YoungJRNYfan wrote:WW is a simple origin story, the same as Thor.
Charles Roven recently said that most of these solo films will have a much more dramatic stance in flashback's and flashforwards to a wider DC universe so in that regard
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That does not make the movie more dramatic. It makes it makes it more complicated and LESS dramatic.
I don't think Wonder Woman is going to play a safe origin film. There will be enough twists and acknowledgment to future films without falling on a crutch the MCU always does.
It will either be a Thor like origin story, or it WILL fall short in the reviews, just as BvS and SS did.
But, there is too much riding on WW for DC to not realize that it needs to go back to basics and simply tell a good story without all of the other bullshit.
Fact of the matter is, Wonder Woman's first quest could be a failure. That notion alone isn't "safe" and follows DC's narration thus far in their universe that indicates the deconstructive hero in their darkest hour.
Oh, stop it. I know all about this already. In a Heroes Journey, there will come a point where the hero either succeeds, or fails. Just because a hero fails does not mean they are not a hero...or that the writers are not following a formula. Geez, even Beowulf needed help and died after his encounter with the dragon
Man of Steel was an origin film and it took major risks.
It did not take "major" risks. That is simply not true. Maybe comic book nerds consider some choices being 'risky', but most people in the seats simply want to see a good story and be entertained. MoS did that.
Just because a character film is set as an origin film, doesn't mean it's going to play it "safe", especially with the creative teams. Also, DC has many origin stories under their belt that date back to 1978. Again, superhero movies were not first created with 2008's Iron Man.
Good, then they SHOULD know how to write one for WW.
Why are you so hung up on comparing everything to Marvel and their ability to create the most successful franchise of hero movies in cinema history? Why can't you see the advantage of ignoring what Marvel is doing and demanding that DC put forth quality films and hack jobs like BvS and SS?
I suppose the first "Superhero Movie" was probably Batman back in 1966. Is that what you want to model the new films after?
Stop trying to stick up for that dogshit character of Thor trying to turn it around on me as if I won't be open to criticism with what's to come.
I was reading the other day that WW is going to have a lame comic relief character. Sounds a lot like Darcy, doesn't it?
My issue is two fold - you do not see that Thor is a decent entertaining movie, with some flaws...but still good. And, you will never admit those same flaws exist in DC movies. Just because you don't like certain aspects of Thor, it does not make it a 'bad' movie...especially when those same critiques exist in DC movies.
Now, WW is going to have all of these Roman god themes and be set in WWi...essentially combining both CA:TFA and Thor. Being compared to those movies is going to be inevitable.
DC's humor will never be at the level of how painfully Marvel abuse's that crutch.
Never say never. And, why should DC be so serious?
Marvel fans are the ones notorious to excuse something at the DCEU's expense and that won't change. MCU fans are the worst at the double standard with the excuse of "...well, they earned the right" which results into hot air; strawman tactics.
I'm sure they both do to some extent. But, Marvel has not had simply BAD movies. They have their share of mediocre moves but DC has not released a good movie since MoS...and all I hear is excuses. It is at a point where I can guess what you are going to say.
Wonder Woman's technical application from Jenkins has NOTHING to do with Snyder. Nothing.
Don't care. It doesn't change the fact that they are slow-motion, 300 style, action scenes...and from what I read, that is prominent in the movie. That is frankly very lame and out-dated.
This is a Patty Jenkins film. There is no amount of power that Snyder has to have control over a film in how a director of a certain film see's fit in the technical aspect of things. None whatsoever. Snyder is a whipping boy. Be it as it may, the high number of whips and chains will not make that claim true.
Again, don't care. Snyder sucks.
There's no such things as mixed reviews at this stage of the game.
There are those that say, "it's not bad. It's better than BvS and SS." and there are those who say it is awesome. So, in that way, it is mixed.
The film isn't even finished yet and the test screenings at this time only show a rough cut of what's going to be an eventual finished product. What you "read" should never be takin' at face value because even though some have had access to things, we are still in the early time period of baiting clicks.
Of course. They will take the feedback and make changes. That always happens.
What? Deadshot and Harley had some good scenes but nothing super notable.
Good enough to warrant a Harley Quinn led DCEU film to go along with studio plans to even give Will Smith a Deadshot spinoff.
No...I think it's more the popularity of her character in general and they want to compete with Deadpool breaking the wall thing...which is a mistake. They should do their own thing, not try to copy some other films' success.
If something fails at every level, then the studio wouldn't be so fast to greenlight a sequel plus two spin-off films, let alone eyeing a director of Mel Gibson's caliber and actually pulling in his interest.
They get their sequel because it made money...not because of the quality of the film. Avatar made money, and it gets sequels.
Time to swallow your tongue and stop banging your head against the wall with wishful thinking. You've been saying that since Man of Steel
Not true. I like MoS. I don't think it is the best thing ever. But, it's pretty good. I have been saying it since Snyder started talking about what BvS was going to try to do and I said it was impossible....and it was.
and here we are, going on 4, soon to be 5 films in with other DCEU films set to shoot soon.
And, after BvS and SS sucked, I said if WW and JL do not turn it around, the DCU will end...at least at the theater.
Contrary to the haters pushed agenda, the DCEU is alive and kickin'. Aquaman starts shooting in May. Matt Reeves is signed on for 'The Batman' and will go into production in 2018. The Rock has been vocal about the development of Shazam and Black Adam. WB is eyeing big talent for the next Superman solo. David Ayers is developing Gotham City Sirens with Harley Quinn as a lead and SSquad 2's director search is underway.
You know Batman has had its share of issues. What will you say if Batman flops and Afleck leaves DC? That is very possible.
Aquaman may start filming, but that doesn't mean it will finish.
I would much rather they cut out all the crap and make a good Deadshot/Harley Quinn/Joker/Batman move. In fact, THAT is what "The Batman" should have been.
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I didn't say it would be made.