Journey goes into the STUDIO this week!

by **atthistime** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:56 am

re-retract

by **yak** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:16 am

Eric wrote:Can't you see athistime driving around listening to FTLOSM for 10 years in a row now.....HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH.....No really, it is a great CD...HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

And the CD is BLASTING, and everybody is staring at her. :lol:

What a time-warp visual that is! :lol:

Perry couldn't stop the name Journey name from being used because he DOESN'T own it. So get over it. He doesn't give two smelly Portuguese farts about whatever fan base he has left either.

I agree Andrew! Enough of the thread hijacking already!! That must be their motive, since they have nothing else concrete to talk about. :roll:

by **atthistime** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:49 am

Your right! I do listen to FTLOSM a lot but the best way to enjoy that album is with earbuds. I have an old cassette of it and it sounds so great as there are no distractions and it sounds like Perry is in your head. It's my special vacation tape and I have yet to tire of it......So sue me.

by **Playitloudforme** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:05 am

yakov wrote:
Perry couldn't stop the name Journey name from being used because he DOESN'T own it. So get over it. He doesn't give two smelly Portuguese farts about whatever fan base he has left either.

I agree Andrew! Enough of the thread hijacking already!! That must be their motive, since they have nothing else concrete to talk about. [/b][/color]

??? Sorry, but I see this as hijacking too.

If we are truly NOT going to go there (hijacking of threads), it has to work on both sides of the camp. Name calling, whether to Perry (such as smelly Portuguese farts as listed above), the current line-up (terms such as Un-Journey), or the members of this forum (waaay too many to mention), should not be happening, ever. As adults, we don't need to go to that level.

It has been my observation that nearly every thread, no matter who started it, no matter what topic, ends up being a case of kids kicking other kids in the sand. Claims are stated as if they are fact, and then the wars begin, a war with no winner.

There's too many logical, level-headed people in my world to interact with, so I choose to discuss with them, not here. Which is a shame, because Andrew puts on this FABULOUS site... and there can't seem to be a forum discussion here without it being lowered to name calling.

Do what you want...I'm sure you will anyway, no matter what I say or suggest. I just miss adult conversation, that's all.

Goodbye all.

by **Paul_UK** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:25 am

My thoughts exactly PILFM. This forum (well, this particular section of it anyway) has become a pathetic place. Its a shame that the usual suspects have ruined it for those who want to have a decent conversation about this great band.

by **Andrew** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:32 am

Yakov - your post while supporting mine, is an indication of why fighting will continue unless some people change their habits.

There was no need to bait Perry fans with your extra comments.

by **atthistime** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:34 am

Hey, you guys stay! Andrew will close down if you leave.

I promise to stay away this time and that ought to help a lot.

Journey on! :arrow:

Anyway, I just lost my respect for Andrew!

by **Guest** » Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:29 pm

Monker wrote:
mystichealer wrote:I am all for hearing new Journey stuff 'jrnyjetster', but i am hoping for more Arrival sounding stuff and nothing even remotely similar to Red 13.

NO you're not. You are only loosely dedicated to Journey. Or, were you exagerating when you said, "I would love to hear something from the man again, far more so than i wish to hear something new by the present incarnation of the band Journey" You have to be exagerating in one of these statements...Either that or you are flat out lying.

Your ability to reach higher levels of being a total jerk off never ceases to amaze me.... :roll:

by **mystichealer** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:35 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
mystichealer wrote:I loved Arrival, hated Red 13. Perry's stuff would be more Journey sounding than new Journey. Know what i mean?

How close minded.
Since when must Journey adhere to only one sound?
The band's music has been changing since the group's inception.

Red 13 sounded like Journey to me.
Maybe not outdated, synthesizer ladden 80's Journey, but it was still Journey

'Close Minded'?? What are you on about?
When have i stated that Journey should stick to one type of sound.

I am fully aware of the changing sound of Journey through the years thanks.
Red 13 did not sound like Journey (to me anyway). Could you seriously say to me that if you heard stuff from that ep on the radio you would know instantly who it was? You wouldn't have, as it was so different and in the bands own words it was an 'Experimental sound'.

All i said was that i loved Arrival (well, most of it) but hated Red 13, and that i hoped the new cd (if there is one) is more Arrival sounding than Red 13. Seems that you are another one then who just because the band Journey put something new out 'its just gotta be soooo good', when it blatantly aint.

MH

by **perryfaithful** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:01 am

atthistime wrote:Hey, you guys stay! Andrew will close down if you leave.

I promise to stay away this time and that ought to help a lot.

Journey on!

Anyway, I just lost my respect for Andrew!

For Cryin' out loud....what is THIS all about??

by **yak** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:06 am

Andrew wrote:Yakov - your post while supporting mine, is an indication of why fighting will continue unless some people change their habits.

There was no need to bait Perry fans with your extra comments.

You are right Andrew. :wink:

I have a lot of respect for you and your board.

I was not the one baiting people though. But it's your board, so expect, and enjoy, their little knife blades here and there. I was not however, attempting to hijack anything. I wouldn't stoop that low.

Since when is a Journey fan on a Journey board hijacking something anyway? :roll:

Perry has been gone for years, and I am waiting with Open Arms for that new Journey music.

Hope it's kickass, and PLEASE no more sappy love ballad nostalgia this time around.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:01 am

mystichealer wrote:
When have i stated that Journey should stick to one type of sound.

I am fully aware of the changing sound of Journey through the years thanks.

So you readily admit that the band’s sound has always been changing since the very beginning and that (for the most part) they haven’t adhered to any set-in-stone, formulaic, shake n’ bake, automated, quick- fix Journey recipe for creating new music?
Good. So far I agree with you.
Since the band’s music has always changed through the years, and is encompassing of so many different influences (the R&B stylings of Sam Cooke, the raw live fusion synergy of Santana, the Julliard-trained classically influenced keyboarding of Jonathan Cain) wouldn’t you agree with me that it’s essentially a fool’s errand to even attempt to stereotype or summarize just what exactly constitutes the definitive Journey sound?
Ergo, wouldn’t you also agree that perhaps equally as foolish (if not moreso), would be to have some sort of pre-set expexctant requisites to be met by each impending release by a band of such an admittedly musically capricious nature?

mystichealer wrote: Red 13 did not sound like Journey (to me anyway). Could you seriously say to me that if you heard stuff from that ep on the radio you would know instantly who it was? You wouldn't have, as it was so different

Yeah, but umm buddy, if you heard “I’m Gonna leave You” on the radio and then switched stations and heard "Wheel in the Sky” (ignoring your current comprehensive knowledge on all things Journey) could you honestly say to me that you would know it’s the same band? If while listening to “Winds of March” you then hear “Keep on Runnin” would you even think these two songs shared any of the same band members whatsoever? I mean, their vocalists would sound pretty similar but musically speaking?- not even close. The Rolie Years and the Cain years are worlds apart in sound. The“Escape” album sounds nothing like anything come before it. One more time in case I haven’t made my point; when you listen to ROR and hear “positive touch” and then give Arrival a spin and put on “Higher Place” do those two songs sound remotely related in even the slightest correlational way?
No!
No!
No!
And
NO!

The only pre-set expectation a Journey fan should ever have when he or she picks up the latest Journey release is that it will be quaility. I, for one, think Red 13 kicks some serious arse and while it may be too hard edged for some tastes, it undeniably shows Journey (at what up until now has always remained esoteric, at best) in all their rarely seen, full blazing hard rocking potentiality.

mystichealer wrote: When have i stated that Journey should stick to one type of sound.
I am fully aware of the changing sound of Journey through the years thanks.
Red 13 did not sound like Journey (to me anyway)

Within your above quote you’ve done my work for me and undermined your very own point. You say the band’s sound isn’t fixed, has never been fixed and it has always been mutating through the years as different players came and went within the band. Then you go ahead and proceed to tell me that Red 13 sucks because it sounds nothing like Journey?
Huh?
What does that even mean exactly?
Do you mean (as I stated initially) that Red 13 sounds nothing like a particular era of the band that you’re perhaps, personally the most fond of?
Now that I could understand and respect.

mystichealer wrote: All i said was that i loved Arrival (well, most of it) but hated Red 13, and that i hoped the new cd (if there is one) is more Arrival sounding than Red 13 (to me anyway)

Umm, again, you're error light is showing.
To say that you are fully aware that change has always been an integral part of what made this band so great and then to say their latest album sucked cuz it didn’t sound enough like the last album enough is schizophrenic in nature and down right absurd in it’s duplicty.
I must ask, are you blind to your own flagrant hypocrisy, sir? You just said the band’s sound has always been changing and now you complain that their latest release sucks because it doesn’t sound anything like their last one?
Pssst. Here’s a clue…-maybe that’s because the band has different members now and the sound is changing. Much like how “Escape” sounds much much different from "Infinity", "Evolution" or "Departure".
Ever think of that?

Besides, on the rare occasion when Journey does deliberately attempt to *sound* like Journey, or appease what they or the studio*thinks* a Journey song is expected to sound like by the mainstream, we (the avid Journeyphile/consumer) end up with the same trite, recycled, lovey-dovey mopey trash differentiating from previous songs only by being adorned with a shiny new ribbon and price tag. Look no further than the sap-tacular surplus of ballads on Arrival.
Look at “With Your Love”, for example- here they tried to indite a modern day “Open Arms” for the Auggie era and instead, ended up looking like creatively exhausted old men who have resorted to shamelessly pilfering ideas from their very own catalog. It’s best to let the music bloom organically within the natural dynamic of the group and not be boxed in to sound like Journey circa 1979, '85 or whenever.

mystichealer wrote: Seems that you are another one then who just because the band Journey put something new out 'its just gotta be soooo good', when it blatantly aint.

No, if that were the case I’d have subjected myself to repeated listenings of ROR until I awaken from my drum machine, pink spandex, & 80’s pop induced coma now fully convinced that the album is in everyway a worthy invaluable addition to the Journey catalog. Much like what half of this board does with any album Perry so much as even wheezes on or manages to gather enough strength to pucker his cheeks together and whistle a halfway audible tune.

I don’t care for everything Journey does (ROR) but I do happen to like the majority of it and that includes Red 13.

by **mystichealer** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:47 pm

The sole reason for me NOT liking Red 13 isn't that to me it doesn't sound like Journey, but that the songs themselves are absolutely SHIT. The whole sound of it is Shit (with a capital S). The vocals are so in the background its unbelievable, let the man sing for gods sake. The melody just isn't there. Its so badly produced, i have heard better sounding demo's. That is the reason for me not liking the thing. It's not Journey, its the Neal Schon band.

If this is the way the next release is going to sound then Schon can shove his guitar right where it fuckin hurts as far as i'm concerned.

I will always be a fan of the band though, believe it or not, right up to and including Arrival.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:20 am

mystichealer wrote: If this is the way the next release is going to sound then Schon can shove his guitar right where it fuckin hurts as far as i'm concerned. Its so badly produced, i have heard better sounding demo's.

Well, I believe a few of Neal's solo cds were produced by Neal in Jon's home studio (much like Red 13). The upcoming "SoulSirkus" cd was also produced at Jon's home studio w/ Neal largely at the helm.
We'll see if you think that sounds like crap, as well.

mystichealer wrote: I will always be a fan of the band though, believe it or not, right up to and including Arrival.

Hate to break it to yah....
Some 50% of Red 13's so-called insufferable "shit" tracks were actually left overs from that highly reverred Arrival album you're so currently enamored with.

mystichealer wrote:The vocals are so in the background its unbelievable, let the man sing for gods sake.

I'm sorry. I just don't hear that. I really wish I could. A select group of fans have reapted that claim ad-nauseum. Maybe you guys need better cd players. On all 4 tracks, Augeri's vocals really shine and alot of that is due to how prominent he is in the mix. I know many of you claim he sounds muddled or hidden, but I don't. In fact, on certain Arrival tracks I always felt he was kept too low in the mix. I think he sounds great. His delivery on WAFTE is absolutely dead-on. He makes the song. I also believe he really comes into his own and finally finds his own bluesy-rock vocal niche on The Time.

mystichealer wrote:The melody just isn't there.

It's not?

Sounds catchy enough to me.
Hear, sing along now....
"Time you lost, time you found, time that makes the world go 'round, time to change your mind..time, time, time, time."

Me?-Well, I personally love all 4 tracks. The only one that seems a tad lyrically underdeveloped is State of Grace. Still a good song though.
The others are all GREAT tracks.
But hey, I know plenty of people that don't dig the cd.

Some people like Journey & Neal to take the gloves off and do what they does best: rock out, while others prefer them to play it safe and keep delivering lukewarm, backstreet boys-ish, bubble gum, sacchrine sing-alongs such as the dire Open Arms-wannabe "With your Love'-, it's cool though.
To each his own.

by **mystichealer** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:42 am

Well aware (again) of certain songs from Red 13 being leftovers from Arrival thanks. Ever wondered just why they never made it onto that cd in the end? Quite possibly because they are shit, or that Sony thought they were shit. Anyways who cares (imo) they're shit.

Have had an advance copy of the Soul SirkUS cd for a while, and its very cool, and rocks hard. It actually sounds pretty good production wise. It sounds a lot better than Red 13 production anyway, so no complaints from me on that score.

You know,i don't think i have heard a solo cd by Neal for many years, as they don't interest me. Soul SirkUS on the other hand are a tad different though to Neal's usual solo stuff as it features the quite wonderful vocal talents of Jeff Scott Soto, so i would buy it anyway even if Schon wasn't on it. I would buy it because JSS's on it.

God damn it, we agree again on something 'To each his own'. Hey, we are gonna have to stop agreeing like this 'NC', people are gonna start talking. :wink:

Thanks for the pm. I shall be in touch in the next couple of days.

MH