DC Extended Universe THREAD

[RedWingFan]

What kind of loser would spend all that time to write a 30 minute read on this subject? Unbelievable.

It only takes YOU one half-hour to read it.

Christopher Pierznik
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May 11 - 30 min read

Now continue telling us how superior DC's cinematic universe is.

[Monker]

https://medium.com/@cherrynghh/the-controversial-martha-leitmotif-in-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-58f02c5035c4

Oh, geez. I only read the first paragraph. I do not need an essay on why "Martha" was a good scene, why it makes sense, why it is over critiqued, why it is given too much attention, etc. The bottom line is all of those explanations should have been answered IN THE MOVIE in a way that audiences would not have felt a need to ask...not after the fact explanations by Snyder and DC fans. It is a sign of everything that is bad about the movie. I still think Nostalgia Critic gave the perfect review for the movie, and hit about every topic dead on. The entire movie is bad writing and planning, and setup for JL.

Nostalgia Critic/Angry Joe review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbPi8liw-zI

THINK for one moment. BvS is a movie that EVERYBODY agrees EVERYBODY has been waiting to see. This should have been as big as Infinity War. It could have been every bit as epic. Instead, it is a mediocre piece of shit.

The best idea would not have been to let Snyder finish and flush the toilet. The fix would have been to give the series to someone else from the start.

[YoungJRNYfan]

https://medium.com/@pierzy/the-brilliance-of-zack-snyders-dc-universe-6e650caaf6dc

If they’d let Snyder finish the job, we’d have ended up with another polarizing film with a clear identity, instead of this freakish personality-free hybrid. Then, when the film disappointed at the box office Snyder could have taken the fall and the DC Extended Universe could be handed over to someone else. Because when I watched Justice League, I wasn’t thinking about how Snyder screwed this up. I was thinking that the execs at Warner Bros. have no idea what they’re doing. Not if they think Justice League is a movie anyone wants to ever sit through again.

I only skimmed this, but I agree they should have let Snyder tell the story. JL is a campy Schumacher-esque train wreck.

Atleast Shumacher's movies knew what it wanted to be. JL was a dead fetus that came out of the womb not even the baby's daddy but instead, a genetic abortion. WB pulled the plug. Looking forward to the re-brand. I'm just happy Hamada wants to move forward instead of rebooting. There's so much to salvage and as messed up as it sounds, DC can still recover. Wan's Aquaman is going to be good if the studio doesn't skull fuck its post production and Shazam is going to intertwine the Shazam/Superman/Black Adam/Magic universe, which could be fresh for all parties. Wonder Woman 2 starts filming very soon. The only thing really left up in the air is the whole Affleck bullshit and debacle. Either commit or GTFO, Ben. For realz.

[verslibre]

Amazing how stuff continues to come out re: Justice League, like the big Parademon gun visible in the first trailer, which subsequently got opaqued by all the red cotton candy gunk in Whedon's cut.

https://twitter.com/John_D_Reviews/status/997627269823782912

[verslibre]

The best idea would not have been to let Snyder finish and flush the toilet. The fix would have been to give the series to someone else from the start.

Sure. And Whedon should have never directed Age of Ultron. And Feige should have never ordered the third Captain America 3 movie to be turned into an unofficial and very overrated Avengers movie. And the third act of Black Panther shouldn't be a formulaic mess, and Boseman shouldn't have had every scene stolen from him by the other actors.

But you can't turn back time.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Sure. And Whedon should have never directed Age of Ultron. And Feige should have never ordered the third Captain America 3 movie to be turned into an unofficial and very overrated Avengers movie. And the third act of Black Panther shouldn't be a formulaic mess, and Boseman shouldn't have had every scene stolen from him by the other actors.

But you can't turn back time.

None of these slight missteps even compare to the cosmic dumpster fire that is JL and the Snyderverse.

[verslibre]

Sure. And Whedon should have never directed Age of Ultron. And Feige should have never ordered the third Captain America 3 movie to be turned into an unofficial and very overrated Avengers movie. And the third act of Black Panther shouldn't be a formulaic mess, and Boseman shouldn't have had every scene stolen from him by the other actors.

But you can't turn back time.

None of these slight missteps even compare to the cosmic dumpster fire that is JL and the Snyderverse.

They aren't slight missteps. I don't look exclusively to box office grosses to rule which movies are better and best. Boseman's performance isn't much better than Hayden Christensen's Manakin. Civil War's narrative is one big contrivance and its so-called great villain is a guy who gets by literally on dumb luck. Age of Ultron proved Whedon to be the one trick pony he is.

Yeah, JL IS a Frankenstein patchwork, i.e. a mess. But not because of Snyder. What he wanted to do and what the studio decided they wanted after the fact are night and day.

[verslibre]

Killer new pic of Knightmare Batman (Richard Cetrone, Batfleck's stunt double), posted by Zack on his Vero feed.

[The_Noble_Cause]

They aren't slight missteps.

Marvel took a bunch of b-list superheroes (rocket racoon, Thor, Dr. Strange, Ant Man etc) and made them the most profitable franchise in the world. DC, on the other hand, took the most famous superheroes in existence and made them b-listers. The whole thing is quite amusing.

[verslibre]

Nope. In spite of what you want to believe, and box office receipts (or lack thereof), Batman, Superman and especially Wonder Woman have not been relegated to the B-list. One movie does not undo decades of accomplishments.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Nope. In spite of what you want to believe, and box office receipts (or lack thereof), Batman, Superman and especially Wonder Woman have not been relegated to the B-list. One movie does not undo decades of accomplishments.

This thread wasn't started to appreciate "decades of accomplishments." It was started to discuss the DC cinematic universe. Right now it's damaged goods. They were handed a license to print money and they fucked it up. Like I said, it's comical.

[verslibre]

Nope. In spite of what you want to believe, and box office receipts (or lack thereof), Batman, Superman and especially Wonder Woman have not been relegated to the B-list. One movie does not undo decades of accomplishments.

This thread wasn't started to appreciate "decades of accomplishments." It was started to discuss the DC cinematic universe. Right now it's damaged goods. They were handed a license to print money and they fucked it up. Like I said, it's comical.

You just did this in the Cain thread in the Journey forum. This thread is for the purpose of discussion, DC films specifically, and it's not necessarily limited to the DCEU. i.e. 2013-forward. Feel free to contribute to the Marvel thread. I don't see any love for Deadpool 2 in there.

[YoungJRNYfan]

They aren't slight missteps.

Marvel took a bunch of b-list superheroes (rocket racoon, Thor, Dr. Strange, Ant Man etc) and made them the most profitable franchise in the world. DC, on the other hand, took the most famous superheroes in existence and made them b-listers. The whole thing is quite amusing.

Taking B-C list characters and having the luxury of building a brand over a 15+ film journey did the Marvel Studio wonders. The audience had no clue about these characters so the margin for error and missteps were that much more forgivable and acceptable. There was no prior comparison to compare to and expectations expanded as the MCU did.

Movies like Cap and Thor didn't set the BO on fire, but they weren't expected to. Instead, each movie built the Avengers brand.

Superman and Batman? The most iconic superhero's in the world who had multiple reboots (with one beloved Trilogy passing the billion threshold) movies, shows and pop cultural awareness are expected to do huge business due to namesake alone and when they don't hit that barameter, fans aren't so forgiving because expectations are so high. There's much more to lose and less room for trial and error.

WB/DC just got to rebuild good-will with the audience. The only way to do that is to build hype, make good films that do the characters justice and hope they are critically accepted and the rest will follow. The Snyderverse is the prime example of thinking of wanting one thing but changing your mind in the middle of it. Having a clear cut vision from here on out will reconcile a damaged brand that still has the goods: iconic characters.

[verslibre]

^Exactly. It's all wrought by expectation. If the GA were comprised of readers, everyone would have lost their shit over Man of Steel and BvS and made those movies billion dollar totems. But since you've got all these "film critics" and armchair bloggers who aren't versed in the nuances of the characters as set forth by Miller, Morrison, Bates, Millar, and yes, even that $&%@! Johns, and all they know are the Donner/Lester/Singer/Burton/Schumacher movies, along with BatWest and Wonder Carter, the shit hit the fan in lieu of.

I wonder why everyone isn't losing their shit over Boseman's largely inexpressive turn as Black Panther. Every other actor took that guy to school in that movie. But he's impressed audiences before. What happened? Did the director take the Lucas approach with him? "Not that way, that way." "Do it louder."

[The_Noble_Cause]

You just did this in the Cain thread in the Journey forum.

Did what? No idea what you're talking about....

It's telling that you want to bring up "decades of accomplishments" because the current DC cinematic universe is nothing to brag about. But if you look back at the start of this thread, it was all about the cinematic universe being the 2nd coming.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Yeah, the thread was started to talk about the DC Cinematic Universe but it's basically the all things DC thread. We've talked about comics in here, shows, happenings, events, Cons, the past, etc.

The DCEU wasn't thought of to be the second coming. It was highly known that with a director like Snyder at the helm that the DCEU was going to be against the grain, dark, grounded and divisive. I always welcomed that if the films were meant to be epic in scale no matter if it meant being in the alternative minority.

Snyder is close with his fans on Vero and has been answering questions. There's no telling if his JL was going to be a divisive success at the BO, but it WOULD have been big in scale and that was ripped out from underneath the fans that actually cared. Instead, WB gave us a throwaway film that alienated an entire fanbase instead of half. It is what it is.

Looking forward to Wans Aquaman, Sandberg's Shazam and whatever rebrand is in store.

[verslibre]

You just did this in the Cain thread in the Journey forum.

Did what? No idea what you're talking about....

BOC, remember?

It's telling that you want to bring up "decades of accomplishments" because the current DC cinematic universe is nothing to brag about. But if you look back at the start of this thread, it was all about the cinematic universe being the 2nd coming.

I bring it up because Marvel Studios is a relative newcomer. This year marked 10 years in the filmmaking arena for them. Before that, Fox and Sony were using IPs Marvel sold off in their 1990s bankruptcy fire sale. The first movie was Blade.

Either way you color it, WB is responsible for the modern CBM era whch began in 1978, 40 years ago. Superman was a milestone that lifted superhero cinema out of the swamp of camp. Batman was an event film with people lining up for it like a new Star Wars movie.

Superman Returns fizzled and Green Lantern evaporated. Man of Steel was the origin-reboot we needed. BvS was one of the most hyped films ever and defied ocean-size blogger-slung hatred to bring huge returns to the studio (and it's liked a lot more overseas). Suicide Squad tanked critically but was still a hit with the GA. Wonder Woman exceeded expectations. JL bit it hard because the studio didn't follow through with a vision they green-lit in 2011: to be the alternative.

Matt Reeves is going to produce a set of new solo Batman films wisely distanced wisely from the last trilogy. For people whose bag is levity, Aquaman and Shazam! will fit the bill. Wonder Woman 2 is about to start filming. Things are rolling. Flashpoint is back to being Flash. Rumors of a new Superman solo movie are beginning to stir.

DC's three most famous, most iconic characters remain intact.

[The_Noble_Cause]

BOC, remember?

It's you who keeps moving benchmarks around. You mock current Journey for low album sales. But when it comes to DC Snyder turds or Blue Oyster Cult, you start throwing around terms like "prestige" and "accomplishments." It's a cop out.

I bring it up because Marvel Studios is a relative newcomer. This year marked 10 years in the filmmaking arena for them. Before that, Fox and Sony were using IPs Marvel sold off in their 1990s bankruptcy fire sale. The first movie was Blade.

Either way you color it, WB is responsible for the modern CBM era whch began in 1978, 40 years ago. Superman was a milestone that lifted superhero cinema out of the swamp of camp. Batman was an event film with people lining up for it like a new Star Wars movie.

Superman Returns fizzled and Green Lantern evaporated. Man of Steel was the origin-reboot we needed. BvS was one of the most hyped films ever and defied ocean-size blogger-slung hatred to bring huge returns to the studio (and it's liked a lot more overseas). Suicide Squad tanked critically but was still a hit with the GA. Wonder Woman exceeded expectations. JL bit it hard because the studio didn't follow through with a vision they green-lit in 2011: to be the alternative.

Matt Reeves is going to produce a set of new solo Batman films wisely distanced wisely from the last trilogy. For people whose bag is levity, Aquaman and Shazam! will fit the bill. Wonder Woman 2 is about to start filming. Things are rolling. Flashpoint is back to being Flash. Rumors of a new Superman solo movie are beginning to stir.

DC's three most famous, most iconic characters remain intact.

Blah blah blah. Donner's Superman film and Burton's Batman have nothing to do with the DC dumpster fire being discussed.

[verslibre]

Blah blah blah. Donner's Superman film and Burton's Batman have nothing to do with the DC dumpster fire being discussed.

The one that grossed 3.1 billion with just its first four films? That's one helluva bonfire.

[YoungJRNYfan]

DC/WB is fine and will bring in the moola. A fresh slate and a good string of films will change the perception. The Snyderverse had its vision ripped apart but MoS, BvS, Squad and WW still brought in huge bucks and in many ways, changed the "scoop" game forever. Label disappointing BO receipts all you want, they still brought in cash flow to the studio, enough to salvage and a cast to move forward with. The only outright failure was JL but judging by behind the scenes fiasco's and the final product..the studio knew that beforehand anyhow. They still have a lineup on its way. One that will be built up upon.

[verslibre]

Yep, the Flash movie will happen.

https://twitter.com/BatmanNewsCom/status/998741425859809281

[YoungJRNYfan]

Good to see Clemons still attached to Flash as West! With the whole JL debacle, she was potentially out as Iris so glad to see the casting still onboard. All good signs.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The one that grossed 3.1 billion with just its first four films? That's one helluva bonfire.

Black Panther made more in a few days than the entire US theatrical run of Justice League. So, yeh, it's pretty much a shit show.

[verslibre]

Beat that Justice League horse. Rigor has yet to set in.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Beat that Justice League horse. Rigor has yet to set in.

Oh, it's not just JL. With the exception of WW, every film so far has been something of a turd.

[verslibre]

Beat that Justice League horse. Rigor has yet to set in.

Oh, it's not just JL. With the exception of WW, every film so far has been something of a turd.

Good thing they continue to merit discussion, then.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Beat that Justice League horse. Rigor has yet to set in.

Oh, it's not just JL. With the exception of WW, every film so far has been something of a turd.

Good thing they continue to merit discussion, then.

Bad movies usually DO inspire more heated discussion than good ones.

[verslibre]

Hence the ongoing debate. I mean, I know a guy who loves to defend The Phantom Menace. I know another guy who loves to defend Iron Man 3. On down the Yellow Brick Road, with gilded turds for all.

[verslibre]

Wonder Woman 2 Gives Gal Gadot's Diana Prince a New Costume

Gal Gadot is getting a new costume in Wonder Woman 2. Amid the controversial films the unofficially titled DC Extended Universe has produced over the last few years, the lone exception has been Wonder Woman. Gadot starred in the film following a scene-stealing role in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. Under the guidance of Patty Jenkins, they were able to turn the solo movie into the franchise's best movie thus far.

The first movie's success gave the studio the confidence to move up the time table for the sequel, with a release date already slated for next November. Wonder Woman 2 moves Diana's story up a few decades, but they're still keeping her solo adventures ahead of the team-up films. Diana will now get involved in the Cold War where she'll cross paths with Kristen Wiig's Cheetah. Whatever enemies she comes face to face with next, she'll do so in some brand new garb.

Warner Bros. took part at the 2018 Licensing Expo in Las Vegas today and presented some new information on Wonder Woman 2 in the process. As shared by Daniel Eliesen, who was in attendance, WB showed off concept art for the sequel. Since it's a licensing show, no photos were allowed to be taken, but Eliesen provided a description of what he saw, saying: "Cheetah was literally a tease image based on what they want it to look like. Hard to explain but probably what you think, for WW it’s a battle gear, pretty cool."

Studios routinely switch up the costumes in these types of movies because it allows them to create and sell new merchandise, while also giving their characters a sense of development beyond their stories. With that in mind, Diana was extremely likely to receive some alterations to her costume in Wonder Woman 2, but it is now confirmed. The description of it being similar to battle gear only further shows that the god-killer will be facing even tougher foes this time around. Thanks to the backdrop of the '80s, Diana is sure to get involved in the Cold War, and it may not hurt to have a bit of extra protection when facing off against Cheetah.

The one aspect of this that could be the most intriguing is what happens to the battle gear after the sequel. The costume she wore in the 1910s, in Wonder Woman, is the exact same one she wears in both BvS and Justice League decades later. If Diana does receive this battle gear in the sequel, then it will be interesting to see how they explain where it goes or why she hasn't used it since. With the expo set to continue the rest of the week, perhaps WB will release the design in the coming days or wait until San Diego Comic-Con to show it off. Jenkins did say that Wonder Woman 2 production starts soon, fans could get the first look at Diana's new costume courtesy of some set photos.

https://screenrant.com/wonder-woman-2-costume-gal-gadot/

[YoungJRNYfan]

The one that grossed 3.1 billion with just its first four films? That's one helluva bonfire.

Black Panther made more in a few days than the entire US theatrical run of Justice League. So, yeh, it's pretty much a shit show.

It cracks me up when someone tries to undermine JL or DC by talking about Marvel's B characters and never once realizing you're really undermining those same characters that are apart of the MCU brand. It's a nice spit in the face to Marvel lol. But whatever it takes to cut DC down. Good stuff. WB/DC has had it the worst you can ever have it with critical reception yet, still made the studio bank and had garnered much attraction and attention. Just imagine if DC starts hitting consistently. Best thing about it is how it'll help the whole genre explode even more-so and that won't make the James Cameron's of the world too happy.