Monker wrote: The movies relate to the comic books in the same way the movies relate to a novel. They are two different mediums, two different audeinces, and a smart writer would treat the two as separate entities and not rely on the comic book versions to dictate what can and can't be done in the movie.
So, giving a history of WW and blah, blah, blah, doesn't really matter for her first movie in the DCEU. By the very definition of "DCEU", this is a different universe. It has a different audience and a different medium.
Bro, I understand that and is common sense. Every audience is essentially different, I'm not arguing that but a property is still a property with a targeted audience and most of that is comic book in relation to these characters that still makes them a genre in comic book movies or else they wouldn't be labeled as such. Christopher Nolan was the most recent director that tried to stray away from the stigma of comic book and cinema where he wanted to have his own thing. Fact is, the movies and comic books keep a close eye on what the other does and each medium adjusts accordingly. There's certain rules and marketing technique's movie studio's and the comic book industry abides by and they interlock with one another eventually, which is why Superman is drawn like Henry Cavill in most recent issues or why the MCU has made its way into the comic book canon in some form or fashion whether Iron Man now has the personality of Robert Downey JR and is drawn as such or Superman having many DCEU traits in his suit or dialogue. The two mediums exists on a different plain but yet, boost business in the same entertainment realm where the two strategically benefit from one another.
So, going for a traditional hero story IS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.
There's no right or wrong way to do anything, especially art and film is art.
Just as it was the RIGHT WAY TO DO IT for EVERY phase 1 hero in the MCU, and those that came later like Doctor Strange, Ant-Man, and now Spiderman and later Captain Marvel.
What you describe is a stale, cardboard and predictable formula where the MCU brand is going to be in MAJOR need of changing soon because the DCEU is about to find their niche, which is going to force Marvel to not put out movies like Doctor Strange and Ant-Man where they are almost immediately forgotten because they are essentially fill-in brand films that rides coattails. Successful, but hallow and forgotten. Spider-Man: HC looks like total ass-stain and Captain Marvel will somehow turn comedic like Thor as I'm sure the GoTG Universe will come in and dumb things down to the point of dropped IQ's. Literally.
No, I would like you to recognize the FACT that DC's success with WW will be due to following the same hero patter that Marvel has follow from the beginning. And, it is hypocritical of you to praise DC while you critique Marvel when they are doing the EXACT SAME THING.
Bro, at the end of the day, there's only so many ways you can technically make a movie, especially CBM's. That said, there's a huge difference between application between Marvel and DC. If you can't see that by now then you're the type that only argues about something because you like hearing sound of your own voice. Though, this doesn't surprise me because you'rank in the elite by making assumptions about things that you haven't even seen.There's more to film-making and splicing together a movie than following the same "hero patter", whatever the hell that means. You're chugging the Marvel Koolaid so hard that when you do regurgitate and spray all over yourself, turn away because I don't want it becoming contagious, ya hear?
Yep! Because WW is using an incredibly "cookie cutter" style - the very approach you critique Marvel for.
BRAINWASHED. This Wonder Woman isn't cookie cutter. Not even close. In fact, Gal Gadot just openly PRAISED director Patty Jenkins for not being pressured into making Wonder Woman a quipping bore. If what you say is true then there would have been no reason for Jenkins to leave Marvel and jump ship. She did so because she simply wanted to do something that Marvel didn't allow her to do. The two studio's do NOT approach their films in the same manor.
That is because what V is saying about GotG2 is exaggerated bullshit.
Just because you disagree and hate the fact that somebody criticizes a MCU film doesn't mean they're wrong. It's v's opinion and he has a right to that opinion. I know it's crazy for somebody to say something harsh about a Marvel film and I know those that do will all go to hell someday but..just deal with it.
Nope! You are just wrong.
Are you Billy Madison in disguise?
Oh, please. She's a demi-god herself. In her movie, she receives gifts in the braceletts. She goes on a mini-quest to get her sword and shield, which are also blessed by the Gods. She is ultimately fighting a god herself. This story IS Perseus.
You continue to make irrelevant, non-points just because.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Doesn't surprise me.
No, it's not any different. You want to believe that. Other DC fans and critics of Marvel want to believe that. But, it is a flat out lie to say that Wonder Woman is not following the heroe's Journey in a cookie cutter way, very precise, actually.
Bro, you're the one that keeps bringing this up. Nobody ever said Wonder Woman isn't following the hero's journey. The hero's journey isn't the problem I've had with recent Marvel films, as they've used their formula and comedic nausea to water down those beats that usually stick out to begin with. They're becoming lazy and complacent with their application. You're getting your own arguments confused and trying to pass it off as gospel when you're only arguing to yourself.
It is DC's attempt at telling a hero story in the same way that Marvel has done from IM1.
The CBM genre has existed before 2008. As I said, there's only a few ways to make these films. Most follow the same beats, but it's the parts that are filled in that make a film, a film. The application and vision makes all the difference into making a movie. From the directors, to creative, to costume to editing. It all plays its part and is what separates from the skeleton of a "hero's journey" script. The script and the screen-writing is one thing. The filming and direction/motives/decisions make each film unique. Marvel and DC, at the end of the day, are CBM's. The more they put out, the more it'll be seen that certain scripts aren't that much different in these films. It's the approach, tone and overall setting that makes it feel different. All plays a part. Marvel is a cardboard brand riding their own coattails. The DCEU will be much more versatile when all said and done, especially with Wan's Aquaman!
That is EXACTLY the type of 'humor' that all of the WW trailers have shown.
What is the trailer? 2 minutes tops? The difference is, DC films will have the humor scattered here and there. It WON'T be overboard and used as some sort of technique to trick the audience that they're having fun. Marvel's 2 hour+ movies are 1990's Pop Up Video's. DC uses humor in trailers, but the humor will be evenly distributed and not shoved down your throat with nothing to wash it down. I posted how a critic described the humor in Wonder Woman. Doesn't surprise me you decided to skip over it.
First of all, a comic book hero is still a hero. IT'S THE SAME STORY.
You're boring me. Moving on.
