Classic Journey

[heardonthestreet]

I ended by writing that I was speaking for myself. Sorry if I made it too difficult for you to understand.

[heardonthestreet]

NC. You go listen to the new music where you feel that the singer is a bad choice or else enjoy Journey/Perry the way Journey is best enjoyed. It grows better with age.

[PROPERRY]

I realize that the Journey/Perry fans are at a disadvantage here as most won't post here because of the personal attacks.

And you predicated that on what exactly? Where's your scientific data? If these fans don't post here, how do you know they are afraid to post? How do you know they have even seen this poll? How do you know they even exist?
Oh, you don't know?
So you are pretty much guessing and what your saying is a load of hot trash not to be taken seriously.
Ok. I got it.

So far, I think that the poll shows an accurate account of who posts here. You have to give some of us credit for posting in such hostile territory.

Awww, you brave soldier, you. Want a medal?

We are few but we are hardcore Journey fans, meaning that we want only Perry singing the songs.

Good for you. I'm glad. Now go listen to your Perry albums and stop wasting my bandwith with your incessant bitching.

I believe the majority that post here are fans of the current line up, and ONLY a few "Perry fans" do post here because of "a few who" attack, so aggressively to posts that DIFFER from their point of view.

I Know that is why I don't post here all the time. I just believe that when people get so hostile with "different points of views" it shows that they are insecure with themselves, so now, I think I'll stick around here & hope more Perry fans come back here too.

Lori

[heardonthestreet]

[LAWoman]

So what's the point of the poll exactly? What's the point of debating a decision that belongs to other people and happened about 7 years ago?

[Rockindeano]

You have to sort of look at this poll, and think a bit....What sense does this poll bring to the table? Nothing really. The decision is not ours, and the people who made that decision stand by it today.

If your house is painted "Snowflake White," and is in desperate need of repainting, and you go to repaint your house with the same colour, and "Snowflake White" is no longer available, do you not repaint it? Uh, no, you probably select another colour similar or a different colour because it works...

No offence HOTS, but is a dated if not confrontational poll, but I respect it, and I did vote...for a new singer to Journey to new frontiers

[The_Noble_Cause]

NC. You go listen to the new music where you feel that the singer is a bad choice or else enjoy Journey/Perry the way Journey is best enjoyed.

Hey, you no-good, dirty-ass liar.
I have said repeatedly that I think Augeri was a great (albeit a tad unconventional) choice. With that said, I am still open minded enough to examine whether there may have been even greater choices out there. There's no harm in that. That's what message boards are for. To ponder aloud on all the "what if's" and "what could have been's".
If Augeri was a bad choice I would have stopped being a fan and I would stop coming here. See, unlike you I have an ability of "letting go" when I no longer like something. Actually, most people are capable of doing that. You are a select deranged few.
If I like what I hear I continue to be a fan. It's that simple.
Similar to how my friends stopped being fans of Van Halen during the Hagar era.
So stop distorting my words, you dirty-ass liar.
I am a fan of every incarnation of this band (eh ok, not so much ROR, ).

[PROPERRY]

You have to sort of look at this poll, and think a bit....What sense does this poll bring to the table? Nothing really. The decision is not ours, and the people who made that decision stand by it today.

If your house is painted "Snowflake White," and is in desperate need of repainting, and you go to repaint your house with the same colour, and "Snowflake White" is no longer available, do you not repaint it? Uh, no, you probably select another colour similar or a different colour because it works...

No offence HOTS, but is a dated if not confrontational poll, but I respect it, and I did vote...for a new singer to Journey to new frontiers

I'm not trying to be confrontational here with you at all, but you ask what did this poll bring to the table?

Well I would ask what does Noble Cause bring to the table by having the thread Augeri Choice... Wrong Choice Debate????

Isn't that discussion a bit dated too, since Augeri has been with the band for how many years now?? The band has already made their decision about who is the current lead singer,so why is it the thread by NC is accepted here, but a poll for Steve Perry is not accepted & is considered dated????????

The way I see it, if NC can post that thread, then this poll should be no problem to anyone else either.


Lori

[yak]

So what's the point of the poll exactly? What's the point of debating a decision that belongs to other people and happened about 7 years ago?

They are Desperate Housewives, minus the sex, so they come here looking for their excitement.

[perryfaithful]

Well I would ask what does Noble Cause bring to the table by having the thread Augeri Choice... Wrong Choice Debate????

Isn't that discussion a bit dated too, since Augeri has been with the band for how many years now?? The band has already made their decision about who is the current lead singer,so why is it the thread by NC is accepted here, but a poll for Steve Perry is not accepted & is considered dated????????

The way I see it, if NC can post that thread, then this poll should be no problem to anyone else either.


Lori

EXCELLENT points Lori!!

[perryfaithful]

That's what message boards are for. To ponder aloud on all the "what if's" and "what could have been's".
).

.......... but a few posts earlier you are asking others for SCIENTIFIC DATA for their posts. Make up your mind!!

Seems like you will swing this way or that way...what ever it takes to ATTEMPT to fend off a fan of Steve Perry! think no one connects the dots here????

[yak]

Heardonthestreet started this thread just to make trouble. When things reach a boiling point, which was her first and foremost intention, she will do a shout out to Andrew and tell him to close the place down.

As usual Street, you are all hot air and no substance. Because you never want to answer the tough questions about your 56 year old tarnished idol.
Things like "where's the proof he had hip surgery? We KNOW what he says, but where's the PROOF??? And why is it veiled in such secrecy if it did occur?

This is important, because it's the excuse he used that made Journey wait for him to no avail. Then Journey went on without him and all hell broke loose with Perryites.

And, why didn't he want to answer any daughter questions, like did he have one in the first place? Everybody KNOWS he does. Maybe she is the reason for his breakup with Sherrie, and it's a sore spot with him. Otherwise why the secrecy? Why not acknowledge your child?

Perry has said he doesn't have any plans....then he hints that he might be "thinking" about doing something.

The old dude still knows how to keep a woman at arm's length, yet still interested. What a phony.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Sigh.
Your contrived attempts to catch me in a hypocritical statement are soooo easily repudiated.
Go lie down, girly.
You really stink at this whole "arguing" thing.

That's what message boards are for. To ponder aloud on all the "what if's" and "what could have been's".
).

.......... but a few posts earlier you are asking others for SCIENTIFIC DATA for their posts. Make up your mind!!

That is correct. A poster made the allegation that "I realize that the Journey/Perry fans are at a disadvantage here as most won't post here because of the personal attacks." and I asked how did he infer such a conclusion. He wasn't "wondering aloud", he was making a comment disguised as fact that was actually based on nothing. He didn't know why exactly more Perry fans weren't contributing to his stupid poll. Fuck. He didn't even know if there were any reticent Perry fans looking at his thread to speak of.
That isn't wondering aloud. The scientific term for that is "making shit up".

Wondering aloud goes something like this, "I wonder if Augeri was the right choice?" or "I wonder what the band would sound like if Rolie never left"....that's what I mean by wondering aloud and discussing the "whatifs" and "whatcould havebeens" on rock message boards.

Seems like you will swing this way or that way...what ever it takes to ATTEMPT to fend off a fan of Steve Perry!

Wrong again. When someone, anyone, makes a claim, I like to see where he/she gets their info. from. Unlike yourself I don't easily accept the veracity of something on sheer blind faith. No wonder you are still sitting around 20 years later twiddling your thumbs waiting for Perry to fulfill his promise of touring.

think no one connects the dots here????

No one has to.

YOU were the one caught editing articles & omitting select quotes to peddle your agenda here. No one needs to cross any dots when it comes to you.

[jrnyman28]

I'm fully aware that Perry was replaced & Journey has moved on without him. There will always be a part of me that misses the Journey with Steve Perry, but I would be just as thrilled to have him return solo!!!

Lori

FOR SURE! But this thread/poll was whether or not Journey should have continued on without Perry.


Yes or No??

So far it appears to be a resounding YES!

[Abitaman]

IF, Perry gets back into the Music business, it needs to be a solo artist. This way it will not mess Journey up-ERIC (But I do not expect, or sit here waiting for that to happen)

[Journeynut]

The poll is irrelevant. You will find your answer in the tally of sales of CDs and DVDs.

I realize that the Journey/Perry fans are at a disadvantage here as most won't post here because of the personal attacks. I had hoped that they might be able to post an opinion without their posts having to be picked apart or dissed.
So far, I think that the poll shows an accurate account of who posts here. You have to give some of us credit for posting in such hostile territory. We are few but we are hardcore Journey fans, meaning that we want only Perry singing the songs. I'm speaking for myself anyway

Perry fans do not come here to talk about Journey.Most have been long gone

[Monker]

The poll is irrelevant. You will find your answer in the tally of sales of CDs and DVDs.

LOL. One does not reflect the other. You have CD sales from 10yrs ago, up to 30yrs ago. so what? If Perry had continued in Journey, you have NO IDEA what the current numbers would be for Arrival. To compare TBF, Ror, Frontiers, Escape, and GH to Arrival is irrelevant.

The poll is also irrelevant, except to show the type of people who post to and read this forum. Well, until people start recruiting on other forums to get people to up the numbers.

The bottom line is that Journey continues on, whether Perry fans like it or not. There is absolutely NOTHING you can do about it, except to not buy the albums or concert tickets. But, after seven years of doing that, Perry fans have not stopped Journey yet...and I doubt they ever will.

[sngrchk04]

The poll is also irrelevant, except to show the type of people who post to and read this forum.

I don't think so.

Monker, you know how long I've been on these type of boards....going on 4years now, right?

And, I was the BIGGEST "they-betrayed-him!-they-should've-waited!-Augeri-is-no-Perry!" supporter.....well, 4 years and a ton of water under the bridge LATER, I actually voted for "Journey made the right choice and moved on"!

You know why?

Because I finally moved on.

[yak]

The poll is irrelevant. You will find your answer in the tally of sales of CDs and DVDs.

Would this poll still be irrelevent if your 56 year old tarnished idol had come out on top????

THAT is the question........

At least WE have a CD to look forward to...oh yeah, and a tour!

[heardonthestreet]

Again, thanks to those who took part in this poll.

LMAO at you posters who bitched about this poll being dated and confrontational. YOU VOTED, DIDN'T YOU? Instead of bitchin, go start your own topic.

[yak]

go start your own topic.

Why, are you itching to muck up a new thread so soon

Or is it bothering you to look at the tallies in your poll every time you come to this thread?


Why don't you ever answer any of the tough questions??

[Journeynut]

The poll is irrelevant. You will find your answer in the tally of sales of CDs and DVDs.

Would this poll still be irrelevent if your 56 year old tarnished idol had come out on top????

THAT is the question........

At least WE have a CD to look forward to...oh yeah, and a tour!

Yes the poll would still be irrelevant. I am not sure what you mean by tarnished idol.
Journey will never be what it was. No matter how many new Cds or tours they do or who else sings lead.

[Journeynut]

The poll is irrelevant. You will find your answer in the tally of sales of CDs and DVDs.

LOL. One does not reflect the other. You have CD sales from 10yrs ago, up to 30yrs ago. so what? If Perry had continued in Journey, you have NO IDEA what the current numbers would be for Arrival. To compare TBF, Ror, Frontiers, Escape, and GH to Arrival is irrelevant.

The poll is also irrelevant, except to show the type of people who post to and read this forum. Well, until people start recruiting on other forums to get people to up the numbers.

The bottom line is that Journey continues on, whether Perry fans like it or not. There is absolutely NOTHING you can do about it, except to not buy the albums or concert tickets. But, after seven years of doing that, Perry fans have not stopped Journey yet...and I doubt they ever will.

True, nothing will stop Journey so there you go...
We shall see how this tour goes....most are tired of the
greatest hits tour....if Neal fails to keep his word and
does not produce some new music soon then I think
people will not be willing to buy a ticket this year...
Time will tell.

[The_Noble_Cause]

if Neal fails to keep his word and
does not produce some new music soon then I think
people will not be willing to buy a ticket this year...
Time will tell.

That's the same line you guys have been spouting since the new lineup first formed. You say it at the beggining of every tour. Wake up, man! Look around you. It hasn't come true yet!
Why would it come true this summer?
The majority of mainstream ticket-buying consumers don't give a flying falafel whether or not Journey releases new stuff. Whether they play new songs or not has no bearing on the casual listener's inclination towards purchasing a ticket-and that's where the majority of their revenue comes from (the mainstream masses, not the 5 people at the concert who are registered members on BT).

As Jon Cain has said about when he goes to see Aerosmith...
..."I want to hear the hits!"

Same with Journey. As long as they keep playing the hits, they will earn a very handsome profit summer after summer.

We shall see how this tour goes....most are tired of the
greatest hits tour....

Ticket sales over the past 7 years seem to indicate otherwise.
A "few" people will be saddened if the guys don't play new stuff (me included) but not "most".
"Most" people really don't give a hoot.

For better or worse, that's become the nature of the classic rock business.
All old acts are forced to rely largely on thier hits.

[heardonthestreet]

Great Post N.C.! Like Neal said. It's a greatest hits band.

Tell that to Yak so he'll quit his daydreaming.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Great Post N.C.! Like Neal said. It's a greatest hits band.

Yes, sadly, that is the current nature of their business.

However, it doesn't deter from my enjoyment of the shows or my anticipation of the new material or my admiration for these musicians' talent.
Besides, the guys pepper the shows with enough rareities or new songs to keep this fan contented. However, I can imagine some fans would get fed up with hearing Separate Ways for the 700000th time.
But hey, the guys gotta play the hits. There's no way around that.

[SF-Dano]

I am a fan of Journey with Perry. I am a fan of Journey without Perry.

In my opinion, from interviews and quotes I have read over the past few months and years, Steve Perry could be back as lead singer of Journey today if he wanted to. I think Neal and Jon would have him back right away with dollar signs in their eyes. Unfortunately, in my opinion, this would not be the best thing for Journey and I hope it never happens.

[perryfaithful]

Great Post N.C.!
Tell that to Yak

His evil twin?

[loveperry]

I see all of your points but what has Journey done since Steve stopped singing with them?? I haven't heard one hit on the radio with Steve A. as the lead singer. I think the combo of all of the guys together made excellant music and with Steve Perry's voice the music came alive. I really don't want to argue, we all have the right to our own opinions but there is no voice out there to replace the voice and talent of Steve Perry. He hasn't been able to do any recording because of the 7 year agreement with the other guys for no competition during that time. I'm sure he has been enjoying his down time and I'm sure now that he is free of all committments he will be gracing us with more of his great talent. Have you heard Steve Perry ever say anything bad about the other guys??? But on the other hand the rest of the group has said many bad things about Steve Perry. We all recognize they are all talented men but when they made music together magic happened. I read somewhere that the fans trumped the reviewers and I think that still stands as the sales of Journey's with Steve still out sells the new music with out him. Thank you for letting me have my say and my vote is for them to have waited for Steve Perry or they could/should have started another group with their talent.

[perryfaithful]

but there is no voice out there to replace the voice and talent of Steve Perry. He hasn't been able to do any recording because of the 7 year agreement with the other guys for no competition during that time.

Whoa baby!!!!! Where did this come from?