OFFICIAL DC Studios; "DCU" THREAD

[Monker]

Except by consensus Watchmen is anything but mediocre, especially the Director's Cut.

Bullshit.

Rotten Tomatoes' critic's score is 65%. Even the fan score is only 71.
IMDB scores it at 7.6

You can't get much more mediocre than that. And, I have absolutely no interest in watching the directors cut.

Maybe for comic book fans it is "anything but mediocre" but for a general audience, it is boring. Most of the movie is dialogue. There is hardly any action at all. The mystery of "who is killing the heroes" becomes irrelevant because you just stop caring. The only thing I remember about that movie is the giant blue guy moving to Mars. The movie is EXTREMELY boring, just like Eternals.

Also, the few defenders Eternals has praise it for being almost indistinguishable from other MCU movies, save the fleeting references that connect it.

I really don't care. Eternals sucks.

It was refused by LucasFilm...and it is obvious why. The story SUCKS.,

And you're fully entitled to hold that opinion, but keep in mind the second film, The Scar Giver, is supposed to be significantly better.

Hardly anybody disagrees. Rebel Moon may be the worst movie on Netflix. Funny...the first movie was supposed to take on Star Wars and be the start of a new franchise. Now the second movie is just supposed to be "significantly better". And, if that fails, it will be the R rated directors cuts that will make up for everything.

Tell me you haven't watched Eternals without telling me. Bland performances, mystifying plot points, liberal borrowings from films of another franchise, the absence of any semblances of physical laws, and a stupid twist thrown in because the story's too predictable, with nary an explanation as to the title characters' goings-on while Thanos' armies were doing their taps on the face of the Earth. They must've been moonlighting for Door Dash.

Yep, I don't disagree. But, at least it has a story that somewhat makes sense. Rebel Moon has a story of Seven Samaria in space, and it makes absolutely NO SENSE AT ALL. So, Snyder's Rebel Moon is WORSE than Eternals. It has all of the above flaws, and more.

I haven't seen a big budget film that bad in a while.

Then you either have not seen Rebel Moon or are just too much of a Snyder fanboy to admit how bad it actually is.

It's past time to get Feige out of there. He'll just green-light projects to keep his job, to hell with continuity.

I don't think so. He has his job because even the worst of the MCU movies still made money...The only recent Marvel movie that did not make money was "The Marvels"...prior to that, you have to go all the way back to "The Incredible Hulk". Marvel is also pivoting to X-Men and Fantastic 4. "Deadpool and Wolverine" will be the turning point to a new direction.

Marvel had a few issues. There was the pandemic and then the strikes that pushed everything back and forced things to go out of order. They also stretched things thin with so many Disney+ shows. Feige could not oversee EVERYTHING and mediocre movies and shows were released when common sense would send them back for reshoots and/or delay the release...or cancel them. For example, I can't believe Feige saw screaming goats and decided to leave it in, or the ridiculous MODOK, or the entire Secret Invasion series. The Marvels had WAY too high of a budget and should have been canceled. I would have rather seen a true origin story for Rogue for the next Captain Marvel movie....but, whatever.

And, again, if you want to see how to start a franchise to rival Star Wars, watch Dune....not Rebel Moon.

[Monker]

Yeah, Rebel Moon 2 is not exactly better than 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deZH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt0ZwDFR5K0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVrxhYQo9_QCLh8yBo

This is sooooo bad.

[Monker]

Wow, I tried to watch Rebel Moon pt2. I ended up falling asleep because it is SO BORING. So much of the first have is recapping the first movie. They start with a dialogue reviewing the last movie...kinda replacing the traditional Star Wars crawl. Then they have to show the resurrection of the main bad guy in their version of a bacta tank. Then he orders the return to the moon, not for the grain but because "The Scargiver" is there. And, the Scargiver gave him a scar that he doesn't want healed because SHE gave it to him. What? On the moon, they find out they have five days before they come to collect the grain. So, there is a scramble to harvest the grain, and train everybody, and prepare the site for the battle. So, they are in a super hurry to get it done...but it is all done in slow motion. I mean, seriously...do we need to see a grain harvest in slow motion? Swinging a scythe in slomo, random grains flying through the air in slomo. And, it goes on for like 20mins...harvest the grain. Then the training where all the women are better then the men...weird. Then they have to dig tunnels around the site...in two days. Then they have to raise Kora's "crashed spaceship and drag it about....Well, until she goes inside AND IT STARTS RIGHT UP, "Wow, I'm surprised it still works!" No shit...just STUPID. Then Kora tells some more of her backstory. Then all the heroes sit around a table and retell all of their backstories. That is Snyder's idea of character development, I guess. By this time I fell asleep because it was SO FUCKING BORING. So, I "rewatched" the second half of the movie and it is just one huge battle...some of it is OK, some of it is STUPID. The stupid robot character just watches all of this from afar until near the end of the battle. Then he jumps in the fight...no explanation given for why he waited nor why he joined...his entire character could have been cut. At the end of the movie a big reveal happens that shows that NONE of this shit really mattered and it sets up the next story....which, IMO, should never be made cuz Snyder sucks.

These two movies are some of the worst I have ever seen. They are just SO BAD. It's like a serious version of "Mars Attacks". I mean, yeah, I was critical of his work in the DCEU...but this is just so horrible as far as story goes. The lens flare of the light sabre fights are almost unbearable. The blurry focus shit is so bad that sometimes you don't even know what is supposed to be in focus. One critic I saw found a scratch or crack on the camera lens...WTF? And, the slomo is so overused that it feel like the movie is 50% longer because of it. Seriously, go watch Seven Samaria instead of this crap. Watch ANYTHING ELSE besides Rebel Moon.

[Monker]

Ha, hillarious....Caitlin Clark Kent:

[verslibre]

Not hearing good things about the test screenings. The suit doesn't look good (and people laugh when they first see it). The movie doesn't feature a linear narrative, but I guessed that a long time ago. Still no full trailer, and Gunn chose not to screen it at Cinema Con (which is going on right now).

[Monker]

Not hearing good things about the test screenings. The suit doesn't look good (and people laugh when they first see it). The movie doesn't feature a linear narrative, but I guessed that a long time ago. Still no full trailer, and Gunn chose not to screen it at Cinema Con (which is going on right now).

Meh.

If it has Caitlin Clark Kent in it, I will care a bit more.

[verslibre]

Well, somebody has lost his penchant for loquaciousness.

[Monker]

Well, somebody has lost his penchant for loquaciousness.

Well, I just don't care that much. Superman may be the movie of the summer. It's possible. Thunderbolts looks like it could be good, too. It could be this summer's big hit. Maybe Fantastic 4, too...but I haven't really looked at it much. Does it matter much to me? Meh, not really. I'm not super interested in movie releases this year...I'll probably see some of those, but I'm not worried if I miss any of them. It's not like they are Dune 3.

Daredevil : Born Again is pretty good. But, doesn't blow me away or anything....but it has definitely kept me coming back week after week...very well written. I missed Daredevil on Netflix...I will have to go back and watch those.

I guess I don't care much for movies coming out this summer for threads like this.

But, I do have good tickets to see Caitlin Clark Kent play in July at Indianapolis. I am much, much, much more looking forward to that than anything at the movie theater this summer.

[verslibre]

No more "DC's house is on fire" rhetoric? Because now, more than ever, it really is. WB's stock is in the shitter. They keep pushing back the release date of The Batman 2 because they're not sure Zaslav wants to fund it, though they won't admit it. It's all riding on this Superman movie.

[Monker]

:lol: No more "DC's house is on fire" rhetoric? Because now, more than ever, it really is. WB's stock is in the shitter. They keep pushing back the release date of The Batman 2 because they're not sure Zaslav wants to fund it, though they won't admit it. It's all riding on this Superman movie.

Every US company's stock is in the toilet now. Have you not been paying attention? and, CBM'ss in general seem to have lost their appeal over the last few years.

After the dismal performance of Joker 2, I would be nervous about The Batman 2 as well....and I really did not think "The Batman" was that exceptional anyway. I saw it in the theater but have honestly not even thought about the movie since, or the sequel. In fact, I would say it is almost too late for a sequel anyway.

From the little I have seen of Superman, it does not look that bad. But, you have both Fantastic 4 and Thunderbolts as competition...and both of those look just as good. So, I don't know...any of those could be good, could be bad...most likely they will all be somewhere in between and not a failure but also not as huge as either DC or Marvel would like. It doesn't bother me either way.

Like I said, I am more looking forward to Dune 3 then any of this...and that is not until next year, at least.

[verslibre]

Every US company's stock is in the toilet now. Have you not been paying attention?

Sir, it's been in the shitter for a while now, as in prior to 2025. Do try to keep up. It's averaging a seventh of its 2021 value, when ZSJL was released.

Fantastic Four isn't a problem for Superman, Jurassic World: Rebirth is. It comes out the week before.

I'll let you get back to your badminton tournament.

[Monker]

Do try to keep up.

Why? It's not that important to me.

Also, your point that I quoted said "Now". In fact,you said, "now more than ever." If you wanted to compare the entirety of time from ZSJL, you should have stated that, "From the time of ZSJL WB's stock has been in the shitter." When you say, "Now more than ever," it implies today, NOW. Right now, ALL stocks are in the shitter.

Fantastic Four isn't a problem for Superman, Jurassic World: Rebirth is. It comes out the week before.

I disagree. At this point in time, many people are not going to go see more than one movie this summer, especially more than one CBM, and doubly especially if the given CBM's are all DC and Marvel. 10yrs ago, you would be right. Summer of 2025, you are wrong, IMO.

[verslibre]

No, sir, the cite of WB's stock value from 2021 is simply to show where it should be. I don't need to include any data beyond that. I can see you still like to play the nitpick game.

"Many people are not going to go see more than one movie this summer, especially more than one CBM" is nothing more than an assumption on your part. I know people who are excited to see all these movies. One of my closest friends finds herself at the theater every single week and is definitely going to watch all of the July tentpoles. Look, I didn't think this Minecraft movie that just opened would make any coin, and boy, was I proven wrong!

Maybe it's finally time to give this thread its proper Viking funeral and put it out of its misery.

[Monker]

No, sir, the cite of WB's stock value from 2021 is simply to show where it should be. I don't need to include any data beyond that. I can see you still like to play the nitpick game.

No, it should not be higher. Even the rerelease of Justice League did not do as predicted and bring a lot of people to subscribe to Max. The ONLY recent DCU movie that I remember doing anything on release was Aquaman. WB/has had other hits outside of DC, such as the two Dune movies and Barbie...but they still struggle. Max also drags them down as they still are not a major player competing with Netflix and Disney+. And, again, everything is down anyway...there is no reason to believe WB, or even Disney, should be doing better.

"Many people are not going to go see more than one movie this summer, especially more than one CBM" is nothing more than an assumption on your part. I know people who are excited to see all these movies. One of my closest friends finds herself at the theater every single week and is definitely going to watch all of the July tentpoles.

The full affect of the tariffs will be here by July. If she loses her job, I doubt she is going to spend nearly $100 this summer to see CBM movies.

Look, I didn't think this Minecraft movie that just opened would make any coin, and boy, was I proven wrong

Then you are not paying attention. Video game movies are the new "thing". Super Mario Brothers, the Sonic movies, Even things like Arcane and "Last of Us" are huge successes. "Five Nights At Freddy's" was a surprise hit. Even a mediocre movie like Monster Hunter did OK. I did not want a stupid Minecrap movie to be successful, but I knew it would be. It's what kids want to watch now.

And, if DC were smart (which they are not), they would adapt the Batman: Arkham games. That would be a HUGE success.

And, if Disney were paying attention, they would have grabbed the Zelda movie, which would have been a perfect match...instead Sony got it and Sony doing a movie with Nintendo is weird. I would like to see a Metroid movie...if Sony partners with Nintendo to do that, I would be very happy. Then, of course, Sony owns God of War which could be awesome Amazon series....God of War could be a huge hit for WB and Sony and put Rock back in the limelight after his stupid Black Adam stunts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X2h3SF7gd4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5BWA50BUEE

Anyway, Sony Entertainment is kicking ass right now.

Then there is Marvel doing the reverse and having HUGE success with Marvel Rivals and stealing the players that Blizzard's Overwatch once had. And, BTW, if Blizzard were smart, which they were/are not, they would have released an Overwatch movie a LONG time ago...now it is far too late. When "Ready Player One" came out, they should have already had plans for an Overwatch movie since some Overwatch characters were Easter Eggs on that show. Well, actually, EVERYTHING is an Easter Egg on that show.

[verslibre]

Then you are not paying attention.

It's not that important to me.

[Monker]

Then you are not paying attention.

It's not that important to me.

Considering how into CBM's you are, I would expect that the trend away from CBM's and towards VGM's would matter...especially since you seem to enjoy following the entertainment industry. If a video game franchise creates a cinematic universe in the way that Marvel did, and has their own version of Infinity War/End Game, it will matter to everybody. Sony and/or Nintendo have the ability to do that. I also would not count out Blizzard/Microsoft. On it's own, Blizzard already did a mediocre "World of Warcraft" movie...now they have combined finances of Microsoft. They could reboot Starcraft and develop movies for that alongside new games. You do know that Microsoft own Minecrap, right? Your talking about multi-billion dollar franchises that already exist doing nothing more than transitioning to a 2hr movie. Ghost of Tsushima would have been an INCREDIBLE movie. A VGM universe/franchise comparable to Marvel is going to happen at some point and all this DC vs Marvel will mean nothing...Sony/Nintendo vs Blizzard/Microsoft could be the next cinema 'war'. Nintendo fans have been waiting for DECADES for a Zelda movie...it could be as big as LotR...and that is NOT an exaggeration.

[Abitaman]

Well, somebody has lost his penchant for loquaciousness.

Well, you made me go look a word up

[RedWingFan]

Not hearing good things about the test screenings. The suit doesn't look good (and people laugh when they first see it). The movie doesn't feature a linear narrative, but I guessed that a long time ago. Still no full trailer, and Gunn chose not to screen it at Cinema Con (which is going on right now).

I want to take my 18 y.o. son and 12 and 9 year old girls to see it. I'm not excited to see it though. Admittedly, I know nothing about golden age Superman. Hoping it doesn't suck.

[Monker]

Well, from what I am reading, Superman is supposed to be very, very good.

[Monker]

This is what I will say about it. Imagine if Gunn remade "Superman The Movie". That is what it is like...and I thought it was pretty good. Most parts I really liked, a few parts I didn't. Overall, I liked it about as much as "Man of Steel". There are some character traits in this version of Superman that I didn't like. I liked Green Lantern...he had some great scenes. Krypto was actually pretty good, too. Both of those things I did not think I would like much. Lex Luther was portrayed brilliantly...so much better than BvS...which was HORRIBLE. There were some things about Lex's "plan" that were "huh?" moments...could have been written better. The Lois/Superman "relationship" was a bit annoying to me. The story itself is good enough...I will not say it is awesome writing or anything...but it was OK.

What I will say is if you LOVE MoS and HATE the GotG movies, you are probably not going to like this. This is not copying the GotG formulae per se...but that style that Gunn has is very much here. And, IMO, I like the GotG movies better.

For me, I look forward to the next movie. I hope they improve on some of the character traits I don't like. There are obvious hints towards a "Justice League" movie...but I hope it is a few years away to give the characters some time to grow.

Also, as a side note, I think I will end up liking Fantastic 4 a bit more....it's just seems more me'ish.