Cyndy's & Lora's thoughts on the HH interview

[Lora]

I am sure you are telling us the truth Lora no doubt
But I think the issue here is if Steve can sing live 3 to 4 times a week in a concert setting.
I am sure he can go into a studio and make good music
I am not confident that he could sing in a concert setting right off the bat.
The JRNY door was wide open again and the band could have come together once again but of course Steve gave his speech he is not interested.
I have never seen a singer who has just given up on his career as I have with Steve Perry.
The last thing we have from him is I Stand Alone and that was years ago.

When you think of Steve Perry you think of Journey and thats it.
For whatever reason he wants no part of what has made him a success.
How can you explain that one?
How can you walk away from singing when you are a singer?
I can't think of any other singer who has done what Steve Perry has done.

I remember when I spoke to him on the phone on a Texas radio station and he all but yelled at me when I asked him why he was
playing around with another band instead of JRNY
He used the divorce Senerio with me and I understood that, but as you can see with just about every other band out there a reunion
has happened.
If Van Halen could do it how in gods name can Perry and JRNY not do it?

How can Steve let his legacy be ruined?
All of these copycat singers and he sits and does absolutly nothing.

It makes no sense at all.

Peace Lora

Hey Mike,

Steve's legacy with Journey will never be ruined. His reasons for not wanting to be part of them any longer are his own. I am sure there are many things affecting that decision which we are not privy to. I enjoy his solo material as much as any Journey record, so for me, he is much more than just his contribution to Journey. I hope he decides to share his amazing voice with us all some day.

[Memorex]

I am sure you are telling us the truth Lora no doubt
But I think the issue here is if Steve can sing live 3 to 4 times a week in a concert setting.
I am sure he can go into a studio and make good music
I am not confident that he could sing in a concert setting right off the bat.
The JRNY door was wide open again and the band could have come together once again but of course Steve gave his speech he is not interested.
I have never seen a singer who has just given up on his career as I have with Steve Perry.
The last thing we have from him is I Stand Alone and that was years ago.

When you think of Steve Perry you think of Journey and thats it.
For whatever reason he wants no part of what has made him a success.
How can you explain that one?
How can you walk away from singing when you are a singer?
I can't think of any other singer who has done what Steve Perry has done.

I remember when I spoke to him on the phone on a Texas radio station and he all but yelled at me when I asked him why he was
playing around with another band instead of JRNY
He used the divorce Senerio with me and I understood that, but as you can see with just about every other band out there a reunion
has happened.
If Van Halen could do it how in gods name can Perry and JRNY not do it?

How can Steve let his legacy be ruined?
All of these copycat singers and he sits and does absolutly nothing.

It makes no sense at all.

Peace Lora

What Lora said, only....

There are so many things wrong your line of thinking, Froy. First off, Legacy is about the contribution you made. Certain folks have a legacy that is tied to their longevity. Fine. But Steve's legacy is the music that he created while he created that. That has only grown over the years. And there is no danger in that legacy being diminished. If you have to have new stuff by someone every other year in order to appreciate their contribution, than you no doubt love the fact that The Backstreet Boys came back to secure their legacy just recently.

The issue here is not whether or not he can sing live. That would be the issue only if you were holding tickets to his show in your hand, or if you were contemplating seeing his show. Funny, I pretty much think all of his studio albums are relevant and very much the issue. And those studio albums, studio help or not, still rise above most others.

Just because Journey opened the door does not mean you are entitled to a Journey reunion with your picks on each position. I pretty much think Steve is a big boy and can make such decisions based on what he feels is best for him at the moment. That you think he made the wrong decision is truly not the issue.

I’ve heard of many singers taking years between projects. I have heard of many singers retiring. Giving up on a career comes when you have tried and tried to make it and can’t seem to break through, so you quit. There is a huge difference on giving up versus retiring and relaxing.

He wants very much to be a part of what made him famous (and what he made famous). So he has, with obvious care, preserved that for the future. What he does not want to be a part of is future-state Journey. Um, not the only guy who feels that way about his past band. Why isn’t everyone sitting here talking about how Smith or Rolie don’t come back? Why can’t we please have a debate on why we must endure Fogerty and Credence Clearwater Revisited. And let’s be honest – who here can respect Rush without their original drummer? I know I lose sleep.

Best question of the post. “How can you walk away from singing when you are a singer?” All I can say is there must be a reason. And it’s none of our business.

I need to ask which Stock Market JRNY trades on. I’d like to know just how much money was lost by what Steve Perry did not provide you. Cause he sure seems to owe a lot of people here something. I just can’t figure out what or why. I seemed to have gotten everything I ever paid for. And I appreciate it for all that it is.

[Perrylover]

I am sure you are telling us the truth Lora no doubt
But I think the issue here is if Steve can sing live 3 to 4 times a week in a concert setting.
I am sure he can go into a studio and make good music
I am not confident that he could sing in a concert setting right off the bat.
The JRNY door was wide open again and the band could have come together once again but of course Steve gave his speech he is not interested.
I have never seen a singer who has just given up on his career as I have with Steve Perry.
The last thing we have from him is I Stand Alone and that was years ago.

When you think of Steve Perry you think of Journey and thats it.
For whatever reason he wants no part of what has made him a success.
How can you explain that one?
How can you walk away from singing when you are a singer?
I can't think of any other singer who has done what Steve Perry has done.

I remember when I spoke to him on the phone on a Texas radio station and he all but yelled at me when I asked him why he was
playing around with another band instead of JRNY
He used the divorce Senerio with me and I understood that, but as you can see with just about every other band out there a reunion
has happened.
If Van Halen could do it how in gods name can Perry and JRNY not do it?

How can Steve let his legacy be ruined?
All of these copycat singers and he sits and does absolutly nothing.

It makes no sense at all.

Peace Lora[/quote]

Actually, when I think of Journey, I think of Steve Perry.
When I think of Steve Perry, I think of everything I've ever heard him do. From Journey music through all his collaborations with many others. It's his voice and presentation that triggers my memories. While the music behind the voice also triggers recognition, that comes with the expectation of the voice that is imprinted throughout the music.

Deb E

[Blueskies]

overall..well said Memorex

[Tracie555]

Thank you both soooo much for your comments

Like everyone here, I sure hope that SP will bless us with his voice again

Take care,

Tracie

[conversationpc]

For most of the Journey and Steve Perry-loving world, that would be true. However, I believe Lora and Cyndy have gone above and beyond to remain non-biased, at least publicly. It must be SOOOO difficult for them to see and hear people saying such horrible things about Steve Perry, and want to speak out to dispel nasty rumors and flat-out lies. The restraint they show is incredible, I know I certainly couldn't deal with it the way they do.

I believe Lora has once again shown her class and integrity by her comments regarding the HH interview and the demos here, and I am extremely grateful that she is sharing this information with us.

Dave, I am interested in your comment, though. Why do you feel this way?

I'm not saying they aren't telling the truth but do you really think ANY hardcore Journey or Steve Perry fan could be totally unbiased about Herbie's interview? No way.

[Lora]

I'm not saying they aren't telling the truth but do you really think ANY hardcore Journey or Steve Perry fan could be totally unbiased about Herbie's interview? No way.

So you think HH's interview was unbiased?

[strangegrey]

No more or less Biased than Perry's viewpoint on Journeys past or should I say, the viewpoint expressed through his press-agents.

[conversationpc]

I'm not saying they aren't telling the truth but do you really think ANY hardcore Journey or Steve Perry fan could be totally unbiased about Herbie's interview? No way.

So you think HH's interview was unbiased?

Don't try to put words in my mouth. Like I said earlier, no one in this matter is unbiased. No one.

[DrFU]

There is no non-biased take on this matter.

No kidding; there is no non-biased take on any form of social reality. We all construct our own truths through the filters of our beliefs and experiences. Obviously HH and SP had very different experiences of the same events.

It's what makes the world an interesting place and what keeps the Wombat's board in business.

[amaron]

I only wish real fishing was this easy.

[Rip Rokken]

I'm not saying they aren't telling the truth but do you really think ANY hardcore Journey or Steve Perry fan could be totally unbiased about Herbie's interview? No way.

So you think HH's interview was unbiased?

Don't try to put words in my mouth. Like I said earlier, no one in this matter is unbiased. No one.

I think that's only true if you accept as an axiom that people are incapable of escaping bias completely -- that all opinions on any subject carry some measure of bias. But it's obvious that people are capable of different levels of objectivity, though. The ones who can honestly consider all points of fact, even the ones that they don't care for or which go against their personal preferences, and who can remove or at least greatly minimize personal emotion from the equation are the people who are the most capable of rendering an objective opinion.

I think Lora and Cyndy's opinions on Steve were very reasonable and needed to be said. If he had no voice any more, they probably wouldn't have bothered to chime in. Just looking at the facts, I'd have to say they are in a much better place to make the judgment than HH -- they just had lunch with him a few weeks ago, whereas HH hasn't seen him in several years, and has expressed no desire to see him again.

[slucero]

Its Perrys choice if he wants us to hear something "new".... and I'll gladly listen if he were to ever release it... but the choice is his.

[Maui Tom]

I'm not saying they aren't telling the truth but do you really think ANY hardcore Journey or Steve Perry fan could be totally unbiased about Herbie's interview? No way.

So you think HH's interview was unbiased?

Don't try to put words in my mouth. Like I said earlier, no one in this matter is unbiased. No one.

I think Lora and Cyndy's opinions on Steve were very reasonable and needed to be said. If he had no voice any more, they probably wouldn't have bothered to chime in. Just looking at the facts, I'd have to say they are in a much better place to make the judgment than HH -- they just had lunch with him a few weeks ago, whereas HH hasn't seen him in several years, and has expressed no desire to see him again.

No slam on ANYONE here but Rip rules....

[Rick]

I'm not saying they aren't telling the truth but do you really think ANY hardcore Journey or Steve Perry fan could be totally unbiased about Herbie's interview? No way.

So you think HH's interview was unbiased?

Don't try to put words in my mouth. Like I said earlier, no one in this matter is unbiased. No one.

I think that's only true if you accept as an axiom that people are incapable of escaping bias completely -- that all opinions on any subject carry some measure of bias. But it's obvious that people are capable of different levels of objectivity, though. The ones who can honestly consider all points of fact, even the ones that they don't care for or which go against their personal preferences, and who can remove or at least greatly minimize personal emotion from the equation are the people who are the most capable of rendering an objective opinion.

I think Lora and Cyndy's opinions on Steve were very reasonable and needed to be said. If he had no voice any more, they probably wouldn't have bothered to chime in. Just looking at the facts, I'd have to say they are in a much better place to make the judgment than HH -- they just had lunch with him a few weeks ago, whereas HH hasn't seen him in several years, and has expressed no desire to see him again.

He should send HH a copy of those demos.

[nolippin]

...and include a note that Herbie should shove them up his ass.

I'm not saying they aren't telling the truth but do you really think ANY hardcore Journey or Steve Perry fan could be totally unbiased about Herbie's interview? No way.

So you think HH's interview was unbiased?

Don't try to put words in my mouth. Like I said earlier, no one in this matter is unbiased. No one.

I think that's only true if you accept as an axiom that people are incapable of escaping bias completely -- that all opinions on any subject carry some measure of bias. But it's obvious that people are capable of different levels of objectivity, though. The ones who can honestly consider all points of fact, even the ones that they don't care for or which go against their personal preferences, and who can remove or at least greatly minimize personal emotion from the equation are the people who are the most capable of rendering an objective opinion.

I think Lora and Cyndy's opinions on Steve were very reasonable and needed to be said. If he had no voice any more, they probably wouldn't have bothered to chime in. Just looking at the facts, I'd have to say they are in a much better place to make the judgment than HH -- they just had lunch with him a few weeks ago, whereas HH hasn't seen him in several years, and has expressed no desire to see him again.

He should send HH a copy of those demos.

[Rick]

...and include a note that Herbie should shove them up his ass.

[Saint John]

You'll see Bin Laden waterskiing in Israel before these new demos see the light of day. This is the usual Journey pre-tour monkey wrench Perry usually throws out. This news is a big fat yawner.

[scarygirl]

You'll see Bin Laden waterskiing in Israel before these new demos see the light of day. This is the usual Journey pre-tour monkey wrench Perry usually throws out. This news is a big fat yawner.

But don't monkeys fly? And sing.

[Arkansas]

You'll see Bin Laden waterskiing in Israel before these new demos see the light of day. This is the usual Journey pre-tour monkey wrench Perry usually throws out. This news is a big fat yawner.

Bingo! We have a winner. No need to hold your cards. This bingo is confirmed.


later~

[Rip Rokken]

No slam on ANYONE here but Rip rules....

I wear my crown upon a troubled brow!

[NealIsGod]

You'll see Bin Laden waterskiing in Israel before these new demos see the light of day. This is the usual Journey pre-tour monkey wrench Perry usually throws out. This news is a big fat yawner.

I'll file it with news item that he was working with Nuno Bettencourt. Glad you had a nice lunch with him, tho.

[cookieduster]

You'll see Bin Laden waterskiing in Israel before these new demos see the light of day. This is the usual Journey pre-tour monkey wrench Perry usually throws out. This news is a big fat yawner.

I'll file it with news item that he was working with Nuno Bettencourt. Glad you had a nice lunch with him, tho.

Even car engineers collaborate on projects that they never get the public credit for, relax with the insults.

[piecesofeight]

No slam on ANYONE here but Rip rules....

I wear my crown upon a troubled brow!

[Saint John]

You'll see Bin Laden waterskiing in Israel before these new demos see the light of day. This is the usual Journey pre-tour monkey wrench Perry usually throws out. This news is a big fat yawner.

I'll file it with news item that he was working with Nuno Bettencourt. Glad you had a nice lunch with him, tho.

Even car engineers collaborate on projects that they never get the public credit for, relax with the insults.

Get the fuck out of here. NIG threw out his opinion. You don't like it? Too bad. "Relax"...lol

[TRAGChick]

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, LORA & CYNDI!

Sunday-Night Chianti toast to you BOTH ~ for making my Weekend!! Cheers!\~/

[cookieduster]

Oh I see St. John is trying to take over as the insult monger on MR, insulting yes, funny no.
Saying the F word doesn't make you anything by the way, big deal you can say it and so can my 5 year
old neighbor.

Now you its your turn to come back and say it again and again, come on you know you want to.
You people have made your rude points in this nice woman's thread.

[Andrew]

I need to settle this and interview Perry. Simple.

[Saint John]

Oh I see St. John is trying to take over as the insult monger on MR, insulting yes, funny no.
Saying the F word doesn't make you anything by the way, big deal you can say it and so can my 5 year
old neighbor.

Now you its your turn to come back and say it again and again, come on you know you want to.
You people have made your rude points in this nice woman's thread.

That's part of my normal vocabulary, cockduster. If you ever meet me you'll find that out.

[donnaplease]

For most of the Journey and Steve Perry-loving world, that would be true. However, I believe Lora and Cyndy have gone above and beyond to remain non-biased, at least publicly. It must be SOOOO difficult for them to see and hear people saying such horrible things about Steve Perry, and want to speak out to dispel nasty rumors and flat-out lies. The restraint they show is incredible, I know I certainly couldn't deal with it the way they do.

I believe Lora has once again shown her class and integrity by her comments regarding the HH interview and the demos here, and I am extremely grateful that she is sharing this information with us.

Dave, I am interested in your comment, though. Why do you feel this way?

I'm not saying they aren't telling the truth but do you really think ANY hardcore Journey or Steve Perry fan could be totally unbiased about Herbie's interview? No way.

Dave, I think Lora and Cyndy aren't the typical 'hardcore Journey or Steve Perry fan'. Wouldn't you agree that they come to it with a perspective that is quite different than what you & I may have? And yet, their responses here are always concise and nicely expressed. Since I know for a fact that they attended Journey shows post-Perry, and even had the opportunity to sit down with them an talk a little about 'stuff', I know that they can be unbiased about Journey. I appreciate their comments on the situation, and my opinion stands as previously stated.