They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[Monker]

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[Monker]

More fans of DJD

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[The_Noble_Cause]

Russia Russia Russia...strikes again...

What say thee, Drumpf enablers?

The Taliban has been murdering our troops since we first invaded Afghanistan. The idea that they suddenly need the added incentive of Russian rubles is truly stupid.

Once again, fake liberals are so wrapped up in modern McCarthyite hysteria that they miss the bigger picture. This anonymous intel leaked coincided with major Afghanistan withdrawal talks.

Here's some smart analysis from a real liberal -

https://consortiumnews.com/2020/06/29/r ... last-gasp/

[Andrew]

Here's some smart analysis from a real liberal -

https://consortiumnews.com/2020/06/29/r ... last-gasp/

A pro-Russia ex-CIA analyst who now writes for Sputnik and RT (both Russian controlled media) and who believes in a conspiracy that the DNC email leak was an inside job.

Good try.

[Monker]

Here's some smart analysis from a real liberal -

https://consortiumnews.com/2020/06/29/r ... last-gasp/

A pro-Russia ex-CIA analyst who now writes for Sputnik and RT (both Russian controlled media) and who believes in a conspiracy that the DNC email leak was an inside job.

Good try.

I agree...this guy has some extremely radical views. He seems to be more of a conspiracy theorist than anything else. Not exactly the best of sources.

[Andrew]

I agree...this guy has some extremely radical views. He seems to be more of a conspiracy theorist than anything else. Not exactly the best of sources.

The RWNJs have nothing left. Why anyone would waste a breath defending this dangerous, mental case is beyond me.

https://twitter.com/MajesticResists/sta ... 17537?s=20

[Monker]

I agree...this guy has some extremely radical views. He seems to be more of a conspiracy theorist than anything else. Not exactly the best of sources.

The RWNJs have nothing left. Why anyone would waste a breath defending this dangerous, mental case is beyond me.

https://twitter.com/MajesticResists/sta ... 17537?s=20

Well, right now, he's losing. He is losing so badly that even FOXnews is reporting that Republicans are discussing asking Trump to drop out. This is turning into a huge disaster for the Republican party. Republicans are even endorsing Biden. Carly Fiorina even said she's voting for him. A while back, Colin Powell endorsed him. Obviously, the Bush's want nothing to do with him. If you look at the poll data, he's losing among Independents and almost every other category. He is MUCH worse off then in 2016 when people were predicting Clinton would win.

If things keep going as they are, the Republicans are going to come out of this with a LOT of damage. The last I looked, Democrats even have the Senate in play. It's bad.

So, the question is, if it is this bad a few weeks before the election....will Trump swallow a HUGE loss, or would he rather drop out and leave the Republicans to clean up his mess, or will he whine about it being a rigged election and try to steal it back? He's obviously setting up the last option...whining about mail-in votes. A President refusing to leave office is a scary thing...but it may happen.

[Andrew]

Trump will take everyone down with him and him and his shitty family will be tainted for life. Good.

News just in - Press Sec says Trump is the "most informed person on earth"! Yes, well, ok then!

[AR]

I agree...this guy has some extremely radical views. He seems to be more of a conspiracy theorist than anything else. Not exactly the best of sources.

The RWNJs have nothing left. Why anyone would waste a breath defending this dangerous, mental case is beyond me.

https://twitter.com/MajesticResists/sta ... 17537?s=20

Well, right now, he's losing. He is losing so badly that even FOXnews is reporting that Republicans are discussing asking Trump to drop out. This is turning into a huge disaster for the Republican party. Republicans are even endorsing Biden. Carly Fiorina even said she's voting for him. A while back, Colin Powell endorsed him. Obviously, the Bush's want nothing to do with him. If you look at the poll data, he's losing among Independents and almost every other category. He is MUCH worse off then in 2016 when people were predicting Clinton would win.

If things keep going as they are, the Republicans are going to come out of this with a LOT of damage. The last I looked, Democrats even have the Senate in play. It's bad.

So, the question is, if it is this bad a few weeks before the election....will Trump swallow a HUGE loss, or would he rather drop out and leave the Republicans to clean up his mess, or will he whine about it being a rigged election and try to steal it back? He's obviously setting up the last option...whining about mail-in votes. A President refusing to leave office is a scary thing...but it may happen.

Hillary was up by just as much in 2016. LOL Meanwhile you liberal nutjobs are race baiting and burning down the country. What you fucking idiots did do is destroy your dream of gun control. Sales are through the roof. Defund police? Ok. I just bought my first firearm.

[The_Noble_Cause]

A pro-Russia ex-CIA analyst who now writes for Sputnik and RT (both Russian controlled media) and who believes in a conspiracy that the DNC email leak was an inside job.

Good try.

I'm not trying anything. I have been reading McGovern for years. As someone who claims to be liberal, I would think you would be familiar with him and his record of accuracy on matters like Iraq. Instead you are just engaging in empty McCarthyism and confusing anti-war with pro-Russia. Do you have any core ideological convictions besides spewing hatred and attacking others?

Regarding the DNC email leak....

Crowdstrike admitted in recently released congressional testimony that they had "no evidence that they were actually exfiltrated.”
Exactly what I said since this entire canard began. So where's the conspiracy? You are just regurgitating crap.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I agree...this guy has some extremely radical views. He seems to be more of a conspiracy theorist than anything else. Not exactly the best of sources.

Meanwhile, your "trustworthy news sources" had you believing the following:

- Hillary had permission to use a separate server
- Mike Flynn was directed by Trump to talk to the Russians
-The dossier was very credible and authenticated
-Carter Page was a Russian spy
-Mueller actually had the goods on Russian collusion

It goes on and on and on....
This thread is a petri-dish of uninformed conspiracy mongering.

[Andrew]

uninformed conspiracy mongering.

This from a Trumpster

[The_Noble_Cause]

This from a Trumpster

Even if I was a Hillaryite, (and I certainly came close to voting Dem in 2016), I would still be calling out debunked BS and lies.
Just a sampling of some of your conspiracy theories include - Trump is a child molester, Manafort met with Assange, and the pee-pee dossier is verified.

This dismal track record has nothing to do with me, or how I chose to vote in 2016.

[Andrew]

This from a Trumpster

Even if I was a Hillaryite, (and I certainly came close to voting Dem in 2016), I would still be calling out debunked BS and lies.
Just a sampling of some of your conspiracy theories include - Trump is a child molester, Manafort met with Assange, and the pee-pee dossier is verified.

This dismal track record has nothing to do with me, or how I chose to vote in 2016.

The effort you go to in order to deflect scrutiny of the absolute shitshow that is this presidency never ceases to amuse me.

Why still NO response for Russian bounties from Trump? Why does he always favor Putin's interests? They have something on him - and we will find out - pee tape or not.

Trump is defendant in a lawsuit by a 13yr old girl for rape. That is what I consider kiddie-fucking. You may have other beliefs.

[Andrew]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/worl ... e=Homepage

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/us/p ... e=Homepage

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/01/poli ... index.html

[Monker]

Hillary was up by just as much in 2016.

The week before the election, Clinton was up about 3% nationally...Biden is up in double digits. She had a slim lead in the swing states. Depending on the state, Biden is up between 5-10%. If the election were held today, it would be a landslide for Biden.

LOL Meanwhile you liberal nutjobs are race baiting and burning down the country. What you fucking idiots did do is destroy your dream of gun control. Sales are through the roof. Defund police? Ok. I just bought my first firearm.

I'm not as liberal as you are describing. Seattle's CHOP should have ended weeks ago. I completely disagree with the toppling of the statues...that should be a local government matter, and dealt with by that community....not by protesters. Those who topple statues should be thrown in jail for vandalism.

HOWEVER, I also completely disagree with the characterization of BLM and equating them as anarchists, looters, terrorists, or similar to ANTIFA. I watched parts of a local BLM protest here and a confrontation with police. The leaders were having a sorta negotiation with the cops and suddenly one of the protest leaders turned around to the crowd and started shouting at them, having them repeat a pledge of nonviolence...and then he said someone in the crowd threw a water bottle and that he better not see it again, because that is not why they were there, and they just pledged to not do that kinda crap. He was not happy.

Do they get out of control? Yes. There was another incident that just happened where they were protesting in front of the capital building to get felons the right to vote. Then some police were escorting some protesters that were arrested earlier out of the capital. When they were seen the cops were surrounded and they tried to free the other protesters. One cop was tackled from behind and his gun came out of his holster, though he retrieved it. 45 people were arrested.

That crap is wrong, and they should be arrested and spend time in jail.

They have a right to protest. If they do it right, without violence, they should be left alone. IT'S THEIR RIGHT. But, if they are stupid enough to surround cops and try to free someone who is arrested, they need to go to jail - just like anybody else.

And, BTW, have you ever seen these "protesters"? At least what I see is a bunch of teens. Most are probably not older than 16. It's nuts...and the "leaders" are a few twenty-somethings. And, they are not just blacks, but whites also. So, it almost feels to me like a bunch of naive teens. Not that this excuses their actions...but it doesn't say much for a "movement" when almost all of them can't vote anyway.

So, yeah, use your right to own a gun to fight off a bunch of senseless teens. That doesn't look any better than what they are doing. It doesn't say anything about "liberals" or Democrats...it says a lot about you, about your paranoia, your inability to see things realistically, and an inability to respond reasonably. Owning a gun doesn't change anything about this.

[Andrew]

https://thesoufancenter.org/intelbrief- ... o-respond/

[The_Noble_Cause]

The effort you go to in order to deflect scrutiny of the absolute shitshow that is this presidency never ceases to amuse me.

Nothing wrong with fair game scrutiny. But that wasn't the topic. We were discussing conspiracies, something you engage in repeatedly while pretending to take the journalistic high road. In reality, you make Alex Jones look like Walter Cronkite.

Why still NO response for Russian bounties from Trump?

Already responded to this. More then happy to elaborate. The NYTimes has been running anonymous intel leaks since Trump first took office - many of them have been debunked. This latest one is particularly stupid on its face. Why would the Taliban need a monetary incentive to kill an occupying force? They have already been killing Americans. Do you think the Vietcong needed prodding to kill troops during 'Nam? Other sources - like CBS News - have already pushed back on the story. Imo the timing of the story, coinciding with major Afghanistan withdrawal talks, is also highly conspicuous. Democrats and liberals were once the party of the Church Committee and scattering the CIA to the winds. Having Trump in office doesn't suddenly make intel leaks credible and it doesn't change the fact that the NYTimes has a track record of advancing the agenda of permanent war/empire.

A few other questions - where was your outrage when US military contractors were accused of paying the Taliban for protection? Or do you only pretend to care about funding terrorism when Russia is involved? Anything to distract from the fact that US soldiers have been dying needless for 20 years - the longest US war in history!

Why does he always favor Putin's interests?

Under Trump, we continue to supply Ukraine with anti-tank weapons to kill Russian separatists. How does killing Russians support Putin?

They have something on him - and we will find out - pee tape or not.

Better go interrupt Mueller's bingo game in the assisted living community room and let him know.

Trump is defendant in a lawsuit by a 13yr old girl for rape. That is what I consider kiddie-fucking. You may have other beliefs.

Beliefs and facts are not the same thing. Sorry.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... girl-1994/

[Andrew]

Russia Bounty Story has now been CONFIRMED by:

@nytimes
@WSJ
@AP
@NBCNews

And Trump IS a kiddie fucker. And traitor. And liar. And corrupt. And will go to prison.

[verslibre]

[The_Noble_Cause]

Russia Bounty Story has now been CONFIRMED by:

@nytimes
@WSJ
@AP
@NBCNews

Never denied that. Each source cited anonymous intel officials - which very well could be the same official or officials that initially leaked the story to the NYTimes. It's a cyclical confirmation loop. Reminds me of Dick Cheney leaking to Judith Miller about WMDs followed by Judith Miller publishing Cheney's leaks and then Cheney coming out citing the published leaks as concrete proof of WMDs. That's how propaganda and disinformation works. In 2017, both NYT and CNN and others "confirmed" that the Trump campaign was talking to Russian intel officials. Comey, even after he was fired, later said about those claims "in the main, it was not true." There are multiple other examples like this. The national security state keeps playing you like a broken fiddle.

Officials who HAVE gone on record - like NSA adviser O'Brien - claim the bounty story was unverified intel that never made its way to the president. My question - even if it did, what of it? Would Trump making a speech loudly denouncing Putin have prevented more US deaths? Would applying more Russian sanctions have prevented more US deaths? Would sending more weapons to Ukraine have prevented more US deaths? Once again, US troops have been dying in the Afghanistan quagmire for TWENTY YEARS! These bounty leaks have now resulted in the House Dems voting to delay troop reductions from Afghanistan - thereby guaranteeing even more needless death. Pretty sick.

And Trump IS a kiddie fucker. And traitor. And liar. And corrupt. And will go to prison.

This is not intelligent debate. I have no interest in this. Sorry.

Happy 4th everyone!

[Monker]

So, after reading Trump's speech at Mt.Rushmore, I have a few things to say.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-st ... th-dakota/

Yes, there is a movement to remove certain monuments from public display. However, to make such a political reaction and paint everyone who disagrees with Trump as anarchists, erasing history, and dividing the country is in itself a political and divisive statement. To not take a moment and listen to the complaints would be much wiser and more "presidential" approach than simply lashing out in a speech to drum up your base and start a flame of anger.

Using the idea of defacing Mt. Rushmore is such a calculated move. If you go and read Conservative propaganda, you will see articles of "growing evidence that anarchists want to deface Mount Rushmore." Fine, protect the monument due to conservative propaganda that has no conclusive evidence to warrant it. Whatever. But, there are those who have legitimate complaints.

When native Americans look at Mt. Rushmore, they do not see a monument to four great Presidents. They see a great monument to the spirits in nature being defaced and replaced by the images of those who represent the powers that took their land, went to war with them and killed countless thousands. They do not look at Mt. Rushmore as something to admire...whether they are American citizens or part of a tribal nation.

Is this not also part of our history? Is this not something that has never been taught in schools. I this not part of the countries history that has been a stain that has been an embarrassment that has been washed away and forgotten?

For most of us, Mt. Rushmore is a tribute to American greatness. It may even be a modern "wonder of the world" paying tribute to four great Americans. I am not disputing that.

What I am saying is that on this country's way to greatness, we fumbled. We made mistakes. We came close to committing genocide of the native population. We had slaves, and half of the nation did not want to end slavery and had a belief that one skin color was more worthy and dignified than another. We had hatred towards immigrants and saw them as inferior, even saying that the Irish were more closely related to blacks...to demean both heritages and cultures. We were a country where the colonists were almost exclusively protestants...and hated Catholics.

We are a country that went through growing pains. From the beginning the country has struggled to live up to the phrase "all men are created equal." That very phrase is sexist and we forget that women were not even given equal rights to men and the ability to vote, or viewed worthy of earning the same wages as men...Some of these things we as a nation struggle with - even today.

We are a country that went through a civil war due to slavery. Our country had half the states try to leave the Union and rebel and go to war to try to secure their own independence. Governers, generals, citizens rising in revolt against their country, fighting in war and killing Americans...in defense of there ability to keep slaves. These are not people who, IMO, deserve monuments to revere and remember their historical "greatness". They should be remembered for their rebellious acts, their true reasons for rebellion, and their defeat.

We should also remember that many of the monuments for rebellious Confederates were commissioned in the 19th and 20th centuries...up to 100yrs after the civil war. These are not relics of the 1800's...but modern reminders of people who wanted to oppress and enslave.

So, in today's country, when a statue has a newly freed slave seeming to kneel before Lincoln, it is offensive to some, Even if former slaves commissioned the statue, it is offensive to some. When we see statues or monuments of the rebellious Confederacy, to some it is a reminder of how they were viewed and treated as inferior and treated as property and not the human beings they are - not as equals who also have God given rights that the Declaration of Independence speaks of.

All of this is part of history. It is history that was never truly taught in schools. It is a history that some Americans want to ignore, or forget. I would argue that it does not make Americans less as a people. I would say that we are human, imperfect, we make mistakes and try to move forward. However, you can not move forward by ignoring your mistakes, by pretending that you are perfect, by forgetting anything negative or bad. You move forward by acknowledging these imperfections, take responsibility for those wrongs, and listening and acknowledging the pain that those mistakes have caused. Then you can heal those wounds.

Only then can this country move forward as one people and not one group trying to forget and pretend that mistakes didn't happen...and another group screaming in anger about the past and lashing out in defiance because they do not believe they are being heard and truly listened to. Division comes when you try to speak your point of view the loudest. Healing and unity comes when you shut your fucking mouth and listen to and try to understand the other side.

[Monker]

[Andrew]

My question - even if it did, what of it? Would Trump making a speech loudly denouncing Putin have prevented more US deaths? Would applying more Russian sanctions have prevented more US deaths? Would sending more weapons to Ukraine have prevented more US deaths?

Yes, yes and yes.

And saying NOTHING WHATSOEVER against an historic adversary is treasonous.

[The_Noble_Cause]

My question - even if it did, what of it? Would Trump making a speech loudly denouncing Putin have prevented more US deaths? Would applying more Russian sanctions have prevented more US deaths? Would sending more weapons to Ukraine have prevented more US deaths?

Yes, yes and yes.

And saying NOTHING WHATSOEVER against an historic adversary is treasonous.

Can you point to any previous posts where you expressed your desire to have troops return home from Afghanistan?
A basic search returned only the following pro-war comment from you -

"Stability in Iraq and the ME as a whole gives stability to the whole world."

I repeat, you are NOT a liberal.

In the 20 years that the Afghanistan quagmire has raged on, why haven't you enlisted? Held up at the pharmacy picking up your bone-spur prescription?

[Andrew]

Can you point to any previous posts where you expressed your desire to have troops return home from Afghanistan?
A basic search returned only the following pro-war comment from you -

"Stability in Iraq and the ME as a whole gives stability to the whole world."

I repeat, you are NOT a liberal.

In the 20 years that the Afghanistan quagmire has raged on, why haven't you enlisted? Held up at the pharmacy picking up your bone-spur prescription?

WTF are you on about you charmless nerk? Once again, NOT answering the question and instead deferring to some bizarre sideshow distraction that has nothing to do with the questions being asked.

Proof that RWNJs have NOTHING left. Why is it too hard for you to stand up to Dear Leader and his boss Putin and demand a response to these stories.

[The_Noble_Cause]

WTF are you on about you charmless nerk? Once again, NOT answering the question and instead deferring to some bizarre sideshow distraction that has nothing to do with the questions being asked.

Answered your question about Afghanistan bounties several now. Since then, multiple officials - including the Defense Secretary, Centcom Commander, and Joint Chiefs Commander - have all shot holes in the story. Happy to continue answering this question over and over again.

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for an answer to my question- can you point to any posts where you expressed your desire to have troops return home from Afghanistan? Seems your outrage stems solely from the fact that more troops aren't being killed in more theaters of war. Like I said, go sign up.

Proof that RWNJs have NOTHING left. Why is it too hard for you to stand up to Dear Leader and his boss Putin and demand a response to these stories.

As noted above, there already have been many "responses" to these anonymous intel leaks - you just don't like them because they didn't increase the death toll and sate your Cheney-esque blood lust. Pope Cain should perform an exorcism on your ghoulish ass.

[Monker]

WTF are you on about you charmless nerk? Once again, NOT answering the question and instead deferring to some bizarre sideshow distraction that has nothing to do with the questions being asked.

Answered your question about Afghanistan bounties several now. Since then, multiple officials - including the Defense Secretary, Centcom Commander, and Joint Chiefs Commander - have all shot holes in the story. Happy to continue answering this question over and over again.

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for an answer to my question- can you point to any posts where you expressed your desire to have troops return home from Afghanistan? Seems your outrage stems solely from the fact that more troops aren't being killed in more theaters of war. Like I said, go sign up.

Proof that RWNJs have NOTHING left. Why is it too hard for you to stand up to Dear Leader and his boss Putin and demand a response to these stories.

As noted above, there already have been many "responses" to these anonymous intel leaks - you just don't like them because they didn't increase the death toll and sate your Cheney-esque blood lust. Pope Cain should perform an exorcism on your ghoulish ass.

This is literally the dumbest argument I have read in a while. It's like saying you are not for peace because you haven't joined the Peace Corps.

It doesn't matter anyway....Trump is getting so far behind that I'm not sure he can catch up. This isn't like Clinton where she was less than 5 pts ahead nationally, and struggling in most swing states. If the election were held RIGHT NOW, Biden would win in a landslide. Somebody predicted up above that November would be the biggest electoral win in 40yrs, or whatever. It may just be - for Biden. And, since Trump can't see past his base, there is less and less chance of him even making it close. The virus, the economy, the protests, Republican PAC ads against Trump...all are making this nearly impossible for a rogue like Trump to win. His approval rating is in the low 40's now...lower than it has been for a while. The direction of country poll shows 67% saying "wrong direction". Biden is ahead by 9pts nationally and ahead in every swing state, some by comfortable margins of 6pts or more. Finally if you look at the electoral college map, states most likely to go for Biden/Trump, Biden has a huge lead of 222 to 125 with 191 up for grabs. That is a HUGE lead for Biden, he only needs 270 to win....WI, MI, and FL are all leaning heavily to Biden, and that would put him over 270. Trump has to steal one of those away AND win everything else...not very likely.

Trump has a long climb to even make it competitive. I don't remember Clinton ever being this far ahead.

[The_Noble_Cause]

This is literally the dumbest argument I have read in a while. It's like saying you are not for peace because you haven't joined the Peace Corps.

Being an advocate for peace and perpetual peace, doesn't require the continuing sacrifice of others - just the sacrifice of military industrial profits.
If that offends you, feel free to jump headfirst in the Afghanistan meat grinder or STFU.

Admittedly, Trump is an unlikely messenger for peace, but he's the best we got. Especially since the Dems have gone full-blown neocon.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Per CBS News....

"British court orders ex-spy Christopher Steele’s firm to pay limited damages to 2 Russian bankers for inaccurate or misleading material in dossier. "

I thought this forum told me the dossier was verified? What gives?