They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[Monker]

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The fact the Flynn was outted alone, once again, proves you a L I A R. Not your fault really. I'm sure you believe MSNBC.

Well, this is his logic: It's not a lie if HE believes it's the truth.[/quote]

And, this latest Flynn thing is yet some other new thing and has nothing to do with what Nunes was talking about.

You guys are just plain ignorant. Nobody here is lying, well, except Donald Judas Trump.

[Monker]

You are just totally lost on this.

Yeah, and what happened to that big reveal that was supposed to happen on Friday night? I guess it's an apology.

Geez, what a disaster of a Presidency. All of these investigations, House, Senate, FBI...

...and Trump can't even pass his repeal/replace for ObamaCare. And, then blames Democrats when the Republicans own both houses of congress and the Presidency. What a riot.

...and the Muslim ban stuck in the courts.

...the Wall needing funding.

[scarab]

Is it a common practice, even it is "really really close" to pull a bill because it probably going to lose?
I guess thats Democrips and Rebloodicans. They dont work for the people.

[Boomchild]

[Boomchild]

[Monker]

Hilarious that you all actually believe this shit. It's probably written by the same people who write the Christian spammers who want you to believe the end of the world is coming. Just complete bullshit.

[Monker]

""It has become very apparent that the left views Trump’s election as an absolute calamity. But it is a calamity that they brought upon themselves. The left remained silent while the Obama administration spent two full terms at war. They excused Obama’s NSA scandals. They cheered the growth of an imperial presidency and an activist judiciary. But worst of all, the left poisoned America with vicious identity politics and a deeply false narrative of racism, sexism, xenophobia, and privilege. How could a backlash not occur? What matters most in the upcoming years is not what Trump can actually do in the face of this hatred. What matters is what he can undo." ~ Ron Paul"

Yeah, he wrote that clear back in January during the first days of the Presidency. What does he think NOW?

Ron Paul's Tweets during the State of the Union:

Massive new spending on military and infrastructure. More drug war. Where's the money? Fed will print it!

Building pipelines? OK but hopefully without use of eminent domain (property theft)!

A great idea to reduce violent crime! How about stopping government violence at home and abroad?

Great wall on southern border? Hopefully not to keep us in. Reduce incentives to illegally cross and change foreign policy! Problem solved!

Merit-based immigration is a good idea. No welfare magnet for illegal immigrants would work well too.

Protect against "radical Islamic terrorism"? Can't do it until you understand concept of Blowback! Non-intervention would make us safer.

Strong vetting system - is it a step to a Real ID card -- an attack on our civil liberties and privacy protections.

More Iran sanctions? Sounds like preparation for war against Iran to me!

'Biggest increase in military spending in history' - bad, bad news. And nothing for defense, all for militarism.

If you really want to reduce the violence in our cities...get rid of the drug war!

"Highly successful raid" in Yemen? In many ways the raid was a disaster! A waste. Criminal what they are put through for political reasons

Warmongering is alive and well. Tragically. Focus on the widow. What a terrible use of tragedy for political purposes.

Our war in Yemen has nothing to do with US national security. Unconstitutional for us to be bombing that country!

Militarism gone wild. It's all going off the rails. Strongly support NATO? I though we were getting out!

Nations can chart their own paths? Good! Then we can bring our troops home from 120 countries!

Now the grades: His vision for the US at its 250th anniversary: A-
His methods to achieve it? He gets: F.

Never said audit the fed. No spending cuts. More foreign intervention. Word "liberty" not mentioned once.++

Final grade on libertarian scale: Plans/strategy: F
Overall: D-

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Read his Tweets....he is not much of a fan of Trump AT ALL.
https://twitter.com/RonPaul?ref_src=tws ... -speech%2F

[Monker]

It was a bad Bill. I agree Republicans should have been ready. Monker, Presidents don't write Bills by the way. I know you disagree, but in my world, it's far better to trash a Bill, which Repubicans did, Democrats will say no to anything without even knowing whats in it if a Repubican writes it.

Of course it was a ":bad bill". It was concieved out of Republican partisanship of both Paul Ryan and Trump. They wrote in a matter of weeks and tried to shove it down everybody's throat. THIS is exactly what you hacks accuse ObamaCare of being - and it simply was NOT THE SAME AT ALL.

Of course they also pass them that way if a Democrat writes it,

ObamaCare took about a year to write and discuss in congress before it passed. And, at least they TRIED to get the super majority. They invited discussion with Republicans...and the various industries affected. What Republicans was a massive display of partisanship....and the Democrats stood aside and let them do it, without interfering at all...and they were smart for doing it.

which is why we are in the mess we are in now

Republicans are in the mess they are now because of who is in power in Washington and who has been elected in congress.

Tump could offer every American one million dollars out of his own pocket and liberals would whine about it. What Republicans need to do is treat liberals like they don't matter, because they don't.

LOL...that is EXACTLY what his did with TrumpCare...and it failed. The Democrat vote DOES matter now because Republicans have SPLIT their vote. If Trump back off repealing ObamaCare and simply ammended it with some of his ideas, say allowing people to get insurance out of their state eschange, then he could probably pass meaning reform with moderate Republicans and Democrats....and avoid dealing with the extremes in both parties.

Once Shummer throws his tempertantrum over Gorsuch

IMO, doing whatever to Gorsuch is fair game...It should be law that Obama's nominee should have hearings and voted on first. Gorsuch should wait his turn.

and Repubicans get fed up and use Harry Rieds nuke option

That will happen very quickly.

Roe vs Wade is just one Judge away from being repealed

There will be riots if that happens and Republicans will lose congress.

Conservatives simply don't have to work with liberals.

Uh, huh, sure. We'll see how you get the Tea Party and moderates to vote in line with Trump when the three can't agree on anything. With TrumpCare as the first example, it seems Trump could easily pass his agenda by working with Democrats.

Hey snowflakes, "there was an election and we won. You can come along, but you have to sit in the back." Remember?

Except you didn't win outright. You lost the popular vote. Trump does not have any type of mandate, and is VERY UNPOPULAR. He is a very weak President right now.

Besides, this can be fixed when taxes are restructured. Like writing in the Healthcare Accounts. Of course Democrats will bitch about that. They can't make any money off the insurance lobbiests.

If you can't pass TrumpCare, you will never be able to pass tax reform, and his budget will be DOA in congress.

[Monker]

Is it a common practice, even it is "really really close" to pull a bill because it probably going to lose?
I guess thats Democrips and Rebloodicans. They dont work for the people.

It was pulled because the vote was not even closed. It would be an embarrassment for it to lose by 20 or more votes.

[Monker]

"Of course it was a ":bad bill". It was concieved out of Republican partisanship of both Paul Ryan and Trump. They wrote in a matter of weeks and tried to shove it down everybody's throat. THIS is exactly what you hacks accuse ObamaCare of being - and it simply was NOT THE SAME AT ALL."

The ACA was written outside of Congress and presented to them. They did exactly that, shoved it down our throats. It was hugely unpopular, and inspite of your bias poles you'll post. It has to be fixed because Obama Democrats put out a fucked up Bill doing exactly what was predicted it would do, and didn't even read it before they voted on it. Republicans were told to sit in the corner. Democrats were told,"if you shove this down our throats, we'll shove it up your ass. Looking at the control of States, Congress, the Senate, and the White House, I'd say Democrats have a sore ass. Besides, Obama, as has been proven over again, lied his ass off to get it through. You libs brag about how many are insured, but how many can use what they are FORCED to buy? The vote on this Bill was split on the Republicans side so it was shoved no where. Unlike the ACA it was read, presented, hyped and voted on. The ACA was ran through with out a fuck given, and didn't Democrats pay for it. Now you try to blame Repubicans for your mess. Typical. Thi is still on Democrats. Maybe they should work on it instead of sit back and bitch about it.

You sound so stupid. The ACA had 10 months worth of debate in congress. True, Democrats did not want to start with a Republican plan...and they should not have had to. But, the Republicans acted like whiny babies and removed themselves from the debate because of it. Despite that, Obama still tried to get Republican votes by removing the public option, and it got him nowhere. And, the public option would help lower rates.

The FACT is 10 months of debate vs. two. Democrats trying to get Republicans to get the super majority. Republicans not even trying. The Republicans tried to shove TrumpCare down the Congress throat - and it didn't work. Democrats did the work, got it pass without any Republican support...and it has been out there ever since.

I already said Democrats and Trump should work on an amendment bill for the ACA. IMO, that is what should have happened from the beginning.

[Monker]

And a difference between writing something and fixing something already written. Besides, The Republican Plan was step one of three steps. Ten months of debate and still,"We have to pass the Bill first to see whats in it". Obama loed his ass off to get people on board. All he got on board were the blind lemmings like you.

You are so completely wrong about EVERYTHING you say that it is sad.

I was never 'on board' with ObamaCare. I never argued for it. I do not believe healthcare is a 'right'. I thought he should concentrate on the economy at that time. I felt health care was screwed up with the Republican idea of free health care at the emergency room and it should be changed...but I did not agree with the priority or the timing.

But, the FACT is Republicans were bent on obstructing EVERYTHING Obama did, even avoiding a depression. So, in retrospect, I understand why he did it first...if he didn't, it would have never passed. Obama started with a REPUBLICAN plan, RomneyCare...and then further made it more Republican by removing the public option. As long as it came from Obama, Republicans would obstruct it. That was their mission...with EVERYTHING.

As for 'fixing something that is already written", that is NOT what Republicans were trying to do. They want to completely start over. In doing that, they are hitting every obstacle that ObamaCare already went through. It was a dumb idea from the beginning...Republicans did not think it through and are now paying the price for their short sightedness.

And, you are wrong, Obama had the health and insurance industries onboard with ObamaCare, not just people you perceive as Emocrats or liberals. The fact is TrumpCare only had the backing of Republican moderates. The alt-right voted "no", and the health and insurance industries were against it as well.

TrumpCare was a major failure and showcased Trump's inability to legislate.

[scarab]

Is it a common practice, even it is "really really close" to pull a bill because it probably going to lose?
I guess thats Democrips and Rebloodicans. They dont work for the people.

It was pulled because the vote was not even closed. It would be an embarrassment for it to lose by 20 or more votes.

So basically the POTUS can act like a child losing at a football game saying its my ball and I am leaving.
Wow welcome to Gangland America.

[Monker]

Monker, they ran on Stopping Obama and won by some of the biggest numbers in history.

...and yet you argue against the idea of Republican obstruction. What a hypocrite you are.

Republicans tried to put a bandaid on a liberal pig, and the Tea Party was having none of it.

That is a bunch of complete bullshit. They wanted to REPEAL OBAMACARE and *REPLACE* IT with TrumpCare. They didn't try to 'band-aid' anything. That is a complete lie.

Tea-Partyers wanted it to go even further, which the moderates won't go for. So, the Republicans have a problems...the radical faction of their party will not allow a sane bill.

They ran on repeal and won. They want it gone. The" Major Failure" is the ACA, otherwise Republicans wouldn't be having to fix the worthless, failing Bill. "But 24 milion are covered". Right. With over priced worthless insurance.

You are completely wrong. The ACA is not 'failing'' in the ways that you, and Trump, believe.

You don't even understand the numbers you are quoting. There are 24million additional people who now have health insurance compared to before the ACA. There are 12million on Obamacare. That extra 12million are covered outside of the exchanges...through their employer, for example. That is good because the more people who are covered, the lower the premiums.

Now, the CBO said TrumpCare would cause 24million to lose their health coverage. That is not just in the exchanges, but also through work, etc. With that many people out of the system, ALL premiums will go up.

That is how insurance works...it's very simple...the more people paying into the system, the less it costs everybody.

Now, I will say that over the past four years, my health insurance has remained UNCHANGED and has not went up at all. I have no doubt that it would go up if TrumpCare takes affect.

[Monker]

So basically the POTUS can act like a child losing at a football game saying its my ball and I am leaving.
Wow welcome to Gangland America.

Just remove the word "racist" and you have the last eight years.[/quote]

Nobody used the word 'racist', moron.

The last 6yrs, the Republicans have been able to obstruct ANYTHING Obama wanted to do. The first six, they only wanted to put forth their own ideas and not work with Obama's. That is what happened.

[Monker]

Is it a common practice, even it is "really really close" to pull a bill because it probably going to lose?
I guess thats Democrips and Rebloodicans. They dont work for the people.

It was pulled because the vote was not even closed. It would be an embarrassment for it to lose by 20 or more votes.

So basically the POTUS can act like a child losing at a football game saying its my ball and I am leaving.
Wow welcome to Gangland America.

It's basically like today's college baseball games. If one team is winning by 10pts or more at the end of the 7th inning, the game is called and team ahead wins. No sense in embarrassing the losing team even more.

[Monker]

Hannity, "We have to give some credit to the American people that they are somewhat intelligent and know the difference between an opinion show and a news show."

Koppel, "Yeah..."

Hennity, "You're cynical...look at that..."

Koppel, "I am cynical because I, you know..."

Hannity, "Do you think I am bad for America?"

Koppel, "Yeah."

Hannity, "You think I'm bad for America?"

Koppel, "Yeah. In the..."

Hannity, "You do."

Koppel, "In the long haul I think you and all these..."

Hannity, "Really?"

Koppel, "opinion shows..."

Hannity, "That's sad, that's sad."

Koppel, "You know why? Because you are VERY good at what you do and, you have, you have attracted a significantly large portion..."

Hannity, "You are selling the American people short."

Koppel, "Let me finish the sentence before you do that."

Hannity, "I'm listening. With all due respect. Take the field."

Koppel, "You have attracted people who are determined that ideology is more important than facts."

BINGO! Thank you Ted Koppel for saying it like it is.

[Monker]

"You don't even understand the numbers you are quoting. There are 24million additional people who now have health insurance compared to before the ACA. There are 12million on Obamacare. That extra 12million are covered outside of the exchanges...through their employer, for example. That is good because the more people who are covered, the lower the premiums.

Now, the CBO said TrumpCare would cause 24million to lose their health coverage. That is not just in the exchanges, but also through work, etc. With that many people out of the system, ALL premiums will go up.

That is how insurance works...it's very simple...the more people paying into the system, the less it costs everybody.

Now, I will say that over the past four years, my health insurance has remained UNCHANGED and has not went up at all. I have no doubt that it would go up if TrumpCare takes affect."

I get my coverage from work, and it's still on the exchange, which is why I've HAD to change four time in three years. Companies keep quiting. Since when have premiums stopped going up? Also, up until 2012, which I blame on voters, Obamacare could have been repealed with no problem. You use selective history for your spin. Many States are down to one choice. Prices are going through the roof. Deductbles are a joke. Of course you are a liberal so I can see how you think it is a success.

Those things can be fixed. Allow a public option, remove the state boundary restriction and you have more policies in the exchanges and more competition....more choices and lower premiums. Democrats should publicly propose that to the President and congress...since they "own it" now, let them amend it.

I didn't say "premiums have stopped going up." I told MY experience - MY premiums have not been raised nor have my benefits changed in four years.

I don't give a crap about deductibles. I have an HSA which my employer contributes to once per year, and I contribute to every month. I never hit the deductibles, and I doubt I ever will...and I never pay any medical expense outside of my HSA, My HSA has a surplus and grows every year. So, when I retire, I can use it to pay MediCare premiums, or transfer it to my IRA...whatever...it turns into a retirement account.

[Monker]

LOL...what a nut! Hannity starts out saying he is a talk show host...and ends with a list of what HE calls NEWS that he presented on his show. What a hypocrite and liar. The entire "talk show host" is nothing but a cover to get away with him presenting HIS opinions as facts that morons like you actually believe ARE facts.

And, THAT is the entire point that Koppel was getting at. Koppel is saying Hannity has a large audience that does not know when Hannity is presenting facts or opinion, and just takes it all in as fact. His audience does not know the difference.

So, Hannity's audience will watch this clip and take it in as factual...that Koppel is presenting fake news, and blah, blah, blah...when all it REALLY is is a pissed off Hannity going on a rant like spoiled child.

Hannity, "We have to give some credit to the American people that they are somewhat intelligent and know the difference between an opinion show and a news show."

Koppel, "Yeah..."

Hennity, "You're cynical...look at that..."

Koppel, "I am cynical because I, you know..."

Hannity, "Do you think I am bad for America?"

Koppel, "Yeah."

Hannity, "You think I'm bad for America?"

Koppel, "Yeah. In the..."

Hannity, "You do."

Koppel, "In the long haul I think you and all these..."

Hannity, "Really?"

Koppel, "opinion shows..."

Hannity, "That's sad, that's sad."

Koppel, "You know why? Because you are VERY good at what you do and, you have, you have attracted a significantly large portion..."

Hannity, "You are selling the American people short."

Koppel, "Let me finish the sentence before you do that."

Hannity, "I'm listening. With all due respect. Take the field."

Koppel, "You have attracted people who are determined that ideology is more important than facts."

BINGO! Thank you Ted Koppel for saying it like it is.

More monker bullshit and fake news exposed.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/537523514100 ... show-clips

[brywool]

Hannity's a complete jackass.

[Monker]

Hannity's a complete jackass.

So is Koppel, Shieffer, Maddow, Blitzer, ect.

Which is EXACTLY what Koppel was saying...you value your philosophy over facts. You can't see beyond it and accept reality.

[Monker]

Hannity's a complete jackass.

Here is the thing, Hannity can't help but to interupt and inject his opinion when facts disagree with him. He doesn't want to hear it. On his radio show, he doesn't allow it. Oh, he says he does and welcomes liberals to call in. But, when they do, he stampedes over them with his opinion.

You can see him try to do it in just this small clip...until Koppel asks him to stop. Koppel could barely fish a sentence without Hannity making some stupid comment. He doesn't want to hear reality, he blots it out with his own philosophy and opinion.

[Boomchild]

Pakistan says Facebook vows to tackle concerns over blasphemous content

KARACHI, Pakistan (Reuters) - Facebook has assured Pakistan that concerns about blasphemous content on the social media site will be addressed and a company delegation will visit this week to discuss the issue with the government, the interior minister said on Tuesday.

Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif earlier this month ordered that blasphemous content on social media be removed or blocked and that anyone posting such material be punished, and the government requested a meeting with Facebook.

Blasphemy is a criminal offense in the strictly Islamic country and can carry the death penalty.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pakistan-say ... nance.html

[Monker]

Hannity's a complete jackass.

Here is the thing, Hannity can't help but to interupt and inject his opinion when facts disagree with him. He doesn't want to hear it. On his radio show, he doesn't allow it. Oh, he says he does and welcomes liberals to call in. But, when they do, he stampedes over them with his opinion.

You can see him try to do it in just this small clip...until Koppel asks him to stop. Koppel could barely fish a sentence without Hannity making some stupid comment. He doesn't want to hear reality, he blots it out with his own philosophy and opinion.

Amazing the wonder of editing and the lemmings it attracts, enjoy Monker. Let your Media lead you over that cliff.

What a bunch of bullshit...words you dug out of Hannity's ass after he spewed them.

That 90 seconds was not the result of the "wonder" of editing. It was Koppel saying what was needing to be said to Hannit and the like for 20yrs. I'm sure Hannity went into, and left, that interview thinking he did himself well...instead he looks like an ass and contineus to look like an ass the more you try to defend him. The old man Koppel did well.

[Monker]

About time we get around to this.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/dona ... l#comments

LOL. According you all, Trump controls the Justice dept...why doesn't he order Clinton to be investigated? He believes three million voters voted ilegaly. Why isn't that investigated? HE is the President. Why is he whining about others doing something rather than doing something about it himself? Because he is a fucking worthless LOSER who wants to blame everybody else and not take responsibility for ANYTHING.

You guys are incredibly stupid

[Monker]

About time we get around to this.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/dona ... l#comments

LOL. According you all, Trump controls the Justice dept...why doesn't he order Clinton to be investigated? He believes three million voters voted ilegaly. Why isn't that investigated? HE is the President. Why is he whining about others doing something rather than doing something about it himself? Because he is a fucking worthless LOSER who wants to blame everybody else and not take responsibility for ANYTHING.

You guys are incredibly stupid

It's a gift you have. Two posts in a row avoiding anything posted and still said nothing. Trump ran for President once and won. Clinton ran twice and lost. Who's the loser? Besides yourself. Hannity demanded Koppel post all 45 minutes of his heavely edited interview, which CBS is famous for, selective editing, and Koppel responded by posting another 70 seconds. For Monker, thats one minute, ten seconds. a far cry from the full interview. Monker do luv his propaganda.

What are you talking about? Where is this "another 70 seconds"? Post a link.

Trump lost his battle in court for banning Muslims.
Trump lost his second battle in court for banning Muslims
Trump lost his battle to repeal and replace ObamaCare
Trump has lost multiple attempts to distract and end the investigation of his campaign ties to Russia.

Trump is a LOSER. He only wins when Putin is on his side cheating for him.

[Memorex]

Trump lost his battle in court for banning Muslims.
Trump lost his second battle in court for banning Muslims
Trump lost his battle to repeal and replace ObamaCare
Trump has lost multiple attempts to distract and end the investigation of his campaign ties to Russia.

Trump is a LOSER. He only wins when Putin is on his side cheating for him.

I've been so busy. I hadn't realized that those two immigration court cases wrapped up. And I see in the news today that Trump will be working with Dems on Healthcare and Republicans continue their work as well. I wonder if they got your memo that it had ended. And wow - a biggie. That investigation into Russia ended and he lost? What was the final outcome - what did they find? I mean he's lost all these things and I didn't even know they were done.

[ohsherrie]

What was said on CBS Sunday Morning by anybody who was in the piece is as irrelevant as the main stream media has become. The whole point of the piece was an attempt by the MSM to regain relevance.

[brywool]

Hannity's a complete jackass.

Here is the thing, Hannity can't help but to interupt and inject his opinion when facts disagree with him. He doesn't want to hear it. On his radio show, he doesn't allow it. Oh, he says he does and welcomes liberals to call in. But, when they do, he stampedes over them with his opinion.

You can see him try to do it in just this small clip...until Koppel asks him to stop. Koppel could barely fish a sentence without Hannity making some stupid comment. He doesn't want to hear reality, he blots it out with his own philosophy and opinion.

EXACTLY. He sits there with that smug look on his face interrupting Koppel even when Koppel asks to let him speak. Politics or not, the guy is a rude jackass. Maddow, although I'm loving that she's outing this ridiculous administration also comes off with that same smugness and I don't like her for it either.

[Memorex]

A former top Obama administration official has acknowledged efforts by her colleagues to gather intelligence on Trump team ties to Russia before Donald Trump took office and to conceal the sources of that intelligence from the incoming administration.

Evelyn Farkas, deputy assistant secretary of defense under Obama, made the disclosure while on the air with MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski.

“I was urging my former colleagues and, frankly speaking, the people on the Hill, it was more actually aimed at telling the Hill people, get as much information as you can, get as much intelligence as you can, before President Obama leaves the administration,” Farkas, who is now a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, said.

“Because I had a fear that somehow that information would disappear with the senior [Obama] people who left, so it would be hidden away in the bureaucracy ... that the Trump folks – if they found out how we knew what we knew about their ... the Trump staff dealing with Russians – that they would try to compromise those sources and methods, meaning we no longer have access to that intelligence.”

Aside from questions over whether communications were improperly gathered during the transition and before, there is speculation over how widely such information was disseminated. Farkas described a rush to spread the material before Trump took office.

"So I became very worried because not enough was coming out into the open and I knew that there was more. We have very good intelligence on Russia," she said. "So then I had talked to some of my former colleagues and I knew that they were trying to also help get information to the Hill."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03 ... -team.html

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gapRNpEjXUo

Hearing about this earlier today I thought, who raises their hand to be the first one to go to jail? Odd.

[Monker]

The Koppel piece was hob knobbed together to make Hannity look like an ass. It's the same reason why Limbaugh, and others refuse to do "Main Stream" interviews. Hannity should have known better then to do it.

That is complete and utter bullshit. Not even Hannity alleged that. There is absolutely no evidenced that it was "hob knobbed" together.

What Hannity said in his whiny ass rant was Ted was looking for a specific type of soundbyte, and that soundbyte was found and was used in the show...and the rest of the interview was (in HIS opinion) a very good substantiate interview but none of THAT was used. NOWHERE did he say what was used was cobbled together with fancy editing.

Geez, you can tell it wasn't edited together because they are talking over each other at many points. Hannity was acting EXACTLY how he does every day on HIS show and his radio show....but, despite those interruptions, old-man Koppel put him and his bullshitting attitude into place.