Schon comes clean... well sort of...

[Saint John]

Neal has NEVER been a buffoon. Unless you consider being too loyal - buffoonery.

Everyone has been a buffoon at one time or another. Thank you for being so kind and using yourself as an example just now.

I have never been a buffoon.

That's it!!! Gayle, post the pictures!!! Care to retract that statement, brah?

[Tito]

Neal has NEVER been a buffoon. Unless you consider being too loyal - buffoonery.

Everyone has been a buffoon at one time or another. Thank you for being so kind and using yourself as an example just now.

I have never been a buffoon.

That's it!!! Gayle, post the pictures!!! Care to retract that statement, brah?

I don't want my picture on the internet. Comment stands.

[Michigan Girl]

Not sure what people are not seeing in those comments. They are not mean spirited or even 'harsh'. It appears to be a diplomatic way of saying what everyone was looking for as a reason to let JSS go. He didn't say 'he sucked' or anything close to that. Just that it didn't fit their sound. I think that is reasonable.

My belief is that most people would have a completely different feeling about those comments if they had handled the termination more professionally, and actually discussed the issue of why they wanted to go in a different direction to JSS one on one. I don't think how or what he said in the interview was that bad.

Agreed on all counts.

Ditto.

Count me in.

Did any one of you read the entire article? It's not just about JSS!!!

What's your point? I think that subject got the attention because it is the first time (that I know of) anyone from the band has gone on record about the split. I think the 'no comment' statement was addressed in a different thread.

Oh, so in this thread we're supposed to focus on another part of the article
thanks for clearing that up for me, I wasn't aware of the rules!!!

[Onestepper]

- JSS? Nondescript? That one actually made me laugh out loud.....coming from somebody who's got an SP vocal duplicate fronting Journey now. No disrespect to Arnel, I like the guy.............but I lose more and more respect for NS everytime he opens his mouth.

Did you hear the song(s) NS is referring to? How in the world could you possibly know what his opinions on the material should be? Just because you like JSS doesn't mean that NS's feelings on his work for the demos is to be completely discarded.

And I don't think this has anything to do with Arnel.

[Onestepper]

Not sure what people are not seeing in those comments. They are not mean spirited or even 'harsh'. It appears to be a diplomatic way of saying what everyone was looking for as a reason to let JSS go. He didn't say 'he sucked' or anything close to that. Just that it didn't fit their sound. I think that is reasonable.

My belief is that most people would have a completely different feeling about those comments if they had handled the termination more professionally, and actually discussed the issue of why they wanted to go in a different direction to JSS one on one. I don't think how or what he said in the interview was that bad.

Agreed on all counts.

Ditto.

Count me in.

Did any one of you read the entire article? It's not just about JSS!!!

What's your point? I think that subject got the attention because it is the first time (that I know of) anyone from the band has gone on record about the split. I think the 'no comment' statement was addressed in a different thread.

Oh, so in this thread we're supposed to focus on another part of the article
thanks for clearing that up for me, I wasn't aware of the rules!!!

Stop it. You know that's not what I meant. I'm asking you what else is in there that we are supposed to get from the article, and also noted why I thought people focused on the JSS issue. Geez.

[Tito]

Actually, I think Neal is correct. That's probably part of the problem for Soto, he's nondescript. I've heard people say before, "Good at many things, great at nothing."

[The_Noble_Cause]

Actually, I think Neal is correct. That's probably part of the problem for Soto, he's nondescript. I've heard people say before, "Good at many things, great at nothing."

By virtue of not sounding like Perry, Jeff is more interesting.
At long last, Neal was forging new ground, with a writing partnership fans hadn't seen since Perry/Schon/Cain.
We've gone down the soundalike path before.
It ends badly.

[Deb]

JSS? Nondescript? That one actually made me laugh out loud.....coming from somebody who's got an SP vocal duplicate fronting Journey now. No disrespect to Arnel, I like the guy.............but I lose more and more respect for NS everytime he opens his mouth.

Did you hear the song(s) NS is referring to? How in the world could you possibly know what his opinions on the material should be? Just because you like JSS doesn't mean that NS's feelings on his work for the demos is to be completely discarded.

And I don't think this has anything to do with Arnel.

LOL, thank you for telling me what my opinion of NS comments should be.

[Onestepper]

JSS? Nondescript? That one actually made me laugh out loud.....coming from somebody who's got an SP vocal duplicate fronting Journey now. No disrespect to Arnel, I like the guy.............but I lose more and more respect for NS everytime he opens his mouth.

Did you hear the song(s) NS is referring to? How in the world could you possibly know what his opinions on the material should be? Just because you like JSS doesn't mean that NS's feelings on his work for the demos is to be completely discarded.

And I don't think this has anything to do with Arnel.

LOL, thank you for telling me what my opinion on NS comments should be.

Just staying consistent with what you did in the previous message. You are welcome.

[tammy]

Not sure what people are not seeing in those comments. They are not mean spirited or even 'harsh'. It appears to be a diplomatic way of saying what everyone was looking for as a reason to let JSS go. He didn't say 'he sucked' or anything close to that. Just that it didn't fit their sound. I think that is reasonable.

My belief is that most people would have a completely different feeling about those comments if they had handled the termination more professionally, and actually discussed the issue of why they wanted to go in a different direction to JSS one on one. I don't think how or what he said in the interview was that bad.

True. He said, "IT" didn't sound like Journey to them. But, there must've also been an issue with personalities clashing 'cuz he said, "personality-wise". I think the way things are now is what was meant to be...Arnel is doing very well with Journey & I think he was the right choice...'his sound' fits the glass slipper. Good things are also on the horizon for JSS & SA....and, hopefully SP.

[Michigan Girl]

[quote="Michigan Girl"]
Count me in.

Did any one of you read the entire article? It's not just about JSS!!! [/quote]

Is there a link?[/quote]

You need to correct this...Michigan girl DID NOT say count me in!!!
The article is posted on the 1st page (top) of this thread...READ IT!!!

[Saint John]

By virtue of not sounding like Perry, Jeff is more interesting.

Gold (soon to be Platinum) albums and sold out sheds seem to tell me that people are very interested in this lineup.

At long last, Neal was forging new ground, with a writing partnership fans hadn't seen since Perry/Schon/Cain.

Pure speculation. I've never seen anyone in the industry tout Soto as a great lyricist. As far as I know, in the U.S., the guy has penned a total of zero hits.

We've gone down the soundalike path before.
It ends badly.

I suspect Journey with Soto would have ended worse than Van Halen with Cherone. The masses, the band and management knew he wasn't a good fit. The initial circle jerk he received from the band was nothing more than the shear glee of being live again and not having to look over your shoulder anymore. Once they were able to objectively judge their latest incarnation they realized he had to go.

[Onestepper]

Not sure what people are not seeing in those comments. They are not mean spirited or even 'harsh'. It appears to be a diplomatic way of saying what everyone was looking for as a reason to let JSS go. He didn't say 'he sucked' or anything close to that. Just that it didn't fit their sound. I think that is reasonable.

My belief is that most people would have a completely different feeling about those comments if they had handled the termination more professionally, and actually discussed the issue of why they wanted to go in a different direction to JSS one on one. I don't think how or what he said in the interview was that bad.

True. He said, "IT" didn't sound like Journey to them. But, there must've also been an issue with personalities clashing 'cuz he said, "personality-wise". I think the way things are now is what was meant to be...Arnel is doing very well with Journey & I think he was the right choice...'his sound' fits the glass slipper. Good things are also on the horizon for JSS & SA....and, hopefully SP.

It's also funny how no one mentions that NS talked about what a great showman JSS was. It's amazing how people can make him wrong for wanting a certain sound for his band. And if the lead singer doesn't represent the sound he wants, that must make the decision maker wrong.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Gold (soon to be Platinum) albums and sold out sheds seem to tell me that people are very interested in this lineup.

Total novelty act.
Jeff would have built something that withstood the test of time, while standing on its own two feet.
What they have now is cheap nostalgia.

[larryfromnextdoor]

but i wonder what songs neal if refering that he sent to soto? certainly he didnt expect that the "pilgrim" song could get any better...

[Deb]

Not sure what people are not seeing in those comments. They are not mean spirited or even 'harsh'. It appears to be a diplomatic way of saying what everyone was looking for as a reason to let JSS go. He didn't say 'he sucked' or anything close to that. Just that it didn't fit their sound. I think that is reasonable.

My belief is that most people would have a completely different feeling about those comments if they had handled the termination more professionally, and actually discussed the issue of why they wanted to go in a different direction to JSS one on one. I don't think how or what he said in the interview was that bad.

True. He said, "IT" didn't sound like Journey to them. But, there must've also been an issue with personalities clashing 'cuz he said, "personality-wise". I think the way things are now is what was meant to be...Arnel is doing very well with Journey & I think he was the right choice...'his sound' fits the glass slipper. Good things are also on the horizon for JSS & SA....and, hopefully SP.

It's also funny how no one mentions that NS talked about what a great showman JSS was. It's amazing how people can make him wrong for wanting a certain sound for his band. And if the lead singer doesn't represent the sound he wants, that must make the decision maker wrong.

Who's making him wrong? He's entitled to have his band sound anyway he wants, just as I'm entitled to like it or not. I was just laughing at his use of the word "nondescript". I like the current line up, not enough to be jazzed about it though. Nothing "unique" about it IMO, unlike a JSS fronted Journey would have been....even by virtue of JSS not sounding just like Perry.

Where I find him wrong and lose respect for him is in how he talks about any and all of his past frontmen.

[Saint John]

Gold (soon to be Platinum) albums and sold out sheds seem to tell me that people are very interested in this lineup.

Total novelty act.
Jeff would have built something that withstood the test of time, while standing on its own two feet.
What they have now is cheap nostalgia.

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Deb]

Gold (soon to be Platinum) albums and sold out sheds seem to tell me that people are very interested in this lineup.

Total novelty act.
Jeff would have built something that withstood the test of time, while standing on its own two feet.
What they have now is cheap nostalgia.

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.

That was easy.

[mistiejourney]

Not sure what people are not seeing in those comments. They are not mean spirited or even 'harsh'. It appears to be a diplomatic way of saying what everyone was looking for as a reason to let JSS go. He didn't say 'he sucked' or anything close to that. Just that it didn't fit their sound. I think that is reasonable.

My belief is that most people would have a completely different feeling about those comments if they had handled the termination more professionally, and actually discussed the issue of why they wanted to go in a different direction to JSS one on one. I don't think how or what he said in the interview was that bad.

I agree. We know the issue was the "legacy" sound. It was how they handled the situation that sucked (and always will). Nothin' wrong with Jeff's voice, they wanted an alto-tenor.

My question is why they made him an official member BEFORE they heard what a baritone-ish voice sounded like on the new material. Wouldn't you do that before you made the offer? It sounds to me like Jeff's talent/ability wasn't the issue.

Too bad they didn't have the balls to level with man. One call with , hey buddy - thanks for bailing us out but we really thing we need a tenor to go on and Alllll this uproar would have never happened and I would probably still have some respect for Neal and Jon. As it stands now, I appreciate their talent but they are, what's the term, douchbags?

[Arkansas]

... certainly he didnt expect that the "pilgrim" song could get any better...

Now THAT is funny. What a 'steamer' that song is...


later~

[Tito]

Gold (soon to be Platinum) albums and sold out sheds seem to tell me that people are very interested in this lineup.

Total novelty act.
Jeff would have built something that withstood the test of time, while standing on its own two feet.
What they have now is cheap nostalgia.

WTF are you talking about. Novelty acts don't do what their doing right now. This is the best they've done in over 20 years.
How do you know they would've built something that would've stood the test of time with Soto? Where's the evidence? Winds of Freedom ain't gonna cut it. Did Soul Sirkus leave something to last? I don't think so.
This is not nostalgia. Maybe earlier in the decade it was, but 10 years after reforming this thing they have never had this type of success. It wouldn't be peaking 10 years later as it is now.

P.S. Congratulations Tito on (this being) your 1,000th career post.

[Michigan Girl]

Gold (soon to be Platinum) albums and sold out sheds seem to tell me that people are very interested in this lineup.

Total novelty act.
Jeff would have built something that withstood the test of time, while standing on its own two feet.
What they have now is cheap nostalgia.

WTF are you talking about. Novelty acts don't do what their doing right now. This is the best they've done in over 20 years.
How do you know they would've built something that would've stood the test of time with Soto? Where's the evidence? Winds of Freedom ain't gonna cut it. Did Soul Sirkus leave something to last? I don't think so.
This is not nostalgia. Maybe earlier in the decade it was, but 10 years after reforming this thing they have never had this type of success. It wouldn't be peaking 10 years later as it is now.

P.S. Congratulations Tito on (this being) your 1,000th career post.

Yeah, congrats.....wish you had something to say!!!

[Saint John]

P.S. Congratulations Tito on (this being) your 1,000th career post.

Sounds like we need an appreciation thread!!!

[stevew2]

lol...at least you realize I was joking. Schon has certainly been a buffoon at times,

Neal has NEVER been a buffoon. Unless you consider being too loyal - buffoonery.

That is retarded. If Neal would shit on you,you would sit there and pick out the corn. Loyal to whom?? Friga maybe. They proballablly share the same bunk on the bus, and not because they have to

[Tito]

I agree. It was how they handled the situation that sucked (and always will). Nothin' wrong with Jeff's voice, they wanted an alto-tenor.

From this outsider, they handled the situation perfect.

[Deb]

I agree. It was how they handled the situation that sucked (and always will). Nothin' wrong with Jeff's voice, they wanted an alto-tenor.

From this outsider, they handled the situation perfect.

Go figure.

And coming from this outsider, I find your avatar very disrespectful. And you guys got on the cases of people posting NS(napoleon) avatars?

[Saint John]

I agree. It was how they handled the situation that sucked (and always will). Nothin' wrong with Jeff's voice, they wanted an alto-tenor.

From this outsider, they handled the situation perfect.

Go figure.

And coming from this outsider, I find your avatar very disrespectful. And you guys got on the cases of people posting NS(napoleon) avatars?

No photoshopping, no foul.

[Tito]

I agree. It was how they handled the situation that sucked (and always will). Nothin' wrong with Jeff's voice, they wanted an alto-tenor.

From this outsider, they handled the situation perfect.

Go figure.

And coming from this outsider, I find your avatar very disrespectful. And you guys got on the cases of people posting NS(napoleon) avatars?

I never complained about any Neal avatars. I have only complained about one avatar only.

[stevew2]

I agree. It was how they handled the situation that sucked (and always will). Nothin' wrong with Jeff's voice, they wanted an alto-tenor.

From this outsider, they handled the situation perfect.

Yea,for the casual fan, and retards like you that will let accept everything the does as gold

[Tito]

lol...at least you realize I was joking. Schon has certainly been a buffoon at times,

Neal has NEVER been a buffoon. Unless you consider being too loyal - buffoonery.

That is retarded. If Neal would shit on you,you would sit there and pick out the corn. Loyal to whom?? Friga maybe. They proballablly share the same bunk on the bus, and not because they have to

For the right price - yes I would.