They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[Andrew]

Pretty sure Australia has extreme vetting. As for Russia sanctions...they never have should have been imposed in the first place. A last minute dick move by lame duck administration on the basis of an intel report so shoddy that it looked like a stoner freshman's PowerPoint project.

Australia does currently have very tough laws, mostly concerning arrivals by boat. But the majority of people oppose these measures and the government is a far right conservative outfit that are deeply unpopular (and rules by assholes).

[Memorex]

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[Monker]

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Yeah....I would expect the REPUBLICAN to say that.
Again, the investigators vacation is just starting...so he really has no Evidence of ANY KIND. it is a very partisan thing for him to say. Making such political statements is more reason why there should be an independent investigation.

[RPM]

Pretty sure Australia has extreme vetting. As for Russia sanctions...they never have should have been imposed in the first place. A last minute dick move by lame duck administration on the basis of an intel report so shoddy that it looked like a stoner freshman's PowerPoint project.

Australia does currently have very tough laws, mostly concerning arrivals by boat. But the majority of people oppose these measures and the government is a far right conservative outfit that are deeply unpopular (and rules by assholes).

So most people there oppose the measures implemented to keep them safe?
its may be surprising how popular "the asshole conservatives" become if the
peaceful society there is disrupted by killings of innocent Australians by people who have no
business being there. Germany and the Swiss are learning the hard way...

[Boomchild]

Those racist Hungarians!

Hungary builds new high-tech border fence - with few migrants in sight

A daunting new barrier is beginning to loom over Hungary's southern border, capable of delivering electric shocks to unwanted migrants and armed with heat sensors, cameras, and loudspeakers that blare in several languages.

The country was a main crossing point for hundreds of thousands of people trekking into Europe at the height of the migrant crisis in 2015. A hastily-erected first razorwire fence and tough new laws have cut arrivals to a trickle, but Budapest is not taking any chances.

"Attention, attention. I'm warning you that you are at the Hungarian border," the loudspeakers say in English, Arabic and Farsi from the new barrier.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europ ... e=facebook

[Monker]

Those racist Hungarians!

Hungary builds new high-tech border fence - with few migrants in sight

A daunting new barrier is beginning to loom over Hungary's southern border, capable of delivering electric shocks to unwanted migrants and armed with heat sensors, cameras, and loudspeakers that blare in several languages.

The country was a main crossing point for hundreds of thousands of people trekking into Europe at the height of the migrant crisis in 2015. A hastily-erected first razorwire fence and tough new laws have cut arrivals to a trickle, but Budapest is not taking any chances.

"Attention, attention. I'm warning you that you are at the Hungarian border," the loudspeakers say in English, Arabic and Farsi from the new barrier.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europ ... e=facebook

Building a fence is not racist. Building a Wall is not racist.

Building a 30ft, 1900 mile wall is stupid. Saying Mexico will pay for it is a lie.

Again, wait until this hits congress and they try to justify it in the "budget"...along with HUGE tax cuts, trillion dollars for infrastructure, billions increase in military budget, and all of the rest of the Republican's LIBERAL spending and unrealistic spending cuts.

Good luck with that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xOS99T6-U8

[The_Noble_Cause]

Again, wait until this hits congress and they try to justify it in the "budget"...along with HUGE tax cuts, trillion dollars for infrastructure, billions increase in military budget, and all of the rest of the Republican's LIBERAL spending and unrealistic spending cuts.

Not a problem. Unlike Obama's stimulus project which filled a few potholes, Trump likes to dream BIGLY. Americans won't care about the price tag because the wall, like FDR's Hoover Dam, is a large scale project that will speak for itself. Americans wouldn't care so much about wasteful government spending if it actually had tangible results. As with the union vote, Trump is once again outwitting the Dems at their own game here.

[The_Noble_Cause]

However you look at it, Trump did not have this big win as he seems to believe. He won a very close election. That is the truth.

Trump flipped blue states that have not gone red in DECADES. It was a game changer. Biggest upset since the Dewey Beats Truman error. Sorry. By the time of election night, Trump had been all but written off. Two polls - LA Times and one other - gave him a chance. Others looked like the ones below.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Pretty sure Australia has extreme vetting. As for Russia sanctions...they never have should have been imposed in the first place. A last minute dick move by lame duck administration on the basis of an intel report so shoddy that it looked like a stoner freshman's PowerPoint project.

Australia does currently have very tough laws, mostly concerning arrivals by boat. But the majority of people oppose these measures and the government is a far right conservative outfit that are deeply unpopular (and rules by assholes).

Thanks for ur native perspective. Hillary still sucked and was not a better alternative.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Iran and Vietnam were not hacking into our elections.

The DNC is a private website. How is that "our elections"? If the Libertarian Party or Green Party website was hacked, would pundits and liberal morons like you be screaming about "hacked elections"? Where was your outrage or the calls for sanctions when China hacked the FDIC? Podesta's email account is not a national security concern. If I pay for web security, why can't they?

This is the equal to Vietnam sending people to help break into Watergate or Iran wanting the US to send weapons to release the hostages.

And how were the Watergate burglars caught? By a security guard in the Watergate building. Spare us the hyperbole about national security. Thousands upon thousands of websites get hacked DAILY.

Only the FBI and NSA do at this point.

Well, you discounted the FBI investigation into Hillary and said she "had permission to use a private server", so who cares what you say? You are a partisan hack. The Russia narrative was pre-determined. During primaries, Bernie was attacked for spending time in Russia. Hillary wanted to enforce No Fly Zones in Syria. Trump's surprise victory has thrown a wrench into the military industrial complex's plans for war. That much is obvious.

[JBlake]

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Yeah....I would expect the REPUBLICAN to say that.
Again, the investigators vacation is just starting...so he really has no Evidence of ANY KIND. it is a very partisan thing for him to say. Making such political statements is more reason why there should be an independent investigation.

US Senator Claire McCaskill (D) Clair McCaskill tweeted "I've been on the Armed Services Com for 10 years. No call or meeting w/Russian ambassador. Ever. Ambassadors call members of Foreign Rel Com."






Brit Hume
@brithume · 3h3 hours ago

""The last time I was in the Senate dining room, Feinstein was having lunch with the Russsian amb. I never gave it a second thought.""


Byron York‏Verified account
@ByronYork

""On CNN, Sen. Dianne Feinstein describes meetings with Russian ambassador. 'I believe he's been in my office from time to time.""

Well FF, this is just how the Dems and Libs roll. Hypocrites to the core. Remember not so long ago when Bill Clinton met with Lorretta Lynch privately on the tarmac of the plane she was traveling in during the time his wife (Hillary) was being investigated for dereliction of duty (among a very wide array of other things) during the time she was SOS? These fuckers disgust the piss out of me but hey, so does someone else's dog shit on my lawn. You just need to learn to live with it I guess.

[JBlake]

Make no mistake, the Dems went on that rampage yesterday because Trumps speech on Tuesday night scared the hell out of them. When libs see someone successful they instinctively have to tear them down a notch, see Bush when he had a 73% approval rating for the Iraq War. The Dems could not let that approval rating stand so off the charts they went on every real or perceived slip up Bush may or may not have made. SOP for the mental party.

Yet another Dem Lib trait. I've witnessed this one quite frequently in the work place, among other places. When someone does good by hard work, honesty, etc. etc., instead of working hard to bring themselves up to par, they instead make that person look bad in whatever way possible, "whatever it takes" mentality instead of working hard themselves to go up to and/or above. That's how the dem libs roll. Someone does good, it's much easier for them to paint that person in a negative shade then it is to actually pull their head out of their ass to straighten up and fly right.

[Monker]

TNC,

Are you sure you didn't take a break because you had a stroke or some type of mental breakdown? You are all over the place in your reply...not even really replying to my post but just writing a bunch of random crap. It's to a point where I can't even reply to your post.

All of Trump's liberal spending and monsterous tax cuts isn't going to get past congress. He'll propose a budget and it will be DOA, just like all Presidential budgets are. Then we'll see what congress works out...and if Trump hates it enough to veto it.

That is where the rubber meets the road on all of this crap Trump wants to do, legislatively. And, it has not much to do with Democrats...it has to do with fiscal conservative Republicans who were voted in to reign in Obama's spending...and simple conservative sensibilities. They complained when W. did this, and are hypocrites if they allow Trump to do THE EXACT SAME THING.

Yes, Trump won. Were you not able to read the part where I said you could not take his electoral win away from him? But, again, the FACT is that it was not this huge vicory that he seems to think it is. He does not have any type of mandate. He LOST the popular vote. More people are against him then are for him. That is reality, not Democrat spin. It's a reality that he does not want to face...and it seems you don't either.

I'm sorry, but Russia trying to influence who our President is by hacking and possibly colusion with their prefered candidate is a MUCH bigger problem then China hacking into the FDIC, which wasn't talked about here by ANYONE. Donald Judas Trump's time as President is going to be saturated by serious scandal.

[Monker]

Make no mistake, the Dems went on that rampage yesterday because Trumps speech on Tuesday night scared the hell out of them. When libs see someone successful they instinctively have to tear them down a notch, see Bush when he had a 73% approval rating for the Iraq War. The Dems could not let that approval rating stand so off the charts they went on every real or perceived slip up Bush may or may not have made. SOP for the mental party.

What an absolute bunch of crap. After 9/11, the Democrats and the press let W. get away with so much stuff it was ridiculous. It was much too late when the press and Democrats starting critiquing him. They were ALL afraid of being labeled 'unpatriotied' and against the troops, etc.

Whatever critique W received shortly after 9/11, he deserved 10x more. Please, his advice to America at the time was to go shopping. How pathetic.

As for Sessions, he got what he deserved and recusing himself was the right thing to do...he was even getting pressure from some Republicans. If anything else comes up, he will be pressured by Republicans to resign...and he should.

[Monker]

And, what is it called when you pull an article written weeks ago as evidence of some modern point?

It's called spin. Liberals thrive on it.

"The very same media organizations, like the New York Times, that blasted conservatives for using Barack Obama’s middle name, Hussein, are making sure everyone knows that Senator Jeff Sessions’ middle name is Beauregard. They also want you to know he hated the NAACP and did not mind the KKK. This is a reckless distortion of the truth and it shows the media really has learned nothing from last week’s election.

The truth is that Jeff Sessions oversaw desegregation of schools in Alabama, which you would think a racist would not do.

Jeff Sessions also sought and obtained the death penalty against the head of the KKK in Alabama.

As a U.S. Attorney he filed several cases to desegregate schools in Alabama. And he also prosecuted the head of the state Klan, Henry Francis Hays, for abducting and killing Michael Donald, a black teenager selected at random. Sessions insisted on the death penalty for Hays. When he was later elected the state Attorney General, Sessions followed through and made sure Hays was executed. The successful prosecution of Hays also led to a $7 million civil judgment against the Klan, effectively breaking the back of the KKK in Alabama.

It is rarely what the media does not tell you that shows bias. It is how the media tells stories and the facts the media leaves out of otherwise reported stories that show the bias. Playing up Sessions’ middle name and hearsay allegations against him while ignoring the very real fights against racism in Alabama that he waged really is bias."

[JBlake]

Wow, is this fact or fiction?

US lawmaker calls for probe into possible $418M arms sale to Kenya

[Monker]

Make no mistake, the Dems went on that rampage yesterday because Trumps speech on Tuesday night scared the hell out of them. When libs see someone successful they instinctively have to tear them down a notch, see Bush when he had a 73% approval rating for the Iraq War. The Dems could not let that approval rating stand so off the charts they went on every real or perceived slip up Bush may or may not have made. SOP for the mental party.

What an absolute bunch of crap. After 9/11, the Democrats and the press let W. get away with so much stuff it was ridiculous. It was much too late when the press and Democrats starting critiquing him. They were ALL afraid of being labeled 'unpatriotied' and against the troops, etc.

Whatever critique W received shortly after 9/11, he deserved 10x more. Please, his advice to America at the time was to go shopping. How pathetic.

As for Sessions, he got what he deserved and recusing himself was the right thing to do...he was even getting pressure from some Republicans. If anything else comes up, he will be pressured by Republicans to resign...and he should.

Just keep telling yourself that.

I was in the midst of the shit on the old Journey Water Cooler forum. In fact, I argued so much against W that one of the conservative moderators kicked me off without even notifying me. When I asked JourneyCat about it, she apologized and let me back on. The fact is, I argued this topic daily...because NOBODY ELSE WAS.

The Democrats were acting like a bunch of pussies and let W have whatever he wanted and get away with whatever he wanted. All Republicans had to do was start calling people unpatriotic or against the troops, and the Democrats caved. The entire vote for the Iraq war was BS because of how strangled Democrats were allowing themselves to be, Clinton included. The real political heroes at that time were the few who stood up against the war and W. You could probably count them on one hand at that time. People like Bill Maher being so against it that he lost his network show, or Jesse Ventura calling the Bush administration a bunch of Chicken-Hawks who don't even understand war. Those are political heroes going against the norm and putting themselves out there for the ravenous bugblatter beasts to rip them apart verbally. Rumssfield, Cheney, W, and the rest of the clan are cowards who led this nation into the biggest foreign policy mistake in its history...which I am sure Trump will be able to equal or beat that level of stupidity. He sure is off to a good start.

The press hardly scrutinized the lead up to the war at all. They let it happen...for the very same reason, too afraid being labeled by the administration. In later years, they even admitted it. IMO, CNN and MSNBC should welcome Trump's, and the alt-right's, critique - because it says they are doing their fucking job, unlike those who bask in the orange glow of Trump's approval. If they had done the same back during W's time, there may not have been much of a war in Iraq...or at least it would not have dove into nation building.

[Monker]

You want to add that 9/11 was only 9 months into "W's" first term

Who gives a shit? His entire first term the Democrats and press were pussies. They didn't push him on ANYTHING.

and he won because people were sick of Clinton and Democrats

Bullshit. Gore ran away from Clinton and did not ask him to campaign for him. That is part of the reason why he LOST. Clinton was very popular at the time of that campaign. Read the number, if you can: http://www.gallup.com/poll/116584/presi ... inton.aspx

much like they are now.

Oh, I thought it was a backlash against the ESTABLISHMENT. Can't say that about W, can you...so you modify your propaganda.

The economy was starting to recover when the towers came down. I know you'll lie about it, but Clinton handed Bush a recession.

That's just BULLSHIT, too. Here we are over a year into W's term and Republicans start blaming Clinton for W's recession...because of a small dip in the numbers towards the end of his term. And, what was W's response to the recession? Tax cuts...and they DIDN'T WORK. Though giving the early refund did work - to help him get reelected.

Even if Clinton DID hand W a recession, W had YEARS to fix it - and failed. That failure is NOT Clinton's fault.

And, the shifting of the start date of the recession was political anyway: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -recession

He was a laughing stock around the world.

Yep, W certainly was.

Obama not screwed the pooch and whimped out of Iraq, but cut a deal to stay longer, the Middle East wouldn't be the cluster fuck it is today.

More of your bullshit. It is well documented that Obama did try to negotiate to stay in Iraq. IRAQ wanted us out, and frankly the American people wanted us out, too. Staying was NOT AN OPTION.

You are writing fiction when you say if we had stayed the middle east would not be a "cluster fuck". You do not know that. The fact is that the middle east is ALWAYS a cluster fuck - whether we are there or not. Want to change that? End our addiction to oil and it will not be in our interest if they kill each other...we'll care about the middle east about as much as we do for the countries in Africa or South America.

And yes, had Bush not gone in the first place

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If W had not gone in the first place Saddam would still be there and Trump would be praising him, too.

[Monker]

I wish he'd he go for it. Now that we have a real DOJ, I wish they'd look into the Clintons. Prison suits them well.

Won't happen. Sessions and Trump are more worried about keeping themselves out of jail at this point.

[Monker]

October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new,
narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in
Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found —
but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons,
Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration
is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech
surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

Wow, so there was enough evidence to get wire taps. Donald Judas Trump is in big trouble.

[Monker]

October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new,
narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in
Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found —
but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons,
Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration
is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech
surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

Wow, so there was enough evidence to convince a court to approve wire taps. Donald Judas Trump is in big trouble.

[Monker]

Wow, what a paranoid weirdo.

In any case, "something" was shown to Trump to make him believe this. The NSA doesn't have to "tap" phones...so it may have come from them and Trump's disillusions want to blame Obama.

But, whatever....Trump is on a sinking ship - and he knows it.

Donald J. Trump Verified account @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!

Donald J. Trump Verified account @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

I’d bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!

Donald J. Trump Verified account @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

Is it legal for a sitting President to be “wire tapping” a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!

Donald J. Trump Verified account @realDonaldTrump 3h3 hours ago

Just out: The same Russian Ambassador that met Jeff Sessions visited the Obama White House 22 times, and 4 times last year alone.

Donald J. Trump Verified account @realDonaldTrump 3h3 hours ago

Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my “wires tapped” in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

Donald J. Trump Verified account @realDonaldTrump 3h3 hours ago

The first meeting Jeff Sessions had with the Russian Amb was set up by the Obama Administration under education program for 100 Ambs......

[Memorex]

I wish he'd he go for it. Now that we have a real DOJ, I wish they'd look into the Clintons. Prison suits them well.

Won't happen. Sessions and Trump are more worried about keeping themselves out of jail at this point.

Did something happen? What would they go to jail for? I hadn't heard.

[Monker]

SOP for Obama.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/govt-obt ... ords-probe

Remember, he tapped Merkel too.

No, this is completely different. If you read that article, no warrant was necessary. No judge had to approve this.

Angela Merkle had her cell phone monitored....which is what the NSA does. According to W, no approval by a judge is required. Trump had his land lines tapped at Trump Tower...completely different. Though, I am sure his cell phone(s) are monitored by the NSA.

What happened to Trump had to be justified before a judge. That means that a JUDGE had to be convinced with evidence that there was probable cause to tap Trumps phones. That is BAD NEWS for Trump. HE is being investigated by the FBI and probably the NSA.

This is at a point now where it needs to be public. It sounds to me that Trump is VERY close to being impeached for "something".

[Monker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcxgWuTQS4k

[verslibre]

Hearing that Trump has been in a 3 hour meeting this morning at the Palm Beach Library. Press doesn't know who he's meeting with and why are they meeting in the library and not at Mar-a-Lago.

Is Trump using a secure room at the library that nobody knew he'd use beforehand to avoid bugs?

This shit is right out of MAD Magazine.

[Monker]

Wow, talk about 'fake news'. This forum is festering in it now.

Guess Bommchild isn't the only one here who has a collection of tin foil hats.

[Memorex]

Wow, talk about 'fake news'. This forum is festering in it now.

Guess Bommchild isn't the only one here who has a collection of tin foil hats.

I would normally agree with you, but there are already proven stories of Obama Admin tapping private citizens (i.e. reporter and her parents), foreign leaders, etc. It's factual that Trump was being surveyed by the Admin, but proof has yet to be seen if it was directed by Obama himself.

Bill meets Lynch on the plane in June. Tap requested shortly thereafter. So it could have been Lynch and not Obama. But I highly doubt anyone in the justice department is going to tap Trump, an Obama enemy and the candidate facing Obama's chosen candidate, without running it by him.

I think that to think he wasn't involved is much more of a reach than to think he was.

Also, say what you want about Trump, but I highly doubt he'd tweet something like that without having some kind of backing. And again, it is true, outside of not knowing if Obama ordered it directly.

[verslibre]

You doubt he would say it "without cause"?

Come on, the guy's an attention whore. I thought we all understood and acknowledged this.

[slucero]

...and outsourced mail service is now "a covert server linking the Trump Organization to a Russian-based bank."


hahahaha