Live Earth

[Rick]

You're supposed to have that idiot Al Gore's back.

That's better than backing this guy.

[BobbyinTN]

Bush sucks!

[G.I.Jim]

You're supposed to have that idiot Al Gore's back.

That's better than backing this guy.

[Rosebud]

Sadly, the surge really isn't working. There will be a troop pull out within 18 months, I'm certain of it. We didn't get to this stage of the game by losses on the battlefield. The left, virtually working hand in hand with Al Queda in the press, defeated us.

The left does not want us to win because they'll suffer politically. Although I was DREADFULLY mistaken in my early support for this war, I also recognize a pull out will create a much, much bigger problem. Thus I recognize the importance of getting the Iraqi government to stand on it's own, even though I doubt it'll happen.

The left rode to power in 2006 on the "WE HATE GEORGE BUSH" platform. Not original ideas. Not a new vision, no new direction. In the short time they've been in power, they've launched 300 congressional investigations. Granted, some of them are legitimate like the white house firing of the Federal prosecutors who didn't toe the Administration's line. Notice Johnny Sutton still has his job?

The blame for the sad state of the Republican party starts with our idiot president and flows down through the ranks to all the kool aid drinking Senators and Congressman who blindly followed this bumbling idiot through one catastrophe after the next.

24 months ago, I predicted Bush's legacy would be WORSE than Carters and most people thought that just wasn't possible. Nobody can top that.

I was right.

I would say to rate Bush lower than Carter would be to say that each
American's standard of living and opportunity in this country and abroad
would be less than in "Jimmy's" day. That is so obviously NOT true.
The economy is a global freight train driving worlwide economic
expansion. Gas prices are high but in regard to how high they were in
Jimmy's America they are very low, and we don't have to wait in line to
get it!

America may be a bit tarnished over Iraq, but why does everyone
still want to come here? Certainly NOT because we are not respected and
looked upon as impotent idiots as we were in Jimmy's America. We have a
president that sticks it to the enemy not one that negotiates with a
soft voice and a sweater, giving the enemy everything they want to get
the hostages back. Carter vs Bush? Bush would beat the crap out of
Jimmy and take his lunch and milk money!

[RedWingFan]

You're supposed to have that idiot Al Gore's back.

That's better than backing this guy.

I'll back him against Al-Qaida that say that Iraq IS the centerpiece of the war on terror. Keep chuckling while the big boys actually try to solve the problem

Al-Zawahiri Video Stresses Importance Of Iraq War
By LEE KEATH The Associated Press

Published: Jul 6, 2007


BAGHDAD - A new video by al-Qaida's deputy leader Thursday left no doubt about what the terror network claims is at stake in Iraq - describing it as a centerpiece of its anti-American fight and insisting the Iraqi insurgency is under its direct leadership.

But the proclamations by Ayman al-Zawahiri carried another unintended message: reflecting the current troubles confronting the Sunni extremists in Iraq, experts said.

The Islamic State of Iraq, the insurgent umbrella group that is claimed by al-Qaida, has faced ideological criticism from some militants, and rival armed groups have joined U.S. battles against it. A U.S.-led offensive northwest of Baghdad - in one of the Islamic State's strongholds - may temporarily have disrupted and scattered insurgent forces.

"Some of the developments suggest that it [the Islamic State] is more fragile than it was before," said Bruce Hoffman, a Washington-based terrorism expert at the Rand Corp. think tank.

Al-Zawahiri "is trying to replenish the Islamic State brand," he said. "It's time to reassert its viability, but how connected to reality that is is another issue."

U.S. forces have focused on al-Qaida-linked fighters in their security clampdowns in Baghdad and so-called belts around the city in recent weeks. That has brought an increase in U.S. casualties, but insurgent and militia attacks appear to have fallen.

Still, bloodshed can hit at any time. A car bomb Thursday killed 17 people and wounded 28 when it blasted a photographers' shop in a Shiite part of Baghdad. A bride and groom were inside having wedding photos taken as relatives and friends waited outside, said an official at the nearest police station. They both were wounded.

North of Baghdad, insurgents attacked an Iraqi police convoy, killing five officers. Other police then opened fire, killing six civilians.

In other attacks Thursday, two U.S. soldiers were killed and two were wounded by a roadside bomb in south Baghdad, the U.S. military said.

[Rick]

He just can't help himself.

[RedWingFan]

Sadly, the surge really isn't working. There will be a troop pull out within 18 months, I'm certain of it. We didn't get to this stage of the game by losses on the battlefield. The left, virtually working hand in hand with Al Queda in the press, defeated us.

The left does not want us to win because they'll suffer politically. Although I was DREADFULLY mistaken in my early support for this war, I also recognize a pull out will create a much, much bigger problem. Thus I recognize the importance of getting the Iraqi government to stand on it's own, even though I doubt it'll happen.

The left rode to power in 2006 on the "WE HATE GEORGE BUSH" platform. Not original ideas. Not a new vision, no new direction. In the short time they've been in power, they've launched 300 congressional investigations. Granted, some of them are legitimate like the white house firing of the Federal prosecutors who didn't toe the Administration's line. Notice Johnny Sutton still has his job?

The blame for the sad state of the Republican party starts with our idiot president and flows down through the ranks to all the kool aid drinking Senators and Congressman who blindly followed this bumbling idiot through one catastrophe after the next.

24 months ago, I predicted Bush's legacy would be WORSE than Carters and most people thought that just wasn't possible. Nobody can top that.

I was right.

I would say to rate Bush lower than Carter would be to say that each
American's standard of living and opportunity in this country and abroad
would be less than in "Jimmy's" day. That is so obviously NOT true.
The economy is a global freight train driving worlwide economic
expansion. Gas prices are high but in regard to how high they were in
Jimmy's America they are very low, and we don't have to wait in line to
get it!

America may be a bit tarnished over Iraq, but why does everyone
still want to come here? Certainly NOT because we are not respected and
looked upon as impotent idiots as we were in Jimmy's America. We have a
president that sticks it to the enemy not one that negotiates with a
soft voice and a sweater, giving the enemy everything they want to get
the hostages back. Carter vs Bush? Bush would beat the crap out of
Jimmy and take his lunch and milk money!

Yeah as soon as they come up with a "misery index" for the Bush economy like they did with Carter, a discussion could take place. The Ayatollah in Iran laughing saying Carter was, "running around like a headless chicken" during the hostage crisis. The Ayatollah then released them on the day of Reagan's inauguration. Yeah that Carter was great. What a joke

[JrnySuxBalls]

He just can't help himself.

Haha. I feel SO much safer now.

"You're working hard to put food on your family" - GWB

[Rosebud]

Yeah as soon as they come up with a "misery index" for the Bush economy like they did with Carter, a discussion could take place. The Ayatollah in Iran laughing saying Carter was, "running around like a headless chicken" during the hostage crisis. The Ayatollah then released them on the day of Reagan's inauguration. Yeah that Carter was great. What a joke

Exactly, inflation was out of control and mortgage
rates were almost 20% and sometimes higher. The economy was all but
wrecked and Carter could not figure a way out. He was a "talk softly
and let everyone walk over you" president. Bush obviously made a
mistake in Iraq, I don't believe he decieved or lied about potential WMD they were there, just gone now - talk to
Syria, Jordan and Russia about where they went.

I do believe they
greatly misjudged Iraq's ability to pull together all the sects to form
a unified self government. He gravely underestimated the potetential
for Iraqi Nationalism winning out over Religious sect loyalty.
Ironically, it was Jimmy Carters gutting of the CIA's human intelligence
networks that has probably lead to our fundamental misinterpretation of
Middle East loyalities and cultural underpinnings relating to Islam. He
(Carter) very deliberately cut the guts out of our ability to Spy on
foreign nations through human intervention. We have not had or
recruited foreign nationals to do this type of work until after the Gulf
War and then it was too late.

[Rick]

Ok, last ones.

[JrnySuxBalls]

Thank you SkyLorde! All I'm saying to all you people who just say "Me too" because they want to go with the flow, read for yourself and reserve judgement until you read something that didn't come from CNN, or someone like Al Gore. He has an agenda people!

And the oil companies don't? There's really not any money in energy, move along people....

[Skylorde]

I would say to rate Bush lower than Carter would be to say that each
American's standard of living and opportunity in this country and abroad
would be less than in "Jimmy's" day. That is so obviously NOT true.
The economy is a global freight train driving worlwide economic
expansion. Gas prices are high but in regard to how high they were in
Jimmy's America they are very low, and we don't have to wait in line to
get it!

America may be a bit tarnished over Iraq, but why does everyone
still want to come here? Certainly NOT because we are not respected and
looked upon as impotent idiots as we were in Jimmy's America. We have a
president that sticks it to the enemy not one that negotiates with a
soft voice and a sweater, giving the enemy everything they want to get
the hostages back. Carter vs Bush? Bush would beat the crap out of
Jimmy and take his lunch and milk money!

I did consider elaborating further in my original post however I was running out of time.

The "Bush Boondoggle Effect", as I like to call it, is just beginning. The "effects" of the Bush Presidency will be felt for years and years to come and IMHO, will only to get worse.

Here's why.

1) Immigration: between 15 and 30 million illegals are here (depending on who you ask). The vast majority of which came here not to assimilate but rather came here to take advantage of the system. How do I know? I worked in construction for 10 years and I live on the front lines: California. I am qualified to make that assessment.

Upwards of 10 billion dollars a year is wired back to Mexico from wages, drug profits, etc earned by illegals living here. The total amount of money wired back to Mexico (from the continental US) is over twice that however I do not have the figures so I won't quote exactly. I can tell you to totality of money wired back to Mexico from America is Mexico's SECOND largest income, only to oil.

BUT THEY PAY TAXES you might say. Another convenient lie by the sewer dwelling leftist open border crowd. Let's break it down. The vast, vast majority (90%+) are in the bottom tax bracket. For the ones who actually file a tax return (using a EIN number or stolen SS#), they won't pay any taxes because they don't make enough. They'll get a full return. For the ones claiming dependents, married, etc, they'll get their full return AND EIC (earned income credit) meaning they get back MORE than what they pay in.

The ones who have no plans to file a tax return typically file so many exemptions on their W9 that very little is withheld. The IRS being the whores that they are, NEVER EVER question a willing tax payer. Bottom line? Taking into account everything (public services, schools, fire, police, etc) Illegals on average TAKE 3 dollars for every dollar they pay in.

You do the math. Because of the high birthrate, the hispanic population that does not care about assimilation will balloon to 50,60 or 70 million in the next 25 years. The ripple effects of a culture that refuses to assimilate will have long lasting repercussions on America. Repercussions that could have been avoided had Bush performed the job he swore an oath to do: Protect the country, secure the borders.

Fuck this is a long post. Moving on to point 2

2) Globalization: Bush is a open borders loving globalist, that's no secret. Although I loathe big government, it is the governments duty to step up to the plate to protect the economic interests of the country when the greedy fuckin corporations want to take advantage of situations like: China's intentional and prolonged currency devaluation. This single aspect alone is responsible for the massive trade imbalance between America and China.

3) Spp.gov. I'm too fuckin tired to go into this other than to say the is the North American version of the European Union. Bush is behind this 100%. This makes Nafta look like a Pokeymon playground exchange.


These topics are just a few of the more prominent ones that come to mind, topics will that be Bush's legacy.

Historians will one day marvel that, as their Southwest was slipping away from the United States – demographically, linguistically and culturally – Americans were fighting to keep Iraq together. Remarkable. Foreigners are invading and occupying Arizona, while Americans are fighting for Anbar province.

[Rosebud]

Skylorde,
appreciate your words and I agree with you on those points. Let us remember though its not just Bush, it goes back to the choices happy clown Clinton made and all the people that advise and work for Bush now.
Overall, you are right on.

[Skylorde]

Skylorde,
appreciate your words and I agree with you on those points. Let us remember though its not just Bush, it goes back to the choices happy clown Clinton made and all the people that advise and work for Bush now.
Overall, you are right on.

Actually, the problem goes ALL the way back to Bush senior. I did construction all through the 90's and I watched the problem grow worse an d worse and worse. Clinton is culpable too however in light of the events of 9/11, I have a much stronger disdain for Curious George because the stakes were so much higher. He ran around like an idiot through two terms preaching "NATIONAL SECURITY!" while ignoring the borders.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh let's see. A recent reporter, independent I believe, was embedded with Al Quida and his report was broadcaste on NBC? CNN airing footage of one of their correspondents embedded with a Al Quida sniper, picking off US service men. Is that enough or would you like more?

Yes, I would like more.
What you said is a bold-faced lie and is exactly as it was repeated by Michael Savage and other bile-spewing uninformed hacks ad nauseum.
The footage was of terrorists sniping our troops.
All CNN is culpable of is adding English narration and a lack of ethics.
CNN gained it via intermediaries who dealt with the Islamic Army of Iraq.

Its a chilling commentary on where you get your facts from, when, each time I step into this thread, everything I see from you is pattently false.

Technically, you are correct although there is ample evidence to suggest Iraq's WMD was smuggled into Syria in the days leading up to the war. However, none were found and I'll concede that point.

Give it up.
If Satellite Intel decisively showed that, why didn't Bush make that case to the public?
It's not like he hasn't previously used any kernel of faulty info at his disposal to plead the WMD case.
Even the former head of the CIA, George "Slam Dunk" Tenet, is now on record saying Bush was going into Iraq, weapons or not.
The leaked British Intelligence Memo regarding the war said, "the facts were being fixed around the policy".
Rumsfeld and other admin. officials was talking about Iraq just days after the towers fell.
This doesn't even scratch the surface.
What about the PNAC Treaty?
And on and on and on...

[The_Noble_Cause]

However, it cannot be compared, even the least little bit, to the torture and death that happens and has happened on a regular basis by the other side in this war, yet the left would have you believe that we are the ones who are responsible for all manner of atrocities committed in this war.

It should go without saying that Americans are better than the enemy we fight.
I am amazed that such a fact even needs to be qualified - and it does quite frequently by the Right.
The brutalism displayed in Abu Ghraib is not lessened by the wanton savagery of the enemies we face.
Have things gotten so bad that we need constant reminders of "hey, well, at least we've yet to decapitate people!" just so that we can feel better about ourselves?

As far as sodomy and deaths in Abu Ghraib, I haven't heard of any credible evidence of that occurring. If it is, the criminals who committed it are just as subhuman as the terrorists committing them every day in Iraq.

I'd list a couple of prominent newspapers, but you'll instantaneously dismiss them as liberal, so fuck it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Those that were caught received the penalties they deserved, unlike those that beheaded innocents.

First you claim we are winning the PR-war (totally oblivious of the intolerant anti-US, Israel media that comprises the Middle East).
Then you say Al Queda is going down (totally oblivious to their re-grouping in Afghanistan or the political power they yield in Pakistan)
And now you say this, obviously totally clueless as to how high-up the chain of command this went.

I don't know where you web-fingered backwoods freaks get your news from.
But it aint left, it ain't right, and it's certainly not an accurate depiction of the world stage as we currently know it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Don't break you arm patting yourself on the back. Moore *WAS* in Cuba butt fucking Castro (probably giving him a reach around as well).

Right.
As if you don't circuitously support the Cuban Government?
Might want to better inspect the label on that box of stogies before u use one to sodomize yourself again.

Moore took 9-11 rescue workers with impaired respiratory systems to Cuba to get the healthcare they so desperately needed, as they were denied access of it here repeatedly.
Those men and women are heroes.

Achmedinijad, Castro --- whats the difference?

Yeah, just a forgiveable minor gaffe.
Kinda like mixing up Saddam/Osama, Afganistan/Iraq.
Who's counting, right?

[conversationpc]

I never said you hated it. It's that you don't care. Hey it's 100 years from now, I'll believe Ann Coulter.

You can't possibly be as stupid as this statement indicates. If I "don't care" then it logically follows that I must hate the earth, doesn't it??? Or perhaps you just happened to gloss over statements like this that I posted earlier in the thread...

Do I want dirty, nasty-smelling smog clogging the air? No, but I also don't want insane politicians enacting humongous tax increases to try to change something that is not going to change the climate. We should clean up what we can clean up, i.e. things like toxic waste dumps, dirty air in residential areas, etc., but let's not spend trillions of dollars on something that is not even remotely proven science.

I also posted a similar statement later on in this thread but you must've missed that one also.

[Saint John]

Those that were caught received the penalties they deserved, unlike those that beheaded innocents.

First you claim we are winning the PR-war (totally oblivious of the intolerant anti-US, Israel media that comprises the Middle East).
Then you say Al Queda is going down (totally oblivious to their re-grouping in Afghanistan or the political power they yield in Pakistan)
And now you say this, obviously totally clueless as to how high-up the chain of command this went.

I don't know where you web-fingered backwoods freaks get your news from.
But it aint left, it ain't right, and it's certainly not an accurate depiction of the world stage as we currently know it.

1) Where did I say that we are winning the PR war?
2) I said this war had "a long way to go."
3) No, I don't know. Enlighten me. Hard to respect the opinion of someone that can't spell "Al Qaeda." You're a jackass.

[Rockindeano]

1) Where did I say that we are winning the PR war?
2) I said this war had "a long way to go."
3) No, I don't know. Enlighten me. Hard to respect the opinion of someone that can't spell "Al Qaeda." You're a jackass.

SJ, TNC is pretty fuckin sharp. He is a little left of me,or Libertarian, but he is tough.

I disagree with both of you assholes on politics, and for that matter, disagree with all the GOP morons here as well.

You have had 7 years of complete rule. The fact of the matter is The USA is a joke, is fucked up, and now the world hates us for fucking IT up. Time is up, you are done, out of chances and excuses...Get the fuck off my TV...Get out of my Senate, my House, and My White House. In fact, get out of all three houses, and go straight to Hell.

[ohsherrie]

Aw shit. I clicked on this thread to see why it was still alive because I couldn't believe it could all be about Live Earth. I guess it is in a way, but I ain't goin' there.

Republicans who still think Dubya deserves to be supported are too fuckin' stoopud to waste my time arguing with.

[Skylorde]

You have had 7 years of complete rule. The fact of the matter is The USA is a joke, is fucked up, and now the world hates us for fucking IT up. Time is up, you are done, out of chances and excuses...Get the fuck off my TV...Get out of my Senate, my House, and My White House. In fact, get out of all three houses, and go straight to Hell.

Yea! Move over, let the left in there so they can steer this ship, right the wrongs, and just fix this mother fucker!

Seriously, I really do hope Hillary or Obama get in the white house because

1) Maybe the Republicans will wake up and remember their roots (doubtful)

2) Just like when the Republicans had all power, the left *will* *absolutely* *without a doubt* implode in a drunken power stupor, with Teddy boy leading the way of course with a toast.

As predicted, the left hasn't done squat since they've taken the house and senate. They didn't come to power on a platform of new ideas, a new vision, a new direction. The "WE FUCKING HATE GEORGE BUSH SO ELECT US!" platform can only carry them so far.

[lights1961]

1) Where did I say that we are winning the PR war?
2) I said this war had "a long way to go."
3) No, I don't know. Enlighten me. Hard to respect the opinion of someone that can't spell "Al Qaeda." You're a jackass.

SJ, TNC is pretty fuckin sharp. He is a little left of me,or Libertarian, but he is tough.

I disagree with both of you assholes on politics, and for that matter, disagree with all the GOP morons here as well.

You have had 7 years of complete rule. The fact of the matter is The USA is a joke, is fucked up, and now the world hateus for fucking IT up. Time is up, you are done, out of chances and excuses...Get the fuck off my TV...Get out of my Senate, my House, and My White House. In fact, get out of all three houses, and go straight to Hell.

partisian hack... haha.

BTW, RFK JR talked at live earth... what all smart people knew all along about global warming---that it is another socialism experience which means probably triple the taxes on businesses and NOT about the following: light bulbs, trash, bio fuels, its about more liberialism, socialism and HIGHER TAXES.....they want support by having guys that support this cause in politics...and anyone else is the enemy... This crises is greater than Iraq to these clowns...I beg to differ...basiclly GORE and his cronies dont care about you, they care about higher taxes for programs they support...

You can listen to the RFK JR ramblings at rush limbaugh's sight... no one else will dare use that clip ever I am sure.....
Listen to it and you half will say he is right on, the other half will say what crap...

no disrespect here, just stating the obvious.

Rick

[Rockindeano]

You make it sound as the "left" is all that bad. Hell, there is NOTHING worse than a conservative and that has been proven by the last 6.5 years. The GOP Congress has been awful and now you are all over the Dem Congress as being terrible. Dude, they have been in power for 8 months and only have the slightest majority. Next election, when a good junk of GOP's fall off, and a Dem president gets in, things will get better.

Hillary is not "left" by the way. She slightly left of center, not liberal. I do hope she gets in so we can get a pro choice Justice into the Supreme Court. The Court is scary as it now stands.

[RedWingFan]

The brutalism displayed in Abu Ghraib is not lessened by the wanton savagery of the enemies we face.
Have things gotten so bad that we need constant reminders of "hey, well, at least we've yet to decapitate people!" just so that we can feel better about ourselves?

Decapitate people? Child's play. How about cooking young boys for their parents dinner?

Thyestean feast? [Victor Davis Hanson]

Greek mythology often encapsulated an entire culture's worst fears and depravities-and over centuries of story-telling became ever more complex and layered and bizarre.

But what is strange about reading Michael Yon's graphic descriptions from Iraq is that al Qaeda (or its kindred) seems almost in a single generation to be outdoing a millennium of savagery present in Greek history and myth. You have to go to Thucydides's Mycalessus to find a parallel of wiping out even the animals of a small village.

On Friday, Yon reported that al Qaeda served up a son for dinner to his own family— a barbarism reminiscent of Atreus (hence the "curse" on the House of Atreus) cooking (sans feet and hands) and then serving his twin brother's sons to their unsuspecting father Thyestes. So Yon reports a revolting modern-day Thysestean feast:


The official reported that on a couple of occasions in Baqubah, al Qaeda invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he said, who was about 11-years-old. As LT David Wallach interpreted the man's words, I saw Wallach go blank and silent. He stopped interpreting for a moment. I asked Wallach, "What did he say?" Wallach said that at these luncheons, the families were sat down to eat. And then their boy was brought in with his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked. Al Qaeda served the boy to his family.
What is striking about all this savagery—whether with the filmed beheadings of Westerners in Iraq to the recent flaming Johnny Storm human torch at Glasgow, screaming epithets as he sought to engulf bystanders and ignite his canisters — is the absolute silence of the West, either distracted by Paris and i-Phones or suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome and obsessed with Guantanamo.

It is hard to recall an enemy so savage and yet one so largely ignored by rich affluent and distracted elites as the radical jihadists, as we have to evoke everything from mythology to comic books to find analogies to their extra-human viciousness.

For a self-congratulatory culture issuing moral lectures on everything from global warming to the dangers of smoking, the silence of the West toward the primordial horror from Gaza to Anbar is, well, horrific in its own way as well...

[lights1961]

You make it sound as the "left" is all that bad. Hell, there is NOTHING worse than a conservative and that has been proven by the last 6.5 years. The GOP Congress has been awful and now you are all over the Dem Congress as being terrible. Dude, they have been in power for 8 months and only have the slightest majority. Next election, when a good junk of GOP's fall off, and a Dem president gets in, things will get better.

Hillary is not "left" by the way. She slightly left of center, not liberal. I do hope she gets in so we can get a pro choice Justice into the Supreme Court. The Court is scary as it now stands.

yeah right, and i made a 100.000 dollars in future market cattle, but cant figure out how---oh and I dont recall either...

oh shit she did... HAHA.
Rick

[Skylorde]

You make it sound as the "left" is all that bad. Hell, there is NOTHING worse than a conservative and that has been proven by the last 6.5 years. The GOP Congress has been awful and now you are all over the Dem Congress as being terrible. Dude, they have been in power for 8 months and only have the slightest majority. Next election, when a good junk of GOP's fall off, and a Dem president gets in, things will get better.

Hillary is not "left" by the way. She slightly left of center, not liberal. I do hope she gets in so we can get a pro choice Justice into the Supreme Court. The Court is scary as it now stands.

Deano, I bag on the left mostly for laughs but I also bag on the Republicans too. The difference between a Conservative and a Republican is becoming more and more evident every day. Same goes with the Democrat party who've pretty much been hijacked by the radical left wing segment.

I'd vote for a JFK era Democrat in a heartbeat. That just shows you how much both parties together have slid left on the scale.

And Hillary? She's a tried and true socialist, make no mistake about it.

Socialism looks good on paper but it is absolutely destined to fail as history has proven time and time and time again. There is no such thing as a delicate balance of Capitalism and Socialism. Once you start down the road of entitlement programs (New Deal, Great Society) there is no going back, ever. The amount of people with their hands out will be forever increasing to the point of system collapse.

Set all the partisan stuff aside for one minute and answer this question. Can you honestly say the founding fathers would think Socialized medicine, Social security, Welfare, etc are great ideas?

[lights1961]

You make it sound as the "left" is all that bad. Hell, there is NOTHING worse than a conservative and that has been proven by the last 6.5 years. The GOP Congress has been awful and now you are all over the Dem Congress as being terrible. Dude, they have been in power for 8 months and only have the slightest majority. Next election, when a good junk of GOP's fall off, and a Dem president gets in, things will get better.

Hillary is not "left" by the way. She slightly left of center, not liberal. I do hope she gets in so we can get a pro choice Justice into the Supreme Court. The Court is scary as it now stands.

Deano, I bag on the left mostly for laughs but I also bag on the Republicans too. The difference between a Conservative and a Republican is becoming more and more evident every day. Same goes with the Democrat party who've pretty much been hijacked by the radical left wing segment.

I'd vote for a JFK era Democrat in a heartbeat. That just shows you how much both parties together have slid left on the scale.

And Hillary? She's a tried and true socialist, make no mistake about it.

Socialism looks good on paper but it is absolutely destined to fail as history has proven time and time and time again. There is no such thing as a delicate balance of Capitalism and Socialism. Once you start down the road of entitlement programs (New Deal, Great Society) there is no going back, ever. The amount of people with their hands out will be forever increasing to the point of system collapse.

Set all the partisan stuff aside for one minute and answer this question. Can you honestly say the founding fathers would think Socialized medicine, Social security, Welfare, etc are great ideas?

SORRY SOCIALISM is not good on paper, theory or actions period.

great opinions everyone... been lovin these!!! TNC nice to see ya back dude!! libertarian my ass!! HAHAHA.



Rick

[Rockindeano]

Socialism looks good on paper but it is absolutely destined to fail as history has proven time and time and time again. There is no such thing as a delicate balance of Capitalism and Socialism. Once you start down the road of entitlement programs (New Deal, Great Society) there is no going back, ever. The amount of people with their hands out will be forever increasing to the point of system collapse.

Ever heard of a place called Canada? You should research it. Best place to live in the world, period.

Set all the partisan stuff aside for one minute and answer this question. Can you honestly say the founding fathers would think Socialized medicine, Social security, Welfare, etc are great ideas?

A different time. I don't put any stock into the founding fathers. Fuck them. They wore curlers in their hair, garter belts and drank tea. No thanks.

However, I just don't see how anyone could be against socialized medicine. To see my fellow brethren suffer, not be able to be treated, due to a greed of some in this country, sickens me. I thought we were the UNITED States?