Journey album - new date

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't think it's a "crap show", I think it is Neal just lying about it all.

Other Neal claims that you questioned or called an outright lie (ex. Lollapalooza, new music) all came true tho. The only thing you really have him on is release dates being changed - which he openly admits and never denied.

[JourneyHard]

The more I read about Journey's new album the more I get worried about it. When the new album was first announced, they gave the impression it would be a single album of ten or so songs. Now, they changed it to a double album. The whole reason for a single album is to take the best ten songs from the 25 songs they were working on. This gives us the fan the best album possible. Now, by including all the songs, we might end up with a bloated mess full of ballads and inferior songs.
Next, when Narada joined the band, I had the feeling he would reign in Neal and force Neal to do more with shorter guitar solos. Now, Neal says the album is full of him doing long guitar solos like he does in concerts. Couldn't Neal have saved his long solos for a concert album of Post-Perry material? That would have been a good place for it.
It seems they are taking away one by one all the positive views I had for the album. Now, I approach the new Journey album with heightened skepticism.

[Journey/Survivor]

The more I read about Journey's new album the more I get worried about it. When the new album was first announced, they gave the impression it would be a single album of ten or so songs. Now, they changed it to a double album. The whole reason for a single album is to take the best ten songs from the 25 songs they were working on. This gives us the fan the best album possible. Now, by including all the songs, we might end up with a bloated mess full of ballads and inferior songs.
Next, when Narada joined the band, I had the feeling he would reign in Neal and force Neal to do more with shorter guitar solos. Now, Neal says the album is full of him doing long guitar solos like he does in concerts. Couldn't Neal have saved his long solos for a concert album of Post-Perry material? That would have been a good place for it.
It seems they are taking away one by one all the positive views I had for the album. Now, I approach the new Journey album with heightened skepticism.

Maybe they came up with 20 great songs?

If there are 5 ballads, I can live with it as long as there are 15 Rockers.

If the new album is loaded with Neal doing long guitar solos, then I'm in 7th Heaven!

[DK23]

The more I read about Journey's new album the more I get worried about it. When the new album was first announced, they gave the impression it would be a single album of ten or so songs. Now, they changed it to a double album. The whole reason for a single album is to take the best ten songs from the 25 songs they were working on. This gives us the fan the best album possible. Now, by including all the songs, we might end up with a bloated mess full of ballads and inferior songs

Absolutely agree with this, exactly my thoughts when I first heard about the double album. Sounds like they didn’t take the time or make the effort to let cream rise to the top. But hopefully we’re proven wrong.

[Eric]

It’s been 10 years since they released their last album so it’s possible they have a lot of pent up creativity… especially during a pandemic with a new create partner (Narada).

Arrival ended up being 15-16 songs with cuts appearing on albums for the next half decade (Red13, Over the Edge, Generations, Blades solo, Revelation, Cain solo, etc.)

[jrnyman28]

I would've preferred they got a single album release a month or two ago. And in the down town before the next real tour begins in 22 they could've finished off a 2nd album to release just before that tour!


An album to tide us over, An album for the tour. And the time to make sure it's all top-notch. Wins all around.

[Monker]

I would've preferred they got a single album release a month or two ago.

That was obviously the plan....otherwise, there is no reason to release a single. But, they do not have a label to release an album on. So, fire management and start over.

And in the down town before the next real tour begins in 22 they could've finished off a 2nd album to release just before that tour!

Now the "new plan" seems to be to release a double album. If a BMG did not offer a good enough contract for a single album, why would they offer a better one for a MORE EXPENSIVE double album? None of this even makes any common sense.

A tour that is supposed to start in three or four months....but NONE of those bands Journey is supposed to tour with have mentioned it. ZERO venues have advertised any type of tour for February. I ask again, how close to February does it need to be before you guys admit that a tour will not start in February?

An album to tide us over, An album for the tour. And the time to make sure it's all top-notch. Wins all around.

Except this is just a fantasy. What label is releasing these albums? Do you think BMG is going to sign a multi album deal considering what happened to Wal-Mart?

My guess is that you guys may get something next summer...a tour, maybe an album if Neal decides Journey can release it on their own...or he signs a contract where the band doesn't make much money off of it.

This band has NO management, and NO label. All they have is a bunch of "demos" to shop around to labels to try to convince them to release it. Do they even have a team or person set to schedule a tour? Before you guys jump to fantasies about album releases, you should start here. Journey doesn't even have the basics together. They don't even have a consistent lineup. It's been nothing but total chaos since the lawsuit.

And, I haven't given my opinion about the "new songs', which are nothing more then backdrops to Narada acting like a weirdo. Basically, they sound to me like 5minute guitar solos where everybody else is fighting to find space to be heard. Just a jumbled mess of crap. That is NOT "just like Escape". On Escape, every instrument and vocal has its place and time to shine. That is one of the things that makes Escape so great.

[The_Noble_Cause]

But, they do not have a label to release an album on. So, fire management and start over.

Neal is still tagging BMG in his social media. It's not much to go on, but hey, it's something. It's easy to poo-poo everything. You have expressed doubt on everything from the possibility of the lawsuit resolving (wrong) to new music (wrong) to the Lollapalooza show (wrong again).

Now the "new plan" seems to be to release a double album. If a BMG did not offer a good enough contract for a single album, why would they offer a better one for a MORE EXPENSIVE double album? None of this even makes any common sense.

Nobody has discussed contract terms at all. You are just making shit up.

A tour that is supposed to start in three or four months....but NONE of those bands Journey is supposed to tour with have mentioned it.

Well, TOTO - like Journey - is largely self-managed and mostly uses their guitarist to break news and talk to fans. Right now, Luke ain't talking.
As for Billy Idol....don't know.

ZERO venues have advertised any type of tour for February. I ask again, how close to February does it need to be before you guys admit that a tour will not start in February?

Haggling over dates again? Who cares?

Except this is just a fantasy. What label is releasing these albums? Do you think BMG is going to sign a multi album deal considering what happened to Wal-Mart?

Since Eclipse, the record industry has continued to crater. It is now common for albums to sell LESS than Eclipse and be considered a success. Just look at Styx, for example. You are always on here promoting their "success." Meanwhile, their last album didn't even crack the Billboard 100. Eclipse was in the top 20.

My guess is that you guys may get something next summer...a tour, maybe an album if Neal decides Journey can release it on their own...or he signs a contract where the band doesn't make much money off of it.

"you guys".....as if you are not part of the same fandom here hungry for new music. Stop posing as a detached outsider. If you didn't obsessively care, you wouldn't waste daily energy tearing the band down.

They don't even have a consistent lineup. It's been nothing but total chaos since the lawsuit.

Schon/Cain/Pineda/Derlatka/Deeno have been at every show. Sounds pretty stable actually.

And, I haven't given my opinion about the "new songs', which are nothing more then backdrops to Narada acting like a weirdo. Basically, they sound to me like 5minute guitar solos where everybody else is fighting to find space to be heard. Just a jumbled mess of crap. That is NOT "just like Escape". On Escape, every instrument and vocal has its place and time to shine. That is one of the things that makes Escape so great.

The brief snippets that Walden has shared with fans sounds very promising. "Beautiful As You Are", in particular, sounds stunning. Not sure what you're hearing. As mentioned before, the constant attacks aimed at Walden as a "yes man" or "weirdo" reeks of thinly veiled racism imo.

[Monker]

But, they do not have a label to release an album on. So, fire management and start over.

Neal is still tagging BMG in his social media.

So what. That just proves to me that Neal likes to kiss people's ass to get what he wants. He persusd Steve Perry for months to have a cup of coffee. Neal Schon's words mean less than nothing.

A tour that is supposed to start in three or four months....but NONE of those bands Journey is supposed to tour with have mentioned it.

Well, TOTO - like Journey - is largely self-managed and mostly uses their guitarist to break news and talk to fans. Right now, Luke ain't talking.
As for Billy Idol....don't know.

Don't forget about Santana.

Nobody has mentioned a tour with Journey. If they did, you would have mentioned it. ALL of them have tours scheduled this summer.

ZERO venues have advertised any type of tour for February. I ask again, how close to February does it need to be before you guys admit that a tour will not start in February?

Haggling over dates again? Who cares?

Answer the question. How close to February does it need to be before you start doubting Neal Schon's word?

Except this is just a fantasy. What label is releasing these albums? Do you think BMG is going to sign a multi album deal considering what happened to Wal-Mart?

Since Eclipse, the record industry has continued to crater. It is now common for albums to sell LESS than Eclipse and be considered a success. Just look at Styx, for example. You are always on here promoting their "success." Meanwhile, their last album didn't even crack the Billboard 100. Eclipse was in the top 20.

Why don't you try replying to what you quoted. What label is releasing the two albums that were mentioned? Why would BMG sign Journey to a multi album deal after what happened to Wal-mart?

My guess is that you guys may get something next summer...a tour, maybe an album if Neal decides Journey can release it on their own...or he signs a contract where the band doesn't make much money off of it.

"you guys".....as if you are not part of the same fandom here hungry for new music. Stop posing as a detached outsider. If you didn't obsessively care, you wouldn't waste daily energy tearing the band down.

I can post however I want. There is nothing you can do about it.

Again, after wading through Neal's lies and looking at things realistically, I can see a tour next summer...an album if Journey releases it on their own or Neal is OK with a contract where they don't make much money off of it. Speaking of that, I wonder who is paying for the recording, production, etc. of this? Because, they did this BEFORE they were signed to any label.

They don't even have a consistent lineup. It's been nothing but total chaos since the lawsuit.

Schon/Cain/Pineda/Derlatka/Deeno have been at every show. Sounds pretty stable actually.

Even you questioned bringing in Todd Jensen on bass and said if they are going to pick random members like that, they may as well bring Ross back.

Since the lawsuit, we have had:
Arnel, Neal, Jon, Narada, Jackson
Arnel, Neal, Jon, Deen, Narada, Marco
Arnel, Neal, Jon, Deen, Marco
Arnel, Neal, Jon, Deen, Todd Jensen.

In part of the lawsuit, it was shown that the Pretenders tour listed a specific lineup as "Journey". Journey doesn't even have ability to commit to a specific lineup - it doesn't exist.

And, I haven't given my opinion about the "new songs', which are nothing more then backdrops to Narada acting like a weirdo. Basically, they sound to me like 5minute guitar solos where everybody else is fighting to find space to be heard. Just a jumbled mess of crap. That is NOT "just like Escape". On Escape, every instrument and vocal has its place and time to shine. That is one of the things that makes Escape so great.

The brief snippets that Walden has shared with fans sounds very promising. "Beautiful As You Are", in particular, sounds stunning. [/quote]

NOT TO ME. Especially, "Beautiful As You Are". It sounds like complete crap.

As mentioned before, the constant attacks aimed at Walden as a "yes man" or "weirdo" reeks of thinly veiled racism imo.

Oh, shut up about the racism. I say "Yes Man" in reverence to an old Steve Perry quote that I have always liked, "To be surrounded by Yes-Men is a dangerous thing." Yes, Narada acts like a weirdo, dancing about, holding up candles and shit from his mixing station, telling Neal and his wife how much he loves them. Weirdo.

[JourneyHard]

I would've preferred they got a single album release a month or two ago. And in the down town before the next real tour begins in 22 they could've finished off a 2nd album to release just before that tour!


An album to tide us over, An album for the tour. And the time to make sure it's all top-notch. Wins all around.

I agree 100%. This would have been really cool.

[JourneyHard]

If the new album is loaded with Neal doing long guitar solos, then I'm in 7th Heaven!

Let's take Escape Album for example. Neal jammed on that album, but there really weren't really long guitar solos except on the title track, but all the guitar solos were unique and full of energy. I was hoping Narada would force Neal to work harder to come up with the solos. Neal is great playing the first thing he can think of, but it would be better if he took time to work on it and make the solos even better.

[The_Noble_Cause]

So what. That just proves to me that Neal likes to kiss people's ass to get what he wants. He persusd Steve Perry for months to have a cup of coffee. Neal Schon's words mean less than nothing.

Tagging a record label in posts and expressing a desire to meet up with an old bandmate/friend is 2 starkly different things. It seems you just hate Neal Schon. ANY action – no matter how innocuous – you twist and contort into a crime against humanity. Get some help, dude.

Nobody has mentioned a tour with Journey. If they did, you would have mentioned it. ALL of them have tours scheduled this summer.

Neal said their tour starts around February, not summer.

Answer the question. How close to February does it need to be before you start doubting Neal Schon's word?

Tour dates, like release dates, are not etched in stone. If it happens, great! I’ll be there. If not, no biggie. You place all this momentous weight on the dumbest pettiest shit. Other claims you disputed (ex. Lollapalooza) DID happen. Have you ever owned up to being wrong?

Why don't you try replying to what you quoted. What label is releasing the two albums that were mentioned?

As far as I know, based on Neal’s social media, BMG is releasing it.

Why would BMG sign Journey to a multi album deal after what happened to Wal-mart?

Narada said “double album.” Neal said “double vinyl.” We don’t know exactly what form the new cd will take.

As for “WHY” a label would sign Journey, the answer is obvious. I said many years ago that if Sony could patch things up with TOTO, that Journey was going to score some sort of respectable deal. In today’s day and age, Eclipse sales numbers (selling 20,000 in its first week) could potentially score you a #1 on Bilboard.

I can post however I want. There is nothing you can do about it.

I just think it’s funny. You will refer to Journey fans on here as “you guys.”
Meanwhile it’s apparent to everybody that you have a personal vendetta against Neal and the band.
Your sole reason for existing is taking pot shots against Neal and Journey.
You clearly eat, drink, breathe, shit, and wack off to Neal Schon!

Speaking of that, I wonder who is paying for the recording, production, etc. of this? Because, they did this BEFORE they were signed to any label.

Who paid for Red 13? Who paid for Generations? There’s your answer.

Even you questioned bringing in Todd Jensen on bass and said if they are going to pick random members like that, they may as well bring Ross back.

Unlike you, I am objective. I don’t have to agree with everything the band does. Conversely, I don’t have to shit on everything either. If Ross was out, Randy made perfect sense. It's a bummer, but at least he's on the cd.

Since the lawsuit, we have had:
Arnel, Neal, Jon, Narada, Jackson
Arnel, Neal, Jon, Deen, Narada, Marco
Arnel, Neal, Jon, Deen, Marco
Arnel, Neal, Jon, Deen, Todd Jensen.

You forgot Jason in all of these. According to Cain, he’s a full member. So in each instance you have at least 4 members – Arnel, Neal, Jon, Jason. That’s really not bad. We are not in Foreigner territory….yet.

NOT TO ME. Especially, "Beautiful As You Are". It sounds like complete crap.

What I heard checks all the boxes. A ‘Deep Forest’ esque instrumental section, upbeat chorus, and some amazing drumming as well. Cain's keys are audible as well. Probably going to be an album standout. Wait and see.

Oh, shut up about the racism. I say "Yes Man" in reverence to an old Steve Perry quote that I have always liked, "To be surrounded by Yes-Men is a dangerous thing." Yes, Narada acts like a weirdo, dancing about, holding up candles and shit from his mixing station, telling Neal and his wife how much he loves them. Weirdo.

I see a passionate guy sharing love, light, and music. All of which is anathema to hate-spewing trolls like you.

[Monker]

If the new album is loaded with Neal doing long guitar solos, then I'm in 7th Heaven!

Let's take Escape Album for example. Neal jammed on that album, but there really weren't really long guitar solos except on the title track, but all the guitar solos were unique and full of energy. I was hoping Narada would force Neal to work harder to come up with the solos. Neal is great playing the first thing he can think of, but it would be better if he took time to work on it and make the solos even better.

What are you talking about. Just right off, "Who's Cryin Now?" has the entire second half of the song as a guitar solo.

In all the songs I have heard, it sounds to me like Neal just noodles a solo out of his guitar, Narada drums over it, then the rest of the band has to fight for any air time. That is NOT Escape.

[Monker]

So what. That just proves to me that Neal likes to kiss people's ass to get what he wants. He persusd Steve Perry for months to have a cup of coffee. Neal Schon's words mean less than nothing.

Tagging a record label in posts and expressing a desire to meet up with an old bandmate/friend is 2 starkly different things.

Both are examples of Neal kissing ass in an attempt to get what he wants.

Nobody has mentioned a tour with Journey. If they did, you would have mentioned it. ALL of them have tours scheduled this summer.

Neal said their tour starts around February, not summer.

Yep, for 22 dates or whatever, and then they start with the next band and end with Santana.

What I am saying is all three bands have dates already posted for this summer. Funny how ALL THREE skipped the Spring.

Answer the question. How close to February does it need to be before you start doubting Neal Schon's word?

Tour dates, like release dates, are not etched in stone.

There has not been a single tour date posted. There has never been a release date for the CD posted. There are just vague lies being posted by Neal Schon to keep naïve people interested.

Why don't you try replying to what you quoted. What label is releasing the two albums that were mentioned?

As far as I know, based on Neal’s social media, BMG is releasing it.

Oh, so Neal has said that BMG is releasing two albums....one this year to tide us over, and another next year for the tour? Bullshit. There has been NO indication that there is a label to release these albums in the way that Jrnyman28 had said.

Why would BMG sign Journey to a multi album deal after what happened to Wal-mart?

As for “WHY” a label would sign Journey, the answer is obvious. I said many years ago that if Sony could patch things up with TOTO, that Journey was going to score some sort of respectable deal. In today’s day and age, Eclipse sales numbers (selling 20,000 in its first week) could potentially score you a #1 on Bilboard.

I asked why would any label sign Journey to a two album deal after what happened with Wal-mart. You remember that deal? The one where they had a hit album with Revelation and then for the follow up, as Jonathan said, Neal earned the right to release HIS album...an album that had Amazon over purchasing copies by such a high amount they had to sell them off to a liquidator, and last I checked, they STILL have not got rid of all of them.

I just think it’s funny. You will refer to Journey fans on here as “you guys.”

That is NOT what I did. I was speaking to Jrnyman28 when I said that, meaning him and whoever else agrees with him...not "Journey fans" in general.

This is the third time in one post where you take what I have said (to someone else) and twisted it to mean something completely different than what was posted. Perhaps you should read and understand the conversation you are interrupting before you reply.

Meanwhile it’s apparent to everybody that you have a personal vendetta against Neal and the band.
Your sole reason for existing is taking pot shots against Neal and Journey.
You clearly eat, drink, breathe, shit, and wack off to Neal Schon!

I have no concern over what you or anybody else thinks of me.

Speaking of that, I wonder who is paying for the recording, production, etc. of this? Because, they did this BEFORE they were signed to any label.

Who paid for Red 13? Who paid for Generations? There’s your answer.

You don't know the answer to that any more than anybody else. Show me the contracts with the labels to prove that they did not pay for any part of the creation of the CD.

Even you questioned bringing in Todd Jensen on bass and said if they are going to pick random members like that, they may as well bring Ross back.

Unlike you, I am objective. I don’t have to agree with everything the band does. Conversely, I don’t have to shit on everything either. If Ross was out, Randy made perfect sense. It's a bummer, but at least he's on the cd.

LOL...too funny. You say you are objective but in the very next sentence you state a fact that have NO CLUE how true it is. You do NOT know if Randy Jackson is on the CD. You are NOT objective and you do not apply ANY critical thinking to your posts. You believe everything Neal says without question. You are a yes-man.

Since the lawsuit, we have had:
Arnel, Neal, Jon, Narada, Jackson
Arnel, Neal, Jon, Deen, Narada, Marco
Arnel, Neal, Jon, Deen, Marco
Arnel, Neal, Jon, Deen, Todd Jensen.

You forgot Jason in all of these. According to Cain, he’s a full member.

So what. He's a secondary keyboardist and a third rated singer (ie: extremely mediocre). The only person who cares about him is Jonathan Cain. I would think hardly anybody at a concert even knows who he is...and even fewer care.

The bottom line is *IF* they toured in February, you have NO CLUE what the lineup would be for the concert you buy tickets for. From the lawsuit we know that Journey was contracted for a specific lineup...if they were going to sign a contract to tour, I doubt they could even decide for certain what lineup would tour.

I see a passionate guy sharing love, light, and music.

Dancing about, holding up candles and shit, acting like a high Sonny Bono. What is he a fucking hippy? Weirdo.

All of which is anathema to hate-spewing trolls like you.

I don't think so Anathema is OK for what they are. Danny Cavanagh is incredibly talented.

[jrnyman28]

I would've preferred they got a single album release a month or two ago.

An album to tide us over, An album for the tour. And the time to make sure it's all top-notch. Wins all around.

Except this is just a fantasy.

No shit. Hence my 1st statement "I would've preferred "...

[Monker]

I would've preferred they got a single album release a month or two ago.

An album to tide us over, An album for the tour. And the time to make sure it's all top-notch. Wins all around.

Except this is just a fantasy.

No shit. Hence my 1st statement "I would've preferred "...

Correct, which is why I said this just a few sentences later:

This band has NO management, and NO label. All they have is a bunch of "demos" to shop around to labels to try to convince them to release it. Do they even have a team or person set to schedule a tour? Before you guys jump to fantasies about album releases, you should start here. Journey doesn't even have the basics together. They don't even have a consistent lineup. It's been nothing but total chaos since the lawsuit.

The point is that there was no label to release the album on. If there was, we would have heard the album months ago. So, instead of a fantasy of an album, why don't you fantasize about Journey being signed back to Sony for one last album? Why don't you fantasize about getting a stable lineup together so they can sign on for one more tour for next year. Why don't you fantasize about having a Pat Morrow employed to schedule a tour? A fantasy about having a contract with a label to release two albums, and one before a tour, is jumping the gun because they are not even there yet.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Both are examples of Neal kissing ass in an attempt to get what he wants.

If you think using tags (ex. @bmg, @IHeartFestival) is a form of ass-kissing, what do you think when someone uses hashtags or - (heaven forbid)- emojis?

Just a heads up - the universal poop emoji is not an open-invite for you to sodomize strangers on the internet.

Yep, for 22 dates or whatever, and then they start with the next band and end with Santana.

What I am saying is all three bands have dates already posted for this summer. Funny how ALL THREE skipped the Spring.

You are basically highlighting these bands' availability to tour with Journey (or somebody else) come spring. Are you here to attack Neal or help prove him right?

There has not been a single tour date posted. There has never been a release date for the CD posted. There are just vague lies being posted by Neal Schon to keep naïve people interested.

Another "vague lie" you kept harping about was the band playing Lollapalooza? How did that "lie" work out for you?

Oh, so Neal has said that BMG is releasing two albums....one this year to tide us over, and another next year for the tour? Bullshit. There has been NO indication that there is a label to release these albums in the way that Jrnyman28 had said.

I don't think you know what "double vinyl" is.

I asked why would any label sign Journey to a two album deal after what happened with Wal-mart. You remember that deal? The one where they had a hit album with Revelation and then for the follow up, as Jonathan said, Neal earned the right to release HIS album...an album that had Amazon over purchasing copies by such a high amount they had to sell them off to a liquidator, and last I checked, they STILL have not got rid of all of them.

This is embarrassing.

A double album is not the same thing as a "two album deal." It's one release. As for "why" a label would release it...I answered this multiple times now. Eclipse's sales (20,000) in the first week are actually respectable in the current industry climate.

You've been raving about Styx's success with Crash of the Crown - even using it as a counter-example to Journey. Meanwhile, in reality, Styx couldn't even crack the Billboard 100.

This is the third time in one post where you take what I have said (to someone else) and twisted it to mean something completely different than what was posted. Perhaps you should read and understand the conversation you are interrupting before you reply.

I really don't need interpretative language advice from a guy that thinks tags, hashtags, and emojis are a form of assplay or some cyber sexual mating ritual.

I have no concern over what you or anybody else thinks of me.

Those that truly give no fucks don't feel the need to announce they give no fucks.
You are just revealing how defensive and insecure you truly are.

You don't know the answer to that any more than anybody else. Show me the contracts with the labels to prove that they did not pay for any part of the creation of the CD.

Uh, there were no labels.
Both Red 13 and Generations were self-produced and self-released.
Anything worked out later (ex. Sanctuary picked up Generations) came waaaay after the fact.

LOL...too funny. You say you are objective but in the very next sentence you state a fact that have NO CLUE how true it is. You do NOT know if Randy Jackson is on the CD. You are NOT objective and you do not apply ANY critical thinking to your posts. You believe everything Neal says without question. You are a yes-man.

Randy has said in multiple interviews that he has been recording new music with the band. Are you calling Randy a liar?

So what. He's a secondary keyboardist and a third rated singer (ie: extremely mediocre). The only person who cares about him is Jonathan Cain.

If Cain is the only person who cares, why did Neal have Jason first sing at JTT? I understand you hate the band, but please try to have a basic grasp of the facts. You are striking out all over the place.

I would think hardly anybody at a concert even knows who he is...and even fewer care.

Sounds alot like your hero, Ross Valory.

Dancing about, holding up candles and shit, acting like a high Sonny Bono. What is he a fucking hippy? Weirdo.

Wow. An eccentric musician/artist. Go figure.

Are you envious because the only time you get to act flamboyant is during re-runs of RuPaul's drag race when you play "dress up."?

[JourneyHard]

I would've preferred they got a single album release a month or two ago.

An album to tide us over, An album for the tour. And the time to make sure it's all top-notch. Wins all around.

Except this is just a fantasy.

No shit. Hence my 1st statement "I would've preferred "...

I still like your idea for two albums. I know how creativity works. I bet in the next four months Jon and Neal and Narada come up with some new songs that are better than some of the material they already recorded. They could add a couple songs to the second of the two albums that they release next year. That would have been cool.

[Monker]

So, now you have made the entire conversation about me, trying to bait me into an insult war, trying to bait me into talking about things from six months ago, just being a generic troll trying get specific arguments. Pretty pathetic that this is where you always end up. Good luck finding somebody to feed your addiction.

Both are examples of Neal kissing ass in an attempt to get what he wants.

If you think using tags (ex. @bmg, @IHeartFestival) is a form of ass-kissing, what do you think when someone uses hashtags or - (heaven forbid)- emojis?

Just a heads up - the universal poop emoji is not an open-invite for you to sodomize strangers on the internet.

Yep, for 22 dates or whatever, and then they start with the next band and end with Santana.

What I am saying is all three bands have dates already posted for this summer. Funny how ALL THREE skipped the Spring.

You are basically highlighting these bands' availability to tour with Journey (or somebody else) come spring. Are you here to attack Neal or help prove him right?

There has not been a single tour date posted. There has never been a release date for the CD posted. There are just vague lies being posted by Neal Schon to keep naïve people interested.

Another "vague lie" you kept harping about was the band playing Lollapalooza? How did that "lie" work out for you?

Oh, so Neal has said that BMG is releasing two albums....one this year to tide us over, and another next year for the tour? Bullshit. There has been NO indication that there is a label to release these albums in the way that Jrnyman28 had said.

I don't think you know what "double vinyl" is.

I asked why would any label sign Journey to a two album deal after what happened with Wal-mart. You remember that deal? The one where they had a hit album with Revelation and then for the follow up, as Jonathan said, Neal earned the right to release HIS album...an album that had Amazon over purchasing copies by such a high amount they had to sell them off to a liquidator, and last I checked, they STILL have not got rid of all of them.

This is embarrassing.

A double album is not the same thing as a "two album deal." It's one release. As for "why" a label would release it...I answered this multiple times now. Eclipse's sales (20,000) in the first week are actually respectable in the current industry climate.

You've been raving about Styx's success with Crash of the Crown - even using it as a counter-example to Journey. Meanwhile, in reality, Styx couldn't even crack the Billboard 100.

This is the third time in one post where you take what I have said (to someone else) and twisted it to mean something completely different than what was posted. Perhaps you should read and understand the conversation you are interrupting before you reply.

I really don't need interpretative language advice from a guy that thinks tags, hashtags, and emojis are a form of assplay or some cyber sexual mating ritual.

I have no concern over what you or anybody else thinks of me.

Those that truly give no fucks don't feel the need to announce they give no fucks.
You are just revealing how defensive and insecure you truly are.

You don't know the answer to that any more than anybody else. Show me the contracts with the labels to prove that they did not pay for any part of the creation of the CD.

Uh, there were no labels.
Both Red 13 and Generations were self-produced and self-released.
Anything worked out later (ex. Sanctuary picked up Generations) came waaaay after the fact.

LOL...too funny. You say you are objective but in the very next sentence you state a fact that have NO CLUE how true it is. You do NOT know if Randy Jackson is on the CD. You are NOT objective and you do not apply ANY critical thinking to your posts. You believe everything Neal says without question. You are a yes-man.

Randy has said in multiple interviews that he has been recording new music with the band. Are you calling Randy a liar?

So what. He's a secondary keyboardist and a third rated singer (ie: extremely mediocre). The only person who cares about him is Jonathan Cain.

If Cain is the only person who cares, why did Neal have Jason first sing at JTT? I understand you hate the band, but please try to have a basic grasp of the facts. You are striking out all over the place.

I would think hardly anybody at a concert even knows who he is...and even fewer care.

Sounds alot like your hero, Ross Valory.

Dancing about, holding up candles and shit, acting like a high Sonny Bono. What is he a fucking hippy? Weirdo.

Wow. An eccentric musician/artist. Go figure.

Are you envious because the only time you get to act flamboyant is during re-runs of RuPaul's drag race when you play "dress up."?

[Monker]

I still like your idea for two albums. I know how creativity works. I bet in the next four months Jon and Neal and Narada come up with some new songs that are better than some of the material they already recorded. They could add a couple songs to the second of the two albums that they release next year. That would have been cool.

If Q had been able to negotiate a contract with BMG, the band would have released the album months ago and would be on tour right now. 20 songs were supposedly written way back in 2020. Remember the album was supposed to be released in July....July of 2020. This entire thing has been drawn out by Neal's lawsuit, and now the fact that they do not have a label.

Journey could have toured this past summer, many bands did...and could be touring right now. You tell me why they are not?

[The_Noble_Cause]

If Q had been able to negotiate a contract with BMG, the band would have released the album months ago and would be on tour right now.

BMG deal was first mentioned at the end of July. Album releases typically coincide with tours. The album wouldn't get released as soon as the contract ink dries.

This entire thing has been drawn out by Neal's lawsuit, and now the fact that they do not have a label.

Or the fact that they continued to create and produce new music - something you said would never happen after Eclipse.

Journey could have toured this past summer, many bands did...and could be touring right now. You tell me why they are not?

They did tour. Journey did a small string of East Coast dates and enjoyed some of the most recent high profile appearances of their post-Perry career (Lollapalooza and IHeart). Many artists - Garth Brooks, Stevie Nicks, STP - cancelled their dates altogether. Do you think they were impacted by "Neal's lawsuit" also? It's called covid.

[JourneyHard]

Journey could have toured this past summer, many bands did...and could be touring right now. You tell me why they are not?

They are waiting to tour next year. They have new band members and need to practice together before a major tour. But they will be ready in 2022.

While we are waiting for the new album, they should release another single at the very least. I guess Styx had an album called Equinox. I was thinking Journey should name their new album Equinox, and then Disc One could be Spring Equinox, and Disc Two could be Fall Equinox.

[NoMoreTails]

I believe a few months back, Neal said management wanted to wait to release the album until next year's full tour. This was before they left QPrime, but either the production schedule was already set, or additional recording, or marketing strategy has dictated the delay.

In regards to the tour this year, I was impressed that they made the effort they did to do any dates at all, and especially the high profile shows they did. These shows gave Journey a higher profile in the pop mainstream than a normal summer tour would have. And a Vegas run to go yet. A year or two ago, Neal said promoters were trying to put the risk on the shoulders of the artists rather than the promoters and venues themselves. It wouldn't have made good business sense to schedule a full run of arenas and sheds at the risk of having to cancel, and it was a bad look for those who did (or had to do) so. Also, by the time things may have looked do-able for this year, by late spring/early summer, it was already too late to plan a huge tour. It takes time to coordinate and schedule the kind of tour Journey does, its not like setting up a run of fairs and barns on short notice, like say a Styx might.

[The_Noble_Cause]

In regards to the tour this year, I was impressed that they made the effort they did to do any dates at all, and especially the high profile shows they did. These shows gave Journey a higher profile in the pop mainstream than a normal summer tour would have. And a Vegas run to go yet.

Well said.

[Gideon]

Journey severing ties to QPrime seems like such a braindead move lmao. It seems like engaged professional management was the reason Journey landed the 2021 gigs in the first place and idk if the band has the clout or savvy to successfully self-manage.

Would love for Andrew to weigh in on this.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Journey severing ties to QPrime seems like such a braindead move lmao. It seems like engaged professional management was the reason Journey landed the 2021 gigs in the first place and idk if the band has the clout or savvy to successfully self-manage.

Would love for Andrew to weigh in on this.

Pretty sure Andrew already did weigh in. And he thinks it was possibly a financial move. Sad if true. QPrime was kicking ass for them.

[Monker]

I believe a few months back, Neal said

Neal has said so many different things that you can probably find a Neal quote to back up any opinion you wish to post.

management wanted to wait to release the album until next year's full tour. This was before they left QPrime, but either the production schedule was already set, or additional recording, or marketing strategy has dictated the delay.

Read the very first post in this topic...just a month prior to leaving Q. Neal is not a good source for information.

In regards to the tour this year, I was impressed that they made the effort they did to do any dates at all, and especially the high profile shows they did. These shows gave Journey a higher profile in the pop mainstream than a normal summer tour would have.

I don't have any critique for the shows they did. But, it wasn't a "tour" in the traditional sense...and what people expect to see from Journey. I also doubt they had much impact at all in how today's "pop mainstream" views Journey.

A year or two ago, Neal said promoters were trying to put the risk on the shoulders of the artists rather than the promoters and venues themselves. It wouldn't have made good business sense to schedule a full run of arenas and sheds at the risk of having to cancel, and it was a bad look for those who did (or had to do) so.

I have not seen any negative affects of Styx and other bands doing summer tours. Regardless of that, they absolutely could have scheduled a Fall tour leading up to the Vegas dates. There was nothing stopping that.

In addition, why release a single if the band had no intention of touring or releasing the ablum? The single release was a complete waste of time and money.

Also, by the time things may have looked do-able for this year, by late spring/early summer, it was already too late to plan a huge tour.

They were unable to schedule a tour or release a CD until the lawsuit was settled because it involved who owned the trademark. But, after 4/1, they could have scheduled a fall tour, easily. They could have done a solo tour to smaller venues, leading up to the Vegas dates...that is what fans would have really wanted anyway - to showcase the new songs.

In fact, Neal could have done an HSAS and recorded the album live and released it.

It takes time to coordinate and schedule the kind of tour Journey does, its not like setting up a run of fairs and barns on short notice, like say a Styx might.

That's almost an insult to Styx. To do any type of tour it takes time and planning, regardless.

As I have asked here, how close to February does it need to be before YOU start doubting Journey will start a tour that month? There have been no dates announced, no confirmation of touring partners, and no venues have posted anything...how long can that continue?

I would guess that you are smart enough to know that if Journey started planning a tour that it would be for next summer, not early Spring.

[Monker]

They are waiting to tour next year. They have new band members and need to practice together before a major tour. But they will be ready in 2022.

Well, they keep changing members. So, right now, Narada is in the studio (supposedly) and Deen is "touring"...and he should know the songs. For bass...it's just random people it seems.

While we are waiting for the new album, they should release another single at the very least. I guess Styx had an album called Equinox. I was thinking Journey should name their new album Equinox, and then Disc One could be Spring Equinox, and Disc Two could be Fall Equinox.

Or, they could release it in late December and call it "Winter Solstice", and the second in June and call it "Summer Solstice"...and have no need to copy Styx.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Neal has said so many different things that you can probably find a Neal quote to back up any opinion you wish to post.

And who is your source of information? From questioning Lollapalooza to the band's post-Eclipse musical output, you have been consistently wrong.

Read the very first post in this topic...just a month prior to leaving Q. Neal is not a good source for information.

He isn't?

He said they would sign with QPrime. They did that.
He said they would release a new single and video. They did that.
He said they would play Lollapalooza. They did that.
He said Narada would get them on the CNN concert. They did that.
He said they would play IHeartRadio. They did that.

His track record is fine. You're the liar, and are abusing this forum to spread bullshit.

But, it wasn't a "tour" in the traditional sense...and what people expect to see from Journey.

What does this even mean?
The show I saw was prolly the best show I've seen from them since 2002. High energy and re-energized.
It was everything I expected from Journey plus then some.

I also doubt they had much impact at all in how today's "pop mainstream" views Journey.

Unlike that huge game-changer, Styx's #114 charting Crash of the Crown, right?

I have not seen any negative affects of Styx and other bands doing summer tours.

Major artists are still cancelling tours left and right because of Covid. What are you talking about? Kiss just cancelled their residency.
Nothing is certain in the current environment.

Regardless of that, they absolutely could have scheduled a Fall tour leading up to the Vegas dates. There was nothing stopping that.

You haven't seen a show since the JSS days. Why would they schedule a tour based on the whims of a non-fan troll like you? They will tour when they are good and ready. If they had toured in the fall, you would be on here bitching that they were over-touring and burning Arnel out.

In addition, why release a single if the band had no intention of touring or releasing the ablum? The single release was a complete waste of time and money.

So now we are going from "they will never release new music again" to "new music is a complete waste of time"?
Plenty of artists - including Steve Augeri - release singles sporadically.

They were unable to schedule a tour or release a CD until the lawsuit was settled because it involved who owned the trademark.

Prove it. You are just making things up now out of complete whole cloth. Neal just laid down the final guitar overdubs on October 23rd.

But, after 4/1, they could have scheduled a fall tour, easily. They could have done a solo tour to smaller venues, leading up to the Vegas dates...that is what fans would have really wanted anyway - to showcase the new songs.

They don't work for you dude. And you don't speak for most fans. You don't even speak for the few posters on this forum.

As I have asked here, how close to February does it need to be before YOU start doubting Journey will start a tour that month? There have been no dates announced, no confirmation of touring partners, and no venues have posted anything...how long can that continue?

And we have resoundingly told you again and again - we don't care about dates! When it happens, it happens. The big picture - new music - is happening.

I would guess that you are smart enough to know that if Journey started planning a tour that it would be for next summer, not early Spring.

Nah, he's smart enough not to listen to a confirmed shit-poster like you. See below.

Monker March 2021: "Lollapalooza ignore Neal's comments about Journey headlining. There are no confirmed Journey live data for this year."

[jestor92]

Just for the record Kiss cancelled the Vegas residency because of soft ticket sales.