Neal Talks Augeri and Soto in classic rock!!

[Greg]

So if Journey wants to move on and be a force to contend with, why hang on to the dirty dozen. Move on.. Build a new future. Why sound a like singers to replace Perry. Get a new sound..

Because they (the band) wants to milk their "legacy" for all it's worth and are too scared to leave the past as it should be and move onto something new. Sure, it's a gamble, but some bands have wound up being more commercially successful because of it, albeit for those bands (Van Halen) it was at the height of melodic rock's popularity.

[Enigma869]

but some bands have wound up being more commercially successful because of it, albeit for those bands (Van Halen) it was at the height of melodic rock's popularity.

Very few bands have went on to become commercially successful, after changing their singer. Genesis, Chicago (who never really had one lead singer), and Van Halen are the only ones I can think of. I know that Boston and Queen were mentioned, but I don't put them in the same category. Both lead singers who made those bands famous are no longer with us, and as far as I can tell, neither of those bands are remotely commercially successful (i.e. have hit records on the charts) with their new lead singers. Also, I think an important thing to point out, in Van Halen's case, is that the guy who was the "replacement" was a far better vocalist than the guy he replaced! Journey isn't bringing ANYONE into this band that is remotely close to Perry's talent, during Perry's prime!


John from Boston

[finalfight]

I don't get it, Neal flaps his gums a little and all of a sudden everyone seems to want a new sound again. Is Revelation suddenly a lesser piece of work or would a return to the days of prog be enough for all to be forgiven?

Playing devil's advocate here but maybe, just maybe Neal and the the other members of the band assumed that management had already told Jeff he was out after communication apparently broke down between them and a decision was made. Surely it's remotely possible that the error lies with Journey management not informing Jeff as soon as possible rather than him hearing from a third party as a done deal and possibly as a result of band members thinking it would by then be common knowledge and talking openly about it.

If Neal and other members of the band had made themselves more accessible via this forum or through other media this whole situation might not feel so one sided, as it is all we have is opinion and hearsay. I'm not surprised that Jeff is alleged to have sued the band, that's good business sense after he was declared the new lead singer and then unceremoniously bumped but lets face it we've probably all been in situations with people where we would rather not have to deal with them anymore. That's life I guess. I am just no longer buying that Journey band members are quite as bone headed and spiteful as we would like to believe.

I'm not choosing sides on this, screw that - I'm just going to assume there was much more to this than we will ever know and continue to enjoy the output of both Journey and JSS and hope that neither of them chose to re-invent themselves musically anytime soon.

Revelation for platinum baby!

[Shadowsong]

I don't get it, Neal flaps his gums a little and all of a sudden everyone seems to want a new sound again. Is Revelation suddenly a lesser piece of work or would a return to the days of prog be enough for all to be forgiven?

Playing devil's advocate here but maybe, just maybe Neal and the the other members of the band assumed that management had already told Jeff he was out after communication apparently broke down between them and a decision was made. Surely it's remotely possible that the error lies with Journey management not informing Jeff as soon as possible rather than him hearing from a third party as a done deal and possibly as a result of band members thinking it would by then be common knowledge and talking openly about it.

If Neal and other members of the band had made themselves more accessible via this forum or through other media this whole situation might not feel so one sided, as it is all we have is opinion and hearsay. I'm not surprised that Jeff is alleged to have sued the band, that's good business sense after he was declared the new lead singer and then unceremoniously bumped but lets face it we've probably all been in situations with people where we would rather not have to deal with them anymore. That's life I guess. I am just no longer buying that Journey band members are quite as bone headed and spiteful as we would like to believe.

I'm not choosing sides on this, screw that - I'm just going to assume there was much more to this than we will ever know and continue to enjoy the output of both Journey and JSS and hope that neither of them chose to re-invent themselves musically anytime soon.

Revelation for platinum baby!

Well said!

[Deb]

I don't get it, Neal flaps his gums a little and all of a sudden everyone seems to want a new sound again. Is Revelation suddenly a lesser piece of work

No, I do like a few songs on Revelation, but I would have preferred to see them do a "Van Hagar" and see what JSS would have brought to the table. I just prefer JSS' vocals, more soul/passion behind it, and he doesn't sound just like Perry. Sorry, but I require a little "uniqueness" in my favorite bands.

From what I understand they had already been looking for a singer when they did their Virginia gig, so to be buddy buddy with Jeff knowing that, just doesn't sit well. Sure ya can say, hey that's part of the business and that's all fine and good, but hearing that........I lost any respect for Neal and Jon as people, doesn't mean they still aren't talented musicians.

[stevew2]

I don't get it, Neal flaps his gums a little and all of a sudden everyone seems to want a new sound again. Is Revelation suddenly a lesser piece of work

No, I do like a few songs on Revelation, but I would have preferred to see them do a "Van Hagar" and see what JSS would have brought to the table. I just prefer JSS' vocals, more soul/passion behind it, and he doesn't sound just like Perry. Sorry, but I require a little "uniqueness" in my favorite bands.

From what I understand they had already been looking for a singer when they did their Virginia gig, so to be buddy buddy with Jeff knowing that, just doesn't sit well. Sure ya can say, hey that's part of the business and that's all fine and good, but hearing that........I lost any respect for Neal and Jon as people, doesn't mean they still aren't talented musicians.

Are they people? thats the first I heard of it

[Allied Forces]

Revelation for platinum baby!

Just stuff 2 more discs in there for 12 bucks and it would be.

Seriously though, this model will be used by many more bands.

[finalfight]

I don't get it, Neal flaps his gums a little and all of a sudden everyone seems to want a new sound again. Is Revelation suddenly a lesser piece of work

No, I do like a few songs on Revelation, but I would have preferred to see them do a "Van Hagar" and see what JSS would have brought to the table. I just prefer JSS' vocals, more soul/passion behind it, and he doesn't sound just like Perry. Sorry, but I require a little "uniqueness" in my favorite bands.

From what I understand they had already been looking for a singer when they did their Virginia gig, so to be buddy buddy with Jeff knowing that, just doesn't sit well. Sure ya can say, hey that's part of the business and that's all fine and good, but hearing that........I lost any respect for Neal and Jon as people, doesn't mean they still aren't talented musicians.

But there really isn't anything unique about Eric Martin (apart from the fact that he seems to have found a way of reversing the aging process). Pineda sounds very little like Perry on the majority of the new recordings and there is no less soul in his voice than JSS and certainly not in his live performance. However my point was hopefully not reliant on the emotional delivery of lead singers past or present.

[finalfight]

Revelation for platinum baby!

Just stuff 2 more discs in there for 12 bucks and it would be.

Seriously though, this model will be used by many more bands.

Should be used definitely. It's the record buyer that gains from a deal this good.

[Deb]

I don't get it, Neal flaps his gums a little and all of a sudden everyone seems to want a new sound again. Is Revelation suddenly a lesser piece of work

No, I do like a few songs on Revelation, but I would have preferred to see them do a "Van Hagar" and see what JSS would have brought to the table. I just prefer JSS' vocals, more soul/passion behind it, and he doesn't sound just like Perry. Sorry, but I require a little "uniqueness" in my favorite bands.

From what I understand they had already been looking for a singer when they did their Virginia gig, so to be buddy buddy with Jeff knowing that, just doesn't sit well. Sure ya can say, hey that's part of the business and that's all fine and good, but hearing that........I lost any respect for Neal and Jon as people, doesn't mean they still aren't talented musicians.

But there really isn't anything unique about Eric Martin (apart from the fact that he seems to have found a way of reversing the aging process).

I find his voice quite unique actually, he's got Steve Perry's soul and Jeff Keith's grit. He's got a great voice for rock and/or soul. That's what I like about EM's and JSS's voices, great delivery and they can do more than one type of music.......which I've noticed bigtime by delving into their catalogues of work. But to each his own. I like Arnel's voice, it just doesn't move me.

[donnaplease]

I don't get it, Neal flaps his gums a little and all of a sudden everyone seems to want a new sound again. Is Revelation suddenly a lesser piece of work

No, I do like a few songs on Revelation, but I would have preferred to see them do a "Van Hagar" and see what JSS would have brought to the table. I just prefer JSS' vocals, more soul/passion behind it, and he doesn't sound just like Perry. Sorry, but I require a little "uniqueness" in my favorite bands.

From what I understand they had already been looking for a singer when they did their Virginia gig, so to be buddy buddy with Jeff knowing that, just doesn't sit well. Sure ya can say, hey that's part of the business and that's all fine and good, but hearing that........I lost any respect for Neal and Jon as people, doesn't mean they still aren't talented musicians.

Not only that, but if I remember correctly, Jeff had been trying to talk to folks within the Journey camp by phone while he was in Europe, and no one would talk to him. Sounds like some major games were being played. Maybe a few guilty consciences as well...

It seems to me that if they wanted the public to 'move on' and forget all the BS with Steve Augeri and Jeff Scott Soto, Neil would've just STFU about it (precisely what some here are suggesting that we do).

[Deb]

I don't get it, Neal flaps his gums a little and all of a sudden everyone seems to want a new sound again. Is Revelation suddenly a lesser piece of work

No, I do like a few songs on Revelation, but I would have preferred to see them do a "Van Hagar" and see what JSS would have brought to the table. I just prefer JSS' vocals, more soul/passion behind it, and he doesn't sound just like Perry. Sorry, but I require a little "uniqueness" in my favorite bands.

From what I understand they had already been looking for a singer when they did their Virginia gig, so to be buddy buddy with Jeff knowing that, just doesn't sit well. Sure ya can say, hey that's part of the business and that's all fine and good, but hearing that........I lost any respect for Neal and Jon as people, doesn't mean they still aren't talented musicians.

Not only that, but if I remember correctly, Jeff had been trying to talk to folks within the Journey camp by phone while he was in Europe, and no one would talk to him. Sounds like some major games were being played. Maybe a few guilty consciences as well...

It seems to me that if they wanted the public to 'move on' and forget all the BS with Steve Augeri and Jeff Scott Soto, Neil would've just STFU about it (precisely what some here are suggesting that we do).

I've moved on, I'll listen to the few songs I like on Revelation, but my main focus will be on the careers of JSS, EM and darn-it-all hopefully SP. Those are the only 3 I'll put my travel $$ down on to see LIVE. JSS CD coming, EM working on something too, SP ??? hopefully. Deb's a happer camper!

[Onestepper]

I don't get it, Neal flaps his gums a little and all of a sudden everyone seems to want a new sound again. Is Revelation suddenly a lesser piece of work

No, I do like a few songs on Revelation, but I would have preferred to see them do a "Van Hagar" and see what JSS would have brought to the table. I just prefer JSS' vocals, more soul/passion behind it, and he doesn't sound just like Perry. Sorry, but I require a little "uniqueness" in my favorite bands.

From what I understand they had already been looking for a singer when they did their Virginia gig, so to be buddy buddy with Jeff knowing that, just doesn't sit well. Sure ya can say, hey that's part of the business and that's all fine and good, but hearing that........I lost any respect for Neal and Jon as people, doesn't mean they still aren't talented musicians.

Not only that, but if I remember correctly, Jeff had been trying to talk to folks within the Journey camp by phone while he was in Europe, and no one would talk to him. Sounds like some major games were being played. Maybe a few guilty consciences as well...

It seems to me that if they wanted the public to 'move on' and forget all the BS with Steve Augeri and Jeff Scott Soto, Neil would've just STFU about it (precisely what some here are suggesting that we do).

Honestly, if you think about it, what does NS care? He has a new singer, he has a top selling album, any legal issues will be dealt with by Irving and Co. All he has to do is play every night and do the occasional interview. Anything he says really has no direct impact on him or the band. They live in a cocoon and only need to come out when they choose. I think we may be giving him too much credit for giving a rats ass what people think or talk about. Again, the average fan knows absolutely nothing about all of the drama over the last few years.

[donnaplease]

Honestly, if you think about it, what does NS care? He has a new singer, he has a top selling album, any legal issues will be dealt with by Irving and Co. All he has to do is play every night and do the occasional interview. Anything he says really has no direct impact on him or the band. They live in a cocoon and only need to come out when they choose. I think we may be giving him too much credit for giving a rats ass what people think or talk about. Again, the average fan knows absolutely nothing about all of the drama over the last few years.

I totally agree. He doesn't care because somehow, he's always landed on his feet. The other guys, they'll be alright too.

[finalfight]

I don't get it, Neal flaps his gums a little and all of a sudden everyone seems to want a new sound again. Is Revelation suddenly a lesser piece of work

No, I do like a few songs on Revelation, but I would have preferred to see them do a "Van Hagar" and see what JSS would have brought to the table. I just prefer JSS' vocals, more soul/passion behind it, and he doesn't sound just like Perry. Sorry, but I require a little "uniqueness" in my favorite bands.

From what I understand they had already been looking for a singer when they did their Virginia gig, so to be buddy buddy with Jeff knowing that, just doesn't sit well. Sure ya can say, hey that's part of the business and that's all fine and good, but hearing that........I lost any respect for Neal and Jon as people, doesn't mean they still aren't talented musicians.

Not only that, but if I remember correctly, Jeff had been trying to talk to folks within the Journey camp by phone while he was in Europe, and no one would talk to him. Sounds like some major games were being played. Maybe a few guilty consciences as well...

It seems to me that if they wanted the public to 'move on' and forget all the BS with Steve Augeri and Jeff Scott Soto, Neil would've just STFU about it (precisely what some here are suggesting that we do).

Honestly, if you think about it, what does NS care? He has a new singer, he has a top selling album, any legal issues will be dealt with by Irving and Co. All he has to do is play every night and do the occasional interview. Anything he says really has no direct impact on him or the band. They live in a cocoon and only need to come out when they choose. I think we may be giving him too much credit for giving a rats ass what people think or talk about. Again, the average fan knows absolutely nothing about all of the drama over the last few years.

Absolutely on the money I'd wager.

[stevew2]

SusieP...

I believe (i may be wrong) that Talisman's 7 record had already been declared as their swansong upon release, and JSS wanted to just take 'em through one last farewell tour. Talisman was already over, BUT, JSS had to postpone the farewell tour due to his Journey involvement.

Correct me if I'm wrong, peoples.

although the band members had discussed the 7 CD to possibly be the final release, this was never announced officially until late 2006 when Andrew's interview with Jeff and Journey was published. So when Jeff got the call from Journey July 2006, he knew Talisman was at it's end . A year later I posted my thoughts on Talisman and if Jeff made the right decision to give up on Talisman. 3 days later Jeff was booted and backstabbed officially.

Thanks for the mention on the Annex interveiw,are you really a terriost? lol

[finalfight]

I don't get it, Neal flaps his gums a little and all of a sudden everyone seems to want a new sound again. Is Revelation suddenly a lesser piece of work

No, I do like a few songs on Revelation, but I would have preferred to see them do a "Van Hagar" and see what JSS would have brought to the table. I just prefer JSS' vocals, more soul/passion behind it, and he doesn't sound just like Perry. Sorry, but I require a little "uniqueness" in my favorite bands.

From what I understand they had already been looking for a singer when they did their Virginia gig, so to be buddy buddy with Jeff knowing that, just doesn't sit well. Sure ya can say, hey that's part of the business and that's all fine and good, but hearing that........I lost any respect for Neal and Jon as people, doesn't mean they still aren't talented musicians.

But there really isn't anything unique about Eric Martin (apart from the fact that he seems to have found a way of reversing the aging process).

I find his voice quite unique actually, he's got Steve Perry's soul and Jeff Keith's grit. He's got a great voice for rock and/or soul. That's what I like about EM's and JSS's voices, great delivery and they can do more than one type of music.......which I've noticed bigtime by delving into their catalogues of work. But to each his own. I like Arnel's voice, it just doesn't move me.

Does Perry know that Martin has stolen his soul? Could this be why he is a virtual recluse now and why Eric Martin looks so damn young (shades of Dorian Gray)? On an aside was that Jeff Keith sounding a little too gritty on the new Tesla DVD - ouch, what happened?

[finalfight]

I don't get it, Neal flaps his gums a little and all of a sudden everyone seems to want a new sound again. Is Revelation suddenly a lesser piece of work

No, I do like a few songs on Revelation, but I would have preferred to see them do a "Van Hagar" and see what JSS would have brought to the table. I just prefer JSS' vocals, more soul/passion behind it, and he doesn't sound just like Perry. Sorry, but I require a little "uniqueness" in my favorite bands.

From what I understand they had already been looking for a singer when they did their Virginia gig, so to be buddy buddy with Jeff knowing that, just doesn't sit well. Sure ya can say, hey that's part of the business and that's all fine and good, but hearing that........I lost any respect for Neal and Jon as people, doesn't mean they still aren't talented musicians.

Not only that, but if I remember correctly, Jeff had been trying to talk to folks within the Journey camp by phone while he was in Europe, and no one would talk to him. Sounds like some major games were being played. Maybe a few guilty consciences as well...

It seems to me that if they wanted the public to 'move on' and forget all the BS with Steve Augeri and Jeff Scott Soto, Neil would've just STFU about it (precisely what some here are suggesting that we do).

I've moved on, I'll listen to the few songs I like on Revelation, but my main focus will be on the careers of JSS, EM and darn-it-all hopefully SP. Those are the only 3 I'll put my travel $$ down on to see LIVE. JSS CD coming, EM working on something too, SP ??? hopefully. Deb's a happer camper!

I would love Steve Perry to sing again but reckon at this point his strengths might well lie in other areas of the studio. He has already proven himself an exceptional 'producer' with the remastering work. Perhaps he would make capable studio-smith offering advice and technical expertise to other performers.

[Deb]

I don't get it, Neal flaps his gums a little and all of a sudden everyone seems to want a new sound again. Is Revelation suddenly a lesser piece of work

No, I do like a few songs on Revelation, but I would have preferred to see them do a "Van Hagar" and see what JSS would have brought to the table. I just prefer JSS' vocals, more soul/passion behind it, and he doesn't sound just like Perry. Sorry, but I require a little "uniqueness" in my favorite bands.

From what I understand they had already been looking for a singer when they did their Virginia gig, so to be buddy buddy with Jeff knowing that, just doesn't sit well. Sure ya can say, hey that's part of the business and that's all fine and good, but hearing that........I lost any respect for Neal and Jon as people, doesn't mean they still aren't talented musicians.

But there really isn't anything unique about Eric Martin (apart from the fact that he seems to have found a way of reversing the aging process).

I find his voice quite unique actually, he's got Steve Perry's soul and Jeff Keith's grit. He's got a great voice for rock and/or soul. That's what I like about EM's and JSS's voices, great delivery and they can do more than one type of music.......which I've noticed bigtime by delving into their catalogues of work. But to each his own. I like Arnel's voice, it just doesn't move me.

Does Perry know that Martin has stolen his soul? Could this be why he is a virtual recluse now? On an aside was that Jeff Keith sounding a little too gritty on the new Tesla DVD - ouch, what happened?

Ya, may sound like a broken record, but #1 criteria....my faves gotta have soul! I haven't seen the new Tesla dvd, but saw him and EM both perform on that Station Fire concert. EM sounded great (except the guy singing backup for him was verrry monotone. ), but you're right, OUCH, JK didn't sound very good.......way too gritty.

Miss these JK vocals. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2pYCz6h ... re=related

[Tito]

[quote="Michigan Girl]
M-M-M.....I have no words!!!
Hey Tito....what's your take on this??? [/quote]

Quit taking the piss.

[Tito]

Gotta give Neal a pittance of credit for not demeaning his fans intelligence by offering an outright denial of TapeGate.

I did find that an interesting development. We've shifted from delusional online fans that were either dubbed alcoholics or psychopaths that made up stuff for no reason whatsoever....so a fungal infection.
Mind you, this was just one show Neal talked about.

You quit taking the piss too.

[Behshad]

Gotta give Neal a pittance of credit for not demeaning his fans intelligence by offering an outright denial of TapeGate.

I did find that an interesting development. We've shifted from delusional online fans that were either dubbed alcoholics or psychopaths that made up stuff for no reason whatsoever....so a fungal infection.
Mind you, this was just one show Neal talked about.

You quit taking the piss too.

So you post a reply right after you read that post before you finish reading the whole thread , eh? Well soon enough you'll get to my post too.
Does your man know you're on here and posting while he is out of town?

[Tito]

I believe Neal. If he's lying, who cares? It WAS the correct decision. NOT GUILTY of ALL CHARGES.

[Rick]

Gotta give Neal a pittance of credit for not demeaning his fans intelligence by offering an outright denial of TapeGate.

I did find that an interesting development. We've shifted from delusional online fans that were either dubbed alcoholics or psychopaths that made up stuff for no reason whatsoever....so a fungal infection.
Mind you, this was just one show Neal talked about.

You quit taking the piss too.

So you post a reply right after you read that post before you finish reading the whole thread , eh? Well soon enough you'll get to my post too.
Does your man know you're on here and posting while he is out of town?

[Behshad]

I believe Neal. If he's lying, who cares? It WAS the correct decision. NOT GUILTY of ALL CHARGES.

what a surprise! Just save us the headche and STFU right now ....

[Tito]

I believe Neal. If he's lying, who cares? It WAS the correct decision. NOT GUILTY of ALL CHARGES.

what a surprise! Just save us the headche and STFU right now ....

NOT GUILTY. Talk to you tomorrow.

[Behshad]

I believe Neal. If he's lying, who cares? It WAS the correct decision. NOT GUILTY of ALL CHARGES.

what a surprise! Just save us the headche and STFU right now ....

NOT GUILTY. Talk to you tomorrow.

I know I know .... He's coming home tomorrow .... Now you will clear your web browser's history so he doesn't find out you were here , but the date & time on your posts tonite will give it away ...

[wildone]

I believe Neal. If he's lying, who cares? It WAS the correct decision. NOT GUILTY of ALL CHARGES.

[squirt1]

I rate Perry 1st and JSS very good.Perry and Freddie Mercury were special. I only got to see ROR and FTLOSM. We had 3 kids and 4 businesses by the time I discovered Journey in '81.

[Dr Arrival]

"But personality wise he was not right"


that comment strikes me kinda funny....Jeff is widely known to be one of the good guys in the biz....Both with musicians and fans alike.

Hahaha, that explains why the personality conflict!