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jrnyman28 wrote:Neal’s been talking a lot about how bad the band has been screwed out of money through their career. He specifically mentioned all the Journey retail merchandise they weren’t seeing a dime from. He said he finally got that all ironed out and I thought maybe that was part of what got he and Perry talking again. It would make sense if Neal had discovered something that was essentially stealing money from Perry and the band. Evidently that is NOT the case.
Monker wrote:What Perry is saying is very simple, the wording in the Elmo Partners agreement means they should own the merchandise trademarks for all songs between Infinity and TBF. And, Jon and Neal have no way to claim it on their own. Not sure who is right, but I would not bet against Perry.
Monker wrote:jrnyman28 wrote:Neal’s been talking a lot about how bad the band has been screwed out of money through their career. He specifically mentioned all the Journey retail merchandise they weren’t seeing a dime from. He said he finally got that all ironed out and I thought maybe that was part of what got he and Perry talking again. It would make sense if Neal had discovered something that was essentially stealing money from Perry and the band. Evidently that is NOT the case.
What Neal was talking about is the fact that when trademarks were filed they never filed for merchandise. That is true. When I looked into Nightmare's lawsuit against JTT, I could see there was no mention of merchandise when they filed for the trademark...it only covered media, CD, DVD, vhs, etc. When I looked at Styx, they covered everything including a huge list of merchandise. So, Journey was never protected from some third party creating shirts and selling them. How often did that happen? I don't know but I doubt they lost as much money as Neal implies. In fact, maybe Herbie felt the more the name was visible the better and did not care....besides Nightmare is a media company and not a merchandise company.
JourneyHard wrote:It seems Ross Vallory, Steve Smith, Herbie Herbert and Steve Perry had a plan to oust Neal and Jon and take control of Journey trademark. Now, I understand why there was no mention of Herbie Herbert's passing during the concert tour this year. Neal and Jon are pissed at Herbie Herbert! Now, everything makes sense.
bellairepark73 wrote:Monker wrote:jrnyman28 wrote:Neal’s been talking a lot about how bad the band has been screwed out of money through their career. He specifically mentioned all the Journey retail merchandise they weren’t seeing a dime from. He said he finally got that all ironed out and I thought maybe that was part of what got he and Perry talking again. It would make sense if Neal had discovered something that was essentially stealing money from Perry and the band. Evidently that is NOT the case.
What Neal was talking about is the fact that when trademarks were filed they never filed for merchandise. That is true. When I looked into Nightmare's lawsuit against JTT, I could see there was no mention of merchandise when they filed for the trademark...it only covered media, CD, DVD, vhs, etc. When I looked at Styx, they covered everything including a huge list of merchandise. So, Journey was never protected from some third party creating shirts and selling them. How often did that happen? I don't know but I doubt they lost as much money as Neal implies. In fact, maybe Herbie felt the more the name was visible the better and did not care....besides Nightmare is a media company and not a merchandise company.
Which is odd because when I looked at the 1985 license agreement it mentioned merchandise. Nothing was excluded. Herbie wouldn't leave money on the table and not get it. And he made sure the guys got the bag too.
bellairepark73 wrote:JourneyHard wrote:It seems Ross Vallory, Steve Smith, Herbie Herbert and Steve Perry had a plan to oust Neal and Jon and take control of Journey trademark. Now, I understand why there was no mention of Herbie Herbert's passing during the concert tour this year. Neal and Jon are pissed at Herbie Herbert! Now, everything makes sense.
From my limited understanding when I read the minutes...that's NOT what they were trying to do at all. That was their allegations. The others only wanted Ross and Smith to be a part of the board.
Besides if Neal was pissed why did he give such a public statement of grief on Instagram? Where was Greg's mention? Ross' mention? Smith's? Steve's?
Monker wrote:Now Journey can sell official "Separate Ways" fill-in-the-blank divorce papers...created by Neal himself, and launch a new drone project called "Wheel In the Sky", they could go into frozen foods and launch their own brand of "Freedom fries". Lots of things they could do in states like Colorado with "Stone In Love". They could launch an official Journey porn site called "Any Way You Want it". The possibilities are endless. Just imagine where Neal can take this...I bet Neal has!
Monker wrote:Now Journey can sell official "Separate Ways" fill-in-the-blank divorce papers...created by Neal himself, and launch a new drone project called "Wheel In the Sky", they could go into frozen foods and launch their own brand of "Freedom fries". Lots of things they could do in states like Colorado with "Stone In Love". They could launch an official Journey porn site called "Any Way You Want it". The possibilities are endless. Just imagine where Neal can take this...I bet Neal has!
brywool wrote:After seeing Steve's merch in countless emails, I really hope he stays away from Journey's. That stuff seems so beneath him to me and I have thought so from day 1. Just tacky. If they're using Perry/Cain/Schon song titles on merch, Journey should give him a cut and move on. Anything he was not involved with should not be part of that.
Regarding the meeting notes, my recollection is that Herbie, Steve, Ross and Steve Smith tried to actually wrest control from Neal and Jon - which, at the time, seemed pretty smart because Neal and Jon were doing some super-eratic stuff, at least in the public eye. Settle and move on.
ebake02 wrote:brywool wrote:After seeing Steve's merch in countless emails, I really hope he stays away from Journey's. That stuff seems so beneath him to me and I have thought so from day 1. Just tacky. If they're using Perry/Cain/Schon song titles on merch, Journey should give him a cut and move on. Anything he was not involved with should not be part of that.
Regarding the meeting notes, my recollection is that Herbie, Steve, Ross and Steve Smith tried to actually wrest control from Neal and Jon - which, at the time, seemed pretty smart because Neal and Jon were doing some super-eratic stuff, at least in the public eye. Settle and move on.
It’s greedy on Steve’s part considering how much touring revenue money Neal and Jon have paid him over the last 20+ years while he sat on his ass at home.
brywool wrote:After seeing Steve's merch in countless emails, I really hope he stays away from Journey's. That stuff seems so beneath him to me and I have thought so from day 1. Just tacky. If they're using Perry/Cain/Schon song titles on merch, Journey should give him a cut and move on. Anything he was not involved with should not be part of that.
Regarding the meeting notes, my recollection is that Herbie, Steve, Ross and Steve Smith tried to actually wrest control from Neal and Jon - which, at the time, seemed pretty smart because Neal and Jon were doing some super-eratic stuff, at least in the public eye. Settle and move on.
JourneyHard wrote:Steve Perry tried to take control over Journey with the help from Valory and Smith
two guys he, Perry, kicked out of the band back in the 1980's. And Herbie Herbert was there helping Perry after Perry had fired Herbie, too! This is the craziest thing ever.
Let's be glad the hostile takeover didn't work.
With Neal out of the band and Perry in total control, we would not have gotten Freedom.
That said, I still think Neal's wife must be behind this.
Neal had 20 years to look into this crap, and didn't do anything. Then he married his wife and suddenly they have lawyers filing lawsuits and so on and so forth. I wonder if this story ends with Neal's wife having control of everything and all the current and former band members getting nothing.
Monker wrote:
This is exaggerated. If you read the agreements, this lasted for three albums and three tours...each one Perry received less. So, Perry stopped receiving money for touring and album sales back during the Augeri years....after the Generations album/tour Perry stopped receiving money. So, for the entirety of Arnel's run, Perry has only received normal Journey royalties.
jrnyman28 wrote:Monker wrote:
This is exaggerated. If you read the agreements, this lasted for three albums and three tours...each one Perry received less. So, Perry stopped receiving money for touring and album sales back during the Augeri years....after the Generations album/tour Perry stopped receiving money. So, for the entirety of Arnel's run, Perry has only received normal Journey royalties.
My understanding is that it reduced with each album or tour until it reached, like, 12% in perpetuity.
indigo wrote:Here's a list of the songs.
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