DC Extended Universe THREAD

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Schnepp liked it! https://twitter.com/JonSchnepp/status/760708598515261441

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The Schmoes (Kristian Harloff, Mark Ellis) are uploading their YouTube review later today, but one of their writers beat them to it with a quick text review. I left out the block quotes of Ayer's.

http://schmoesknow.com/suicide-squad-good-bad/43237/

Suicide Squad, The Bad We Truly Needed

By Cory Naught

David Ayer has a hit on his hands with Suicide Squad! This is the comic book film that fans have been clamoring for, for well…years. Not since The Dark Knight has a movie had a chance to truly examine a villain, but even that film didn’t delve too deep. It left most of the mystery to the eye of the beholder. Suicide Squad tears off the Band-Aid and examines what makes DC’s most amazing villains tick and how the team can gel.

Suffice it to say, long gone are the days of throw away villains. I think DC has raised the bar for baddies and with Marvel, they already expanded their arsenal beyond Loki and Thanos with the lovable it’s-good-to-be-bad team of the Guardians of the Galaxy. It looks like bad guys are the ‘it’ thing right now.

The good guys of this film are just as nonredeemable as their evil counterparts. Rick Flag has his own selfish motivations and Katana, well she is a very slick and very murderous assassin. Unfortunately this film is being saddled with some pretty poor reviews and the main complaint seems to be a lack of strong main villain. I won’t spoil it for you, but for this super nerd all the pieces seemingly fall in to place. Suicide Squad isn’t a perfect film by any stretch of the imagination but it is a refreshing look at the comic book movie genre.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Suicide Squad Review - John Campea

"Suicide Squad is a big gamble. The narrative of the film? A hot mess. The main story and editing? Hot mess. Overall? Fun film. Give it a GO."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9obpKrkLmiw

TheMoogly ‏@DrewAtHitFix 12h12 hours ago Los Angeles, CA
Saw SUICIDE SQUAD again. Big hit with the whole family. The characters land, and that makes all the difference.

[RedWingFan]

Handpicking reviews of people that like it. Instead of cherry picking people who don't like it, I'll just keep updating the overall review percentage. 34%..oops, back down to 33%
LMAO!!!!
http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/dc-fans ... eviews-264

[YoungJRNYfan]

I have a small handful of critics and internet personalities I trust and post them. Like I said, Mark Hughes, Jeremey Johns, John Shnepp and John Campea are the ones I follow. The RT website I don't take serious. It's no different than a NFL power ranking for fans to get obsessed or upset with. Make or break for me is release date, not reviews. I'll be upset if I don't like it rather than what the reviews say. No question.

[RedWingFan]

I have a small handful of critics and internet personalities I trust and post them. Like I said, Mark Hughes, Jeremey Johns, John Shnepp and John Campea are the ones I follow. The RT website I don't take serious. It's no different than a NFL power ranking for fans to get obsessed or upset with. Make or break for me is release date, not reviews. I'll be upset if I don't like it rather than what the reviews say. No question.

A more accurate analogy would be the scoring of a boxing or UFC bout.

[YoungJRNYfan]

The promotion of Geoff Johns earlier in the year is making much more sense. He's the answer to the turmoil behind the scenes at Warner Bros. The panic needs to be throttled and the reigns are going to have to be takin' in a direction of controlability. Geoff Johns IS that guy. Buckle up or pack the fucking bags, WB. Let the people who know what they're doing work.

Umberto Gonzalez ‏@elmayimbe: The Geoff Johns era begins with Wonder Woman.

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Handpicking reviews of people that like it.

I'm not lazy like you. Those are all reviews that came in my feed through the big channels like Collider and Heroic Hollywood. A shit-ton of those RT scores are by a bunch of nobodies who registered an account (Mushroom Cap's Movie Reviews, etc.) Are you one of them? LOL!

[RedWingFan]

I have a small handful of critics and internet personalities I trust and post them. Like I said, Mark Hughes, Jeremey Johns, John Shnepp and John Campea are the ones I follow. The RT website I don't take serious. It's no different than a NFL power ranking for fans to get obsessed or upset with. Make or break for me is release date, not reviews. I'll be upset if I don't like it rather than what the reviews say. No question.

Yeah, but your average movie goer will read the review in the NY Post or US Weekly, and there's a 2 in 3 chance that Joe Movie is going to read a crap review. You were crediting the crap reviews about MOS and B v. S with contributing to the box office plunge. Here it comes again.

[RedWingFan]

Handpicking reviews of people that like it.

I'm not lazy like you. Those are all reviews that came in my feed through the big channels like Collider and Heroic Hollywood. A shit-ton of those RT scores are by a bunch of nobodies who registered an account (Mushroom Cap's Movie Reviews, etc.) Are you one of them? LOL!

Well, some of the scathing news comes from the new York times, ny post, ny daily news, US Weekly, Chicago Sun times. I didn't scroll through them all though.

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"Average moviegoers" are the reason BvS made 870 million dollars at the box office. Did you forget about that, too?

BvS got a good review from Los Angeles Times, a "major rag." Anthony Breznican of Entertainment Weekly also liked it.

[RedWingFan]

"Average moviegoers" are the reason BvS made 870 million dollars at the box office.

Exactly! Because those moviegoers NOT going back for repeat viewings and giving bad word of mouth is why it failed to top the expected 1B. Down to 31%.

[YoungJRNYfan]

I have a small handful of critics and internet personalities I trust and post them. Like I said, Mark Hughes, Jeremey Johns, John Shnepp and John Campea are the ones I follow. The RT website I don't take serious. It's no different than a NFL power ranking for fans to get obsessed or upset with. Make or break for me is release date, not reviews. I'll be upset if I don't like it rather than what the reviews say. No question.

Yeah, but your average movie goer will read the review in the NY Post or US Weekly, and there's a 2 in 3 chance that Joe Movie is going to read a crap review. You were crediting the crap reviews about MOS and B v. S with contributing to the box office plunge. Here it comes again.

Suicide Squad is tricky for me this time. WAY harder to predict than MoS or BvS. Most casual movie-goer's may read a bad review, but they aren't conditioned to really care to understand the technical flaws these movies are suffering from. They really don't pay attention to that in comparison to established characters. In SSQuad, it seems the strength of the movie is character drivin and FUN. That's key to the casual's. They can overlook many of the technical flaws if they can leave the theater thinking they had a good time. SSQuad seems to have that in their corner compared to MoS or BvS and it's going to make it interesting.

Also, the crap reviews didn't stop MoS or BvS from opening to HUGE numbers OW. Reviews don't take part in that. Word of mouth is a bigger multiplier than the reviews. If SSQuad is a fun flick, it could change things for the overall outcome that MoS and BvS suffered from.

[RedWingFan]

I think it will be lucky to hit $250M domestic. $200 may be doable though.

[YoungJRNYfan]

I think it will be lucky to hit $250M domestic. $200 may be doable though.

I just posted my prediction on SHH not too long ago. I can't remember if I ever posted BO predictions here or not. Here's mine for SSQUAD:

OW: $125 mil
Domestic: $220 mil
Foreign: $380 mil
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WW: $600 mil

I had MoS at $700 mil WW and BvS $900 mil WW.

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http://comicbook.com/2016/08/03/wonder-woman-director-patty-jenkins-reviews-suicide-squad/

Wonder Woman Director Patty Jenkins Reviews Suicide Squad

Patty Jenkins is currently deep into the editing process on Wonder Woman, her own project with DC Films due to hit theaters early June 2017. But while she works on Gal Gadot's (and the character's) first solo starring film, she took some time off to attend the UK premiere of Suicide Squad, the DC movie that hits this week, and the last one ahead of hers. Jenkins took to twitter to offer up her review, and why she is baffled by the critical response.

"Uh... You guys. Super confused. Just went to the premiere of #SuicideSquad. Hadn't seen it. It's great!" Jenkins wrote. "Not sort of great. GREAT! I mean... I loved it. So surprised by some reviews. I don't get it. I thought it was awesome. And NOT just because I'm in the DC world. Truly."

[YoungJRNYfan]

I can't wait to see for myself. I went into BvS like "OKAY, here we go.." and just flat out enjoyed myself from beginning to end. Even more than MoS and you guys know I loved MoS. I just think there's such a huge disconnect somewhere that it's impossible to figure out. Fans take off and run with the RT stuff and the viral clickbait articles foam at the mouth.

What Jeremy Johns just said was hilarious:

"Though DC films exist to divide us, porn is always there to bring us back together." -Jeremy Johns.

LMAO!

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Tomorrow night at 6:30!!!

(Suicide Squad, not porn...that's anytime!)

[YoungJRNYfan]

ColliderVideo's Suicide Squad Review (Non-Spoilers)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV0DqVyj-2o

Great watch, as always.

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Right on, gonna watch that. Gotta check Schmoes, too.

[YoungJRNYfan]

(Suicide Squad, not porn...that's anytime!)

Hah! I'm actually going to watch Spermauicde Squeef tomorrow night. Can't wait!

[YoungJRNYfan]

WB are fucks! They better release an UC of Suicide Squad. These fuckers are so incompetent. Christ!

Jared Leto Says A Lot Of His Joker Scenes Were Cut From SUICIDE SQUAD

With reports of competing cuts of Suicide Squad being worked on by WB and Davd Ayer, is there a version somewhere that contains a lot more of the Joker? Could we be headed for another Ultimate Edition?

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/suicide_s ... de-a144199

[RedWingFan]

WB are fucks! They better release an UC of Suicide Squad. These fuckers are so incompetent. Christ!

Jared Leto Says A Lot Of His Joker Scenes Were Cut From SUICIDE SQUAD

With reports of competing cuts of Suicide Squad being worked on by WB and Davd Ayer, is there a version somewhere that contains a lot more of the Joker? Could we be headed for another Ultimate Edition?

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/suicide_s ... de-a144199

You're finally getting it!!!!

[YoungJRNYfan]

I love these movies and felt they were heading into the right direction, which they are. It's no different than the same conflicts that plaque every film, including Marvel Studios (who gets the pass.) Studio interference is nothing new and sometimes it's warranted, but WB is in no position to sabatage their own films for the worse. Fan service and backlash is getting WAY into their heads so I'm glad Johns accepted the higher role in creating this DCEU. It's all there and everything is in the right places, it's just WB promised they learned and fell right back into their old ways and ontop of it, are creating newer issues. Thank god it's still fixable. I just hope this is a wake up call not to be so knee jerk with the reactions and stick the course rather than swipe the rug out from their directors. This is twice now. Hopefully they can leave Jenkins' Wonder Woman alone. That film should be the tide turner. Looking forward to SSquad, but it's annoying as a fan they aren't releasing the better version and self butchering their own films for no reason other than insecurities. Ride or fucking die!

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Now that Geoff Johns is in there (in essentially the same role as Kevin Feige at Marvel Studios), we're going to see a lot less meddling via the suits. Between Geoff and Ben, I think 2017 is going to be a momentous year for the DCEU.

Back to Leto: the Joker is a HUGE draw. Jon Schnepp says this Joker is more fearsome than Heath's, more manic, and an efficient synthesis of all the previous film Jokers (including Romero's). Arguably the most famous comics nemesis ever, the Joker was even the first guy to get HIS own comic in the early '70s. That's how much of an icon he is.

And everybody, I mean everybody, says Viola Davis' Amanda Waller is the best thing about the movie.

I guess they screened two cuts, and Ayer's was the darker of the two, and the studio's cut got (what they deemed was) a better reaction. I like Fury and End of Watch, and I was hoping for an aesthetic somewhere between those two being applied to this particular film.

But it's still tracking to be a moneymaker. Here's BET's review.

http://www.bet.com/celebrities/news/2016/08/04/suicide-squad-movie-review.html

'Suicide Squad' Movie Review: Is There a Disconnect Between Critics and Audiences?

When the casting for Suicide Squad was announced, social media went into a frenzy.

Jared Leto, Will Smith, Viola Davis and more — the film appeared to be box office gold. Written and directed by David Ayer, the characters are anti-heroes everyone loves, especially comic book fans.

However, there is a calculated risk attempting to bring childhood heroes to life. We’ve seen the wrath that comes when superhero movies fail the fans (2009’s Green Lantern, 2015’s Fantastic Four, 2016’s Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice). Expectations are high, maybe too high. With Suicide Squad dropping in theaters tomorrow, fans are waiting to see if the critics are evil or sensible. In my sensible critical opinion, Suicide Squad wasn’t a complete disaster, but inexcusably mediocre. To be fair, the audience I saw the film with appeared to love every frame: big laughter, cheers for the action and clapping as the credits rolled. Is there a disconnect between critics and audiences?

Suicide Squad is the story of bad guys turned good. A flock of characters like Deadshot (Will Smith), Harley Quinn (Margot Robbie), El Diablo (Jay Hernandez), Killer Croc (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje) and more are forced to be weapons of mass destruction under the guidance of government agent Amanda Waller (Viola Davis) Things go comic-book-awry when one of her evil superheroes, a witch with a perfect body and lip gloss for days, escapes. Going by the name Enchantress (Cara Delevingne), she summons her hunky brother and is ready to destroy the world. Who will save the day? The so-called Suicide Squad. Yes, a standard (and predictable) plot, but it's the quirky, dangerous and witty superheroes who are supposed to save the film. Unfortunately, not even the superpowers of Will Smith, Jared Leto and Viola Davis can fully redeem Suicide Squad.

Ayer shoots for big explosions and quick action, but considering the film’s title and the characters, the movie’s biggest flaw is zero edge. None of the characters feel dangerous enough. We hear more about their evil ways rather than seeing the drama onscreen. Maybe Ayer was afraid of an R-rating (the film is a surprising PG-13), but the movie needed less Walt Disney and more Wes Craven. Still, I can’t deny the Suicide Squad wasn’t a crowd pleaser in my theater, especially from Harley Quinn, who delivered the best lines. Moreover, the actors mastered the swag of their characters, but whenever Suicide Squad attempted to blend storylines, the movie crumbled.

A huge blow to Suicide Squad is underutilizing Jared Leto as the Joker. From the previews, audiences might believe the Joker is the lead, but he barely has a supporting role. Although Leto's performance is brilliant, as always, the lack of the Joker was a huge let down. Smith as Deadshot and Viola Davis as Amanda Waller are interesting and at times fun, but not even these Oscar nominees could save Suicide Squad.

On a good note, the movie is extremely diverse. Superhero films are famously whitewashed, with the characters of color limited to a handful of fights and one-liners. In Suicide Squad, everyone is represented without tokenism. In addition, the film offered interesting themes of labels, identities and fear, deeply relevant for our troubling times. There are important takeaways in Suicide Squad; I only wish these cinematic lessons were presented in a better film.

All of that said, maybe critics are overanalyzing the David Ayer movie. If the audience I saw the film with is any indication of the movie’s appeal, Suicide Squad just might be the escapist pop movie the world needs now.

[YoungJRNYfan]

It seems they got the hard part entirely right, which is the team dynamic and the TLC for the characters. It's tough to pull off with this stable of characters, especially introducing a new Joker but it looks like they pulled that off with flying colors. It's the narrative and story that seems to fall off a cliff. If you got a guy like Ayers who knows how to tell a good story, the team chemistry would have followed even more fluidly and we would have had a MAJOR hit on our hands. The right things are in place, they just need to capitalize on trusting it.

The only part that made me cringe in that article was "It should have been less Walt Disney and more Wes Craven." That males me cringe in some ways. Ayers brings that element. That's what he does and they pulled that out from underneath him. All that said, I'm still excited and get more fired up for Wonder Woman every day we get closer. It gives me a piece of mind the studio meddling could and should be over after this.

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Some of the UK guys over on CBR said despite the reviews it's going to be a crowd-pleaser. They saw it and liked it, and it's going to have a big opening weekend. Might even set a record. The buzz is strong with this one. Just a few more hours...!

[YoungJRNYfan]

Huge Buzz. Heroic Hollywood went live on the WRAP now and is reporting Suicide Squads box office index going UP. Regardless of the critic reviews, blockbuster numbers. According to the numbers (33% First choice) the OW is going to be well north of $100 mil.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Kevin Smith on SSQUAD:

“The #Squad movie doesn't look like any other comic book flick I've ever seen,” Kevin went on to say later in his review. “The periodic use of both #Batman and the #joker as background characters instead of the usual leads was thrilling and felt like our first real glimpse at an interconnected #dceu. The cast is top notch but Harley, as expected, steals the show. The #jokerandharley beats are simply wonderful for a longtime fan to watch and make you immediately wanna see the all-Harley movie they already announced. Throwaway moments made me so happy (like Katana and her Soultaker sword) but this flick as a whole had me smiling the whole time.”

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^If Kevin didn't genuinely like it, he wouldn't say all of that!

This might surprise you, but the character I'm most looking forward to is Katana*, though I know she has a small amount of screen time.

*Katana was one of the Outsiders in Batman & The Outsiders (now that would be a great movie).