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DrFU wrote:Except for the slaps at JSS, it's not a bad piece ...
DrFU wrote:Except for the slaps at JSS...
etcetera wrote:
Hmm...Bangkok Post? Interesting indeed...the ASEAN potential cannot be overemphasized.
treetopovskaya wrote:i love how neal & co throw people under the bus.
treetopovskaya wrote:sooner or later they'll prolly throw arnel under the bus too.
treetopovskaya wrote:they did it to perry
treetopovskaya wrote:& augeri
treetopovskaya wrote: soto...
treetopovskaya wrote: the things they are saying about arnel are the EXACT same things they were saying about soto.
treetopovskaya wrote: still doesn't excuse them for how they let jss go.
treetopovskaya wrote: they should have had the balls to do it in person. man up & put on your big boy pants.
Saint John wrote:treetopovskaya wrote: the things they are saying about arnel are the EXACT same things they were saying about soto.
You were dumb enough to believe that? Get your ears checked.
treetopovskaya wrote: they should have had the balls to do it in person. man up & put on your big boy pants.
They're running a corporation not a UFC fight. They did what they had to do legally. If Soto's alleged lawsuit against them is indeed true (and I believe it is), then they surely made the right decision.
treetopovskaya wrote:i love how neal & co throw people under the bus. sooner or later they'll prolly throw arnel under the bus too. they did it to perry & augeri... soto... it's just a matter of time until arnel also has tread marks up & down his back. the things they are saying about arnel are the EXACT same things they were saying about soto. jon cain can kiss my lily white booty. bah.
still doesn't excuse them for how they let jss go. they should have had the balls to do it in person. man up & put on your big boy pants.
conversationpc wrote:In all fairness, a lot of the things they have said about Arnel are almost exactly what they were saying after Soto joined the band. "The band is energized again" and all that kind of stuff.
conversationpc wrote:They SHOULDN'T have done it like a corporation. A band is supposed to be different and they should have manned up and AT LEAST done it personally over the phone, not through the member of another band, for crying out loud. I can't believe that you're even remotely defending that position.
Saint John wrote:"Energized" is a relative term. They went from a pulseless band that was playing a mostly vocally recorded show to a band that was live again. Hence, the "energized" comment. When the glee and relief of playing live again faded, they realized they had a bad fit vocally for the music they had in the can and the direction they wanted to pursue. That doesn't mean Soto can't sing...just means he didn't have the sound they were looking for.
A band is supposed to be a brotherhood. Part of said band divulged information that they deemed inappropriate and they took measures to protect themselves. They used smart business sense. For all of the names they get called and how stupid and classless people deem them I see them playing sold out shows in support of what will soon be a Platinum record. Advantage Journey.
conversationpc wrote:They STILL fired a guy via proxy. No excuse whatsoever for doing business like that, no matter how you look at it. Classless and cowardly. Unless someone is a physical danger, you just don't do things that way, period.
finalfight wrote:conversationpc wrote:They STILL fired a guy via proxy. No excuse whatsoever for doing business like that, no matter how you look at it. Classless and cowardly. Unless someone is a physical danger, you just don't do things that way, period.
I still think Phil Collins leaving his (2nd?) wife by fax beats the Soto dismissal hands down for pure classlessness (is that even a word?)!
conversationpc wrote:Saint John wrote:treetopovskaya wrote: the things they are saying about arnel are the EXACT same things they were saying about soto.
You were dumb enough to believe that? Get your ears checked.
In all fairness, a lot of the things they have said about Arnel are almost exactly what they were saying after Soto joined the band. "The band is energized again" and all that kind of stuff.
(Crazy)Dulce Lady wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1P_giB0TKg
mark 1:20
........"don't care..."
shut up and sing, play, or listen.
move forward don't look back.
bluejeangirl76 wrote:conversationpc wrote:Saint John wrote:treetopovskaya wrote: the things they are saying about arnel are the EXACT same things they were saying about soto.
You were dumb enough to believe that? Get your ears checked.
In all fairness, a lot of the things they have said about Arnel are almost exactly what they were saying after Soto joined the band. "The band is energized again" and all that kind of stuff.
...which in turn, if we dig back, is no doubt what was said about Augeri.
Of course any band is going to make those statements when they make such a big change. But when you hear it happening so often and so close together... that's it loses sincerity.
In fact, I remember reading/hearing talk like this surrounding the '96 reunion too.![]()
Onestepper wrote:It's amazing to me why some just can't deal with the fact that the band didn't like Soto's style or vocals after being out on tour with him. And evidently they didn't like him as a person enough to see what he could do with new material. I tend to think that the personal jab from Cain was more based on the reported law suit than anything else. But obviously didn't mesh regardless. They announced him as their new full time singer. Then they changed their minds. Get over it. This band has never shown any ability to admit they made a mistake, so I'm not sure why people think it's going to be any different just because it involves someone they worship.
It's a tired argument. All parties have moved on. Think about it.
conversationpc wrote:The fact of the matter is that they made those comments AFTER hearing the way Soto sounded with the band.
conversationpc wrote:They STILL fired a guy via proxy. No excuse whatsoever for doing business like that, no matter how you look at it. Classless and cowardly. Unless someone is a physical danger, you just don't do things that way, period.
conversationpc wrote:Onestepper wrote:It's amazing to me why some just can't deal with the fact that the band didn't like Soto's style or vocals after being out on tour with him. And evidently they didn't like him as a person enough to see what he could do with new material. I tend to think that the personal jab from Cain was more based on the reported law suit than anything else. But obviously didn't mesh regardless. They announced him as their new full time singer. Then they changed their minds. Get over it. This band has never shown any ability to admit they made a mistake, so I'm not sure why people think it's going to be any different just because it involves someone they worship.
It's a tired argument. All parties have moved on. Think about it.
The point is that it's not that they didn't like Soto's style or vocals. During the 2006 tour, they were raving about them. They lied about it and then fired the guy without even letting him know.
Onestepper wrote:bluejeangirl76 wrote:conversationpc wrote:Saint John wrote:treetopovskaya wrote: the things they are saying about arnel are the EXACT same things they were saying about soto.
You were dumb enough to believe that? Get your ears checked.
In all fairness, a lot of the things they have said about Arnel are almost exactly what they were saying after Soto joined the band. "The band is energized again" and all that kind of stuff.
...which in turn, if we dig back, is no doubt what was said about Augeri.
Of course any band is going to make those statements when they make such a big change. But when you hear it happening so often and so close together... that's it loses sincerity.
In fact, I remember reading/hearing talk like this surrounding the '96 reunion too.![]()
VERY good points about the 'energized' comments. They need a new line.
It's amazing to me why some just can't deal with the fact that the band didn't like Soto's style or vocals after being out on tour with him. And evidently they didn't like him as a person enough to see what he could do with new material. I tend to think that the personal jab from Cain was more based on the reported law suit than anything else. But obviously didn't mesh regardless. They announced him as their new full time singer. Then they changed their minds. Get over it. This band has never shown any ability to admit they made a mistake, so I'm not sure why people think it's going to be any different just because it involves someone they worship.
It's a tired argument. All parties have moved on. Think about it.
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