DC Extended Universe THREAD

[Monker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_e452o2bbE

[YoungJRNYfan]

Justice League Official Trailer #1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cxixDgHUYw

[RedWingFan]

Both MOS and BvS had trailers that got me excited to see the films, but failed to deliver. This trailer hasn't excited me at all. Maybe that'll mean it might deliver? One can hope, but I think it'd be a pipe dream that it'll be any better.

[YoungJRNYfan]

It's okay, RWF. You don't have to watch these movies. Sticking to the Kindle Fire as a scope for your DCEU experience is fine. For me, 'doh, come November I better get to the theater quick or else I'd have to settle for the low-level seating again. That would be no good.

[RedWingFan]

Watched it again and realized that Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg are introduced like they are the starting 5 of a basketball game. Not a good sign. IMO, the worst of the comic book movies are ones that introduce too many characters and villians. Movies like SM3, ASM2 and Batman Forever. The only time I think it was done successfully was Batman Returns. As far as JL, they have all this plus whatever villain/villains to flesh out.

[YoungJRNYfan]

What I like about the angle of Justice League is random'ers aren't just showing up to overcrowd the film. It's a recruitment character study by two of the league's established hero's so it makes for good drama, suspense and story on how Batman is going to convince the other meta's to join while chaos is bound to happen in between. These films are getting bigger and bigger and the audience don't need 5 solo's anymore to drag it out to get to the point. It can work and there's reminiscent of who the villains are in prior films, which I'm sure is bound to come back up in Wonder Woman in June (in the JL trailer, we see an Amazonian v Darkseid war--SCHWING!) There's tons of dynamics in play. JL looks to be a bombastic time and will look dynamite on that Kindle Fire.

[Monker]

JL looks to be a bombastic time and will look dynamite on that Kindle Fire.

Wow, I would think with all of this expertise that you would know that a Fire stick is Amazon's way to allow any TV (of projector) to play movies from Amazon video, NetFlix/ HULU, etc. He could sign up to Playstation VUE (which I would recommend) and cancel cable/satellite. It's not the same as an Fire tablet. Since Amazon streams in HD, depending on connection speed, it should look just fine.

[RedWingFan]

JL looks to be a bombastic time and will look dynamite on that Kindle Fire.

A fire stick plugs into any device with a HDMI port. I watch on a 70" tv. Hope you're right about it not sucking, just going by DCs track record as well as Sony's past outings, I don't see it happening. It'll do huge #s at the box office, especially opening weekend. You're going to see critics and audiences review it much like BvS. Just my prediction.

[YoungJRNYfan]

JL looks to be a bombastic time and will look dynamite on that Kindle Fire.

Wow, I would think with all of this expertise that you would know that a Fire stick is Amazon's way to allow any TV (of projector) to play movies from Amazon video, NetFlix/ HULU, etc. He could sign up to Playstation VUE (which I would recommend) and cancel cable/satellite. It's not the same as an Fire tablet. Since Amazon streams in HD, depending on connection speed, it should look just fine.

I've stopped paying attention to all of that shit a long time ago. Don't really care about any of it so thanks for the crash course. That said, JL will look dynamite projected on your 70" screen, RWF. Come to think of it, WB actually announced that they could set up ordering movies at home that would be still currently playing on the big screen. You could go that route as well, but the price point would be ridiculous.

[YoungJRNYfan]

You're going to see critics and audiences review it much like BvS. Just my prediction.

The hata's 'gon' hate crowd will always shout, but I don't think JL will be critically scored as bad as BvS. BvS ended in an incredibly dour note. It pitted two angsty hero's up against each other in a story that broke what it meant to be a superhero down in many parts and critics hate to be dragged through the mud with their hero's, but it was necessary. In JL, there's already plenty of upbeat personality to go 'round and the recruitment aspect of the film will bring a much more intriguing story of fun character interaction BvS was void of (manipulation was the driving force between the two.) Instead of things ending in death, things will end and begin with life so it's naturally way more upbeat, which will earn kudo's from the toughest critics so down on the "lack of XX." Snyder has his fair share of haters so I expect JL to potentially land in the mid 60's at its high end. Maybe near Watchmen percentages and that's good for me. As you said, as long as it crush's at the OW box office, that's all we need for more. Bring it on.

[Monker]

You're going to see critics and audiences review it much like BvS. Just my prediction.

The hata's 'gon' hate crowd will always shout, but I don't think JL will be critically scored as bad as BvS. BvS ended in an incredibly dour note. It pitted two angsty hero's up against each other in a story that broke what it meant to be a superhero down in many parts and critics hate to be dragged through the mud with their hero's, but it was necessary.

That's bullshit. That is not why people hated BvS. They hated it because there was so much random bullshit that made no sense. And, the "Martha" thing was so lame. It tried to cram way too much crap into 2.5hrs. It was too much story for too little time, and a director who could not see that he was in over his head.

In JL, there's already plenty of upbeat personality to go 'round and the recruitment aspect of the film will bring a much more intriguing story of fun character interaction

Wow, just like a Marvel movie...the trailer even has lots of humor.

But, even the trailer seems disjointed to me and trying to tell the stories of three new heroes, how they get into JL, and of course this far away problem that is already here.

It has potential...but considering the past with BvS and SS (and MoS for RWF), it is much safer to wait and see if it really delivers.

BvS was void of (manipulation was the driving force between the two.) Instead of things ending in death[/quote

And, the Nolan's Batman trilogy ends in Batman's death. So what. Just because a story ends in death does not mean it is harder to accept as being good.

things will end and begin with life so it's naturally way more upbeat, which will earn kudo's from the toughest critics

If they bring Superman back in some lame ass way, it will not earn kudos from anybody.

so down on the "lack of XX." Snyder has his fair share of haters so I expect JL to potentially land in the mid 60's at its high end. Maybe near Watchmen percentages and that's good for me. As you said, as long as it crush's at the OW box office, that's all we need for more. Bring it on.

So, you are low-balling its potential.

I say it depends on the reception of Thor:Ragnorok. If Thor is surprisingly great, then JL may be in trouble with a split audience in its first few weeks.

[YoungJRNYfan]

That's bullshit. That is not why people hated BvS. They hated it because there was so much random bullshit that made no sense. And, the "Martha" thing was so lame. It tried to cram way too much crap into 2.5hrs. It was too much story for too little time, and a director who could not see that he was in over his head.

No, all of that stuff that riddled and foreshadowed to a wider DCEU raged further debate and excitement for JL. Most of the critical reaction harped on tone, lack of humor and dire hero's that lacked pop and fun. There are a ton of McGuffin's and tropes in superhero movies that are jam-packed with comic stuff. That will never change. The main culprit of BvS's reaction was it was too devoid of personally and lacked "fun." Again, necessary to get where we need to with the DCEU.

Wow, just like a Marvel movie...the trailer even has lots of humor.

I am relieved that Snyder went Snyder and DIDN'T go the Marvel route. JL has that same flare and pizzazz that is so prominent with Snyder's films that I love. All he did was cooperate balance with characters that were always meant to add levity to the team by their personalities alone. That has nothing to do with Marvel because if anything, the humor is so much more natural and extensions of personality than shoe-horned into something so cheesy and goofy that it hurts. Glad Snyder didn't give in to the Marvel cheese and stuck true to how DC does "humor."

But, even the trailer seems disjointed to me and trying to tell the stories of three new heroes..

Key word being trailer. It's supposed to be cut up in that way. It's why it's a trailer.

It has potential...but considering the past with BvS and SS (and MoS for RWF), it is much safer to wait and see if it really delivers.

I judge every film on its own merit and not whats come before it. What's done is done. If The Wolverine was any indication of how good or bad Logan would have been, I probably would have stayed home. There is room for improvement for every movie put into production.

And, the Nolan's Batman trilogy ends in Batman's death.

No it doesn't. The ending was upbeat and satisfying and tied in to the trilogy quite beautifully. BvS's ending was depressing and signified a broken world in need of united hero's that was meant to blow off the hinges to the journey of finding the Justice League rather than ending on a high note in a closed trilogy. Two different things. Two different feelings. Two different meanings.

So, you are low-balling its potential.

BvS, critically, rated at what? 26% on RT? Justice League settling in the 60% range is not low-balling in the eyes of the critics. That's a hefty jump and the critical eye will forever be judging the DCEU at such an unfair advantage that certain critics refuse to give them leeway as they do with most other films in the genre. The DCEU is under some harsh scrutiny, one that kickstarted a battle between the fanbase and subpar editorial battles across the web. I can give a shit less where the critical reception goes. We're way past that fickle BS and the critics have absolutely no say in how I enjoy these movies. As i said, I'm good for Justice League making enough bank for the DCEU to continue. In fact,with my crunched down numbers, I'll go out on a limb and say JL will squeek past $1bil, something I wasn't comfortable in doing with MoS OR BvS. I'll say JL does $1.047 bil. If it doesn't, I won't lose sleep.

I say it depends on the reception of Thor:Ragnorok. If Thor is surprisingly great, then JL may be in trouble with a split audience in its first few weeks.

No.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Justice League’ Dominates Social Media Buzz With New Trailers

Warner Bros. mega-tentpole “Justice League” dominated social media chatter last week with more than 201,000 new conversations, according to media-measurement firm comScore and its PreAct service.

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/justi ... 202017388/

[Monker]

....and Wonder Woman falls completely on her ass.

Justice League’ Dominates Social Media Buzz With New Trailers

Warner Bros. mega-tentpole “Justice League” dominated social media chatter last week with more than 201,000 new conversations, according to media-measurement firm comScore and its PreAct service.

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/justi ... 202017388/

[Monker]

That's bullshit. That is not why people hated BvS. They hated it because there was so much random bullshit that made no sense. And, the "Martha" thing was so lame. It tried to cram way too much crap into 2.5hrs. It was too much story for too little time, and a director who could not see that he was in over his head.

No, all of that stuff that riddled and foreshadowed to a wider DCEU raged further debate and excitement for JL. Most of the critical reaction harped on tone, lack of humor and dire hero's that lacked pop and fun. There are a ton of McGuffin's and tropes in superhero movies that are jam-packed with comic stuff. That will never change. The main culprit of BvS's reaction was it was too devoid of personally and lacked "fun." Again, necessary to get where we need to with the DCEU.

Wow, good luck with that. It's wishful thinking at best.

Wow, just like a Marvel movie...the trailer even has lots of humor.

I am relieved that Snyder went Snyder and DIDN'T go the Marvel route. JL has that same flare and pizzazz that is so prominent with Snyder's films that I love. All he did was cooperate balance with characters that were always meant to add levity to the team by their personalities alone. That has nothing to do with Marvel because if anything, the humor is so much more natural and extensions of personality than shoe-horned into something so cheesy and goofy that it hurts. Glad Snyder didn't give in to the Marvel cheese and stuck true to how DC does "humor."

Yeah, "Just like a bat. I dig it." Isn't cheesy and goofy but is full of flare and pizzazz. You are being a hypocrite.

But, even the trailer seems disjointed to me and trying to tell the stories of three new heroes..

Key word being trailer. It's supposed to be cut up in that way. It's why it's a trailer.

Exactly what you said about BvS and that was horrible.

It has potential...but considering the past with BvS and SS (and MoS for RWF), it is much safer to wait and see if it really delivers.

I judge every film on its own merit and not whats come before it.

That is a lie. Thor:Ragnorok.

And, the Nolan's Batman trilogy ends in Batman's death.

No it doesn't. The ending was upbeat and satisfying and tied in to the trilogy quite beautifully.

Stop the spin. Batman died. Superman died. Same thing.
Jesus died.
Gandalf died.
Beowulf died.
Obiwan died

Hell, in Farscape, Aeryn died, Crichton died, Zhaan died...

You are doing nothing but making excuses.

BvS's ending was depressing and signified a broken world in need of united hero's that was meant to blow off the hinges to the journey of finding the Justice League rather than ending on a high note in a closed trilogy. Two different things. Two different feelings. Two different meanings.

Very few care about this over-analysis. They either liked it, or not...and many, many didn't like BvS at all.

I say it depends on the reception of Thor:Ragnorok. If Thor is surprisingly great, then JL may be in trouble with a split audience in its first few weeks.

No.

Yes. If people go back multiple times to see Thor, they may not even see JL once.

[verslibre]

....and Wonder Woman falls completely on her ass.

Not the case before the Justice League trailer. Wonder Woman was generating mucho buzz.

Also, she's IN Justice League. So that's okay. But the newest trailers get chatted up the most.

'Sides, JL smoked Homecoming on that chart.

[verslibre]

If people go back multiple times to see Thor, they may not even see JL once.

That made me laugh. Ragnarok's best scenes will be the ones with Hulk. I predict it won't do a lot of repeat business, and a lot of people won't see it opening weekend, but will wait for "Discount Tuesday." It's not going to have legs. Justice League will bury Ragnarok — with daisies.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Wow, good luck with that. It's wishful thinking at best.

What's wishful thinking? You don't have shit. Your reply is as lazy as the latest Spider-Man trailer.

Yeah, "Just like a bat. I dig it." Isn't cheesy and goofy but is full of flare and pizzazz. You are being a hypocrite

I said it once and I'll continue to say it. I welcome humor. There's nothing wrong with humor. But DC will never stoop to the god awful levels of how Marvel uses it and that's a damn fact. Man of Steel had some humor. BvS had some humor and so did SSQUAD. None of it was used as bad of a crutch and as criminally insulting to a mature audience than what Marvel has done to the term. But that's what you get with a studio owned by Disney. OVERBOARD.

Exactly what you said about BvS and that was horrible.

We're not talking about BvS. Point still remains that it's still a trailer. They went more of the cool factor in this one. I expect next trailer to be more story driven. But I will probably skip it in fear of seeing too much; ala BvS trailer #2; Spider-Man: Homecoming trailer #2.

That is a lie. Thor:Ragnorok.

I won't be seeing Thor:Ragnorok, so it's a moot point. I don't like those films. I don't like what I'm seeing from those films so like RWF, I won't be seeing that film. If I ever did, then I will judge accordingly, not on TDW's values.

Stop the spin. Batman died. Superman died. Same thing.
Jesus died.
Gandalf died.
Beowulf died.
Obiwan died

Hell, in Farscape, Aeryn died, Crichton died, Zhaan died...

You lack comprehension and context. If it's anybody that's spinning, it's you (not surprised.) Full disclosure: You do know Bruce Wayne and Batman are one in the same..right?

You are doing nothing but making excuses.

I add context to everything I say and what is thought to be my opinion whether you agree or disagree. When you're out of ammo, you just add rubber bullet insults.

Very few care about this over-analysis. They either liked it, or not...and many, many didn't like BvS at all.

And many, many did. We can do this all day.

Yes. If people go back multiple times to see Thor, they may not even see JL once.

[Monker]

If people go back multiple times to see Thor, they may not even see JL once.

That made me laugh. Ragnarok's best scenes will be the ones with Hulk. I predict it won't do a lot of repeat business, and a lot of people won't see it opening weekend, but will wait for "Discount Tuesday." It's not going to have legs. Justice League will bury Ragnarok — with daisies.

Maybe, maybe not. You are simply guessing...with a lot of bias.

[YoungJRNYfan]

If anything, it'll be the complete opposite. Ragnarok comes out a few weeks before Justice League so it's first leg of its BO run will be dried up. Justice League will probably end up taking many screens away from Thor from the sheer OW mayhem it's bound to bring. In reality, people probably won't see Thor a second time due to Justice League coming out hot on its trails just weeks later.

[Monker]

Wow, good luck with that. It's wishful thinking at best.

What's wishful thinking? You don't have shit. Your reply is as lazy as the latest Spider-Man trailer.

Yep...because you already know there are a lot of other problems with BvS. You just absolutely refuse to recognize them...and instead try to turn them into some kinda positive for JL. That just isn't going to happen...but you are so cemented in, that there is no sense in giving a real response.

Yeah, "Just like a bat. I dig it." Isn't cheesy and goofy but is full of flare and pizzazz. You are being a hypocrite

I said it once and I'll continue to say it. I welcome humor. There's nothing wrong with humor. But DC will never stoop to the god awful levels of how Marvel uses it and that's a damn fact.[/quote]

They already are digging to the Marvel depths. You just refuse to recognize it. That Aquaman quote was funny to me only because ti was so stupid and should have been cut.

Exactly what you said about BvS and that was horrible.

We're not talking about BvS.

Wrong. RWF and I were both sayinbg how expectations are lower because of how horrible BvS and SS (and MoS for RWF) were. Therefore, you making the EXACT SAME ARGUMENT for JL is not really saying much for JL since BvS was absolutely horrible.

Point still remains that it's still a trailer. They went more of the cool factor in this one. I expect next trailer to be more story driven. But I will probably skip it in fear of seeing too much; ala BvS trailer #2; Spider-Man: Homecoming trailer #2.

So, when Spiderman releases a trailer that is story related, it's the end of the world and they gave too much away, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. But, if DC does it, it's OK, you'll just skip it.

That is a lie. Thor:Ragnorok.

I won't be seeing Thor:Ragnorok, so it's a moot point. I don't like those films. I don't like what I'm seeing from those films so like RWF, I won't be seeing that film. If I ever did, then I will judge accordingly, not on TDW's values.

You said, and I was directly replying to, "I judge every film on its own merit and not whats come before it. "

You now in total contradiction to that statement. You are prejudging Thor:Ragnorok based on the prior Thor movies....that you won't like it. Then you leave yourself an opening to "rejudge". it if you somehow do see it.

Stop the spin. Batman died. Superman died. Same thing.
Jesus died.
Gandalf died.
Beowulf died.
Obiwan died

Hell, in Farscape, Aeryn died, Crichton died, Zhaan died...

You lack comprehension and context. If it's anybody that's spinning, it's you (not surprised.) Full disclosure: You do know Bruce Wayne and Batman are one in the same..right?

I know exactly what I am talking about. Oh, it's so sad that Superman died and everybody is at the funeral at the end. To quote Rocket, "Awe, boo hoo." And, BTW, Groot died, too. At the end, you knew JL was coming regardless. Saying it got bad reviews because of a sad ending is simply not true. If it WAS overly depressing, it's because of bad writing and not setting up JL properly at the end.

And:
Jesus was resurrected, obviously

Beowulf died an old man after living a full life, and even becoming King. And, he died in the role of a hero, not in the role of a king...which in a way "resurrected" him.

Gandalf the Grey died, and Gandalf the White rose to confront Saruman..so Gandalf was resurrected.
Obiwan died but his spirit is resurrected as a Force Gost.
Groot died and will come back as baby Groot.

Zhaan died sacrificing her life for the rest of the crew. She never came back, though I think she could have...if the series had continued.

Crichton was duplicated (not cloned...) and after a season of following two Crichton's, he died sacrificing himself so Aeryn and the rest could live. When reuniting with the other Crichton, Aeryn was so grieved she couldn't speak to him or commit herself to him because she couldn't stand losing him again.

Aeryn died when Crichton was taken over by Scorpius and he took down her ship over an ice planet and frozen lake, she drowned. She was brought back by Zhaan who sacrificed part of her "self" to bring her back...or resurrect her. And, that is how the season ended...the funeral opened the first episode of the next season.

So, all your talk about it being too sad for critics is bullshit. All your talk about sacrificing BvS for a grand resurrection of Superman is also bullshit. It was a badly written movie. This story line is not new...it has been done over and over and over again...and much, much better.

Talk about a sad ending:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z8ohwF9A0k

My thoughts were at that time that I had just watched the most dramatic and best TV series of all time.
Sadness, phaw
Greatness, phaw
A movie goer seeks not these things, but the dramatic ups and downs and struggles and victories that mimic their own life. That is what people crave and what makes ANY type of story great.

Oh, and how did Farscape END? With them both dying:

https://youtu.be/AAZxGIkTkMY

The last scene of the series - the two lead characters being crystallized. Is it sad? Yes. Did it cause everybody to become all critical? NO...because the show is so well written it caused the audience to DEMAND SciFi do more...and end the series properly with the Peacekeep Wars mini-series....which ends in a birth, not a death.

Very few care about this over-analysis. They either liked it, or not...and many, many didn't like BvS at all.

And many, many did. We can do this all day.

But, not as many as CA:CW.

Even though it made a few dollars, BvS had the potential to do double the business it did.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Yep...because you already know there are a lot of other problems with BvS. You just absolutely refuse to recognize them...and instead try to turn them into some kinda positive for JL.

The only thing worth recognizing is that there are arcs set up in BvS that are still meant to be played out. It is yet to be seen what or how things will payoff. That in itself is the reason for turning a new leaf with Justice League and see how they pull things that may have confused in BvS, off. It's all apart of the rules of this connecting universe.

That just isn't going to happen...

Wishful thinking at its finest.

that there is no sense in giving a real response.

Glad you admit it was half-assed.

They already are digging to the Marvel depths. You just refuse to recognize it.

They most certainly aren't. If you seriously can't tell the different between the execution of the humor itself, then there's only one of us that can't seem to recognize a thing and it's not me. This usually happens when you like to hum to the sound of your own voice. DC simply won't take their humor overboard.

Wrong. RWF and I were both sayinbg how expectations are lower because of how horrible BvS and SS (and MoS for RWF) were.

Already addressed at different talking points. Point still remains that I wasn't talking about BvS when things pertained to the JL trailer. You said something about how it was cut and then obsessively used BvS as a debate to use against me, but I'm still right in how the JL trailer is the JL trailer. Same can't be said about BvS's trailers because they were strung together in completely different manors. You're slick, but not that slick.

So, when Spiderman releases a trailer that is story related, it's the end of the world and they gave too much away, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. But, if DC does it, it's OK, you'll just skip it.

No. It's not okay. It comes down to viewer beware. I watched Batman v Superman's trailer #2 and it gave away a ton, regrettably so, but that's neither here or there (for the record, SM:HC trailer #2 didn't just give away "too much". They gave away the whole fucking movie). It's up to the fan or viewer to make a decision to stay away so whoever decides to watch it or skip it is on them. For me, I'll be skipping JL trailer #3. Not sure what it will show, but I'm good for the sake of my viewing pleasure.

You are prejudging Thor:Ragnorok based on the prior Thor movies

Dude, I don't give a flying FUCK about Thor or his movies, which is why you barely see my indulge in much conversation in the MCU thread. I simply have no interest.

Then you leave yourself an opening to "rejudge". it if you somehow do see it.

I leave myself open to anything but chances are, I won't see the new Thor flick so no worries.

I know exactly what I am talking about.

You take yourself way too serious there, Chief.

Saying it got bad reviews because of a sad ending is simply not true.

Didn't say that. There's many reasons why it got bad reviews and it has a little bit to do with everything I've already said above, so I won't repeat myself in fear of you moving the goalposts once again.

And:
Jesus was resurrected, obviously

Beowulf died an old man after living a full life, and even becoming King. And, he died in the role of a hero, not in the role of a king...which in a way "resurrected" him.

Gandalf the Grey died, and Gandalf the White rose to confront Saruman..so Gandalf was resurrected.
Obiwan died but his spirit is resurrected as a Force Gost.
Groot died and will come back as baby Groot.

Zhaan died sacrificing her life for the rest of the crew. She never came back, though I think she could have...if the series had continued.

Crichton was duplicated (not cloned...) and after a season of following two Crichton's, he died sacrificing himself so Aeryn and the rest could live. When reuniting with the other Crichton, Aeryn was so grieved she couldn't speak to him or commit herself to him because she couldn't stand losing him again.

Aeryn died when Crichton was taken over by Scorpius and he took down her ship over an ice planet and frozen lake, she drowned. She was brought back by Zhaan who sacrificed part of her "self" to bring her back...or resurrect her. And, that is how the season ended...the funeral opened the first episode of the next season.

So, all your talk about it being too sad for critics is bullshit. All your talk about sacrificing BvS for a grand resurrection of Superman is also bullshit. It was a badly written movie. This story line is not new...it has been done over and over and over again...and much, much better.

Talk about a sad ending:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z8ohwF9A0k

My thoughts were at that time that I had just watched the most dramatic and best TV series of all time.
Sadness, phaw
Greatness, phaw
A movie goer seeks not these things, but the dramatic ups and downs and struggles and victories that mimic their own life. That is what people crave and what makes ANY type of story great.

Oh, and how did Farscape END? With them both dying:

https://youtu.be/AAZxGIkTkMY

The last scene of the series - the two lead characters being crystallized. Is it sad? Yes. Did it cause everybody to become all critical? NO...because the show is so well written it caused the audience to DEMAND SciFi do more...and end the series properly with the Peacekeep Wars mini-series....which ends in a birth, not a death.

SPAM.

But, not as many as CA:CW.

SHOEHORN.

Even though it made a few dollars, BvS had the potential to do double the business it did.

Every film does in hindsight.

[YoungJRNYfan]

CinemaCon:

[YoungJRNYfan]

Reports from from Cinemacon: Justice League cast assembled. New Wonder Woman sequences. A bunch of Aquaman concept art of Atlantis and Black Manta. Jason Momoa will be going to Australia this week. So far i'm seeing the concept art is getting a good reception

Steven Weintraub‏Verified account @colliderfrosty 9m9 minutes ago
Just saw a ton of footage from Wonder Woman and holy shit does it look awesome.

Steven Weintraub‏Verified account @colliderfrosty 22m22 minutes ago
They just played a behind the scenes trailer for Aquaman which showed animated production artwork & narrated by @creepypuppet. The Aquaman behind the scenes video they just showed will play huge at Comic-Con if they show it this summer. Which they should. Huge thumbs up

Batman-News.com‏ @BatmanNewsCom
JusticeLeague extended trailer had 2 extra scenes! 1) Flash geeking out about the Batsignal, 2) Wonder Woman sword action with The Flash!

Zack Snyder JL concept art:

[YoungJRNYfan]

Looks like @PattyJenks and @GalGadot hit a home run with Wonder Woman. Amazing footage shown at #CinemaCon. Action is beyond flawless.

[verslibre]

Steven Weintraub‏Verified account @colliderfrosty 9m9 minutes ago
Just saw a ton of footage from Wonder Woman and holy shit does it look awesome.

Batman-News.com‏ @BatmanNewsCom
JusticeLeague extended trailer had 2 extra scenes! 1) Flash geeking out about the Batsignal, 2) Wonder Woman sword action with The Flash!

Looks like @PattyJenks and @GalGadot hit a home run with Wonder Woman. Amazing footage shown at #CinemaCon. Action is beyond flawless.

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If anything, it'll be the complete opposite. Ragnarok comes out a few weeks before Justice League so it's first leg of its BO run will be dried up. Justice League will probably end up taking many screens away from Thor from the sheer OW mayhem it's bound to bring. In reality, people probably won't see Thor a second time due to Justice League coming out hot on its trails just weeks later.

Nobody's going to be watching Ragnarok the weekend Justice is out. Except for the "most devout Marvel masochists" (as they were described in a review of Iron Fist).

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They already are digging to the Marvel depths. You just refuse to recognize it. That Aquaman quote was funny to me only because ti was so stupid and should have been cut.

Actually, they aren't. Somebody wrote that they heard from somebody connected to the production dept. that the trailer is misleading, i.e. there is a lot less humor in the movie than one anticipates.

So, when Spiderman releases a trailer that is story related, it's the end of the world and they gave too much away, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. But, if DC does it, it's OK, you'll just skip it.

If you recall, that's exactly what BvS got hammered for after the Doomsday reveal. But the trailer still didn't blow every major beat.

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