Neal VS Jon

[Monker]

After this, I can see Jonathan going through one more tour for the 50th anniversary, and then retiring from Journey. Then he can do his Christian evangelism thing full time with his wife...and I don't think he would mind that at all. Putting together a rival band and all this stuff to me just doesn't seem to be something he would want to do. And, there is no need for Neal to get Gregg Rolie, or anybody else, they already have a keyboardist in the band to step up and replace him.

[Monker]

I haven't seen the video or any from his channel in some years. But last I looked it was all click-bait speculation and incorrect opinions.

A while back he was whining and complaining about Little River Band...taking Housden's side saying it's not his fault everybody quit the band and left him with the rights (which is completely NOT what happened). Then he was making fun of Beeb Birtles name. Ridiculous shit. Then he gets an interview with Beeb and suddenly he completely changes his mind and asks other former members to come on his show and be interviewed by him (could you imagine Glen Shorrock or Graham Goble, and especially John Farnham, on a video of his?). All bullshit just trying to get clicks with controversy and "celebrity" guests....and completely ignorant comments and opinions.

There was even one video where he spent time commenting on Perry's daughter. That it was a rumor, or maybe not a rumor. But, he didn't want to dive too far into these guys personal lives...but he felt he should comment on it because fans comment on it...just adding his two cents. Just feeding off of controversy....ridiculous crap.

What I hate is he turns off comments so you can't even correct his bullshit. It's just not worth reading.

Not that I'm trying to defend Real Music Observer (It doesn't matter to me if he's attacked or not), but isn't that largely what DID happen with The Little River Band?

YES - I know it's a very complex issue.

YES - I know that heyday manger Glenn Wheatley gets a lot of the fault for the way that he transferred all of the legalities/rights (including the naming rights) to the new, late 80s company, "We Two Pty Limited".

Heck, some could even say that the others in "We Two Pty Limited", Goble, Shorrock and even Wayne Nelson included, were part of the problem, since they never learned about all that applied to their corporate stakes in "We Two Plty".

BUT...in the end, wasn't Stephen Housden, in fact, the last many standing with the naming rights, making what Real Music Observer said rather true? (Thus, aren't Housden's bigger "crimes" committed in regards to how he acts now that he's the sole owner?)

Yes, Wheatley gets a lot of the blame...they were signing things without really knowing what they were signing. There was one point where they were all part of an LLC that owned the rights but they didn't even know it. The bottom line is they never signed away their rights to the name (as Steve Perry did). What RMO said was they quit the band and left Housden with the rights. That is just not true. It ended up in court and the court had to decide who owned the rights. Must like Styx. Housden won the rights over the name, "Little River Band" and BSG was allowed to use "former members of the Little River Band", and it had to be in a smaller font then the rest of the text...which BSG was sued over that, too, for their live album/DVD....so they replaced "The Little River Band" with X's. So, the court decided and it was not a simple matter of who left when.

[JourneyHard]

Jon's full reply is much much more harsh than the TMZ article. If Journey didn't make so much money, I think this would be the end.

https://variety.com/2022/music/news/jou ... 235440391/

Once again, another article gets it wrong. Jonathan Cain wasn't an original member of Journey. These people seem to think Journey started in 1981 with Perry and Cain as original members.

[Gideon]

Pre-Covid I went to a ton of shows. I never thought one bit about who was fighting or what legal wranglings may go on. Yea, the Styx thing maybe, Fleetwood Mac maybe, a couple others, but never enough to post about it or look it up. I have not been emotionally invested in Journey since Steve left. I saw them a few times after, I have listened to a few non-Perry songs more than once. This legal stuff doesn't bother me at all. I can't imagine this doesn't happen with many, many long-time bands.

I saw Journey in April 2022, twice in August 2021 (I was at Lollapalooza and the extended pre show the day before), etc.
I love this band but it's hard for me not to notice that Jon and Neal, the two main draws outside AP, don't interact with one another on stage. It's night and day. Besides which, the setlist is stale. When they do break out, it's for shit like Dead or Alive or La Do Da. Decent songs but hardly worth the limited real estate on Journey's setlist.

[ebake02]

Jon's full reply is much much more harsh than the TMZ article. If Journey didn't make so much money, I think this would be the end.

https://variety.com/2022/music/news/jou ... 235440391/

I hadn’t read Jon’s response yet but now that I have, I don’t think he has any room to criticize Neal’s lifestyle considering Jon and Paula’s prosperity gospel nonsense.

[Andrew]

I'm team Neal all the way.

https://twitter.com/MelodicRock/status/ ... 6161077249

[danielb]

I'm team Neal all the way.

https://twitter.com/MelodicRock/status/ ... 6161077249

What has Trump got to do with this?

[Andrew]

I'm team Neal all the way.

https://twitter.com/MelodicRock/status/ ... 6161077249

What has Trump got to do with this?

Exactly. What the fuck indeed.

Cain playing alongside those corrupt rich election denying racist assholes....fuck them all.

[Monker]

I'm team Neal all the way.

https://twitter.com/MelodicRock/status/ ... 6161077249

And, just think about it. If Jonathan leaves the band, he could do this all the time - and there is nothing Neal or anybody else can do to stop it.

[Memorex]

I'm team Neal all the way.

https://twitter.com/MelodicRock/status/ ... 6161077249

What has Trump got to do with this?

Exactly. What the fuck indeed.

Cain playing alongside those corrupt rich election denying racist assholes....fuck them all.

The other day I was trying to think of the last time I read something from you that wasn't miserable or angry. I know it's been years. I don't know, life isn't that serious man.

[Andrew]

I'm team Neal all the way.

https://twitter.com/MelodicRock/status/ ... 6161077249

And, just think about it. If Jonathan leaves the band, he could do this all the time - and there is nothing Neal or anybody else can do to stop it.

I have no doubt he will be performing it anywhere he can at all the hard-right-wing nut job functions. Better he be tossed out to distance the brand from the guy.

[Andrew]

The other day I was trying to think of the last time I read something from you that wasn't miserable or angry. I know it's been years. I don't know, life isn't that serious man.

LOL

Then you don't know me at all. And how nice to be giving me some of your thinking time. I know posting an opinion about some religious nut jobs offends the former users of this board (hello to you all!), but if you think any of this actually affects my real life, or that I'm actually angry or miserable, then I find that completely hilarious.

[Memorex]

The other day I was trying to think of the last time I read something from you that wasn't miserable or angry. I know it's been years. I don't know, life isn't that serious man.

LOL

Then you don't know me at all. And how nice to be giving me some of your thinking time. I know posting an opinion about some religious nut jobs offends the former users of this board (hello to you all!), but if you think any of this actually affects my real life, or that I'm actually angry or miserable, then I find that completely hilarious.

Um, I post here and there and no, I don't post anywhere else. Anyway, just noting what I have noticed. It's just one of those opinions.

[Andrew]

Um, I post here and there and no, I don't post anywhere else. Anyway, just noting what I have noticed. It's just one of those opinions.

Opinion noted, but no...it's not accurate. I'm more satisfied and content now than I've been in a long time. Business is good, music is good, life is good.

PS. Fuck Drumpf.

[Onestepper]

I couldn't care less if Cain uses DSB for whatever he wants. He co-wrote it, owns it, it's his to celebrate, F it up, whatever. I personally hate several of the Journey songs being used in commercials. But so be it.

DSB got blown out for me after the Soprano's resurgence. Absolutely ruined. I don't take politics that seriously. In my opinion too many people do.

[ebake02]

I'm team Neal all the way.

https://twitter.com/MelodicRock/status/ ... 6161077249

So am I. Jon lost me when he and his wife started bilking their congregation and involving themselves and Neal’s music with that orange Oompa-Loompa.

[Mikele]

Poor ticket sale for upcoming tour anyone?

A new legal fight is ggod publicity

[JourneyHard]

Jon and Arnel are going to retire from the band. So, Neal can replace them with Gregg Rolie and Sammy Hagar. The next tour will be huge!

[ebake02]

Jon and Arnel are going to retire from the band. So, Neal can replace them with Gregg Rolie and Sammy Hagar. The next tour will be huge!

Steve Augeri has been teasing a big announcement on his Facebook page and I’m not going to lie, I’ve been wondering if it’s a Journey related announcement given what’s transpired.

[Andrew]

Jon and Arnel are going to retire from the band. So, Neal can replace them with Gregg Rolie and Sammy Hagar. The next tour will be huge!

Steve Augeri has been teasing a big announcement on his Facebook page and I’m not going to lie, I’ve been wondering if it’s a Journey related announcement given what’s transpired.

No.

[Archetype]

Jon and Arnel are going to retire from the band. So, Neal can replace them with Gregg Rolie and Sammy Hagar. The next tour will be huge!

Steve Augeri has been teasing a big announcement on his Facebook page and I’m not going to lie, I’ve been wondering if it’s a Journey related announcement given what’s transpired.

No way. That would bring tapegate, etc right back into the spotlight. Not to mention there’s absolutely no way he could sing a full Journey tour. He plays weekend shows with plenty of rest in between sets and still sounds pretty rough.

[ebake02]

Jon and Arnel are going to retire from the band. So, Neal can replace them with Gregg Rolie and Sammy Hagar. The next tour will be huge!

Steve Augeri has been teasing a big announcement on his Facebook page and I’m not going to lie, I’ve been wondering if it’s a Journey related announcement given what’s transpired.

No.

I didn’t think it would be but the timing sure made me wonder if it was a coincidence or something else.

[danielb]

Schon floats Rolie for 2023 tour:

https://twitter.com/NealSchonMusic/stat ... bL-6gsAAAA

[Memorex]

Schon floats Rolie for 2023 tour:

https://twitter.com/NealSchonMusic/stat ... bL-6gsAAAA

Sure glad Neal is taking the advice of his lawyers and not saying anything in public, like he said.

[JourneyHard]

Schon floats Rolie for 2023 tour:

https://twitter.com/NealSchonMusic/stat ... bL-6gsAAAA

That is number one. Now, Neal's next tweet will be about Sammy Hagar going Journey on the tour.

[Eric]

Schon floats Rolie for 2023 tour:

https://twitter.com/NealSchonMusic/stat ... bL-6gsAAAA

Sure glad Neal is taking the advice of his lawyers and not saying anything in public, like he said.

I don't think this has anything to do with the Cain feud. He has been wanting Rolie to join the band for the 50th for quite some time. And as fans we should want this to happen, too.

[marco17]

I couldn't care less if Cain uses DSB for whatever he wants. He co-wrote it, owns it, it's his to celebrate, F it up, whatever. I personally hate several of the Journey songs being used in commercials. But so be it.

DSB got blown out for me after the Soprano's resurgence. Absolutely ruined. I don't take politics that seriously. In my opinion too many people do.

Agreed, I think those using their distain for Trump as a reason to get even more bent out of shape at Cain is ludicrous. He's playing it a a private event, and how many would care if Neal was playing a J tune for a liberal politician? I replied in a similar manner on Andrew's twitter comment, but it's no different than JBJ playing BJ tunes at a fundraiser for a Democratic candidate... which he does quite frequently. Nobody cares or gets up in arms, but people are pissed at Cain for doing this? C'mon...go be pissed about something worth being pissed off about.

Regardless, I haven't cared that much for Journey in a while, and I hate to say it that all this stuff isn't doing anything to make me want to care.

[jestor92]

Schon floats Rolie for 2023 tour:

https://twitter.com/NealSchonMusic/stat ... bL-6gsAAAA

That is number one. Now, Neal's next tweet will be about Sammy Hagar going Journey on the tour.

Journey as an opening act for an artist I like would be the only way I would go see Journey after the original tape gate. Hagar and the Circle would be one of the acts I’d see.

[Andrew]

Agreed, I think those using their distain for Trump as a reason to get even more bent out of shape at Cain is ludicrous. He's playing it a a private event, and how many would care if Neal was playing a J tune for a liberal politician?

Same if that politician was an election denying, grifting, crooked, SOB...with supporters who are all just as corrupt.

[Onestepper]

Agreed, I think those using their distain for Trump as a reason to get even more bent out of shape at Cain is ludicrous. He's playing it a a private event, and how many would care if Neal was playing a J tune for a liberal politician?

Same if that politician was an election denying, grifting, crooked, SOB...with supporters who are all just as corrupt.

LOL, I think you just proved his point.

Everyone's got their issues. I am not in any way a fan of Cain's religious "work", or his wife's connection to the former President. But it's his life. I don't have to like it. I just enjoy when he writes good music. And I'm certainly not going to side with him in a lawsuit because of it.