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verslibre wrote:Boomchild wrote:A 25 year State Department veteran who has worked directly with the refugee program talks about the reality of it.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin ... story.html
Totally anonymous, of course.
So you guys automatically believe that, but you won't buy into Stern's remarks about Donald? Tsk, tsk.
K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Monker wrote:
Oh, yes, liberals are not tolerant. They need to be more tolerant of racism, bigotry, talk of sexual assault, lies and hate. You know, all those things Donald Trump and Republicans want to be and support. We should all be tolerant of an attorney general who is a racist. Liberals should know better then to quote to congress Coretta Scott King during the confirmation of a racist AG, especially when those words were ALREADY SPOKEN without issue the last time Jeff Sessions had confirmation hearings. Liberals should know better than to be disgusted when a Presidential candidate berates women and candidly talks about how his power and stardom allows him to sexually assault them. Liberals should be tolerant of hatred towards LGBT community. LIberals need to just let everybody be their asshole selves.
Thank you for PROVING Tim Scott's point. Democrats had no problem reelecting Robert Byrd. Sessions defeated the Klan in Court, Byrd was a leader of it. Byrd was reelected until he died. A hero to the left. I could go on, but wasted time on morons, so I'll just let them be their asshole selves.
Fact Finder wrote:UncleKG wrote:"SEE YOU IN COURT!"
Ummm...you already have, and you're 0-2. Maybe go back and revisit your plan and make it something that everyone can agree on? No one wants terrorists in this country, but your order is obviously flawed.
Um, Congress agreed on the law in 1952, it couldn't be clearer unless you are a judicial activist or just plain dumb. OR IF YOU JUST WANT TRUMP TO LOSE.
“Whenever the president finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”
Fact Finder wrote:This nice lady immigrated from Pakistan and helped kill 14 people at a Christmas party, she was supposedly vetted.
Fact Finder wrote:
Well, now I know you're a nutter. Thanks. Where does BLM and the Antifa rioters fit in your world view?
Fact Finder wrote: 24 incidents in 5 years is hardly a crime wave.
Fact Finder wrote:UncleKG wrote:Fact Finder wrote: 24 incidents in 5 years is hardly a crime wave.
But six in the past five years IS? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks![]()
Worldwide there were tons of Muslim attacks. Call me when the skinheads blow up Mecca and kill 3000 or more. France is building a wall around the Eiffel Tower because of these pukes, you want a wall around Disneyworld?
Fact Finder wrote::wink:
Fact Finder wrote:Just admit it, you want Trump to look bad no matter what. In your zeal to accomplish that you will throw all rhyme and reason and logic out the window to reach the goal. Damn the consequences. You do realize, I hope, that if there is an attack on America in the next few months that the left and these Judges in particular will have blood on their hands. But if Trump looks bad that'll be okie dokie with you and Monker. We get it.
UncleKG wrote:Fact Finder wrote:Just admit it, you want Trump to look bad no matter what. In your zeal to accomplish that you will throw all rhyme and reason and logic out the window to reach the goal. Damn the consequences. You do realize, I hope, that if there is an attack on America in the next few months that the left and these Judges in particular will have blood on their hands. But if Trump looks bad that'll be okie dokie with you and Monker. We get it.
Please explain to me how it is "rhyme, reason and logic" to not include countries like Saudi Arabia in the ban. You know, countries that have actually produced terrorists who've killed on American soil.
I don't have to make "Fake News 45" look bad. He and his cronies are accomplishing that all on their own.
The buck stops with the Department of Homeland Security, those that oversee the vetting process, and the President. If he drafts an executive order the Supreme Court ultimately determines does not pass legal muster, that's on him and his administration.
Memorex wrote:UncleKG wrote:Fact Finder wrote:Just admit it, you want Trump to look bad no matter what. In your zeal to accomplish that you will throw all rhyme and reason and logic out the window to reach the goal. Damn the consequences. You do realize, I hope, that if there is an attack on America in the next few months that the left and these Judges in particular will have blood on their hands. But if Trump looks bad that'll be okie dokie with you and Monker. We get it.
Please explain to me how it is "rhyme, reason and logic" to not include countries like Saudi Arabia in the ban. You know, countries that have actually produced terrorists who've killed on American soil.
I don't have to make "Fake News 45" look bad. He and his cronies are accomplishing that all on their own.
The buck stops with the Department of Homeland Security, those that oversee the vetting process, and the President. If he drafts an executive order the Supreme Court ultimately determines does not pass legal muster, that's on him and his administration.
Why did Obama ban Iraqi's for 6 months and not Saudi Arabia?
Fact Finder wrote:
Uncle didn't answer your question, just obfuscated again. Why not Saudis Uncle?
.So, it should be no problem at all for you to find a pic of a known terrorist going about killing people, and then find him in the US after he went through all of the REFUGEE vetting.
Too easy, and tell me, were the Orlando, San Bernadino and and others 2nd, 3rd or 4th generation Americans? No, they and their families were recent immigrants in the last 20 or 30 years
And here's a hint Monker, we don't know who might be a KNOWN terrorist unless the Russians (or other Govs) tell us like they did with the Tsarnaev brothers. The terrorist usually don't carry business cards and try and look normal when traveling across borders.
Fact Finder wrote:It's the 9th Circus Court, they do this all the time to Conservative causes, that's why the libs always file out west and find an "aggrieved" party. The 9th is the most overturned Court in America because of their judicial activism. It's very well known. They don't give a shit about the law or Constitution, they will try and legislate from the bench and totally ignore the laws they swore to uphold because they don't like them. Thomas Sowell famously said years ago, "Someday the 9th Circut will find the Constitution unconstitutional."
Um, Congress agreed on the law in 1952, it couldn't be clearer unless you are a judicial activist or just plain dumb. OR IF YOU JUST WANT TRUMP TO LOSE.
“Whenever the president finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”
Since I'm not a lawyer, I'm going to defer to the judges who practice law to determine the legality of the "ban." Seems that if the law was that crystal clear, "Fake News 45" would have won at both levels so far.
Fact Finder wrote:Well, now I know you're a nutter. Thanks. Where does BLM and the Antifa rioters fit in your world view?
Fact Finder wrote:
Just admit it, you want Trump to look bad no matter what. In your zeal to accomplish that you will throw all rhyme and reason and logic out the window to reach the goal. Damn the consequences. You do realize, I hope, that if there is an attack on America in the next few months that the left and these Judges in particular will have blood on their hands. But if Trump looks bad that'll be okie dokie with you and Monker. We get it.
the court should not have heard arguments about the "religion" aspect. The order does not contain any language referencing "religion".
The state's arguments about what President Trump said during and after the election about a ban is irrelevant.
What President Trump most likely will do is reverse this order and issue a new one that addresses the issues brought up in this case. You can expect the states to go through the new one as well looking for "holes" to attack it.
Trump's administration has to be very careful when crafting these things to limit the possibility of being challenged. We all know the drill here though. The opposition is going to challenge everything this administration puts forth or supports.
K.C.Journey Fan wrote:verslibre wrote:So when do Drump & daughter quit having all their shit made overseas and "bring jobs back"?
When he has a cabinet and can pass laws. No clothing is made in america.
Fact Finder wrote:5:20 p.m. update: U.S. Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, has confirmed what many on social media throughout Texas have suspected: Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents are conducting sweeping raids and arrests across the country.
“I have been informed by ICE that the agency’s San Antonio field office has launched a targeted operation in South and Central Texas as part of Operation Cross Check,” Castro said in a statement. “I am asking ICE to clarify whether these individuals are in fact dangerous, violent threats to our communities, and not people who are here peacefully raising families and contributing to our state. I will continue to monitor this situation.”
Fact Finder wrote:Federal agents conduct sweeping immigration enforcement raids in at least 6 states
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... dffba072f5
Memorex wrote:Fact Finder wrote:5:20 p.m. update: U.S. Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, has confirmed what many on social media throughout Texas have suspected: Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents are conducting sweeping raids and arrests across the country.
“I have been informed by ICE that the agency’s San Antonio field office has launched a targeted operation in South and Central Texas as part of Operation Cross Check,” Castro said in a statement. “I am asking ICE to clarify whether these individuals are in fact dangerous, violent threats to our communities, and not people who are here peacefully raising families and contributing to our state. I will continue to monitor this situation.”
He said he would focus on dangerous folks first and see what remains afterward. I hope that's what he is doing. Eventually, everyone should be gone or legal, but let's get rid of the thugs first, see what the fallout is, and then go from there.
Fact Finder wrote:
Didn't Obama order the Border Patrol to do catch and release? Hell, if that just got stopped we could put a crimp on the crossings. Let the BP do their job and let ICE do theirs. I've been under the impression that those agencies have been sort of in stand down mode for 8 years. I believe that most LEO's have a good idea where 75% of these people are, they know the good from the bad and legal from illegal. All is takes is the order to go and it's game on. Butler County, the county north of Cincinnati regularly has a local jail population of between 14 and 25% illegal immigrants on any given day. That is a huge local economic issue here where Trump won Bigly.
Boomchild wrote:Memorex wrote:Fact Finder wrote:5:20 p.m. update: U.S. Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, has confirmed what many on social media throughout Texas have suspected: Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents are conducting sweeping raids and arrests across the country.
“I have been informed by ICE that the agency’s San Antonio field office has launched a targeted operation in South and Central Texas as part of Operation Cross Check,” Castro said in a statement. “I am asking ICE to clarify whether these individuals are in fact dangerous, violent threats to our communities, and not people who are here peacefully raising families and contributing to our state. I will continue to monitor this situation.”
He said he would focus on dangerous folks first and see what remains afterward. I hope that's what he is doing. Eventually, everyone should be gone or legal, but let's get rid of the thugs first, see what the fallout is, and then go from there.
I hate to burst Castro's bubble but even those that are here peacefully aren't exempt from being arrested and made to answer for their crime of entering the country illegally. That is the law and ICE agents have the jurisdiction to enforce the law.
Memorex wrote:I get it, but if you ask me where I want my tax payer money going, it's on the gang bangers, robbery dudes, rapists, etc. Not a mother that has been here since she was 14 and has 2 kids. Not saying she should not answer, but whatever the cost to us is for processing her is better spent getting rid of real threats.
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