americans were held back in Viet Nam and were not allowed to win. It filled Johnsons wifes pockets with millions because they were invested in stocks of companies that supplied the war machine. Some day I'm sure it will be discovered that Kennedy was shot because he was going to not ingage Viet Nam. Regans deaths were sneak attacks that came from nowhere. By the way, who held the congress while Regan was President? Maybe Regan should have bombed asprin factories like Clinton did.

Ummm...I think you mean "Reagan". Donald Regan was secretary of the treasury.

http://www.nytimes.com/1983/11/02/world/reagan-aides-say-cia-bulletin-warned-of-likely-beirut-attack.html

Senior Administration officials and members of Congress looking into the circumstances surrounding the attack said today that while the intelligence warning did not provide details, it did include enough information about a possible attack against the Marines so that they should have increased security.

Specifically, they said, in the wake of the suicide terrorist bombing attack against the United States Embassy in Beirut that was carried out in a similar fashion earlier this year, the warning should have alerted the Marines to take special precautions.

Your argument is pathetic. The GOP has held the House and Senate for years now. Why no accountability for their lack of action on Benghazi?

Reagan enjoyed a Republican majority his last six years in office. You might want to do a little research next time.

And, I'm sorry. You're dead wrong.

[Seven Wishes]

I'm not sure what you have been discussing here, but If it's a Benghazi thing, again, these are worlds apart. If a bomb goes off and kills some people, well, that's just part of the gamble. A bomb is a bomb and then it's over. It becomes an investigative and response operation. In the case of Benghazi, you have a series of stand down orders, long discussions about not wanting to upset the host country, etc. Truly pathetic stuff. Then you have the lies about cause, etc. I certainly can't imagine you are comparing Reagan's behavior to hers. Maybe I'm off base of the conversation.

You really need to put down the Kool-Aid.

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2015/06/01/worse-than-benghazi-reagan-ordered-220-marines-to-beirut-where-they-were-slaugthered-by-terrorists/

In Washington, Reagan ignored warnings from his senior advisers that he’d put American troops in harm’s way.

“They had no mission but to sit at the airport,” Reagan Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger recalled years later, according to a Fox News report, “which is just like sitting in a bull’s-eye. I begged the president at least to pull them back and put them back on their transports as a more defensible position.”

This, coming from his SECRETARY OF DEFENSE.

]So why was security at the base so dangerously lax? In an interview with Navy Times in 2008, Dakota Woods, then a senior fellow with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments and a former Marine Corps officer, said it was a case of politics trumping practicality. “There was a strong political imperative to avoid looking too hostile or aggressive,” Woods said, “so Marines on guard duty were prohibited from having their weapons in a ready-to-fire condition.”

Imagine the outrage if it'd been discovered Obama was acquiescing to political correctness, and that, and his own ignorance, led to the easily preventable death of hundreds of Americans.

[Memorex]

I'm not sure what you have been discussing here, but If it's a Benghazi thing, again, these are worlds apart. If a bomb goes off and kills some people, well, that's just part of the gamble. A bomb is a bomb and then it's over. It becomes an investigative and response operation. In the case of Benghazi, you have a series of stand down orders, long discussions about not wanting to upset the host country, etc. Truly pathetic stuff. Then you have the lies about cause, etc. I certainly can't imagine you are comparing Reagan's behavior to hers. Maybe I'm off base of the conversation.

You really need to put down the Kool-Aid.

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2015/06/01/worse-than-benghazi-reagan-ordered-220-marines-to-beirut-where-they-were-slaugthered-by-terrorists/

In Washington, Reagan ignored warnings from his senior advisers that he’d put American troops in harm’s way.

“They had no mission but to sit at the airport,” Reagan Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger recalled years later, according to a Fox News report, “which is just like sitting in a bull’s-eye. I begged the president at least to pull them back and put them back on their transports as a more defensible position.”

This, coming from his SECRETARY OF DEFENSE.

]So why was security at the base so dangerously lax? In an interview with Navy Times in 2008, Dakota Woods, then a senior fellow with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments and a former Marine Corps officer, said it was a case of politics trumping practicality. “There was a strong political imperative to avoid looking too hostile or aggressive,” Woods said, “so Marines on guard duty were prohibited from having their weapons in a ready-to-fire condition.”

Imagine the outrage if it'd been discovered Obama was acquiescing to political correctness, and that, and his own ignorance, led to the easily preventable death of hundreds of Americans.

So you think the threat we face today is not more well-defined and understood than in 1981/1983? I'm not giving him a pass, mind you. I'm simply saying that aside from any previous issue, Benghazi was handled poorly for the sake of an election, for the sake of optics, and with very little regard to those who lost their lives. That's not just me talking, that's just a factual statement.

I personally hate with many passions Hillary Clinton. Truly. I find her to be despicable. That does not make me a Trump fan or anything other than who I am, an independent mind.

So there were warnings to Bill Clinton and George W Bush about Bin laden and even that planes could be used. But it really was not part of the vernacular. Even after the hideous bombing in Oklahoma, it just wasn't something that was real and solid. I submit the same is true for the bombing in Beirut. I was young, but I remember thinking how "new" that was for us. But when you look at Benghazi, there was nothing new at all. It was extremely predictable. I don't fault Obama or Clinton for us having been attacked. We are going to get that all the time. I fault them for not being better prepared and I fault them much, much more for not responding with all of our might. How many people have been found and arrested? You are saying we can't find these folks? Do you truly believe that? I don't want a country that doesn't send force without hesitation. I want a country that sends in help now and asks questions later. Because no one has the right to attack us, period. And anyone who has an idea that they can, ought to know what the outcome is going to be. We failed heavily that night. It was humiliating to me as a citizen of what should be considered the most powerful and responsive nation on earth.

I'm trying to think of any perfect presidents or any perfect people in military or government and there are zero. Mistakes will be made. I mean, I can look at Reagan and see the absolute debacle that was the AIDS crisis or Iran-Contra. Clearly, every president is going to succeed and stumble. I seriously have no idea what Trump would be. But there is no way our country should elect a person that is as dishonest and corrupt as Hillary. I can't believe we are even at this point.

Back in the 2008 election, I felt we would be better off with Hillary than Obama. I didn't care for her, but I felt he was way too inexperienced. Since that time, I have really paid attention to Hillary is. I mean, really looked at her. If there is anything I can't stand more than the next is someone that constantly hides their intentions or beliefs to win a vote. I fucking hate it. I know they all do it. And I am disgusted with most politicians for sure. But this woman is so dishonest. I don't think that anyone here disagrees with that, right? I know everyone picks their teams and so they have to defend their pick over the next. But looking at Hillary as Hillary and not in comparison to anyone else, she is a total disgrace as a human. Maybe this is what catapults a third party into the limelight, but I doubt it. Both parties are pretty good about quashing all of that. And since Jill Stein is actually having a voice, and because she is on the left, the media is doing somersaults to keep her name quiet. Sad. It's truly a sad time for politics in general.

[Monker]

2 years and 9 days without posting and now you are back. Is Hillary paying you? What's the deal?

He felt bad that I was the only person on the forum that was correct, most of the time.

[Monker]

Americans were held back in Viet Nam and were not allowed to win.

LOL...that's hilarious. You're one loopy dude. Yeah, Johnson lost the war on purpose and embarrassed himself so much that he limited himself to one term. And, he somehoe convinced NIxon to continue the charade. All so LBJ's wife made a few dollars with investments.

If you are going to buy wacko conspiracy theories, please try to pick ones that actually make sense.

[Monker]

So it seems that all the talk about this hacking has centered around Russian intelligence being behind it. Has anyone considered that it may be member(s) of anonymous?

It seems to me that Anonymous usually take credit for their hacks....they like the publicity.

BTW. Assamge said on CNN that BOTH the DNC and RNC's security was "swiss cheese" and has been for years...

It wouldn't surprise me if somebody doesn't hack into the RNC now....just cuz.

[Boomchild]

It seems to me that Anonymous usually take credit for their hacks....they like the publicity.

BTW. Assamge said on CNN that BOTH the DNC and RNC's security was "swiss cheese" and has been for years...

It wouldn't surprise me if somebody doesn't hack into the RNC now....just cuz.

In a recent interview with CNN, Assange mentioned that government security officials have stated that they were aware of breaches to the RNC's systems as well.

[Seven Wishes]

I rember about three years ago when F.F. and St. John handed Seven Wishes his ass dailey. I use to think he was around 13 years old. Looking at his current posts, I'd say he hasen't aged a bit.

I was quite friendly with the latter - even met him, G.I. Jim, and some others at a local Journey show. Truly great people, all of them. I don't recall getting into too many debates with St. John. We disagreed on a lot, but I respected him.

"Cut and paste from discredited sources" Fart Finder literally didn't win a single debate with me. Not once. When he couldn't provide an adequate countenance to my assertions, he'd prop up some hogwash off Breitbart that had nothing to do with the currently framed debate and parade it around triumphantly like some sycophantic Bill O'Reilly. He literally has nothing else in his arsenal.

Also, you might want to try spell checking every now and then.

[Boomchild]

[Memorex]

Warn a brother. Better off as a link with text that says "Don't look here during meal times."

[Monker]

>POOF!<

That's the sound of Trump's lead in the polls disappearing and Clinton leading by 5 or more pts again.

So much for Trump's "bounce".

Guess we won't hear much from FF quoting polls for a while now.

[JBlake]

Warn a brother. Better off as a link with text that says "Don't look here during meal times."

Actually I'll be willing to bet the Hilldebeast only wishes she had that body. She's more closer to looking like 300 pounds of chewed bubblegum in spandex the size of a car cover.

And speaking about the Hilldebeast, how many of your remember back when Vince Foster was still alive and the Clinton's were being investigated for Whitewater? Remember when the Hilldebeast denied ever even seeing any of the files, yet authorities had found her fingerprints over various documents in those files?