They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[Memorex]

Remember when we used to be a free country? Goodbye to all that.

[JBlake]

Wow, Wikileaks has unloaded tons of CIA secrets this morning, may be time to dump those computers, smart phones and smart tv's, oh, and your cars too.

CIA can remote drive your car after 2014 if I'm hearing right, still trying to soak up this info.

Yeah this is a huge story this morning. One thing that stuck out for me was this piece of information:

"The CIA additionally failed to disclose security vulnerabilities and bugs to major U.S. software manufacturers, violating an Obama administration commitment made in January 2014."

There is a big difference between what is "law and rules" and what is really being done. Obama and his administration is no different. They say one thing but do another. Plain and simple. Obama knew exactly what was really going on all along. We're going to see just how much "development" over the past 8 years went into this system. Remember, there was a time not too many years ago when hardly anyone believed the IRS could possibly target specific groups.

[JBlake]

So now we got documentation that the CIA had a setup overseas to make it look like the Russians were involved in hacking, and top Dems (including but not limited to) Obama pushed the claim that Russia hacked (among other things) the election. Sounds about right.

[JBlake]

again Fwiw...


Michael‏ @Traded_Up More @KimDotcom @realDonaldTrump It's coming out that Nancy Pelosi asked Obama for Trump wiretap in an email! Spread the word! They're Caught!

I'll have to wait and see what support documentation they got on this claim. I didn't think Pelosi could do much since she's busy fighting dementia.

[slucero]

really can't make this shit up.... the NYT as the smoking gun is eeffing HILARIOUS..



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/p ... ation.html

The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.

So now "O" is implicated...

[Monker]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/23/politics/flynn-russia-calls-investigation/


From Jan 23rd. Flynn was IN TRUMP TOWER when he was bugged talking to Russian Amb.

It is repeated numerous times that the calls were monitored due to routine tracking of the Russian ambassador. Nothing is said about bugging Flynn or Trump Tower. You are making shit up.

As has been said FROM THE BEGINNING...this started from NSA monitoring Russia and then hearing Trump people talking. That was said all the way back in January. You are trying rewrite history.

[Monker]

Are you people stupid or just can't read? Even if you zoom in and read the article in the picture, the first few sentences says "intercepted data". That is what the NSA does. I have my doubts that this is even a real pic, but if it is, the NYT misrepresented the article in the headline.[

really can't make this shit up.... the NYT as the smoking gun is eeffing HILARIOUS..



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/p ... ation.html

The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.

So now "O" is implicated...

[Monker]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/23/politics/flynn-russia-calls-investigation/


From Jan 23rd. Flynn was IN TRUMP TOWER when he was bugged talking to Russian Amb.

It is repeated numerous times that the calls were monitored due to routine tracking of the Russian ambassador. Nothing is said about bugging Flynn or Trump Tower. You are making shit up.

As has been said FROM THE BEGINNING...this started from NSA monitoring Russia and then hearing Trump people talking. That was said all the way back in January. You are trying rewrite history.

On the news last night was Flynn was in Trump Tower when bugged. We'll see who is right in due time I guess.

Say, what's your take on "Project Umbrage" ?

It doesn't matter where Flynn was. He wasn't the target of the NSA, the amassador was. So, Flynn was being an idiot and called his cell phone and the NSA intercepted. That is what happened. That is what has been said now for months. YOU want to change the reality of Trump's problems because of an invented story by alt-right media.

[Monker]

again Fwiw...


Michael‏ @Traded_Up More @KimDotcom @realDonaldTrump It's coming out that Nancy Pelosi asked Obama for Trump wiretap in an email! Spread the word! They're Caught!

I'll have to wait and see what support documentation they got on this claim. I didn't think Pelosi could do much since she's busy fighting dementia.

How ignorant. Even if she did ask, which I doubt, it doesn't mean Obama did it. This looks like more made up bullshit.

And, t's Trump who is acting senile and fighting dementia, making up these crazy stories.

[Monker]

Fwiw..


Kim Dotcom‏Verified account @KimDotcom More .@realDonaldTrump would go totally ballistic if he knew what the Obama CIA did. They used his phone cam & mic. Watching and listening 24/7.

I wouldn't doubt that...after they were targeted for investigation, all things are going to monitored. If anything happened, they know about it...and Trump is screwed.

[Monker]

Who to believe, Monker or the head of DHS...hmmmmm let me think.

Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly says President Trump possesses credible evidence that former President Barack Obama ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower in New York City last year.

Trump claimed on Twitter last Saturday that Obama had his “wires tapped” in Trump Tower before Election Day last year, making the accusation without offering any evidence.

“If the president of the United States said that, he’s got his reasons to say it,” Kelly said Monday on CNN’s “The Situation Room." "[Trump’s] got some convincing evidence that that took place.”

I saw this interview. It seemed to me like he was assuming such things, not that he had any first hand knowledge. I think this is a quote taken out of context.

But, whatever...if it is true then Trump is doing a disservice to the country by not sharing such evendeince and instead forcing it to be discovered in a hearing...wasting taxpayer time and money.

[Monker]

None of this is surprising or really "news" to me. If you remember years ago before tablets, the CIA could hack into your computer and control your web cam. It's the same thing, different device.

As for Umbrage, this also does not surprise me. Years ago Iran's centrifuges which purify uranium for nuclear reactors, or bombs. The hack was a virus that targeted a very specific part of the centrifuge and told it to not shut off...to keep running until the part burned out...while sending signals that it was working properly and shut off. It was a brilliant move that set back Iran's nuke program for years by burning out most of their centrifuges. The virus was EXTREMELY high tech in that it was released into the world to replicate and move on to different devices until it found the very specific part it wanted...and THEN it turned on its destructive capabilities. It was so specific it targeted ONLY Iran, and ONLY centrifuges....even tho this part was in different types of hardware.

You can have these type of viruses on your computer RIGHT NOW and not know it...because they are not harmful virus protection software does not know or search for them...they simply harmlessly replicate themselves to other devices and then delete themselves, undetected.

This is Snowden 2.0 only because it is regurgitating old news that people should already know about....because all of this has been around for years.

Key Highlights from the Vault 7 release so far:

"Year Zero" introduces the scope and direction of the CIA's global covert hacking program, its malware arsenal and dozens of "zero day" weaponized exploits against a wide range of U.S. and European company products, include Apple's iPhone, Google's Android and Microsoft's Windows and even Samsung TVs, which are turned into covert microphones.

Wikileaks claims that the CIA lost control of the majority of its hacking arsenal including malware, viruses, trojans, weaponized "zero day" exploits, malware remote control systems and associated documentation. This extraordinary collection, which amounts to more than several hundred million lines of code, gives its possessor the entire hacking capacity of the CIA. The archive appears to have been circulated among former U.S. government hackers and contractors in an unauthorized manner, one of whom has provided WikiLeaks with portions of the archive.

By the end of 2016, the CIA's hacking division, which formally falls under the agency's Center for Cyber Intelligence (CCI), had over 5000 registered users and had produced more than a thousand hacking systems, trojans, viruses, and other "weaponized" malware. Such is the scale of the CIA's undertaking that by 2016, its hackers had utilized more code than that used to run Facebook.

The CIA had created, in effect, its "own NSA" with even less accountability and without publicly answering the question as to whether such a massive budgetary spend on duplicating the capacities of a rival agency could be justified.
Once a single cyber 'weapon' is 'loose' it can spread around the world in seconds, to be used by rival states, cyber mafia and teenage hackers alike.

Snowden 2.0?

In a statement to WikiLeaks the source details policy questions that they say urgently need to be debated in public, including whether the CIA's hacking capabilities exceed its mandated powers and the problem of public oversight of the agency. The source wishes to initiate a public debate about the security, creation, use, proliferation and democratic control of cyberweapons.
CIA targets iPhones, Androids, smart TVs:

CIA malware and hacking tools are built by EDG (Engineering Development Group), a software development group within CCI (Center for Cyber Intelligence), a department belonging to the CIA's DDI (Directorate for Digital Innovation). The DDI is one of the five major directorates of the CIA (see this organizational chart of the CIA for more details).

The increasing sophistication of surveillance techniques has drawn comparisons with George Orwell's 1984, but "Weeping Angel", developed by the CIA's Embedded Devices Branch (EDB), which infests smart TVs, transforming them into covert microphones, is surely its most emblematic realization.

Also cars, suggesting that the CIA may have a role in the death of Michael Hastings:

As of October 2014 the CIA was also looking at infecting the vehicle control systems used by modern cars and trucks.
The purpose of such control is not specified, but it would permit the CIA to engage in nearly undetectable assassinations.

And computers:

The CIA also runs a very substantial effort to infect and control Microsoft Windows users with its malware. This includes multiple local and remote weaponized "zero days", air gap jumping viruses such as "Hammer Drill" which infects software distributed on CD/DVDs, infectors for removable media such as USBs, systems to hide data in images or in covert disk areas ( "Brutal Kangaroo") and to keep its malware infestations going.

Hoarding of Zero Day exploits:

In the wake of Edward Snowden's leaks about the NSA, the U.S. technology industry secured a commitment from the Obama administration that the executive would disclose on an ongoing basis — rather than hoard — serious vulnerabilities, exploits, bugs or "zero days" to Apple, Google, Microsoft, and other US-based manufacturers.

Serious vulnerabilities not disclosed to the manufacturers places huge swathes of the population and critical infrastructure at risk to foreign intelligence or cyber criminals who independently discover or hear rumors of the vulnerability. If the CIA can discover such vulnerabilities so can others.

Proliferation of leaked/hacked Cyberwar programs:

While nuclear proliferation has been restrained by the enormous costs and visible infrastructure involved in assembling enough fissile material to produce a critical nuclear mass, cyber 'weapons', once developed, are very hard to retain. Cyber 'weapons' are in fact just computer programs which can be pirated like any other. Since they are entirely comprised of information they can be copied quickly with no marginal cost.

Over the last three years the United States intelligence sector, which consists of government agencies such as the CIA and NSA and their contractors, such as Booze Allan Hamilton, has been subject to unprecedented series of data exfiltrations by its own workers.

Once a single cyber 'weapon' is 'loose' it can spread around the world in seconds, to be used by peer states, cyber mafia and teenage hackers alike.

The U.S. Consulate in Frankfurt is a covert CIA hacker base

In addition to its operations in Langley, Virginia the CIA also uses the U.S. consulate in Frankfurt as a covert base for its hackers covering Europe, the Middle East and Africa. CIA hackers operating out of the Frankfurt consulate ( "Center for Cyber Intelligence Europe" or CCIE) are given diplomatic ("black") passports and State Department cover.

The instructions for incoming CIA hackers make Germany's counter-intelligence efforts appear inconsequential: "Breeze through German Customs because you have your cover-for-action story down pat, and all they did was stamp your passport"

Examples of CIA projects

The CIA's Engineering Development Group (EDG) management system contains around 500 different projects (only some of which are documented by "Year Zero") each with their own sub-projects, malware and hacker tools. The majority of these projects relate to tools that are used for penetration, infestation ("implanting"), control, and exfiltration.

Umbrage: The CIA's Remote Devices Branch's UMBRAGE group collects and maintains a substantial library of attack techniques 'stolen' from malware produced in other states including the Russian Federation. With UMBRAGE and related projects the CIA cannot only increase its total number of attack types but also misdirect attribution by leaving behind the "fingerprints" of the groups that the attack techniques were stolen from.

Fine Dining: Fine Dining comes with a standardized questionnaire i.e menu that CIA case officers fill out. The questionnaire is used by the agency's OSB (Operational Support Branch) to transform the requests of case officers into technical requirements for hacking attacks (typically "exfiltrating" information from computer systems) for specific operations. Among the list of possible targets of the collection are 'Asset', 'Liason Asset', 'System Administrator', 'Foreign Information Operations', 'Foreign Intelligence Agencies' and 'Foreign Government Entities'. Notably absent is any reference to extremists or transnational criminals.

'Improvise'; a toolset for configuration, post-processing, payload setup and execution vector selection for survey/exfiltration tools supporting all major operating systems like Windows (Bartender), MacOS (JukeBox) and Linux (DanceFloor).

HIVE: HIVE is a multi-platform CIA malware suite and its associated control software. The project provides customizable implants for Windows, Solaris, MikroTik (used in internet routers) and Linux platforms and a Listening Post (LP)/Command and Control (C2) infrastructure to communicate with these implants. The implants are configured to communicate via HTTPS with the webserver of a cover domain; each operation utilizing these implants has a separate cover domain and the infrastructure can handle any number of cover domains.

[Monker]

Remember when we used to be a free country? Goodbye to all that.

If the US gathering info on it's own citizens is what determines that, then I doubt that you have ever lived in a "free country". Project ECHELON started listening to electronic communication in the 60's. SIGNET came about to share such data among our allies. So, say, Canada could spy on Americans and then share it with the NSA - making spying on American citizens without a warrant perfectly legal.

So, even if some law were passed stating the NSA could not longer collect electronic communications of Americans, it won't matter....the same information can be found from other SIGNET member, like Canada or England, or New Zealand. They all have each other's back.

That is why all this talk about a "wire tap" is made up bullshit. Trump is too dumb to know the true capabilities of his own intelligence community. He's an idiot for even suggesting his "wires were tapped". There is no need for a warrant, there is no need to have some "wire tab", they just listen to what passes through satellites or the cell phone network. And, that is the NSA, not FBI or CIA....no warrant required. And, if one was required, just have Canada do it.

[Monker]

So would you admit that Umbrage could have been used on the DNC hack with fake Russian fingerprints planted by CIA and use that "hack" to imply Trump was working with the Russians and therefore had reason to bug him and associates? Not so far fetched knowing what we now know.

I will say you are writing fiction.

Trump was NOT BUGGED. The NSA intercepted phone calls. THAT is what happened. THAT shows the Trump/Russia connection. THAT got the FBI involved to investigate further. Your timeline is so screwed up and ignores the facts that it is simply untrue. It's not even conspiracy theory, it's conspiracy bullshit.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You're wrong. Trump's actions are going to get him impeached, or having dinner and not waking up in the morning.

So what? CIA also hated JFK and Nixon.

I was making this argument LONG before the election was over. When OhSherrie was posting, she said she wanted Trump to come in and throw a kink in the system and maybe even destroy the Republican party. I said he was the wrong person and compared him to Hitler...that he was DANGEROUS. That was LONG before the election.

So Trump is a Hitler and yet you just said...

....I've been saying he is a liberal since early on in the election.

So there ya have it folks. Monker hates Trump because he is a not-liberal-enough version of Hitler.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yep, and instead you are going to get four years of investigations.

Good luck. The Dems have no power and voters recognize these tactics as transparent grandstanding by a dead party with no direction.

What are you talking about? The CIA has nothing to do with this. And, the Democrats do not have the numbers to matter.

CIA director Michael Morell endorsed Hillary Clinton. CIA director Gen. Michael Hayden endorsed Clinton. The Washington Post, which has led the charge on bogus Russian smears connecting Trump, Bernie (and pretty much anyone anti-WW 3) was recently given a 600 million dollar contract from the CIA. Plenty more where that came from. Hillary was all in favor of furthering CIA proxy wars, like Syria. The CIA has EVERYTHING to do with the war drumbeats against Russia and by extension, the BS McCarthyite smears against Trump. You don't realize this because you just repeat whatever Rachel Maddow tells you. During the primaries, you said Trump didn't have a chance (just like the Dems/MSM). Now, you say we were hacked by Russia and demand an investigation (just like the Dems/MSM). Anyone detecting a pattern here?

Being independent doesn't scare anybody.

Obama came to power being against CIA and released CIA memos. The swift condemnation from the CIA and media made him change his tune real fast. In a town like Washington, being independent gets you killed.

When Spicer's first appearence before the press he LIED about almost everything. THAT is scary.

The White House Press Secretary gets paid to spin and lie. Did you think these guys were bastions of truth? You sound extremely naive.

Blaming all of your problems on the press or the people you hand selected to support you, instead of being a leader and taking responsibility. THAT is scarey.

From media polls that gave Hillary a 90% chance to "Russian hacking" news stories that are later retracted, the press deserves it.

Retelling Breit Bart as FACT without any supporting facts. THAT is scarey.

Breitbart's reporting is fine. No better or worse than HuffingtonPost or any other aggregate site like Drudge, BuzzFeed. Pick another boogeyman.

And, on, and on, and on.

You seem very easily scared. Better cling tightly to your pink pussy hat blankie. Trump's just getting started.

[Memorex]

WikiLeaks‏ @wikileaks
WikiLeaks has released less than 1% of its #Vault7 series in its part one publication yesterday 'Year Zero'.

17 min 3/8/17

As if that wasn't scary enough.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If you are going to reply to a quote talking about apples by talking about oranges, then forget it. Not worthy of my time.

Then don't reply. I don't give a baker's fuck. All you do is deflect and change the subject

Wrong.
The travel ban failed in court...and I'm sure this new one will be challenged again. So, you can not definitely say it will happen.'

Between 60,000-100,000 visas have already been revoked. An executive order is law until it gets overturned by courts or congress. Trump can play this game of legislative chicken every day for the next four years.

If Trump can not learn how to legislate, he can't govern. Period.

How many GOP votes did Obama garner for Obamacare and Stimulus?

But, those Tea Party'ers are still in congress. You can not guarantee they will vote for Trump when they were elected by idiots like KC and FF to vote against deficit spending. It is against their core values and beliefs.

Prominent "Never Trumpers" like Bill Kristol, Glenn Beck, Erik Erikson have ended up with egg all over their face. I would assume that KC and FF are aware that Trump is not a strict conservative and that you can't always get what you want.

I personally know a couple moderate Republicans who are leaving the party because they can't stomach Trump.

Good. Then you will have company during the next march for transgender porta-potties at construction sites or whatever the liberal cause du jour may be. While you are fire-bombing Starbucks, Trump will continue to make America great again.

People are just starting to realize what happens, for example, when immigrants are not their to pick crops or work in meat processing plants. People are just starting to realize when trade relations with China are damaged. People are just starting to realize how many people are going to be without health care even if Obamacare is relpealed/replaced.

"People this, people that"....based on what? Polling? None of that is even verifiable as the election has proven.

You had your March 4 Trump protests and compared to what Indivisible is doing, it is miniscule. Indivisible is FAR more mainstream than you are giving it credit for.

Indivisible? Never heard of it. Is that your local chapter of the Oprah Book Club?

YOU are not Russia.

And YOU are not the NSA...and yet, that has not stopped you from commenting authoritatively on Flynn wiretaps in this thread. You seem to want to dictate the bounds of conversation here. This is an open message board, dude.

Russia attempting to influence our election is a MUCH bigger issue than you are giving credit for.

Then speak in specifics. So far we have allegations of Podesta being hacked and DNC being hacked. Two email accounts. Big deal. The phishing link that Podesta fell for is even archived in Wikileaks. This hack has all the sophistication of a Nigerian prince email. The declassified US intel report on the hacking referenced Russia Today's reporting on Fracking and Occupy Wall Street. It was shoddy work. The Washington Post story of Russian propaganda during the election had to be walked back and even blamed legit sites like Truthdig and Ron Paul's site. There is simply no there there.

And, if Trump cooperated in ANY way.....he is going to be in HUGE trouble.

Oh sure....just like Reagan got in trouble for undermining Carter's hostage talks and Nixon undermined LBJ peace talks, right? The story isn't about Trump collaborating with Russia. It's about fostering an increasingly hostile climate towards Russia so that Trump has no choice but war. Like I said, already baked in the cake.

[verslibre]

Schwarzenegger, 69, appeared on SiriusXM’s The Michael Smerconish Program, where he discussed Trump’s recent tweet about him following Arnold’s decision to leave his gig as host of The New Celebrity Apprentice. After all, it’s not every day that the president calls you “pathetic.”

“I think he’s in love with me,” Schwarzenegger cracked.

“Is that what it is?” Smerconish asked.

“Yeah, I think so,” Schwarzenegger replied.

https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/arnold-schwarzenegger-i-think-donald-trump-is-in-love-with-me-232334158.html

[Monker]

Monker wrote:
You're wrong. Trump's actions are going to get him impeached, or having dinner and not waking up in the morning.


So what? CIA also hated JFK and Nixon.

....and Nixon had to resign or he would have been impeach, and JFK didn't wake up the next morning.

Monker wrote:
I was making this argument LONG before the election was over. When OhSherrie was posting, she said she wanted Trump to come in and throw a kink in the system and maybe even destroy the Republican party. I said he was the wrong person and compared him to Hitler...that he was DANGEROUS. That was LONG before the election.



So Trump is a Hitler and yet you just said...

Please understand what you read and then quote. I said, as you quoted above, "I said he was the wrong person and compared him to Hitler...that he was DANGEROUS."

I did not say, "he is a Hitler". Trump is authoritarian, like Hitler. Trump incites negative emotions and hatred towards minorities, like Hitler. Trump uses minorities as scapegoats for the countries problems, like Hitler.

But, he is not 'a Hitler". Hitler also wanted to "drain the swamp", but to do so he simply locked everybody in a room and then killed everybody who disagrees with him. As much as Trump may want to do that, I doubt he would go that far.

So there ya have it folks. Monker hates Trump because he is a not-liberal-enough version of Hitler.

Yes, Trump is a liberal. For example, his vision of Health Care is essentially the ACA with only a few changes. He wants to end the trade deals, which is traditionaly a liberal position...conservatives LIKE trade deals because they encourage the free market. And, in general, he wants to spend money that we do not have to spend, which is a liberal stereotype.

[The_Noble_Cause]

....and Nixon had to resign or he would have been impeach, and JFK didn't wake up the next morning.

Better to go down fighting the good fight than being an obsequious corporate toady like Obama and furthering America’s decline.

Please understand what you read and then quote. I said, as you quoted above, "I said he was the wrong person and compared him to Hitler...that he was DANGEROUS."
I did not say, "he is a Hitler". Trump is authoritarian, like Hitler. Trump incites negative emotions and hatred towards minorities, like Hitler. Trump uses minorities as scapegoats for the countries problems, like Hitler.
But, he is not 'a Hitler". Hitler also wanted to "drain the swamp", but to do so he simply locked everybody in a room and then killed everybody who disagrees with him. As much as Trump may want to do that, I doubt he would go that far.

If I compare my boss to Satan ten different ways and then qualify that with “oh but he’s not Satan”, does it matter? You are comparing him to Hitler. End of story.

He wants to end the trade deals, which is traditionaly a liberal position...conservatives LIKE trade deals because they encourage the free market.

More bullshit. Two of the most prominent voices on NAFTA-style trade is Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot. Hardly liberals. There is some overlap with lefties like Nader. The common denominator is populism.

[Monker]

Monker wrote:
Yep, and instead you are going to get four years of investigations.

Good luck. The Dems have no power and voters recognize these tactics as transparent grandstanding by a dead party with no direction.

Well, the FBI does not need permission to investigate.

Trump is so unpredictable in what he says and does that I would expect some Republicans to support an independent investigation of Trumps relationship with Russia. He is ACTING guilty...and people can see that.

Monker wrote:
What are you talking about? The CIA has nothing to do with this. And, the Democrats do not have the numbers to matter.



CIA director Michael Morell endorsed Hillary Clinton. CIA director Gen. Michael Hayden endorsed Clinton. The Washington Post, which has led the charge on bogus Russian smears connecting Trump, Bernie (and pretty much anyone anti-WW 3) was recently given a 600 million dollar contract from the CIA. Plenty more where that came from.

Nobody in this thread even mentioned the CIA until you. What you are saying above is simply more conspiracy theory bullshit.

The NSA gave the FBI info from their listening to Russian communication and finding Trump people conversing. That led to the current FBI investigation. I do not read CIA anywhere except from your ridiculous and crazed statment abovve.

You don't realize this because you just repeat whatever Rachel Maddow tells you.

I don't watch Maddow, I find her annoying.

During the primaries, you said Trump didn't have a chance (just like the Dems/MSM).

Yep, and if you look back, I stopped posting after Comey's remarks about reopening the Clinton investigation due to new Emails. When that happened, I knew it would hurt her pretty bad.

But, whatever, yeah I said that...and she won the popular vote and lost the electoral vote and the election. That's pretty much what happened.

Now, you say we were hacked by Russia and demand an investigation (just like the Dems/MSM). Anyone detecting a pattern here?

Except I was saying it before they were. For Clinton, I was saying it before she even announced. For Russia, I was saying after Spicer's first news conference where everything he said was a lie.

Obama came to power being against CIA and released CIA memos. The swift condemnation from the CIA and media made him change his tune real fast. In a town like Washington, being independent gets you killed.

Oh, so you are now saying Trump may be killed?

The White House Press Secretary gets paid to spin and lie. Did you think these guys were bastions of truth? You sound extremely naive.

I realize they are paid propaganda mouth pieces for the Whitehouse. But, I have never seen anyone come out and tell such easily verifiable lies before. It was ridiculous and it was obviously coming directly from Trump. It almost seemed like he wrote it down and told Spicer to go out there and say this...

Monker wrote:
Blaming all of your problems on the press or the people you hand selected to support you, instead of being a leader and taking responsibility. THAT is scarey.

From media polls that gave Hillary a 90% chance to "Russian hacking" news stories that are later retracted, the press deserves it.

That has nothing to do with what I said. When Trump wants to bask in the glory of reading off the teleprompter in front of congress, but can't because the world is focused on if Obama wire tapped Trump tower, it is HIS fault for making such an outlandish claim. It is not the presses fault for following the story or his people's fault for not being able to redirect attention.

Trump does not have the ability to lead by example. He leads by authority, which is not leading at all. Leaders do not need people to follow them. People follow leaders because they are inspired to. Trump is killing that inspiration in his own staff.

And, speaking of this BS, I have wondering who is going to be the first person to abandon the sinking Trump ship. Spicer is an obvous choice because he has to take the most crap. But, I think it will be Kellyann Conway. She is actually pretty smart and she has to know where this Trump ship is going. She'll quit by the end of the year.

Monker wrote:
Retelling Breit Bart as FACT without any supporting facts. THAT is scarey.

Breitbart's reporting is fine. No better or worse than HuffingtonPost or any other aggregate site like Drudge, BuzzFeed. Pick another boogeyman.

I do not see anybody leading the country by using your examples as fact. Trump tries to lead the country by looking at these stories as FACt, when they are not.

Breit Bart does NOT do investigative reporting. The example of this "tapping Trump Towers wires" was taking a bunch of stories by other organizations and trying to link them together with assumptions and best guesses. That is not "reporting" that is inventing a conspiracy theory. Donald Judas Trump does not know the difference.

And, I'm not saying those other pages do not do the same thing. But, I am also not on here pointing to those type of articles as established fact.

[Boomchild]

[Boomchild]

Vault 7

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

Oh ya,

And yet our politicians will continue to rant and point fingers at other countries and nations about their hacking and spying programs aimed at the U.S..

[Boomchild]

[Monker]

Vault 7

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

Oh ya,

And yet our politicians will continue to rant and point fingers at other countries and nations about their hacking and spying programs aimed at the U.S..

There's a lot of hacking. What, you thought we were so innocent?

[verslibre]

https://twitter.com/MADmagazine/status/839533323315789827

[Memorex]

Vault 7

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

Oh ya,

And yet our politicians will continue to rant and point fingers at other countries and nations about their hacking and spying programs aimed at the U.S..

We've had a lot of practice. Ya know, like with Nuclear bombs.

[Monker]

....and Nixon had to resign or he would have been impeach, and JFK didn't wake up the next morning.

Better to go down fighting the good fight than being an obsequious corporate toady like Obama and furthering America’s decline.

I see. After Nixon put the nation through Watergate, you believe the nation was not put in decline.

After being handed off an economy near depression, industries failing, huge numbers of unemployment each month...and then correcting all of that...Obama left America in decline.

And, Nixon was not 'fighting the good fight'. He was lying, abusing his authority as President to hide evidence, firing his Attorney General in an effort to control the Justice Department and end the Watergate investigation. All with an attitude that he did nothing wrong and the President can not break the law because he's "President".

Whatever. But, it does explain why you have no issue with Trump and his spokespeople lying, Trump governing by executive order, and over-all acting like a crazed megalomaniac and narcissist....pretty close to what Nixon did.

If I compare my boss to Satan ten different ways and then qualify that with “oh but he’s not Satan”, does it matter? You are comparing him to Hitler. End of story.

It depends on where you say it. If you post it on Twitter or Facebook, you'll probably be fired. Post it here and it won't matter.

[JBlake]

Wow, Wikileaks has unloaded tons of CIA secrets this morning, may be time to dump those computers, smart phones and smart tv's, oh, and your cars too.

CIA can remote drive your car after 2014 if I'm hearing right, still trying to soak up this info.

Wow, this situation is really exploding with lots of very interesting (and very helpful) information. So keeping in mind how Obama and various high ranking dems have been vigorously pushing the idea that Russia recently hacked the U.S. and it's election, their agenda is quite obvious, as we find out that under the Obama administration a huge spy/hack ring was operating secretly out of Germany and neighboring geographical locations. Get it now? Obama knew it was happening for a fact outside of U.S. soil. Obama and various top dems knew this before wikileaks made this information public.

What I don't get is why the lib dems are so upset about this whole wikileaks thingamajig. Wikileaks has ensured that Obama and his administration is the most transparent in history, just like how Obama boasted it would be. Oh I know, when Obama said it would be the most transparent in history, he actually meant he and his administration would pick and choose what components of his administration would be transparent. Well, too bad, wikileaks has taken away that luxury of pick and choose for ya. This is your admin and your admin owns every bit, ever piece of this huge corruption ring.