Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Neal is narcissistic, paranoid and delusional. It's gone WAAAAY past being amusing, he needs to stay away from Twitter for awhile.....but he seems addicted to it. Good thing I'm not, I ignore his tweets these days.

Agreed. Embarrassing.

[Archetype]

Someone commented that Neal should fire Jonathan Cain. Neal expressed agreement. So do it Neal, fire him, or admit that's Journey isn't "your" band as much as you like to say it is.

[ebake02]

I agree with Neal's beef but he's acting like a spoiled teenager, this is getting ridiculous.

[Memorex]

I agree with Neal's beef but he's acting like a spoiled teenager, this is getting ridiculous.

You agree that members of a band should not go on a white house tour simply because they are in a band? That's weird.

[bellairepark73]

Someone commented that Neal should fire Jonathan Cain. Neal expressed agreement. So do it Neal, fire him, or admit that's Journey isn't "your" band as much as you like to say it is.

I agree with you Archetype. If it's his band, as he likes to say and think, then FIRE them already! But...he can't because...it's not his band. It's his baby, but not "his" band. I don't think its ever been "his" band. First it was Herbie's built AROUND Neal's guitar, then as Steve took more of a leadership role, it became his for the better part of 10 years not including the hiatus between ROR and TBF (Steve talked to THEM and they agreed to let Journey go unplugged) and then back to Irving. He can't just fire Cain because as we were reminded here on this forum, Journey is a corporation that has voting members, And IF the majority don't vote nay, then Cain...wait for it...stays. And so does Ross and Arnel, who also went to the WH tour. Which by the way, is very cool and they got a VIP tour. Awesome. And now, Neal if firing against Arnel and Arnel is FINALLY showing some backbone and PUSHING BACK with his reply!!!

[slucero]

I'm pretty sure from a legal perspective, the Journey band members with votes are:

Schon and Cain.

Not sure about Ross.

Arnel and Smitty are hired hands.

[slucero]

Since the tour is over... and they are going on hiatus... if I'm Neal..

During the 2 years off:

1. I sue for the name of the band. Cain has no claim to being a "founder"... (Ross may)... but take the time away from the media to get the legal crap done.

2. Fire Arnel. He's done anyways.

3. Go do some solo stuff.. do that blues album with Waite.. guest on some other stuff.. tear it up.

4. Re-kindle that relationship with Perry... have that "cup of coffee".... maybe guest on Perry's CD...

[Memorex]

Since the tour is over... and they are going on hiatus... if I'm Neal..

During the 2 years off:

1. I sue for the name of the band. Cain has no claim to being a "founder"... (Ross may)... but take the time away from the media to get the legal crap done.

2. Fire Arnel. He's done anyways.

3. Go do some solo stuff.. do that blues album with Waite.. guest on some other stuff.. tear it up.

4. Re-kindle that relationship with Perry... have that "cup of coffee".... maybe guest on Perry's CD...

If Steve Perry had a right to the name, then Cain has at least that and maybe more. The dude is co-writer of every song since he joined. He's partially responsible for their biggest hits. He's undoubtedly made business decisions with the band that likely involved his own money and risk. Legally, my guess is he has ZERO fewer rights than Neal.

[Archetype]

Since the tour is over... and they are going on hiatus... if I'm Neal..

During the 2 years off:

1. I sue for the name of the band. Cain has no claim to being a "founder"... (Ross may)... but take the time away from the media to get the legal crap done.

2. Fire Arnel. He's done anyways.

3. Go do some solo stuff.. do that blues album with Waite.. guest on some other stuff.. tear it up.

4. Re-kindle that relationship with Perry... have that "cup of coffee".... maybe guest on Perry's CD...

Firing Arnel would be a media nightmare for the band. They ran his rags to riches story for so long that firing him would make Neal look like a monster.

[jrnyman28]

Seems Neal has backed off of Twitter some. Maybe because the tour is done and the need for attention for Journey is reduced?

[Memorex]

Seems Neal has backed off of Twitter some. Maybe because the tour is done and the need for attention for Journey is reduced?

Hopefully he reads this thread and realizes that even those that agree that Jon is holding things back don't appreciate his style of fighting.

[Greg]

Seems Neal has backed off of Twitter some. Maybe because the tour is done and the need for attention for Journey is reduced?

Hopefully he reads this thread and realizes that even those that agree that Jon is holding things back don't appreciate his style of fighting.

Nope. He's back on Twitter being active as ever. Never thought about the bad publicity that would surround Journey if they cut Arnel Pineda go. I think Cain is just fine letting Schon go and tour as Journey so as long as the checks keep rolling in. I'm sure Cain has good business sense and probably has Schon over the barrel when the proverbial split happens.

[tater1977]

Neal Schon lashes out after Journey members' White House appearance

Steve Spears

Thursday, August 3, 2017

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/80s/neal- ... ce/2332493

Oh boy, the wheels in the sky keep on turning. Journey founder and guitarist Neal Schon is not at all happy to learn that a few of the band’s members visited the White House recently.

Keyboardist Jonathan Cain and his wife Paula White-Cain (who is called the “spiritual adviser” to Donald Trump) along with lead singer Arnel Pineda and bassist Ross Valory were spotted taking a tour of the White House by the press in late July. A photo of the band members posing with Trump have also appeared online.

Schon expressed his opinion on it early Thursday morning on Facebook: “I will remain strong and consistent with the belief we've always shared and agreed upon - Journey should never be used and exploited by anyone, especially band members for politics or any one religion.”

He continued: “I’ve been here since 1972 and this has always been our belief. This was with intent to exploit the brand and use the name. Journey was not there - 3 individual members were. Tours are done all the time but it could have been privately.”

“The members who attended know my position and the way we've always been until now. Steve Perry, myself and the rest have always agreed the music we created is for Everyone. … I had no prior knowledge of this from anyone. Not band members or management. This clearly shows no respect or unity, just divide.”

Schon and Cain have been feuding for months, according to reports. The arguments are over the band’s musical direction and Cain’s solo career in faith music. Cain’s marriage to Paula White, a minister who delivered the invocation at Trump’s inauguration, has also been a flash point.

Could this all mean that Schon might choose to dump Cain and Pineda in favor of a reunion with Steve Perry and keyboardist Gregg Rolie? That’s what a lot of observers are asking. Stay tuned.

[Art Vandelay]

With all the craziness going on today politically, whether it's what Trump did or didn't do, I never would have guessed he would have been partially responsible for breaking up Journey.

The Party's Over.

[Archetype]

The funny thing is that I wouldn't have even known that those 3 visited the White House if Neal hadn't been throwing a days long twitter tantrum about it, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The funny thing is that I wouldn't have even known that those 3 visited the White House if Neal hadn't been throwing a days long twitter tantrum about it, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Same here.

[Hollywood]

These are my two cents. This is totally out of control and appears to be really all coming from Neal.
Jonathan has never used his faith overtly within the context of Journey in public. It only has come out in interviews when he is asked about it. Remember when Neal took his relationship all over the news and talk shows? Why was that okay and not this? The White House thing came about because of Paula White-Cain not the band. They were tag-a-longs with her. There was no conspiracy with these guys and they shouldn't have to ask permission on their personal time. I am no fan of the current White House situation, but I would have not thought twice about the invitation. That is not me endorsing anyone or any action it would be about going to the White House and all that comes with it. It would be an honor to be there.

I have no inside information from within Journey. Just observations. I did however hang out with the guys is Asia in June and asked about how the tour was going. I was not fishing and it was a very casual situation. They could not have said nicer things about the band and the crew. I specifically asked what it was like to be around Neal, as I am a huge fan and would love to just talk music with the guy, and they said Neal was a nice guy and it was amazing to see him onstage, but they said off stage he was always with his wife. This can also be seen with the pictures Asia put up on their FB. Many pictures and videos hanging out with Journey. Backstage and out at bars and restaurants and 4 Journey guys are there. No Neal Schon. It seems like Neal and his wife have isolated themselves. There could be a reason for that, but his wild accusations of hacking and people being against him just looks insane.

There are pictures of all the Journey guys and wives hanging out with no Neal. It has never been like this in the past. Maybe Michaele and Paula don't get along and it's causing friction, but this is way beyond that and has gotten way out of control. Neal is convinced that management is trying to take him out and on Cain's side. None of that makes sense at all. Management is about what is best for the band to keep cashing checks. Management's cut goes down with all this bullshit. If they replaced Neal revenue would drop a lot. If they dropped the 4 other guys revenue would drop significantly. If this bullshit doesn't stop revenue will go down. None of this is good for management. The only way I see that makes sense is if management is pushing back on Neal because of his behavior and wild accusations. Or his wife causing problems and they asked him to keep her off tour. Nothing else makes sense.

His accusations are looking foolish with people cutting his head of pictures and the stuff with the YouTube guy Real Music Observer. He is convinced this guy is a Paula White plant. The guy has been doing this a while and although I find him incredibly boring he has the right to his opinion. And he often lingers on a subject too long. Last year he talked about Chicago non-stop. I only watched one of his videos and now Youtube keeps sending all of his new ones as suggestions. These are just bands he is into. He was a radio DJ and a fan. That's it.

There is no way this ends well for anyone.

[The_Noble_Cause]

These are my two cents. This is totally out of control and appears to be really all coming from Neal.
Jonathan has never used his faith overtly within the context of Journey in public. It only has come out in interviews when he is asked about it. Remember when Neal took his relationship all over the news and talk shows? Why was that okay and not this? The White House thing came about because of Paula White-Cain not the band. They were tag-a-longs with her. The was no conspiracy with these guys and they shouldn't have to ask permission on their personal time. I am no fan of the current White House situation, but I would have not thought twice about the invitation. That is not me endorsing anyone or any action it would be about going to the White House and all that comes with it. It would be an honor to be there.

I have no inside information from within Journey. Just observations. I did however hang out with the guys is Asia in June and asked about how the tour was going. I was not fishing and it was a very casual situation. They could not have said nicer things about the band and the crew. I specifically asked what it was like to be around Neal, as I am a huge fan and would love to just talk music with the guy, and they said Neal was a nice guy and it was amazing to see him onstage, but they said off stage he was always with his wife. This can also be seen with the pictures Asia put up on their FB. Many pictures and videos hanging out with Journey. Backstage and out at bars and restaurants and 4 Journey guys are there. No Neal Schon. It seems like Neal and his wife have isolated themselves. There could be a reason for that, but his wild accusations of hacking and people being against him just looks insane.

There are pictures of all the Journey guys and wives hanging out with no Neal. It has never been like this in the past. Maybe Michaele and Paula don't get along and it's causing friction, but this is way beyond that and has gotten way out of control. Neal is convinced that management is trying to take him out and on Cain's side. None of that makes sense at all. Management is about what is best for the band to keep cashing checks. Management's cut goes down with all this bullshit. If they replaced Neal revenue would drop a lot. If they dropped the 4 other guys revenue would drop significantly. If this bullshit doesn't stop revenue will go down. None of this is good for management. The only way I see that makes sense is if management is pushing back on Neal because of his behavior and wild accusations. Or his wife causing problems and they asked him to keep her off tour. Nothing else makes sense.

His accusations are looking foolish with people cutting his head of pictures and the stuff with the YouTube guy Real Music Observer. He is convinced this guy is a Paula White plant. The guy has been doing this a while and although I find him incredibly boring he has the right to his opinion. And he often lingers on a subject too long. Last year he talked about Chicago non-stop. I only watched one of his videos and now Youtube keeps sending all of his new ones as suggestions. These are just bands he is into. He was a radio DJ and a fan. That's it.

There is no way this ends well for anyone.

Good analysis. I agree with everything written here. Remember when Neal did a pay-per-view service of his wedding? Or went on Entertainment Tonight with his wife? I think Salahi thought she would be getting all the attention and now Paula and John are getting it.

[steveo777]

Neal has been blocking fans and deleting their comments on FB. That's a great way to generate future revenue. NOT!
The drama is putting the fan base through things they don't need to be going through. While I agree with Neal, I disagree with the way he's handling it, in a very public manner. This shit should be being settled in house. If he thinks he's gonna dump everyone and go build a new Journey around himself, I think it's delusional to think there will be even a fraction of the success they've been having. I keep hearing bring back Perry, bring back Rolie, Dunsbar, etc. They're old men and the music won't sound right, IMO.

[ebake02]

This would all fade into the background and go away if Neal would keep his fucking mouth shut. Besides, Journey played the republican national convention 5 years ago and banked $500K doing it. Neal seems to have selective memory loss...

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... n-20120827

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnclarke ... 6dbc983bf9

[steveo777]

Unfortunately, one of the fans Neal blocked is a friend of AP's and a pretty big wheel in the Filipino fan community. They are not happy! I saw her comments and there was nothing in them that should offend anyone, except Neal's ego. This is gonna reach far, and all for what? Sad!

[ebake02]

Unfortunately, one of the fans Neal blocked is a friend of AP's and a pretty big wheel in the Filipino fan community. They are not happy! I saw her comments and there was nothing in them that should offend anyone, except Neal's ego. This is gonna reach far, and all for what? Sad!

Neal is going to find out pretty quick that Journey isn't as much "his band" as he thinks it is, if Arnel gets sick of this shit and leaves then Journey dies in the aftermath.

[steveo777]

Unfortunately, one of the fans Neal blocked is a friend of AP's and a pretty big wheel in the Filipino fan community. They are not happy! I saw her comments and there was nothing in them that should offend anyone, except Neal's ego. This is gonna reach far, and all for what? Sad!

Neal is going to find out pretty quick that Journey isn't as much "his band" as he thinks it is, if Arnel gets sick of this shit and leaves then Journey dies in the aftermath.

Reading between the lines, I think there are 3-4 positions open in Neal's band. I think he's gonna jettison everyone. He's meeting with lawyers tomorrow and I'm sure it's to check contracts of members.

[Archetype]

Unfortunately, one of the fans Neal blocked is a friend of AP's and a pretty big wheel in the Filipino fan community. They are not happy! I saw her comments and there was nothing in them that should offend anyone, except Neal's ego. This is gonna reach far, and all for what? Sad!

Neal is going to find out pretty quick that Journey isn't as much "his band" as he thinks it is, if Arnel gets sick of this shit and leaves then Journey dies in the aftermath.

Reading between the lines, I think there are 3-4 positions open in Neal's band. I think he's gonna jettison everyone. He's meeting with lawyers tomorrow and I'm sure it's to check contracts of members.

This could get interesting. Would likely result in two groups forming like Styx and Dennis DeYoung and the Music of Styx.

[tj]

These are my two cents. This is totally out of control and appears to be really all coming from Neal.
Jonathan has never used his faith overtly within the context of Journey in public. It only has come out in interviews when he is asked about it. Remember when Neal took his relationship all over the news and talk shows? Why was that okay and not this? The White House thing came about because of Paula White-Cain not the band. They were tag-a-longs with her. The was no conspiracy with these guys and they shouldn't have to ask permission on their personal time. I am no fan of the current White House situation, but I would have not thought twice about the invitation. That is not me endorsing anyone or any action it would be about going to the White House and all that comes with it. It would be an honor to be there.

I have no inside information from within Journey. Just observations. I did however hang out with the guys is Asia in June and asked about how the tour was going. I was not fishing and it was a very casual situation. They could not have said nicer things about the band and the crew. I specifically asked what it was like to be around Neal, as I am a huge fan and would love to just talk music with the guy, and they said Neal was a nice guy and it was amazing to see him onstage, but they said off stage he was always with his wife. This can also be seen with the pictures Asia put up on their FB. Many pictures and videos hanging out with Journey. Backstage and out at bars and restaurants and 4 Journey guys are there. No Neal Schon. It seems like Neal and his wife have isolated themselves. There could be a reason for that, but his wild accusations of hacking and people being against him just looks insane.

There are pictures of all the Journey guys and wives hanging out with no Neal. It has never been like this in the past. Maybe Michaele and Paula don't get along and it's causing friction, but this is way beyond that and has gotten way out of control. Neal is convinced that management is trying to take him out and on Cain's side. None of that makes sense at all. Management is about what is best for the band to keep cashing checks. Management's cut goes down with all this bullshit. If they replaced Neal revenue would drop a lot. If they dropped the 4 other guys revenue would drop significantly. If this bullshit doesn't stop revenue will go down. None of this is good for management. The only way I see that makes sense is if management is pushing back on Neal because of his behavior and wild accusations. Or his wife causing problems and they asked him to keep her off tour. Nothing else makes sense.

His accusations are looking foolish with people cutting his head of pictures and the stuff with the YouTube guy Real Music Observer. He is convinced this guy is a Paula White plant. The guy has been doing this a while and although I find him incredibly boring he has the right to his opinion. And he often lingers on a subject too long. Last year he talked about Chicago non-stop. I only watched one of his videos and now Youtube keeps sending all of his new ones as suggestions. These are just bands he is into. He was a radio DJ and a fan. That's it.

There is no way this ends well for anyone.

Good analysis. I agree with everything written here. Remember when Neal did a pay-per-view service of his wedding? Or went on Entertainment Tonight with his wife? I think Salahi thought she would be getting all the attention and now Paula and John are getting it.

I wonder how many people watched the PPV of his wedding. Probably less than watch Dating Naked on VH1. This whole affair reminds me of a story about a band I once heard about and woman named Yoko.

[Hollywood]

Neal has been blocking fans and deleting their comments on FB. That's a great way to generate future revenue. NOT!
The drama is putting the fan base through things they don't need to be going through. While I agree with Neal, I disagree with the way he's handling it, in a very public manner. This shit should be being settled in house. If he thinks he's gonna dump everyone and go build a new Journey around himself, I think it's delusional to think there will be even a fraction of the success they've been having. I keep hearing bring back Perry, bring back Rolie, Dunsbar, etc. They're old men and the music won't sound right, IMO.

I don't see how anyone could agree with Neal at this point. I do agree with his premise, Journey is about inclusion. Not about one religion or about politics.

In reality none of this is happening. Cain isn't using Journey to promote his faith or exclude anyone. If anything he has talked less about it. Before when he would talk about the service men he would always talk about God's protection and he doesn't say that anymore.

Neal is upset about the White House visit. Although he was fine playing the Republican National Committee for the cash.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Neal has been tweeting on a rampage non-stop all night. I see him and his wife holed up in their hotel, snorting lines, and checking under their bed every 5 minutes for Paula White-sent "hackers." Reminds me of coked-out James Woods and Sharon Stone in the movie, Casino. No wonder the band is plotting to tour without him. What a joke.

[tater1977]

NEAL SCHON MUSIC‏Verified account @NealSchonMusic · 1h1 hour ago
Want to sincerely thank you all for your comments and time as I feel this is cutting to the chase and will save us all a lot in legal fees


NEAL SCHON MUSIC‏Verified account @NealSchonMusic
And now about that audit fellas ... it's coming soon


NEAL SCHON MUSIC‏Verified account @NealSchonMusic · 3h3 hours ago
Yes and the reason the Santana Journey shows didn't go down the way I and fans wanted is they voted for Gregg not to b able to come & jam

[bellairepark73]

Neal has been tweeting on a rampage non-stop all night. I see him and his wife holed up in their hotel, snorting lines, and checking under their bed every 5 minutes for Paula White-sent "hackers." Reminds me of coked-out James Woods and Sharon Stone in the movie, Casino. No wonder the band is plotting to tour without him. What a joke.

Maybe its back to his old bad habits again. In 2008 he finally admitted to being a alcoholic and drug addict. Remember what Steve said, "some things have changed...some things haven't. "

[bellairepark73]

Unfortunately, one of the fans Neal blocked is a friend of AP's and a pretty big wheel in the Filipino fan community. They are not happy! I saw her comments and there was nothing in them that should offend anyone, except Neal's ego. This is gonna reach far, and all for what? Sad!

Uh oh Neal. Crash and burn and kiss that 2018 Def Leopard tour goodbye.