They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

Media Matters won. Fox will morph into another liberal propaganda station for idiots like Monker to lap up.

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/fox-news-fires ... 51947.html

Perhaps he'll get a deal with CRTV.

The problem is, Murdoch's sons don't even understand conservatism. Crap like "The Five" is pure filler.

[The_Noble_Cause]

At age 48 I can wipe my ass until it is completely bloody raw and still end up with undies with racing stripes later in the day. Anyone else?

Sounds like a colostomy bag would be an upgrade.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I disagreed with Bill more often than not. But he was an American institution. He deserved a better exit than this. Tucker is great. They should put Stossel and Judge Nap in primetime. Put Hannity on at 1 am. He's pretty much a Trump infomercial anyways.

[JBlake]

:shock:

Caitlyn Jenner is planning to take it all off for a nude photo shoot, DailyMail.com can disclose. Jenner, 67, completed gender reassignment surgery in January, according to her new memoir, ‘The Secrets of My Life’. The photo shoot promises to be Caitlyn's finest hour since she first announced her transition in an interview with ABC’s Diane Sawyer in April 2015 and revealed her new look in a Vanity Fair spread the following July. Although the Kardashian-Jenner clan is said to be ‘wholly supportive’ of Jenner’s transition, sources close to the family say the prospect of a nude shoot is ‘their worst nightmare’.

Who is the first to say, "I'd hit it"?

Lamar Odom

[scarab]

At age 48 I can wipe my ass until it is completely bloody raw and still end up with undies with racing stripes later in the day. Anyone else?

this is the by far the most intelligent thing expressed in an otherwise "shit thread",
thank you AR, as the late great Carrie Fisher said, you're our only hope.

[steveo777]

At age 48 I can wipe my ass until it is completely bloody raw and still end up with undies with racing stripes later in the day. Anyone else?

The perfect diet will leave you shitting rabbit like pellets with no TP required.

[Boomchild]

:shock:

Caitlyn Jenner is planning to take it all off for a nude photo shoot, DailyMail.com can disclose. Jenner, 67, completed gender reassignment surgery in January, according to her new memoir, ‘The Secrets of My Life’. The photo shoot promises to be Caitlyn's finest hour since she first announced her transition in an interview with ABC’s Diane Sawyer in April 2015 and revealed her new look in a Vanity Fair spread the following July. Although the Kardashian-Jenner clan is said to be ‘wholly supportive’ of Jenner’s transition, sources close to the family say the prospect of a nude shoot is ‘their worst nightmare’.

Who is the first to say, "I'd hit it"?

Eww, there are some things the world doesn't not need to see. This is one of them. Proof this world is full of sick fucks.

[verslibre]

Who is the first to say, "I'd hit it"?

Verussy

Your mom's a way better lay. I still wear three condoms, though. Better safe than sorry!

[slucero]

:shock:

Caitlyn Jenner is planning to take it all off for a nude photo shoot, DailyMail.com can disclose. Jenner, 67, completed gender reassignment surgery in January, according to her new memoir, ‘The Secrets of My Life’. The photo shoot promises to be Caitlyn's finest hour since she first announced her transition in an interview with ABC’s Diane Sawyer in April 2015 and revealed her new look in a Vanity Fair spread the following July. Although the Kardashian-Jenner clan is said to be ‘wholly supportive’ of Jenner’s transition, sources close to the family say the prospect of a nude shoot is ‘their worst nightmare’.

Who is the first to say, "I'd hit it"?

[Monker]

You have said, quote, "He only wins when Putin is on his side cheating for him." I don't see any attribution to the FBI. These are your words. Seems this is what YOU believe, which coincidentally is also what the DNC and every Hillary sycophant believes. Additionally, the Russia hacking story is founded on the hacked servers being examined by Crowdstrike – a DNC contracted tech firm. The FBI did not examine the servers. For that matter, no other intel agency did.

Wow, I don't even know where to begin with this one.

Yes, if Putin had not been trying to influence the election, including hacking, I don't think Trump would have won.

I doubt you know anything about what evidence the FBI REALLY has. IMO, only Comey and a very small number of people at the FBI know that.

They probably didn't even need to examine the server to know it was hacked. With the capabilities of the NSA, there are "other ways" to know.

Neocons in both parties have wanted war with Russia for awhile.

I doubt that very much. It's more likely that you are playing Breit Bart and connecting dots to conclude to yourself that certain people want war with Russia. In other words, you are listening to "fake news" and believing it is fact.

IMO, war with Russia, China, or N. Korea is a very stupid idea.

But the FBI is relying on Crowdstrike’s analysis of those hacked servers. Crowdstrike is a private tech firm hired by DNC. Stop hiding behind the FBI and the NSA. First, their track record sucks and secondly, they are relying on secondhand intel from DNC.

Blah, blah, blah.

The FBI relies on their own intelligence gathering which I don't think anybody on this forum knows anything about. To underestimate it, or the NSA, is very, very, ignorant

I was also a member of the BT forums, Monker. And alot has changed since those days. Namely, Hillary has turned Dems like you into warmongers who repeat demonstrably false bullshit like "...but the entire intelligence community agrees!"

Well, a few lies from you here.

Lie #1, I'm not a Democrat.
Lie #2, I'm not a warmonger
Lie #3, the entire intelligence community DOES agree that Russia attempted to hack the election.

You have to be pretty deep in the rabbit hole (or is it up your own ass?) to think the US bombing of Russian soldiers would not spark an international incident right now.

"international incident" does not equate to WW3.

Here’s the quote defending Hillary's use of a private server. Speaks for itself.

“That's just not true. She had permission to use it. In fact, one of the long spam posts from FF contained the conversation where it was inquired if having her own server was OK.”

Yep...and you asked for article...I couldn't find it, and haven't argued the issue since. Wow, one post.

“Let's take Brazille. She had an interview where she basically said, "You have only seen one half of the story. There is this other stack of Emails over here that nobody has seen...and I can't comment on them due to privacy."

So, tell me, how do you know that Brazille did not have the exact same conversations with people working with Bernie Sanders? So, both sides knew what to expect and would have full and complete answers to the questions making it a more informative debate...which was HER JOB?”

Yep, I said that, too. But, you removed it from the context of our conversation about why I do not read WikiLeaks...I was NOT 'defending" Brazille but using it as an example of how WikiLeaks is one sided. They had a biased agenda against Clinton.

Understandably your favorite bedtime story considering the protagonist is a walking jackass.

No, I had never read it before. But, obviously YOU HAVE...but you had to twist it and lie about the story to make it beneficial for you. That's all you are doing now in almost every post you make here.

[JBlake]

Understandably your favorite bedtime story considering the protagonist is a walking jackass.

No, I had never read it before. But, obviously YOU HAVE...but you had to twist it and lie about the story to make it beneficial for you. That's all you are doing now in almost every post you make here.

LOL, if you've never read the story before how can you even claim that someone else twists it and lies about it? Maybe you should read it first and then make that determination?

[Monker]

Understandably your favorite bedtime story considering the protagonist is a walking jackass.

No, I had never read it before. But, obviously YOU HAVE...but you had to twist it and lie about the story to make it beneficial for you. That's all you are doing now in almost every post you make here.

LOL, if you've never read the story before how can you even claim that someone else twists it and lies about it? Maybe you should read it first and then make that determination?

Dude, he said King Midas dug a hole to tell his secrets to.
This story says that it was his barber who dug the hole because he could not keep the secret that King Midas had donkey ears...and the entire point of this story is different than what TNC was trying to make...quite the opposite, actually.

i had not read it until I Googled it and found that TNC was lying about it.

[Monker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MqTOEospfo

Hey it's Earth Day. Remember what they told us in 1970?

https://ricochet.com/424431/13-ridiculo ... -day-1970/

1.“Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.” — Harvard biologist George Wald

2.“We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation.” — Washington University biologist Barry Commoner

3.“Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.” — New York Times editorial

4.“Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.” — Stanford University biologist Paul Ehrlich

5.“Most of the people who are going to die in the greatest cataclysm in the history of man have already been born… [By 1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.” — Paul Ehrlich

6.“It is already too late to avoid mass starvation,” — Denis Hayes, Chief organizer for Earth Day

7.“Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions…. By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.” — North Texas State University professor Peter Gunter

8.“In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution… by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half.” — Life magazine

9.“At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.” — Ecologist Kenneth Watt

10.“Air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.” — Paul Ehrlich

11.“By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate… that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, ‘Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, ‘I am very sorry, there isn’t any.’” — Ecologist Kenneth Watt

12.“[One] theory assumes that the earth’s cloud cover will continue to thicken as more dust, fumes, and water vapor are belched into the atmosphere by industrial smokestacks and jet planes. Screened from the sun’s heat, the planet will cool, the water vapor will fall and freeze, and a new Ice Age will be born.” — Newsweek magazine

13.“The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.” — Kenneth Watt

[Boomchild]

Hey it's Earth Day. Remember what they told us in 1970?

Not to worry, I'm sure they are working on a whole new list of things to scare people about the doom and gloom of the environment. We have Al Gore's new "Inconvenient Truth" to look forward to.

[Boomchild]

Don't worry Boomchild. All you have to do is donate large sums to any Globalist Socialist source and everything will be fine.

You mean if I do that I get an exemption from the "carbon footprint tax" that surely is forthcoming?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Dude, he said King Midas dug a hole to tell his secrets to.
This story says that it was his barber who dug the hole because he could not keep the secret that King Midas had donkey ears...and the entire point of this story is different than what TNC was trying to make...quite the opposite, actually.

i had not read it until I Googled it and found that TNC was lying about it.

Myths and fables have many variations, largely because they have been carried down in the oral tradition. In the version I am familiar with, Midas himself dug the hole to whisper his secrets. Monker must go around accusing pre-school teachers of lying if they say Jack stole a golden goose instead of a golden hen in 'Jack and the Beanstalk'. The fact that Monk is unfamiliar with the Midas myth just continues to reveal how ignorant he is.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Wow, I don't even know where to begin with this one.

Yes, if Putin had not been trying to influence the election, including hacking, I don't think Trump would have won.

Well, according to your beloved sources in the intelligence community, including Comey and Rogers, there is no proof that Russia changed the election results. WikiLeaks emphatically denies that the DNC/Podesta emails were given to them by Russia. Romanian hacker, Guccifer 2.0, says the DNC emails came from DNC employee Seth Rich. So what exactly did Russia do to influence the election? The unclassified ODNI Report on Russia activities in the US election pointed to the cable channel, Russia Today, and their programming on fracking and Occupy Wall Street. Give me a break. So what did Russia do? You have no facts. Like all liberal ideologues your entire belief system is based in wish fulfillment.

They probably didn't even need to examine the server to know it was hacked. With the capabilities of the NSA, there are "other ways" to know.

Riiiiight. Just like the US “probably” didn’t need weapons inspectors on the ground in Iraq to say nothing was being found. You’re engaging in magical thinking again and should try to educate yourself a little on malware attribution. As cyber experts have mentioned, just because a shooter leaves a Kalishnikov AKM at the scene of the crime, that doesn’t mean the murderer was a Russian. Russian code found on malware could have even been deliberately left by Chinese hackers. In 2014, the CIA itself admitted to hacking into Senate computers. So this is all bullshit.

I doubt that very much. It's more likely that you are playing Breit Bart and connecting dots to conclude to yourself that certain people want war with Russia. In other words, you are listening to "fake news" and believing it is fact.

No. I’ve just been paying attention. The agenda is obvious, same as it was with going into Iraq. Stephen F. Cohen, professor emeritus of Russian studies/history at NYU and Princeton has been saying the exact same thing repeatedly. As far as regurgitating fake news, I can think of no better example than you on here telling people that Hillary had permission to use a private server. You would have to subsist on a diet of the most discredited partisan MSNBC bullshit to believe that one.

Blah, blah, blah.

The FBI relies on their own intelligence gathering which I don't think anybody on this forum knows anything about. To underestimate it, or the NSA, is very, very, ignorant.

Again, you’re misinformed and relying on magical thinking. Here’s the facts (from CNN):

“The FBI repeatedly stressed to DNC officials the necessity of obtaining direct access to servers and data, only to be rebuffed until well after the initial compromise had been mitigated…The FBI instead relied on the assessment from a third-party security company called CrowdStrIke.”

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/ ... owdstrike/

Well, a few lies from you here.

Lie #1, I'm not a Democrat.
Lie #2, I'm not a warmonger
Lie #3, the entire intelligence community DOES agree that Russia attempted to hack the election.

1) Independents don’t carry-water for Hillary’s lies.
2) Anybody repeating the “Russia hacked the US” lie is no different than the bellicose “patriots” who said we need to take Saddam out.
3) The “entire intelligence community” talking point is meaningless. There was IC consensus around Iraq as well. Gulf of Tonkin too. Where’s the proof?

"international incident" does not equate to WW3.

If we bombed Russians right now, we would be at war. There is no doubt about it. You obviously have some sort of reality dissociative order where you think life is one big Call of Duty video game without consequences.

Yep, I said that, too. But, you removed it from the context of our conversation about why I do not read WikiLeaks...I was NOT 'defending" Brazille but using it as an example of how WikiLeaks is one sided. They had a biased agenda against Clinton.

Riiiight. Did Wiki have an anti-Clinton bias when they exposed Bush-era corruption? Again, you sound like the Nixonian fascists that wanted Ellsberg locked up for leaking the Pentagon Papers.

On a final note, if you were independent or honest, I think there would be people in this thread backing you up. Posters I disagree with politically, like Dave and KC, would agree that I am at least an honest guy. There is nobody in this thread that would say that about you. We don't need all 17 intelligence agencies to confirm that you are a propaganda-shoveling liberal hack of the worst kind. There’s a reason for that.

[Boomchild]

BREAKING NEWS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE:

Sean Spicer: “Trump’s tax records are now available in a safe place for all to see.”

CNN Reporter: “Where is that?”

Sean Spicer: “They’re underneath Obama’s college records, his birth record, his passport application, his immigration status as a student, his funding source to pay for college, his college records, his selective service registration, and Hillary’s email log and 66,000 missing emails”

[Monker]

Wow, I don't even know where to begin with this one.

Yes, if Putin had not been trying to influence the election, including hacking, I don't think Trump would have won.

Well, according to your beloved sources in the intelligence community, including Comey and Rogers, there is no proof that Russia changed the election results.

Yep....and if Russia had not been involved, I still don't think Trump would have won.

WikiLeaks emphatically denies that the DNC/Podesta emails were given to them by Russia.

Yeah, and Assange denies he has anything against Clinton. The guy lies almost as much as Trump does.

They probably didn't even need to examine the server to know it was hacked. With the capabilities of the NSA, there are "other ways" to know.

Riiiiight. Just like the US “probably” didn’t need weapons inspectors on the ground in Iraq to say nothing was being found.

Dude, it's the INTERNET. The NSA intercepts and stores EVERY electronic communication made. You are talking from a place of complete ignorance if you believe they need some server to tell them about Russia hacking.

You’re engaging in magical thinking again and should try to educate yourself a little on malware attribution. As cyber experts have mentioned, just because a shooter leaves a Kalishnikov AKM at the scene of the crime, that doesn’t mean the murderer was a Russian. Russian code found on malware could have even been deliberately left by Chinese hackers. In 2014, the CIA itself admitted to hacking into Senate computers. So this is all bullshit.

If you believe this is the only evidence the NSA has, again, complete ignorance...and you are very naïve.

I doubt that very much. It's more likely that you are playing Breit Bart and connecting dots to conclude to yourself that certain people want war with Russia. In other words, you are listening to "fake news" and believing it is fact.

No. I’ve just been paying attention. The agenda is obvious,

When you start GUESSING agendas, you are in the realm of Breit Bart and conspiracy theories...it's the very definition.

same as it was with going into Iraq. Stephen F. Cohen, professor emeritus of Russian studies/history at NYU and Princeton has been saying the exact same thing repeatedly. As far as regurgitating fake news, I can think of no better example than you on here telling people that Hillary had permission to use a private server. You would have to subsist on a diet of the most discredited partisan MSNBC bullshit to believe that one.

If I were you, I'd be more worried about Trump starting a war with North Korea than inventing agendas about Russia.

If you want to see fake news, go back and read FF And KC spreading stories about the pizzeria, or Kellyann Conway kneeling on the couch wasn't really Kellyann Conway, or almost every other thing they find spammed in their Email box that they spread to this forum. THAT is fake news...not me commenting in this forum.

Well, a few lies from you here.

Lie #1, I'm not a Democrat.
Lie #2, I'm not a warmonger
Lie #3, the entire intelligence community DOES agree that Russia attempted to hack the election.

1) Independents don’t carry-water for Hillary’s lies.
2) Anybody repeating the “Russia hacked the US” lie is no different than the bellicose “patriots” who said we need to take Saddam out.
3) The “entire intelligence community” talking point is meaningless. There was IC consensus around Iraq as well. Gulf of Tonkin too. Where’s the proof?

#1 It is not up to you to define what an "independent" is.
#2 is a false equivalency. I have NEVER advocated "war" in this or any other forum.
#3 Thank you for admitting you lied.

"international incident" does not equate to WW3.

If we bombed Russians right now, we would be at war.

We were not "bombing Russians". We bombed an airport Assad used to launch a chemical weapon attack. Russians were not the target.

There is no doubt about it. You obviously have some sort of reality dissociative order where you think life is one big Call of Duty video game without consequences.

You obviously do not know the difference between bombing an airport and bombing Russians.

Riiiight. Did Wiki have an anti-Clinton bias when they exposed Bush-era corruption?

Absolutely. If a Clinton could be blamed over a Bush, this would not be discussed.

On a final note, if you were independent or honest, I think there would be people in this thread backing you up.

Oh, please, I know my ways do not attract much of a public fanclub. in over 25yrs of posting on forums that has been true.

Posters I disagree with politically, like Dave and KC, would agree that I am at least an honest guy. There is nobody in this thread that would say that about you. We don't need all 17 intelligence agencies to confirm that you are a propaganda-shoveling liberal hack of the worst kind. There’s a reason for that.

[/quote]

I really don't care. Here's the truth...back when Dean was on the forum, he and I went back and forth on a lot of different things, and were at each others throats often. At the end, I had his respect and we both let go of all the past crap. So, yes, I speak my mind...and I will say it regardless of what anybody else thinks - here, or in the media, or in congress or the White House, or the courts. That's ME, I don't give a damn about my public persona.

So, yeah, if you want to be an ass and take one post where I was called on a point I was making and couldn't back it up, and then conceded and dropped the subject and quit pushing the point, and use that as some kinda proof of my character, that's fine. If you want to take other posts out of context and apply meaning to them that was not there at the time and use that to try to define my character, that's fine. If you want to apply some kinda cooking cutter to define my opinion, even though I am on record as COMPLETELY disagreeing with it, that's fine.

It's fine because it proves much more about your character than it defines mine.

[Memorex]

"Yep....and if Russia had not been involved, I still don't think Trump would have won."

Riight monker. It had nothing to do with her lying under oath, destroying evidence, That she did illegal things she had to hide, her attitude, the fact she never denied any of it, that she was stupid enough to run an illegal server in the first place, ect. Was it Russia's fault Obama kicked her ass the first time? Selective liberal memory.

I think what Monker means is that since it was the Russian that allegedly hacked Podesta and the DNC, it was only because of them that we were able to see some of the realities of Hillary rather than just her public statements. We could see the disdain they had for Bernie supporters, the methods of cheating via media coordination, etc. I think Monker's position is that if not for this alleged Russian involvement, Hillary would have been better at hiding these things. So by no fault of her own, the public was able to see the truth.

I think Monker's position is also that it's an unfair playing field because equal "dirt" was not released on Trump, even though they did play old recordings and he had 97% negative coverage in the press. Now Wikileaks did say that there was information they obtained on Trump, but none of it was newsworthy.

So to recap, if not for the Russians, Hillary may have been able to hide some of the true feelings and nature of the campaign. Therefore, she would have had a better chance.

[JBlake]

Hey it's Earth Day. Remember what they told us in 1970?

https://ricochet.com/424431/13-ridiculo ... -day-1970/

This reminds me of a friend I had back in 1991. He was ranting about how the planet was beyond repair and that we had only 10 to 15 years left before all resources would run out and pollution would kill us all. 1991 was 26 years ago, and nothing really at all has changed about the planet.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yep....and if Russia had not been involved, I still don't think Trump would have won.

There are those on the Right who still cling to the belief that ACORN and the Black Panthers swung the election for Obama. Makes about as much sense. The 2016 election has resulted in a great political alignment where it’s now the Democrats who are frothing at the mouth for war and babbling about conspiracy theories.

Yeah, and Assange denies he has anything against Clinton. The guy lies almost as much as Trump does.

Even if he did. Would it matter? I’m sure Ellsberg hated Nixon. Who cares?

Dude, it's the INTERNET. The NSA intercepts and stores EVERY electronic communication made. You are talking from a place of complete ignorance if you believe they need some server to tell them about Russia hacking.

First it was “Dude, it’s the INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES.” Now it’s “Dude, it’s the INTERNET.” You really love your infallible almighty magic totems, don’t you? Rather than employ common sense and documented facts you defer to false gods. Cyber security experts like Jeffrey Carr and John McAfee would say you have no clue what you are talking about.

If you believe this is the only evidence the NSA has, again, complete ignorance...and you are very naïve.

More obsequious bootlicking of the incompetent government. It took a vigilant McDonalds drive-thru worker to spot the Facebook killer, but the government can monitor everything, right? You would have us believe that the NSA sat on smoking gun Russian collusion evidence and allowed the election to go forward and is biding their time until when....?

When you start GUESSING agendas, you are in the realm of Breit Bart and conspiracy theories...it's the very definition.

First off, I didn’t mention Breitbart. I mentioned Stephen Cohen, probably the world’s foremost expert on Russia. And secondly, American foreign policy agendas are never publicized, so of course they require guesswork from a cynical, war-weary citizenry. Many Americans guessed Bush’s Iraq War agenda before it happened. They were later vindicated by the release of memos like Downing Street or the Project for the New American Century.

If I were you, I'd be more worried about Trump starting a war with North Korea than inventing agendas about Russia.

So it’s perfectly OK for you to start "guessing" agendas about North Korea? Ah I see.

If you want to see fake news, go back and read FF And KC spreading stories about the pizzeria, or Kellyann Conway kneeling on the couch wasn't really Kellyann Conway, or almost every other thing they find spammed in their Email box that they spread to this forum. THAT is fake news...not me commenting in this forum.

But did they say that Hillary had permission to use a private server?

We were not "bombing Russians". We bombed an airport Assad used to launch a chemical weapon attack. Russians were not the target.

Because Russian personnel was told to get the hell out of the way. A move that Democratic warmongers like you then criticized or cited as further proof of Trump-Russian ties.

Oh, please, I know my ways do not attract much of a public fanclub. in over 25yrs of posting on forums that has been true.

“My ways” = being a lying Democratic shill.

Here's the truth...back when Dean was on the forum, he and I went back and forth on a lot of different things, and were at each others throats often. At the end, I had his respect and we both let go of all the past crap. So, yes, I speak my mind...and I will say it regardless of what anybody else thinks - here, or in the media, or in congress or the White House, or the courts. That's ME, I don't give a damn about my public persona.

I talked with Dean on AOL Instant Messenger (yes it was that long ago) almost nightly. During the height of Tapegate I even helped write several of his posts on here. Don’t sleazily invoke his memory to back you up. How gross. Dean was known to change his opinion quite frequently on a number of things. This means nothing.

So, yeah, if you want to be an ass and take one post where I was called on a point I was making and couldn't back it up, and then conceded and dropped the subject and quit pushing the point, and use that as some kinda proof of my character, that's fine. If you want to take other posts out of context and apply meaning to them that was not there at the time and use that to try to define my character, that's fine. If you want to apply some kinda cooking cutter to define my opinion, even though I am on record as COMPLETELY disagreeing with it, that's fine.

It’s not one post. It’s part of a larger pattern. You have as much evidence of Hillary having permission to break the law as you do that Russians hacked the election. You unquestioningly repeat talking points. And when questioned, you hide behind the illusory authority of the government. Or cite the omnipresent power of the internet. It's the equivalent of being on the Oxford debating society, and constantly answering with "I know it's true because the government says so!"

[The_Noble_Cause]

Was it Russia's fault Obama kicked her ass the first time? Selective liberal memory.

Her negatives were too high for her to ever win. She was damaged goods. Only the most die-hard liberal sheep, like Monker, thought she was an appealing candidate.

[Monker]

The 2016 election has resulted in a great political alignment where it’s now the Democrats who are frothing at the mouth for war and babbling about conspiracy theories.

You're just wrong. The only person who seems to want war is Donald Trump wanting war with North Korea.

Yeah, and Assange denies he has anything against Clinton. The guy lies almost as much as Trump does.

Even if he did. Would it matter? I’m sure Ellsberg hated Nixon. Who cares?

Me, I care. I'm not going to read a bunch of crap on WikiLeaks when I know it is one-sided crap politically motivated against Clinton.

Dude, it's the INTERNET. The NSA intercepts and stores EVERY electronic communication made. You are talking from a place of complete ignorance if you believe they need some server to tell them about Russia hacking.

First it was “Dude, it’s the INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES.” Now it’s “Dude, it’s the INTERNET.” You really love your infallible almighty magic totems, don’t you? Rather than employ common sense and documented facts you defer to false gods. Cyber security experts like Jeffrey Carr and John McAfee would say you have no clue what you are talking about. [/quote]

Yeah, sure. You are simply in denial about what the NSA really does. Even after reading all the crap the CIA does, and what Snowden revealed. If you don't think the NSA can track from its source to it's destination, and all of the IP routing in between, then you do not understand the capabilities of the NSA.

More obsequious bootlicking of the incompetent government. It took a vigilant McDonalds drive-thru worker to spot the Facebook killer, but the government can monitor everything, right? You would have us believe that the NSA sat on smoking gun Russian collusion evidence and allowed the election to go forward and is biding their time until when....?

Until their investigation is over. There is no need to satisfy the demands of peons like you any sooner.

When you start GUESSING agendas, you are in the realm of Breit Bart and conspiracy theories...it's the very definition.

First off, I didn’t mention Breitbart. I mentioned Stephen Cohen, probably the world’s foremost expert on Russia. And secondly, American foreign policy agendas are never publicized, so of course they require guesswork from a cynical, war-weary citizenry. Many Americans guessed Bush’s Iraq War agenda before it happened. They were later vindicated by the release of memos like Downing Street or the Project for the New American Century.

It's all conspiracy theory. You basically admitted it above.

So it’s perfectly OK for you to start "guessing" agendas about North Korea? Ah I see.

I didn't "guess" that Trump sent an "armada" of navy vessels to North Korea. He is ESCELATING the tensions there.

If you want to see fake news, go back and read FF And KC spreading stories about the pizzeria, or Kellyann Conway kneeling on the couch wasn't really Kellyann Conway, or almost every other thing they find spammed in their Email box that they spread to this forum. THAT is fake news...not me commenting in this forum.

But did they say that Hillary had permission to use a private server?[/quote]

No, they accused her of sex trafficking minors instead.

We were not "bombing Russians". We bombed an airport Assad used to launch a chemical weapon attack. Russians were not the target.

Because Russian personnel was told to get the hell out of the way. A move that Democratic warmongers like you then criticized or cited as further proof of Trump-Russian ties.

I said it was hypocritical of him to do this after he critiqued Obama for doing THE EXACT SAME THING....dropping leaflets to warn oil tank drivers to abandon their vehicles because they were about to be bombed.

In each case they had a hard target: an airfield, oil tankers. In each case they tried to limit collateral damage.

Here's the truth...back when Dean was on the forum, he and I went back and forth on a lot of different things, and were at each others throats often. At the end, I had his respect and we both let go of all the past crap. So, yes, I speak my mind...and I will say it regardless of what anybody else thinks - here, or in the media, or in congress or the White House, or the courts. That's ME, I don't give a damn about my public persona.

I talked with Dean on AOL Instant Messenger (yes it was that long ago) almost nightly. During the height of Tapegate I even helped write several of his posts on here. Don’t sleazily invoke his memory to back you up. How gross. Dean was known to change his opinion quite frequently on a number of things. This means nothing. [/quote]

I'll invoke whatever I want to. I always have, and always will.

The point it, with Dean, I didn't give a damn what he or his minions thought of me, I was not going to make Steve Augeri the scapegoat for what was a BAND issue. I was not going to allow Neal Schon to be an innocent bystander who knew nothing about what was going on in his own band. If Kevin Elson knew, EVERYBODY knew. It was me who said Journey was all about money and if it meant continuing the cash flow, they would use anybody and throw anybody under the bus...and that included Steve Augeri....and eventually Dean knew that the band used him as part of that.

If I believe I am right, I'll fight and argue my point until the end, regardless of who it is against.

So, yeah, if you want to be an ass and take one post where I was called on a point I was making and couldn't back it up, and then conceded and dropped the subject and quit pushing the point, and use that as some kinda proof of my character, that's fine. If you want to take other posts out of context and apply meaning to them that was not there at the time and use that to try to define my character, that's fine. If you want to apply some kinda cooking cutter to define my opinion, even though I am on record as COMPLETELY disagreeing with it, that's fine.

It’s not one post. [/quote]

Well, there you go lying again. If you READ what I said above, the one post was just one example of many.

It’s part of a larger pattern. You have as much evidence of Hillary having permission to break the law as you do that Russians hacked the election.

Lying again, Hillary didn't break the law.

You unquestioningly repeat talking points.

It's funny, I'd like to see a timestamp of when I posted a "talking point" and a timestamp of when it became a "talking point". I'd just like to see how much the DNC is reading my posts.

And when questioned, you hide behind the illusory authority of the government. Or cite the omnipresent power of the internet.

What the hell is "the power of the internet?" The internet itself has no power.

It's the equivalent of being on the Oxford debating society, and constantly answering with "I know it's true because the government says so!"

So what? You're allowed to have the opinion that the Russian thing is all bunk, and I'm allowed to have the opinion that there is a lot more there than we know about.

[Boomchild]

"What? We got ICBM's from the 70's? Hold my beer".

https://www.yahoo.com/news/air-force-la ... 49958.html

Interesting. I question the shape our nuclear arsenal is in. I remember reading that it needs some serious updating to keep it functional. In fact I read that they have had to rob parts from one system to keep another functional.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You're just wrong. The only person who seems to want war is Donald Trump wanting war with North Korea.

Riiight. Going back on our promise to Gorbachev not to expand NATO into the Baltic states isn’t provocative? We’ve put missiles and thousands of soldiers right on the border of Poland – not inflammatory? Training and arming rebels to overthrow Russia’s main ally, isn’t stirring the hornet’s nest? Like I said, the more you post, the more you flaunt your ignorance. You’re either not following the news OR the news you follow (i.e. Rachel Maddow) is pure dogshit.

Me, I care. I'm not going to read a bunch of crap on WikiLeaks when I know it is one-sided crap politically motivated against Clinton.

Wikileaks can only publish what they get leaked. If you have hacked Trump’s server and would like to send Assange those emails, go for it. You have no proof whatsoever that Wiki revelations on matters like Iraq War and torture, was aimed to harm Clinton. Nonsense.

Yeah, sure. You are simply in denial about what the NSA really does. Even after reading all the crap the CIA does, and what Snowden revealed. If you don't think the NSA can track from its source to it's destination, and all of the IP routing in between, then you do not understand the capabilities of the NSA.

More magical thinking. If this were true, the convictions should be happening any day now, right? Keep chasing that rainbow.

Until their investigation is over. There is no need to satisfy the demands of peons like you any sooner.

To borrow a phrase from you, maybe Trump had “permission” to collude with the Russians?

It's all conspiracy theory. You basically admitted it above.

The Iraq War is a conspiracy theory? That’s odd, because I lived through it and various politicians, including Tony Blair, have apologized for it. You now need to rewrite the history of Iraq because the Democrats have become the new Neocons. Here’s a conspiracy for you… Putin forced Hillary not to campaign in Wisconsin, stole the primary from Bernie, hacked voting booths, and somehow altered the will of American voters. Putin's a busy man.

I didn't "guess" that Trump sent an "armada" of navy vessels to North Korea. He is ESCELATING the tensions there.

Ah, so navy vessels in North Korea qualifies as “escalating tensions” and "starting a war" but US/NATO troops, and weaponry sent to Poland, Baltic States, Romania etc does not? Interesting. Tell me more. You are clearly so very well informed.

Lying again, Hillary didn't break the law.

Riiight. And OJ was framed. Or maybe the real killer of Nicole Brown also forced Hillary to email classified information? Comey’s statement was as damning as a judge’s gavel hitting the block. He pretty much said she was guilty. Ever hear of the Federal Records Act? How about the NDA? What about lying to the FBI? At the very least, the private server is an attempted end-run around the Freedom of Information Act. Government transparency used to be a big deal for Democrats. Now they love corruption and wars.

What the hell is "the power of the internet?" The internet itself has no power.

May want to read your own quotes (see below)

“Dude, it's the INTERNET.”

So what? You're allowed to have the opinion that the Russian thing is all bunk, and I'm allowed to have the opinion that there is a lot more there than we know about.

You’re entitled to your own informed opinion. But you’re not informed. The ODNI report on Russia hacking blamed Russia Today for programming that wasn’t even on the air. The cyber security firm that was hired by the DNC had to walk back their initial accusations of Russia hacking. The FBI was stonewalled and blocked from even examining the hacked servers. The establishment and military industrial complex was blaming Russia for Hillary’s loss even before a single “Im with Her” bumper sticker had been scrapped from a Prius. The Washington Post is putting out pure propaganda with stories like the one about Russia hacking Vermont's power grid - a story that was later completely debunked. One of many examples of anti-Russia warmongering going on in the major US media. This whole thing stinks and is the most obvious con job since the Iraq War.

[Boomchild]

President of Austria, talks of a future day when all women will be asked to wear a headscarf. Yep, that's diversity and tolerance for you. Western leaders are such cucks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxrSYO9N7AY

[tj]

"What? We got ICBM's from the 70's? Hold my beer".

https://www.yahoo.com/news/air-force-la ... 49958.html

My home is within 8 miles of 4 old ICBM silos. There were 14 in a semicircular pattern around my county. They have all been deactivated, and one guy two miles down the road now has a ranch where one was. I have asphalt on the driveway next to my barn that was surplus from when the Air Force contractors were putting in the nearest silo. The main external water line to the same silo runs under 120 acres that my grandad used to own and farm wheat in. It's a little creepy to think that it was that close at one point, but no one then seemed to worry.

[Monker]

"What? We got ICBM's from the 70's? Hold my beer".

https://www.yahoo.com/news/air-force-la ... 49958.html

My home is within 8 miles of 4 old ICBM silos. There were 14 in a semicircular pattern around my county. They have all been deactivated, and one guy two miles down the road now has a ranch where one was. I have asphalt on the driveway next to my barn that was surplus from when the Air Force contractors were putting in the nearest silo. The main external water line to the same silo runs under 120 acres that my grandad used to own and farm wheat in. It's a little creepy to think that it was that close at one point, but no one then seemed to worry.

Yep. We shut ours down while other countries lied.

Not really. ICBM's are old technology and out dated. Do you not believe there are advantages to a stealth bomber?

And, since TNC likes to think I'm in Dreamland, the stealth fighter and bomber were developed in black budgets in the 1970's - 80's. Just imagine what we have right now that you don't know about. ICBM's? please, how 1950's of you.

[tj]

Yep. We shut ours down while other countries lied.

Not really. ICBM's are old technology and out dated. Do you not believe there are advantages to a stealth bomber?

And, since TNC likes to think I'm in Dreamland, the stealth fighter and bomber were developed in black budgets in the 1970's - 80's. Just imagine what we have right now that you don't know about. ICBM's? please, how 1950's of you.

For more than 50 years, ICBMs have been a part of the nuclear triad. ICBMs, Air Force bombers and nuclear submarines. The submarines provide the most stealth because they could be anywhere.

Obviously, ICBMs in silos are pretty easy targets, but with our early warning technology, will be well on their way to nuking someone else before anything incoming arrives. The MX missle was considered for a mobile railroad platform in the late 70s, but they chose to keep them in silos. I believe that one of the ICBM treaties with the USSR/Russia outlawed rail platforms, though that may have been changed since it was ratified.

Bombers, and cruise missiles launched from ships, can send nuclear tipped warheads to just about anywhere in the world -within a certain distance of launch.