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Postby DrFU » Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:31 pm

Except for the slaps at JSS, it's not a bad piece ...
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Postby Rick » Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:38 pm

DrFU wrote:Except for the slaps at JSS, it's not a bad piece ...


Agreed. I had forgotten that Ross came from the Steve Miller band.
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Postby treetopovskaya » Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:54 pm

i love how neal & co throw people under the bus. sooner or later they'll prolly throw arnel under the bus too. they did it to perry & augeri... soto... it's just a matter of time until arnel also has tread marks up & down his back. the things they are saying about arnel are the EXACT same things they were saying about soto. jon cain can kiss my lily white booty. bah.

still doesn't excuse them for how they let jss go. they should have had the balls to do it in person. man up & put on your big boy pants.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:09 pm

DrFU wrote:Except for the slaps at JSS...



"His sound wasn't for us," Cain says, "and then later on I think his personality wasn't for us."

Later when? Before or after you shoved your keytar neck up his ass and twisted vigorously??

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Re: New Arnel Article

Postby etcetera » Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:10 pm

Saint John wrote:This should get interesting. :lol:

http://www.webhosting.au.edu/may/bangkok_journey.html


Hmm...Bangkok Post? Interesting indeed...the ASEAN potential cannot be overemphasized.
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Postby Andrew » Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:13 pm

Journo is a Detroit based guy who works for Billboard amongst others.
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Postby stevew2 » Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:27 pm

"Augeri" "watching him go down" More like throwing him down and kicking him down during the count. They had the chance for him to heal. Shut your pie hole Friga, you got a pretty mouth.Journey should be banned from interveiws.They should be sued for liable. Play your music Journey, we love it.Shut up about the past,dont want to hear your lies.
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Postby wednesday's child » Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:37 pm

That's some candid (LOL) shit there.
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Postby stevew2 » Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:51 pm

Friga bringin up the race thing?thenaboutJeff, not the right voice? and then about his
personallity later on?? Iwant to go to a concert so bad, But Friga need to shut up and play his piano{not giutar}
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Re: New Arnel Article

Postby jourmapac » Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:00 pm

etcetera wrote:
Saint John wrote:This should get interesting. :lol:

http://www.webhosting.au.edu/may/bangkok_journey.html


Hmm...Bangkok Post? Interesting indeed...the ASEAN potential cannot be overemphasized.


i was not so sure or how big the ASIAN potential, but ASEAN (south east asia)potential is a good start...
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Postby Saint John » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:19 pm

treetopovskaya wrote:i love how neal & co throw people under the bus.

The guy's voice was a bad fit. The general concert going public that didn't get backstage passes knew this. The people falling all over the guy because he was accessible are neither objective nor sane when it comes to analyzing Soto's time in the band.
treetopovskaya wrote:sooner or later they'll prolly throw arnel under the bus too.

I don't see all of this "bus" talk, but I'll play along just for you, Wendy. Assuming there is validity to this bus talk (which there clearly isn't) I'm quite sure he and his his fans would walk away with dignity and not scream and cry like little bitches.
treetopovskaya wrote:they did it to perry


This is laughable. They waited from 1986-1994 and he went on and toured without them. Then, when they regrouped and were ready to tour he fucked them over by recording an album that he, by all accounts (especially Herbie Herbert), never intended to tour in support of. Time has proven that they made the right decision. Unless he's been performing since then and didn't tell anyone!!!
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Steve Augeri isn't mad at anyone nor does he hold them accountable for "throwing" him anywhere. Why do you? They waited for Steve to get better for months preceding the 2006 tour. When he came out and had troubles during the beginning of the tour it was obvious he could no longer handle the catalog. Father Time caught up to him. He knows and accepts that. Time you do the same.
treetopovskaya wrote: soto...

The man was paid handsomely during his time in the band. They decided that his voice wasn't a good fit. Most outside of this board agree. I hear people say that at shows all the time. Arnel is a better fit than Soto in every way possible.

treetopovskaya wrote: the things they are saying about arnel are the EXACT same things they were saying about soto.

You were dumb enough to believe that? Get your ears checked.

treetopovskaya wrote: still doesn't excuse them for how they let jss go.

Had he kept "the inner workings" (something he admitted was a mistake) of the band to himself, I suspect he would have gotten what you deem a proper sendoff. I'm told they had the tickets to Knott's Berry Farm reserved and everything. :lol:
treetopovskaya wrote: they should have had the balls to do it in person. man up & put on your big boy pants.

They're running a corporation not a UFC fight. They did what they had to do legally. If Soto's alleged lawsuit against them is indeed true (and I believe it is), then they surely made the right decision.
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Postby conversationpc » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:37 pm

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treetopovskaya wrote: the things they are saying about arnel are the EXACT same things they were saying about soto.

You were dumb enough to believe that? Get your ears checked.


In all fairness, a lot of the things they have said about Arnel are almost exactly what they were saying after Soto joined the band. "The band is energized again" and all that kind of stuff.

treetopovskaya wrote: they should have had the balls to do it in person. man up & put on your big boy pants.

They're running a corporation not a UFC fight. They did what they had to do legally. If Soto's alleged lawsuit against them is indeed true (and I believe it is), then they surely made the right decision.


They SHOULDN'T have done it like a corporation. A band is supposed to be different and they should have manned up and AT LEAST done it personally over the phone, not through the member of another band, for crying out loud. I can't believe that you're even remotely defending that position.
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Postby finalfight » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:43 pm

treetopovskaya wrote:i love how neal & co throw people under the bus. sooner or later they'll prolly throw arnel under the bus too. they did it to perry & augeri... soto... it's just a matter of time until arnel also has tread marks up & down his back. the things they are saying about arnel are the EXACT same things they were saying about soto. jon cain can kiss my lily white booty. bah.

still doesn't excuse them for how they let jss go. they should have had the balls to do it in person. man up & put on your big boy pants.


Lucky Cain. Who do I need to throw under the proverbial bus before I get kiss your lily white booty? :shock: :D
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Postby Saint John » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:50 pm

conversationpc wrote:In all fairness, a lot of the things they have said about Arnel are almost exactly what they were saying after Soto joined the band. "The band is energized again" and all that kind of stuff.

"Energized" is a relative term. They went from a pulseless band that was playing a mostly vocally recorded show to a band that was live again. Hence, the "energized" comment. When the glee and relief of playing live again faded, they realized they had a bad fit vocally for the music they had in the can and the direction they wanted to pursue. That doesn't mean Soto can't sing...just means he didn't have the sound they were looking for.


conversationpc wrote:They SHOULDN'T have done it like a corporation. A band is supposed to be different and they should have manned up and AT LEAST done it personally over the phone, not through the member of another band, for crying out loud. I can't believe that you're even remotely defending that position.

A band is supposed to be a brotherhood. Part of said band divulged information that they deemed inappropriate and they took measures to protect themselves. They used smart business sense. For all of the names they get called and how stupid and classless people deem them I see them playing sold out shows in support of what will soon be a Platinum record. Advantage Journey.
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Postby Luvsaugeri » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:55 pm

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Postby conversationpc » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:07 pm

Saint John wrote:"Energized" is a relative term. They went from a pulseless band that was playing a mostly vocally recorded show to a band that was live again. Hence, the "energized" comment. When the glee and relief of playing live again faded, they realized they had a bad fit vocally for the music they had in the can and the direction they wanted to pursue. That doesn't mean Soto can't sing...just means he didn't have the sound they were looking for.


The fact of the matter is that they made those comments AFTER hearing the way Soto sounded with the band.

A band is supposed to be a brotherhood. Part of said band divulged information that they deemed inappropriate and they took measures to protect themselves. They used smart business sense. For all of the names they get called and how stupid and classless people deem them I see them playing sold out shows in support of what will soon be a Platinum record. Advantage Journey.


They STILL fired a guy via proxy. No excuse whatsoever for doing business like that, no matter how you look at it. Classless and cowardly. Unless someone is a physical danger, you just don't do things that way, period.
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Postby finalfight » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:15 pm

conversationpc wrote:They STILL fired a guy via proxy. No excuse whatsoever for doing business like that, no matter how you look at it. Classless and cowardly. Unless someone is a physical danger, you just don't do things that way, period.


I still think Phil Collins leaving his (2nd?) wife by fax beats the Soto dismissal hands down for pure classlessness (is that even a word?)!
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Postby conversationpc » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:19 pm

finalfight wrote:
conversationpc wrote:They STILL fired a guy via proxy. No excuse whatsoever for doing business like that, no matter how you look at it. Classless and cowardly. Unless someone is a physical danger, you just don't do things that way, period.


I still think Phil Collins leaving his (2nd?) wife by fax beats the Soto dismissal hands down for pure classlessness (is that even a word?)!


Ummm....Yep. :lol:
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Postby Michigan Girl » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:20 pm

I can tell by the responses, same 'ol crap, eh? :wink:
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:23 pm

conversationpc wrote:
Saint John wrote:
treetopovskaya wrote: the things they are saying about arnel are the EXACT same things they were saying about soto.

You were dumb enough to believe that? Get your ears checked.


In all fairness, a lot of the things they have said about Arnel are almost exactly what they were saying after Soto joined the band. "The band is energized again" and all that kind of stuff.


...which in turn, if we dig back, is no doubt what was said about Augeri.

Of course any band is going to make those statements when they make such a big change. But when you hear it happening so often and so close together... that's it loses sincerity.

In fact, I remember reading/hearing talk like this surrounding the '96 reunion too. :shock: :(
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Postby (Crazy)Dulce Lady » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:29 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1P_giB0TKg

mark 1:20

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shut up and sing, play, or listen.

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Postby finalfight » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:34 pm

(Crazy)Dulce Lady wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1P_giB0TKg

mark 1:20

........"don't care..."

shut up and sing, play, or listen.

move forward don't look back.


I don't understand. Are you saying that Journey don't have the right to promote themselves? Personally I thought the article was balanced and although nothing new to us perhaps informative to the wider market they appear to be aiming for.
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Postby Onestepper » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:34 pm

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Saint John wrote:
treetopovskaya wrote: the things they are saying about arnel are the EXACT same things they were saying about soto.

You were dumb enough to believe that? Get your ears checked.


In all fairness, a lot of the things they have said about Arnel are almost exactly what they were saying after Soto joined the band. "The band is energized again" and all that kind of stuff.


...which in turn, if we dig back, is no doubt what was said about Augeri.

Of course any band is going to make those statements when they make such a big change. But when you hear it happening so often and so close together... that's it loses sincerity.

In fact, I remember reading/hearing talk like this surrounding the '96 reunion too. :shock: :(


VERY good points about the 'energized' comments. They need a new line.

It's amazing to me why some just can't deal with the fact that the band didn't like Soto's style or vocals after being out on tour with him. And evidently they didn't like him as a person enough to see what he could do with new material. I tend to think that the personal jab from Cain was more based on the reported law suit than anything else. But obviously didn't mesh regardless. They announced him as their new full time singer. Then they changed their minds. Get over it. This band has never shown any ability to admit they made a mistake, so I'm not sure why people think it's going to be any different just because it involves someone they worship.

It's a tired argument. All parties have moved on. Think about it.
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Postby conversationpc » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:37 pm

Onestepper wrote:It's amazing to me why some just can't deal with the fact that the band didn't like Soto's style or vocals after being out on tour with him. And evidently they didn't like him as a person enough to see what he could do with new material. I tend to think that the personal jab from Cain was more based on the reported law suit than anything else. But obviously didn't mesh regardless. They announced him as their new full time singer. Then they changed their minds. Get over it. This band has never shown any ability to admit they made a mistake, so I'm not sure why people think it's going to be any different just because it involves someone they worship.

It's a tired argument. All parties have moved on. Think about it.


The point is that it's not that they didn't like Soto's style or vocals. During the 2006 tour, they were raving about them. They lied about it and then fired the guy without even letting him know.
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Postby Saint John » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:38 pm

conversationpc wrote:The fact of the matter is that they made those comments AFTER hearing the way Soto sounded with the band.

No shit, Dave. Again, they changed their minds. They gave the guy some kudos for stepping in in a pinch, but ultimately didn't think he was the right choice going forward. Would you have rather they stuck to being wrong and been touring now with a lame record and no interest? And while that is speculation I think most would agree that they found a much better fit.


conversationpc wrote:They STILL fired a guy via proxy. No excuse whatsoever for doing business like that, no matter how you look at it. Classless and cowardly. Unless someone is a physical danger, you just don't do things that way, period.


Jesus H. Christ, Dave. Most bands screw each others' wives and beat the shit out of each other, and you're worried how they released a fucking fill in?!?!?! Give me a break, dude. It's rock and roll not Jesus Christ and The Latter Day Saints. Ultimately, the guy's psychotic fans were going to piss and moan regardless. This was just the excuse du jour. And let me be the first person to acknowledge that I was on that bash Journey bandwagon for a while. But let me also be the first to apologize and admit it was childish and borderline insane. I find it funny how people were so quick to be pro-Journey again on the heels of Tapegate when Soto started dealing out backstage passes like a Vegas blackjack dealer, but mandated that everyone abandon Journey because of "the way" they released the guy. Tapegate was exponentially worse and the fact remains that people were willing to compromise their integrity because they thought they were going to have infinite access and passes to shows, but when that ended they accused those that continued to follow the band "sheep" and other colorful terms. Seems highly hypocritical to me. To me, the music sounds the best it has since 1983 and that's all I fucking care about.
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Postby Onestepper » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:52 pm

conversationpc wrote:
Onestepper wrote:It's amazing to me why some just can't deal with the fact that the band didn't like Soto's style or vocals after being out on tour with him. And evidently they didn't like him as a person enough to see what he could do with new material. I tend to think that the personal jab from Cain was more based on the reported law suit than anything else. But obviously didn't mesh regardless. They announced him as their new full time singer. Then they changed their minds. Get over it. This band has never shown any ability to admit they made a mistake, so I'm not sure why people think it's going to be any different just because it involves someone they worship.

It's a tired argument. All parties have moved on. Think about it.


The point is that it's not that they didn't like Soto's style or vocals. During the 2006 tour, they were raving about them. They lied about it and then fired the guy without even letting him know.


If you re-read my post, I pretty much covered all of that. My point was that I'm surprised that people can't get the points that both you and I outlined. How they handled the firing is a different matter, and I agree it was shitty. I'm sure he got his due when he sued them.
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Postby Tito » Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:19 am

Rick wrote:
DrFU wrote:Except for the slaps at JSS, it's not a bad piece ...


Agreed. I had forgotten that Ross came from the Steve Miller band.


Should've read the Ross Valory appreciation thread. :lol:
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Postby Deb » Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:24 am

Onestepper wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Saint John wrote:
treetopovskaya wrote: the things they are saying about arnel are the EXACT same things they were saying about soto.

You were dumb enough to believe that? Get your ears checked.


In all fairness, a lot of the things they have said about Arnel are almost exactly what they were saying after Soto joined the band. "The band is energized again" and all that kind of stuff.


...which in turn, if we dig back, is no doubt what was said about Augeri.

Of course any band is going to make those statements when they make such a big change. But when you hear it happening so often and so close together... that's it loses sincerity.

In fact, I remember reading/hearing talk like this surrounding the '96 reunion too. :shock: :(


VERY good points about the 'energized' comments. They need a new line.

It's amazing to me why some just can't deal with the fact that the band didn't like Soto's style or vocals after being out on tour with him. And evidently they didn't like him as a person enough to see what he could do with new material. I tend to think that the personal jab from Cain was more based on the reported law suit than anything else. But obviously didn't mesh regardless. They announced him as their new full time singer. Then they changed their minds. Get over it. This band has never shown any ability to admit they made a mistake, so I'm not sure why people think it's going to be any different just because it involves someone they worship.

It's a tired argument. All parties have moved on. Think about it.


And I'm still amazed that that statement keeps coming up. 9 times out of 10 the issue from a Soto fan isn't that Journey didn't think Soto's vocals fit or they changed their minds or whatever..... most times the issue was how it was done. They have every right to do what they want. But I do find it weird, Soto was singing Journey songs in Soul Sirkus, so Neal knew darn well what Soto sounded like on Journey tunes? :? I just get the impression of more of a clash between Cain and Soto. God forbid they have a strong minded frontman like Perry again. :o This fan is just fine with Soto not in Journey, he can creatively spread his wings. And I wish Arnel all the best on the Journey material. The part I find the most laughable in the whole thing SJ (Image), is that you keep trying to find a way to somehow justify or try to make it sound ok, how JSS was dismissed. :roll:
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