They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[Monker]

Is his stance on student debt the same as Warrens? ( get the taxpayers to cover the loans
they signed for) he will have alot of support as he did before.

I believe Bernie wants to eliminate student debt via a financial transaction tax - which we should have in this country anyway.

Increase taxes to pay for student loans. Increase taxes to pay for Medicare for all. Sounds like a really good follow up to Walter Mondale to me.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Increase taxes to pay for student loans.

A tax that would largely impact hedge funds and speculators. Who cares?

Increase taxes to pay for Medicare for all.

Under the current system, we already pay more than other countries and have shittier outcomes.

Sounds like a really good follow up to Walter Mondale to me.

You thought Hillary was a shoo-in. So what do you know about electability anyway?

[The_Noble_Cause]

And, instead of commenting on what YOU QUOTED, you go back to some conversation from YEARS ago and ask me to comment on it. Perhaps you should comment on the FACT that you don't own this forum and have no real influence over it whatsoever, that it is insulting when you take the directives of the forum owner and try to debate them, that when the forum is told to not post links for articles on conservative nutjob sites and people ignore that directive that they deserve to be banned.

As previously documented, the only person on here who thinks he is a moderator is YOU.

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Fine, post it to the correct forum. That has NOTHING to do with Donald Jackass Trump and his presidency.

Hey, Andrew, maybe you can change some of these other links, too. ConservativeTreeHouse can be: ConservativeShitHouse, for example.

Andrew, can you maybe limit the size of posts? it's going to get a bit ridiculous here if everybody starts pasting entire articles.

Hey Andrew, maybe you can just ban anybody with K.C. in their nick.

Andrew, BTW, here is how you change the max post length...about halfway down, it shows the setting

IMO, he should axe all the forums, not just this thread.

maybe Andrew should kill the entire MR site and just use FB and Twitter? Hmm.

So, yes, I would delete this thread for those reasons - if I were Andrew.

The bottom line is Andrew has a choice. He can host a thread that is an extension of Breit Bart, that is nothing more than a bunch of links, copy/pastes, and memes of alt-right commentary. Or, he can shut it down.

I believe that is now impossible in THIS thread...and it is up to Andrew on what to do about it. If it were me, I'd shut it down.

LOL...he took my advice from 100 pages back or so. There are a couple others...and then add a size limit to the posts, maybe 1000 characters, at most

I don't want to speak for Andrew but I find it amazing that you people are so naive and defensive that you invent this type of stuff, spout out "censorship" type arguments, generalize insults towards liberals and Democrats...all in response to him telling to the above.

so, tell me...why should this thread even exist? Andrew's embarressed by it.

I agree. Andrew should ban KC for saying "bimbo" and to keep everything equal, Hillary should be banned, too.

Andrew, you never did change GatewayPundit to GetawayPundit.

Sorry, I'm not a moderator. But, if I were, yes, I'd remove you, just as Andrew removed froyline.

[RPM]

No different than the RWNJ links, conspiracies, lies and bullshit that I was embarrassed as a human being to see posted on MY WEBSITE.

RW conspiracy theories and lies can be easily be countered with facts - there's no need for LW conspiracy theories and lies. To quote the former first lady, "when they go low, we go high." I encourage everybody here, me included, to just debate the facts for the next few days. Let's cut out the personal stuff.

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If Andrew says to stop posting crap for conservative nuthouse websites, than that should be the end of the discussion. There should be no debate on if it should be OK or not. If people don't like it, they can leave. This is not anybody's forum but Andrews and he runs it. It is not run by some type of consensus of opinion of the members, or some democratic vote, or who can win a debate for the "rules". Those who try to make it something else really shouldn't be here.

We moved on already and the discussion was civil but nooooo....you have to try and throw a wrench into it .
Feeling neglected? Get some help already.....you are not capable of intelligent civil debate.

[Monker]

And, instead of commenting on what YOU QUOTED, you go back to some conversation from YEARS ago and ask me to comment on it. Perhaps you should comment on the FACT that you don't own this forum and have no real influence over it whatsoever, that it is insulting when you take the directives of the forum owner and try to debate them, that when the forum is told to not post links for articles on conservative nutjob sites and people ignore that directive that they deserve to be banned.

As previously documented, the only person on here who thinks he is a moderator is YOU.

So, as usual, you now are making stuff up. Nowhere did I say or imply you are trying to be a moderator. I explicitely said the above actions disrespect the owner of the forum.

[Monker]

Increase taxes to pay for student loans.

A tax that would largely impact hedge funds and speculators. Who cares?

Any voter that the words "tax increase" triggers negative thoughts cares.

Increase taxes to pay for Medicare for all.

Under the current system, we already pay more than other countries and have shittier outcomes[/quote]

Tax increase.

Sounds like a really good follow up to Walter Mondale to me.

You thought Hillary was a shoo-in. So what do you know about electability anyway?

Did not say anything about electability . Your are making stuff up again.

Walter Mondale is the last presidential candidate that "openly" proposed a tax increase.

And, since we are on that...Kamala sounds a lot like GW Bush by avoiding those words.

[Monker]

We moved on already and the discussion was civil but nooooo....you have to try and throw a wrench into it .
Feeling neglected? Get some help already.....you are not capable of intelligent civil debate.

And, it seems you are unable to have an original thought and are just mimicking other people.

The simple truth is that it is easy to not go about being "insulting" when everybody generally agrees. But, if somebody is truly contrary, that is when TNC starts calling people liars, starts trying to disparage them by quoting posts that are literally years old, changes the topic of conversation to something he can use to his benefit, and instantly goes back on his attempt to not insult. He can't do it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

So, as usual, you now are making stuff up. Nowhere did I say or imply you are trying to be a moderator. I explicitely said the above actions disrespect the owner of the forum.

You said I should comment on the fact that I "don't own the forum and have no real influence over it..."
The implication is that I somehow do think I own or control the forum. It's total projection. The only poster who constantly bosses others around and attempts to dictate the conversation around here is you.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And, it seems you are unable to have an original thought and are just mimicking other people.

Stating the obvious is not mimicry.

The simple truth is that it is easy to not go about being "insulting" when everybody generally agrees. But, if somebody is truly contrary, that is when TNC starts calling people liars,

LOL. If I call you a liar, it's because you are LYING.
For example, "Hillary had permission to use a private server."

...starts trying to disparage them by quoting posts that are literally years old,

Why would your own words disparage you from posting? Can you not defend them? Pretty much says it all. I am just exposing your hypocrisy.

...changes the topic of conversation to something he can use to his benefit, and instantly goes back on his attempt to not insult. He can't do it.

I can't help it if you get insulted by the truth.

[verslibre]

Another day of "winning"!

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kz4q9z/the-trump-administration-just-gutted-the-endangered-species-act

[Monker]

And, it seems you are unable to have an original thought and are just mimicking other people.

Stating the obvious is not mimicry.

Repeating the exact words of someone else is mimicking.

The simple truth is that it is easy to not go about being "insulting" when everybody generally agrees. But, if somebody is truly contrary, that is when TNC starts calling people liars,

...starts trying to disparage them by quoting posts that are literally years old,

Why would your own words disparage you from posting? Can you not defend them? Pretty much says it all. I am just exposing your hypocrisy.

Now you are making shit up again. I did not say anything about disparaging me from posting. Talk about lying, you have been doing it in almost ever post.

...changes the topic of conversation to something he can use to his benefit, and instantly goes back on his attempt to not insult. He can't do it.

I can't help it if you get insulted by the truth.

I said "attempt".

The fact is that you have no intent on "discussing" anything. Discussing a subject is not changing the subject. Discussing a subject is not lying about what is said to you. You do not want to discuss politic here. You are constantly wanting to dive into this debate that we are having right now and you AVOID talking about politics by doing it.

[Monker]

Another day of "winning"!

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kz4q9z/the-trump-administration-just-gutted-the-endangered-species-act

And, the stock market tanked again today...going back to the wild swings due to his bullshit trade war with China.

[Monker]

So, as usual, you now are making stuff up. Nowhere did I say or imply you are trying to be a moderator. I explicitely said the above actions disrespect the owner of the forum.

You said I should comment on the fact that I "don't own the forum and have no real influence over it..."
The implication is that I somehow do think I own or control the forum. It's total projection. The only poster who constantly bosses others around and attempts to dictate the conversation around here is you.

Oh, please. Me saying you have no control over this forum does not equate in any way to saying you are trying to moderate it. That's just more of your bullshit distraction.

[Monker]

We have Bernie Sanders wanting to raise taxes like Walter Mondale. We have Kamala Harris wanting Medicare for all and saying we will pay for it the way we paid for the various wars and such...which IMO is simply adding to the deficit.

So, you mention Yang above and giving out $1000/month, as some type of economic stimulus thing. That is nothing more than a Democratic version of VooDoo economincs and tax cuts. At best,it is only a temporary hit for the economy. A year later and the affect is gone....and it gives it to even those who do not need it.

Instead of doing this, I say add $12,000 to the standard deduction for taxes and give people the option to receive their refund in monthly installments. That way, there is no added bureaucracy, those who won't benefit much won't get it.

But, it seems it is more of a way to buy votes than a serious proposal. There is no way this would ever get passed in congress.

[Memorex]

No different than the RWNJ links, conspiracies, lies and bullshit that I was embarrassed as a human being to see posted on MY WEBSITE.

RW conspiracy theories and lies can be easily be countered with facts - there's no need for LW conspiracy theories and lies. To quote the former first lady, "when they go low, we go high." I encourage everybody here, me included, to just debate the facts for the next few days. Let's cut out the personal stuff.

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If Andrew says to stop posting crap for conservative nuthouse websites, than that should be the end of the discussion. There should be no debate on if it should be OK or not. If people don't like it, they can leave. This is not anybody's forum but Andrews and he runs it. It is not run by some type of consensus of opinion of the members, or some democratic vote, or who can win a debate for the "rules". Those who try to make it something else really shouldn't be here.

This is the hope of the left. Take away the ability to post facts and debate. They can't win on ideas and facts, so they will just shut people up. Lame.

[Memorex]

The government should not be involved in ANYTHING. The issue is when the government backs something, in a free market, then all of the providers think hmmm, I can pretty much charge whatever the hell I want and it doesn't matter if the person has the money, because this guy is getting subsidized by the mighty USA. Obamacare - You must have insurance and if you can't afford it, we'll pay for it. Um, thanks for the skyrocketing prices on that one. College loans - we'll make it so easy even a child can get a massive life-altering loan. Gee, thanks for the skyrocketing college costs.

The government is so fucking good at creating terrible situations that they then want to come in and run. No thanks.

Put it all to private companies and let them compete the prices down.

[Monker]

To stop posting crap for conservative nuthouse websites, than that should be the end of the discussion. There should be no debate on if it should be OK or not. If people don't like it, they can leave. This is not anybody's forum but Andrews and he runs it. It is not run by some type of consensus of opinion of the members, or some democratic vote, or who can win a debate for the "rules". Those who try to make it something else really shouldn't be here.

This is the hope of the left. Take away the ability to post facts and debate. They can't win on ideas and facts, so they will just shut people up. Lame.

And, yours are the words of an anarchist. A person who believes people should do whatever they want, despite what those in authority say is out of line and needs to stop.

[Monker]

Obamacare - You must have insurance and if you can't afford it, we'll pay for it. Um, thanks for the skyrocketing prices on that one.

Not true. The price of insurance and health care were both going up prior to ObamaCare. Making it mandatary to have health insurance puts pressure to lower the cost...the more people in a plan, the cheaper it can be. Blaming either ObamaCare or mandatary coverage as THE reason prices go up is a fallacy.

Put it all to private companies and let them compete the prices down.

That is what we have now! All government does is run the exchanges to sign up for the insurance. There is no public option for health insurance....that is why Biden and others want to add Medicare to the exchanges. If government is so inept, than Medicare should not be able to compete with the private insurance companies. So, do you have an argument to keep Medicare off the exchanges?

[Memorex]

To stop posting crap for conservative nuthouse websites, than that should be the end of the discussion. There should be no debate on if it should be OK or not. If people don't like it, they can leave. This is not anybody's forum but Andrews and he runs it. It is not run by some type of consensus of opinion of the members, or some democratic vote, or who can win a debate for the "rules". Those who try to make it something else really shouldn't be here.

This is the hope of the left. Take away the ability to post facts and debate. They can't win on ideas and facts, so they will just shut people up. Lame.

And, yours are the words of an anarchist. A person who believes people should do whatever they want, despite what those in authority say is out of line and needs to stop.

I don't do a single thing here out of line. so not sure why you are pointing that at me.

Whatever I say, I don't say you can't speak whatever it is you want. If i feel like commenting on it, I do. If not, I don't.

Two subjects here - Andrew and the board and that's just whatever. Obviously at the end of the day they are his choices to make, right or wrong. The other subject is being afraid of information, of which only one side seems to be.

[Memorex]

Obamacare - You must have insurance and if you can't afford it, we'll pay for it. Um, thanks for the skyrocketing prices on that one.

Not true. The price of insurance and health care were both going up prior to ObamaCare. Making it mandatary to have health insurance puts pressure to lower the cost...the more people in a plan, the cheaper it can be. Blaming either ObamaCare or mandatary coverage as THE reason prices go up is a fallacy.

Put it all to private companies and let them compete the prices down.

That is what we have now! All government does is run the exchanges to sign up for the insurance. There is no public option for health insurance....that is why Biden and others want to add Medicare to the exchanges. If government is so inept, than Medicare should not be able to compete with the private insurance companies. So, do you have an argument to keep Medicare off the exchanges?

Dude. You should take a pass on this one. Seriously. You are telling me premiums didn't double immediately after Obamacare was made law? Yes, prices were going up. But that was a booster shot for insane increases. Don't make me post links.

All I am saying is that whatever needs to be done to fix things, it does not include the government being involved in any way.

[Andrew]

When Backtalk members were trying to post here, you had a half dozen people jumping all over their asses, insulting them, inciting them, and generally bullying them until they either left or blew up and got kicked off. You had AR posting fat chick pics and mocking BT. You had people posting pics of people from BT for no other reason than to insult them because of their looks. And, yes, people who were regulars here got kicked off multiple times All of the above Andrew asked people to stop doing, and was ignored. And, yes, you participated in it. It is VERY MUCH the same as what has been going on in this thread.

Even at the height of tapegate mania, much of the discussion remained civil. You are incapable of rationally discussing politics with people who have views dissimilar to yours. You are the problem.

No it wasn’t. It was a fucking nightmare.

[Monker]

I don't do a single thing here out of line. so not sure why you are pointing that at me.

I wrote a post saying that people should respect Andrew's directions as owner of this forum, and it is disrespecting him when a person doesn't, and decides that the owner of the forum's directions are up for debate.

Your response was to say "the left...blah, blah, blah." Your response dismissing my post as some type of politically left nonsense. It's not. It's not even about politics. It is about respecting Andrew's authority as owner of this forum. Since you are basically dismissing it, you are saying people should do whatever they want despite what Andrew says...that is an anarchist.

Whatever I say, I don't say you can't speak whatever it is you want. If i feel like commenting on it, I do. If not, I don't.

And, if Andrew says you can't post memes of any sort...do you feel it is still your "right" to be able to do so....despite what the only true authority on this forum says?

My point is, it's not your right....it is your privilege to be here...a privilege that Andrew allow. You have no "right" to post here. You have no "right" to even belong to this forum. It allowed by Andrew and that should be respected.

Two subjects here - Andrew and the board and that's just whatever.

"just whatever?" No, it's everything.

Obviously at the end of the day they are his choices to make, right or wrong.

...and if you don't like HIS choices, you don't HAVE to post here, correct?

The other subject is being afraid of information, of which only one side seems to be.

Posting complete bullshit is not "information". When Andrew says it is an embarrassment to him, it should not be so hard to accept that as truth and not go there. And, when a whole group of people refuse to respect his wishes, argue against them, and start another website to hurl insults at him...it has absolutely NOTHING to do with being afraid of information. It is being totally disrespectful and insulting towards Andrew, and this website.

[RPM]

I don't do a single thing here out of line. so not sure why you are pointing that at me.

I wrote a post saying that people should respect Andrew's directions as owner of this forum, and it is disrespecting him when a person doesn't, and decides that the owner of the forum's directions are up for debate.

Your response was to say "the left...blah, blah, blah." Your response dismissing my post as some type of politically left nonsense. It's not. It's not even about politics. It is about respecting Andrew's authority as owner of this forum. Since you are basically dismissing it, you are saying people should do whatever they want despite what Andrew says...that is an anarchist.

Whatever I say, I don't say you can't speak whatever it is you want. If i feel like commenting on it, I do. If not, I don't.

And, if Andrew says you can't post memes of any sort...do you feel it is still your "right" to be able to do so....despite what the only true authority on this forum says?

My point is, it's not your right....it is your privilege to be here...a privilege that Andrew allow. You have no "right" to post here. You have no "right" to even belong to this forum. It allowed by Andrew and that should be respected.

Two subjects here - Andrew and the board and that's just whatever.

"just whatever?" No, it's everything.

Obviously at the end of the day they are his choices to make, right or wrong.

...and if you don't like HIS choices, you don't HAVE to post here, correct?

The other subject is being afraid of information, of which only one side seems to be.

Posting complete bullshit is not "information". When Andrew says it is an embarrassment to him, it should not be so hard to accept that as truth and not go there. And, when a whole group of people refuse to respect his wishes, argue against them, and start another website to hurl insults at him...it has absolutely NOTHING to do with being afraid of information. It is being totally disrespectful and insulting towards Andrew, and this website.

Andrew is fully capable of speaking for himself. why you feel the need to be his parrot rep is beyond me.

[Memorex]

I don't really worry about how Andrew feels because I don't feel I fall into the circle of whatever it is he doesn't want. I don't post memes. I post a link every so often. I don't call people names... I am not breaking any of his rules whether I agree with them or not. I'm sure I tick him off every so often, but that's an even playing field around here.

There is a difference between saying someone has the right to do something and commenting on why it's lame or not in my opinion. If I can't comment on any rule or decisions, that seems pretty lame. My voice is just as important as anyone else's around here, as far as opinion goes.

I thin it's much easier for you to get on this censorship bandwagon because it benefits you.

[RPM]

I don't really worry about how Andrew feels because I don't feel I fall into the circle of whatever it is he doesn't want. I don't post memes. I post a link every so often. I don't call people names... I am not breaking any of his rules whether I agree with them or not. I'm sure I tick him off every so often, but that's an even playing field around here.

There is a difference between saying someone has the right to do something and commenting on why it's lame or not in my opinion. If I can't comment on any rule or decisions, that seems pretty lame. My voice is just as important as anyone else's around here, as far as opinion goes.

I thin it's much easier for you to get on this censorship bandwagon because it benefits you.

Exactly right....

[Monker]

I don't really worry about how Andrew feels because I don't feel I fall into the circle of whatever it is he doesn't want. I don't post memes. I post a link every so often. I don't call people names... I am not breaking any of his rules whether I agree with them or not. I'm sure I tick him off every so often, but that's an even playing field around here.

If you don't care to engage in such conversation then there is no need for you to reply with your "left wing" descriptions of my post. You engaged me in this, remember.

There is a difference between saying someone has the right to do something and commenting on why it's lame or not in my opinion. If I can't comment on any rule or decisions, that seems pretty lame. My voice is just as important as anyone else's around here, as far as opinion goes.

The Exiles forum was created nine months or so ago....last December, I think. Yes, some people here STILL feel the need to bring it up and go on about things said and done over a year ago. Over and over again it is brought up as some type of debatable topic. Decisions were made. They were made by Andrew, and they were made by the creators of the Exiles forum...and the posters there decided to make it a place to hurtle insults. And, there were consequences for all of this....last December.

Commenting on this stuff just shows an inability to move on in a productive way. Some of this stuff has been whined and complained about for well over a year now. This "opinion" has been stated over and over and over and over and over again in a way that is meant to insulting towards Andrew and the forum in general.

I thin it's much easier for you to get on this censorship bandwagon because it benefits you.

I've been at odds with Andrew and other forum leaders, dating back decades. If I don't like the way a forum is run, I adapt or leave. I don't go about and bitch and whine about it for months unending. That's ridiculous.

[Andrew]

The fact that stats here haven’t dropped by even 1% and that I’m still being bitched about says it all really.

Just a few pissy hard right conservatives drowning in the swill of the limited RWNJ outlets they choose to take their “news” from.

I’m still happy that crap has gone.

[The_Noble_Cause]

So, as usual, you now are making stuff up. Nowhere did I say or imply you are trying to be a moderator.

You said I should discuss how I "don't own the forum" and I how I "have no real influence over it" - which is exactly the description of a moderator.
Again, the only little wannabe dictator on this forum is you.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Repeating the exact words of someone else is mimicking.

Nobody did that. If RPM used the exact words as me, quote him.

Now you are making shit up again. I did not say anything about disparaging me from posting. Talk about lying, you have been doing it in almost ever post.

You said that "if somebody is truly contrary, that is when TNC starts calling people liars, starts trying to disparage them by quoting posts that are literally years old, changes the topic of conversation to something he can use to his benefit, and instantly goes back on his attempt to not insult."


In other words, please don't quote me. I can't defend my own words.
Can't blame you. All you do is engage in hit and run propaganda tactics.

The fact is that you have no intent on "discussing" anything. Discussing a subject is not changing the subject. Discussing a subject is not lying about what is said to you. You do not want to discuss politic here. You are constantly wanting to dive into this debate that we are having right now and you AVOID talking about politics by doing it.

And yet this thread was humming along just fine until you showed up.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And, yours are the words of an anarchist. A person who believes people should do whatever they want, despite what those in authority say is out of line and needs to stop.

How many times were we told to stop with the attacks and you continued to call people "nut jobs" etc?
This is just more 'do as I say, not as I do' hypocrisy.