Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Journey needs to make a new album that sounds exactly like it was recorded in 1979.

This is an interesting topic. Trying to think how many of the post-Perry era have a 70's Evolution-era vibe. Off the top of my head.....She's a Mystery, Like a Sunshower.

[The_Noble_Cause]

TNC, I'm pretty much with you... however, I am taking the approach of "It's Jon. He's talking about God. I'm not interested in Jon's views on God. I'm not that into this phase of his career, so I will change the channel.". The guy's earned his right to do what he wants and to use the fame he has acquired to promote his album and Jesus' new album. If you just take it as 'new music' that's also something we can do. But... I'd much rather not be preached at while I'm trying to get into something.

Take George Harrison - he didn't ram it down people's throats. He would tell anyone that asked about his faith. He definitely put it into his music (and for the most part let that do the talking). He didn't constantly go on about it. I don't have a problem with Jon's faith (I DO have a problem with his politics, but that's another story). When people get 'Born Again' they have a tendency to go extremely overboard. I realize Jon's excited about this. But I will choose to 'turn the Jon Channel' when it gets to be overwhelming. Doesn't mean I don't like God. Doesn't mean I don't like Jon. It means (to me) that "Jon, this is your personal journey (bazang!). Glad you're happy. I'm just not that interested as I've heard it from people all my life and I'm good and have made up my mind. Love ya man. Hope you're still in Journey".

At the very least, Cain should no longer be giving press interviews to promote the band. Have Schon, Ross, Smitty etc. do it. Even when Schon would mention solo stuff he would talk up stuff with Journey.

[brywool]

At the very least, Cain should no longer be giving press interviews to promote the band. Have Schon, Ross, Smitty etc. do it. Even when Schon would mention solo stuff he would talk up stuff with Journey.

He's still a Journey member so I think he should still be allowed to give interviews about them. The weirdness though is "Is it a Jonathan Cain of Journey", "Jonathan Cain of Jesus", or "Jonathan Cain" interview? If I was Neal, I'd be a bit annoyed if an interview meant to focus on Journey was derailed into focusing on Jon's solo/Jesus thing. ON THE OTHER HAND, there were a lot of times where Neal, excited about his projects, derailed things into making the interview about The Vortex. So I get both and all issues these guys are having. What do u do?

[The_Noble_Cause]

He's still a Journey member so I think he should still be allowed to give interviews about them. The weirdness though is "Is it a Jonathan Cain of Journey", "Jonathan Cain of Jesus", or "Jonathan Cain" interview? If I was Neal, I'd be a bit annoyed if an interview meant to focus on Journey was derailed into focusing on Jon's solo/Jesus thing. ON THE OTHER HAND, there were a lot of times where Neal, excited about his projects, derailed things into making the interview about The Vortex. So I get both and all issues these guys are having. What do u do?

Yea, but I think promoting Vortex/solo instrumental stuff is different than religious music or pushing politics. He's hurting the brand.

[brywool]

Yea, but I think promoting Vortex/solo instrumental stuff is different than religious music or pushing politics. He's hurting the brand.

TNC, personally, I don't think ANY band should promote their other band(s) while on another band's dime/time. Unless they cross (play a dual show or something-as Vortex did), I really don't think that's cool other than their own personal spots (facebook) and I understand why. It's just a matter of class. Just seems kind of rude to me. HOWEVER, these guys are also being interviewed all the time and if an interviewer asks what they're working on, what do they say "I can't talk about it?".

Believe it or not, I'm with ya. I HATE that Cain's wife has ANYTHING do do with the current admin (WTF does religion have to do with politics? and WTF does this current 'leader' have to do with God? Nothing is the answer to both.) and the fact that he's gone whole hog into the church thing is grating to me. But maybe it's helping him. It certainly helped Deen and Jon was a part of that. I thought it was very cool that Jon reached out to Deen when he was at his lowest (and trust me, what he did really angered me at the time) and helped him put his life back on track. That's a good thing. BUT I can't get behind mega churches. Never will. And the fact that they stick their nose in the political game while not paying taxes really doesn't sit well with me- and by association, Jon is a part of that.

[The_Noble_Cause]

TNC, personally, I don't think ANY band should promote their other band(s) while on another band's dime/time. Unless they cross (play a dual show or something-as Vortex did), I really don't think that's cool other than their own personal spots (facebook) and I understand why. It's just a matter of class. Just seems kind of rude to me. HOWEVER, these guys are also being interviewed all the time and if an interviewer asks what they're working on, what do they say "I can't talk about it?".

Believe it or not, I'm with ya. I HATE that Cain's wife has ANYTHING do do with the current admin (WTF does religion have to do with politics? and WTF does this current 'leader' have to do with God? Nothing is the answer to both.) and the fact that he's gone whole hog into the church thing is grating to me. But maybe it's helping him. It certainly helped Deen and Jon was a part of that. I thought it was very cool that Jon reached out to Deen when he was at his lowest (and trust me, what he did really angered me at the time) and helped him put his life back on track. That's a good thing. BUT I can't get behind mega churches. Never will. And the fact that they stick their nose in the political game while not paying taxes really doesn't sit well with me- and by association, Jon is a part of that.

Agree on both points.

[slucero]

Creeflo Dollar.

[perryfan61]

I agree that Jon should keep his religious beliefs separate from Journey. I consider myself to be a very religious person, but I don't talk about it at work ( unless I'm asked). I also agree that religion and politics should never mix, and both should have no part of the Journey brand.

Hopefully Jon will get better at separating them all, and give the rest of us a break from his unflagging religious zeal, which I find, as was said, grating. I'm glad he's found something in his life that he needed, but just wish he would leave his fans out of it. If we're interested, we'll let him know, otherwise just stick to Journey related topics when being interviewed about the band. He has other forums that he can, and does, use to talk about his faith, which his fans can look at, or avoid, if they choose.

[Memorex]

Personally, I have not seen any overreach by Jon at all. Here's why. I'm not hearing anything about this stuff coming from Journey concerts or embedded in Journey's music. And that's all Jon has a responsibility to when it comes to Journey. In my opinion he's kept up his end of the bargain - as far as fans go.

What he says on HIS Facebook page and HIS videos is entirely up to him. There are many singers I like that talk a lot of shit that I don't. So guess what, I don't listen to them talk. If an album is full of something I don't want to hear, and it's not so good that it overcomes that issue, I don't listen.

Jonathan has found God. I for one support his right to do so and his right to walk away from God if he chooses. BUT - if you believe in God and if you believe in the word of God and you want to walk right with the Lord, than you probably understand that much of what God wants is for people to spread the word. If you want to be Christian, but you don't want to spread the word, don't accuse someone who does of all these negative things you all have said about Jon. Jon's relationship with God is his business. If he wants to praise God every minute of the day he should be allowed to without criticism. We may not want to sit around and listen to it, and guess what, no one has to. If I go to a Journey show tonight, I guarantee you I am not going to hear anymore about God than I would at a standard rock show. And if I listen to the last 10 Journey albums, there will be no more about God than average. So why the hell should I care what Jon says on his time?

What I'm finding all of this to sound like is that you guys hate "bible thumpers" and are between a bit intolerant and downright judgmental. Of someone you don't even know on a personal level. That bothers me.

Will I buy Jon's latest album - no. Why? Number one, I don't care for his singing. Number two, I don't listen to worship music. But do I begrudge the man his right to sing God's praises to the rooftop? Hell no. Sing it brother. If that's what makes him happy and complete as a person. WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I CARE?

Now, as far as his and Neal's beef? I have no idea. Neal only likes to give half sentences and one-sided comments. Which is a bullshit thing to do in the first place. Maybe Neal has a right to be bothered by something. Let's say Jon's religion is getting in the way of the band making another album. No way I think that's true, but let's say it is. Then Neal has a right to be upset. That's his business partner. And Neal will have to figure out what's best for himself and Journey fans. And fans could have a right to feel bummed that they are not putting out new music. But no one has a right to be upset at Jonathan for doing what's in his heart. That's all I'm saying. Let the man serve God if he wants. How someone can be judged for that the way you guys are judging him is weird. It's way fucking weird.

Also can someone fill me in where he was supposed to be talking about Journey and instead talked about himself and God and his solo album. I looked and looked and saw nothing. The video that the other guys were in was a Jon Cain video and the bandmates were being supportive. Not a thing wrong with that. We all should take Valory's approach. Happy for him.

[The_Noble_Cause]

What he says on HIS Facebook page and HIS videos is entirely up to him.

Not sure if you are actually following this thread. In interviews to promote Journey concerts, Cain is talking about his faith and budding Christian media empire instead. It's not cool.

Also can someone fill me in where he was supposed to be talking about Journey and instead talked about himself and God and his solo album. I looked and looked and saw nothing. The video that the other guys were in was a Jon Cain video and the bandmates were being supportive. Not a thing wrong with that.

Umm, pretty much every time Cain opens his mouth in any Journey-related capacity - minus being on-stage.
Here's one...

http://www.sunherald.com/entertainment/ ... 49309.html

We all should take Valory's approach. Happy for him.

If I cared as little about my job as Ross does about his, I would have been fired long ago. There is a reason why Neal writes the bass parts on albums.

[Memorex]

What he says on HIS Facebook page and HIS videos is entirely up to him.

Not sure if you are actually following this thread. In interviews to promote Journey concerts, Cain is talking about his faith and budding Christian media empire instead. It's not cool.

At the end, I asked about this. I went to the FB link provided and could not see anything. So maybe I am missing something. Can one of you point it out more specifically so I could ave a look? Thanks.

[The_Noble_Cause]

What he says on HIS Facebook page and HIS videos is entirely up to him.

Not sure if you are actually following this thread. In interviews to promote Journey concerts, Cain is talking about his faith and budding Christian media empire instead. It's not cool.

At the end, I asked about this. I went to the FB link provided and could not see anything. So maybe I am missing something. Can one of you point it out more specifically so I could ave a look? Thanks.

Yes, I was adding the most recent link where he does this. Scroll up.

[Memorex]

Yes, I was adding the most recent link where he does this. Scroll up.

The first part of that interview specifically asked him about his solo record. It was directed. Once the interview turned to Journey, there were only two mentions of God that I saw. Which may be no different than Neal or Perry answering the question. About how he moved on after his dad's death - most people attribute faith to those moments - and about the rejuvenation of the band after so many challenges - again something that many people would attribute to faith.

What people need to come to terms with is Jon has put out a Christian solo album and he is married to a prominent Christian figure (for better or worse). Something tells me if I went back to interviews with Neal Schon around the time his now-wife left her then-husband, I might find a few questions and answers about White House dumpster diving and wronged men. Interviews are about current events. When an interviewer asks a Christian to tell them about "their walk of faith", I guarantee you a Christian is going to answer. If you are devout, you do not pass up the opportunity to spread the word.

So unless I see something further, my points stand.

[Memorex]

Scroll up.

Do you guys really have your settings to Scroll Up? Does this mean you have to navigate to the last page every time? My settings are such that the newest entry is at the top, so I scroll down through history. Seems much easier to me.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The first part of that interview specifically asked him about his solo record. It was directed. Once the interview turned to Journey, there were only two mentions of God that I saw. Which may be no different than Neal or Perry answering the question. About how he moved on after his dad's death - most people attribute faith to those moments - and about the rejuvenation of the band after so many challenges - again something that many people would attribute to faith.

What people need to come to terms with is Jon has put out a Christian solo album and he is married to a prominent Christian figure (for better or worse). Something tells me if I went back to interviews with Neal Schon around the time his now-wife left her then-husband, I might find a few questions and answers about White House dumpster diving and wronged men. Interviews are about current events. When an interviewer asks a Christian to tell them about "their walk of faith", I guarantee you a Christian is going to answer. If you are devout, you do not pass up the opportunity to spread the word.

So unless I see something further, my points stand.

The interview was to promote a Journey concert. If I was a casual fan, I would get the impression that the band is now a religious band. Sorry. What he is doing is not OK.

[Memorex]

The first part of that interview specifically asked him about his solo record. It was directed. Once the interview turned to Journey, there were only two mentions of God that I saw. Which may be no different than Neal or Perry answering the question. About how he moved on after his dad's death - most people attribute faith to those moments - and about the rejuvenation of the band after so many challenges - again something that many people would attribute to faith.

What people need to come to terms with is Jon has put out a Christian solo album and he is married to a prominent Christian figure (for better or worse). Something tells me if I went back to interviews with Neal Schon around the time his now-wife left her then-husband, I might find a few questions and answers about White House dumpster diving and wronged men. Interviews are about current events. When an interviewer asks a Christian to tell them about "their walk of faith", I guarantee you a Christian is going to answer. If you are devout, you do not pass up the opportunity to spread the word.

So unless I see something further, my points stand.

The interview was to promote a Journey concert. If I was a casual fan, I would get the impression that the band is now a religious band. Sorry. What he is doing is not OK.

How many Neal interviews from town to town touch on his solo stuff, Santana, etc? It just so happens that in asking Jon about solo stuff, it is not about Vortex Shredding, but about Christianity. What would you have Jon do?

Interviewer: "You released your first album of Christian music last year. Is that something you hope to do again?"

Jon: "Excuse me bitch, this interview needs to remain about Journey, How dare you fucking ask me a question about what else I am up to! I am not Jonathan Cain - I am the keyboard player and writer for the super-relevant rock band Journey! Next question please!"

Interviewer: "Tell me about your walk of faith."

Jon: "There you go again your poor excuse for an interviewer and human. I am deep into my Christianity and it would be wrong to answer that question when this 40+ year old rock band doing the same 12 songs every night is much more important. Get Rekt Bitch!"


My point is, the interviewer asked the questions and shaped the article. How Jon gets blame on that is beyond me?

[Memorex]

By the way - none of my comments should be taken as agreeing with Jon or not as far as his religion. What I do believe is that every human has an absolute right to believe in their faith and talk about it publicly if they so choose.

Jon talked about Steve bringing a bible to the TBF sessions, insinuating that it was a source of inspiration and material. No one batted an eye at that. I support all of it. Not because I believe one way or another, but because I support their independence.

[brywool]

Regarding Jon's overreach...

That's a good point. While I am not into Jon's religious talks and music, I have not really seen what Neal is complaining about. If Jon wants to talk about it, and if Neal's talking about his stuff, then I don't see it as that different. So FOR ME I could do without all the rah rah God stuff. But I don't know what Neal's issue is and I don't see Jon hurting Journey in the press.

I should've clarified that.

[Onestepper]

Honestly from what I've seen, Schon seems more upset about Cain not wanting to write new music, and for apparently trying to take credit solely for songs written by all three of them (NS, SP and JC). The religious stuff seems to be secondary from what I've seen.

[Memorex]

Honestly from what I've seen, Schon seems more upset about Cain not wanting to write new music, and for apparently trying to take credit solely for songs written by all three of them (NS, SP and JC). The religious stuff seems to be secondary from what I've seen.

I think Neal has a good point on the new music stuff. Although I imagine he could kiss that goodbye for now. But that whole thing of Jon trying to write Neal out was pretty lame to me. Jon and Steve wrote the lyrics and I think Jon was talking about the lyrical content and the inspiration behind it.

[brywool]

Honestly from what I've seen, Schon seems more upset about Cain not wanting to write new music, and for apparently trying to take credit solely for songs written by all three of them (NS, SP and JC). The religious stuff seems to be secondary from what I've seen.

I think Neal has a good point on the new music stuff. Although I imagine he could kiss that goodbye for now. But that whole thing of Jon trying to write Neal out was pretty lame to me. Jon and Steve wrote the lyrics and I think Jon was talking about the lyrical content and the inspiration behind it.

Exactly.
I think that if Neal wants Journey to do new music, he should get together with Arnel.If Jon doesn't want to write, fine. But when it's time for the band to record the songs, Jon needs to be there. If he decides he's not going to play on it, well, there you go. He needs to be done. Jon obviously needs a break. Neal has his foot on the gas and it seems like Arnel would like to see it go on. Arnel had a few great English tracks on his newish solo CD. They weren't exactly like Journey, but that's why Neal needs to be involved - they were still good tracks. Had Neal been there, they could've been Journey tracks. 2 of them would sit well on a Journey album. SO... explore that. If Jon and Ross don't want to play, call it something else or replace them. I'm sure Deen would also welcome working with Neal and Arnel if Steve Smith doesn't want to go down that road. DON'T call it JRNY.

[Gideon]

Update: Jon just shared a video by Paula recapping the Louisville show to pictures and footage from the concert set to "Stone In Love." Lots of photos of Jon and everyone, virtually none of Neal.

[Memorex]

Update: Jon just shared a video by Paula recapping the Louisville show to pictures and footage from the concert set to "Stone In Love." Lots of photos of Jon and everyone, virtually none of Neal.

Petty. Either do something for the fans or don't.

[bellairepark73]

Update: Jon just shared a video by Paula recapping the Louisville show to pictures and footage from the concert set to "Stone In Love." Lots of photos of Jon and everyone, virtually none of Neal.

Their both doing that (Neal and Jon). That ain't new. Well...maybe new from Jon's side but I wouldn't know because I don't follow Jon. And yeah I agree with Perryfan and Memorex except that Neal said it was deeper than religion or politics. And I believe the following link is why:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7QHQWH8v5fk
Does this lady know exactly what is going on? No but since she is following and knows Paula White's history more intimately, this is the factor that might have Neal highly angry.

[slucero]

Well there's no doubt from Jon's interviews that he believes God has lit a new fire under his ass... and his new wife is a pastor, so that's only going to intensify Cains religious fervor... fuel to the fire...


I see a change in Journey's future...

[bellairepark73]

Well there's no doubt from Jon's interviews that he believes God has lit a new fire under his ass... and his new wife is a pastor, so that's only going to intensify Cains religious fervor... fuel to the fire...


I see a change in Journey's future...

Me too. But maybe it is really becoming a real brick and mortar problem: http://www.journeyboise.com
And...the slogan IS...wait for it...Don't Stop Believing...

[annie89509]

Neal is such an immature guy … never grown up, behaviorally. For years, he dogged at SP at every turn. Now he holds Steve in the highest regard, and it is Jon that is ruining the band. Haven’t we seen this movie before?

Reading all the stuff that’s been posted/linked, no surprise majority of fans side with Neal, and that’s exactly how he likes it.

Or, just maybe, things were a little dull, too many good feelings after RnRHOF, the band starts something spicy to get the fanbase riled up. Who knows?

[bellairepark73]

Neal is such an immature guy … never grown up, behaviorally. For years, he dogged at SP at every turn. Now he holds Steve in the highest regard, and it is Jon that is ruining the band. Haven’t we seen this movie before?

Reading all the stuff that’s been posted/linked, no surprise majority of fans side with Neal, and that’s exactly how he likes it.

Or, just maybe, things were a little dull, too many good feelings after RnRHOF, the band starts something spicy to get the fanbase riled up. Who knows?

Yeah, this movie plot has been run. Maybe that's why there hasn't been any coffee date scheduled yet. I am disappointed that most of the fans are siding with Neal, but like you said, not unexpected. Except...this time...it might be a valid thing. Paula White, Cain's wife, might be the problem. Might. There is a YouTube posting that seems to suggest that. But as far as bad publicity is good publicity...wow, what a way to go...down in flames. But this time, it might be for real, it seems that is no reconciliation. Hang on people; its gonna be a bumpy ride.

[Journey/Survivor]

Or, just maybe, things were a little dull, too many good feelings after RnRHOF, the band starts something spicy to get the fanbase riled up. Who knows?

Very strong possibility!

[Journey/Survivor]

Neal is such an immature guy … never grown up, behaviorally. For years, he dogged at SP at every turn.

I'm not saying this/asking this in an argumentative way!

But I honestly feel that that claim, and it's been made by many people, is a major exaggeration.
I'm not saying that Neal has never taken shots at Perry. But I don't feel that he really "dogged" Perry that much.