The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[brywool]

Just had a chance to watch the Obama pig comment. There's NO way that he was saying that about Palin.
Just because she used the lipstick bulldog thing a few days ago... it's a common saying.

Gimme a break.

[conversationpc]

Just had a chance to watch the Obama pig comment. There's NO way that he was saying that about Palin.
Just because she used the lipstick bulldog thing a few days ago... it's a common saying.

Gimme a break.

THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE HERE HAS BEEN SAYING...No one seriously believes he originally intended to mean that it was about Palin. However, it's also obvious that the crowd AND Obama both caught the untintended message behind it. He didn't apply it to her on purpose but, looking back, it was obviously not a smart thing to utter.

[Lula]

but if there isn't some trumped up controversy over obama, mccain will have to talk about substance.... issues.... and he has to keep quiet on the issues that people actually care about so he doesn't sound like bush.

[StoneCold]

Just had a chance to watch the Obama pig comment. There's NO way that he was saying that about Palin.
Just because she used the lipstick bulldog thing a few days ago... it's a common saying.

Gimme a break.

THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE HERE HAS BEEN SAYING...No one seriously believes he originally intended to mean that it was about Palin. However, it's also obvious that the crowd AND Obama both caught the untintended message behind it. He didn't apply it to her on purpose but, looking back, it was obviously not a smart thing to utter.

How could they not know it was going to be taken that way? The crowd was laughing as soon as he said "lipstick" they were roaring and clapping when he said "still a pig".

[conversationpc]

but if there isn't some trumped up controversy over obama, mccain will have to talk about substance.... issues.... and he has to keep quiet so he doesn't sound like bush.

This whole "McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time" garbage is extremely misleading. Obama voted along party lines 97% of the time, hardly independent thinking, especially considering Congress has only a 9% approval rating. Obama is hardly the progenitor of change.

[Lula]

congress is stuck....wait for the next election. the fact that the maverick voted 90% with bush is frightening. mccain is a different man today, 8+ yrs ago he actually was interesting, now he is just playing the game to get where he wants to be. obama's record may not be the best in some eyes, but for my stance he is much more to my liking.

i look forward to some real debate on the issues and less of the bs smears.... however, it seems obama has just taken the brakes off the liberal 527s, i imagine the next 8 weeks will be ugly.

[conversationpc]

congress is stuck....wait for the next election. the fact that the maverick voted 90% with bush is frightening. mccain is a different man today, 8+ yrs ago he actually was interesting, now he is just playing the game to get where he wants to be. obama's record may not be the best in some eyes, but for my stance he is much more to my liking.

I need to research it but the 90% percent number is way overstated from what I gather.

[Lula]

what do you know dave, you're certifiably insane

[conversationpc]

what do you know dave, you're certifiably insane

I've been insane long before it was popular.

[Lula]

what do you know dave, you're certifiably insane

I've been insane long before it was popular.

a true maverick! sorry, i had to!

good thing dean is not here any more, his blood pressure would be through the roof but when/if i need ammo, i'll get him from him!

[conversationpc]

I'm fired up and ornery. Bring it on!

Thought for the day: Considering the libs on the board complain about all the conservatives here assailing them, does anyone remember what it was like here two years ago when I first joined this board? I think there was only myself and RedWingFan standing up for conservative positions and the vitriol used against us was far worse than what any of the conservatives are currently doing on this board (see some of Deano's and TNC's posts for evidence... ). I fondly remember TNC openly accusing me of snitching on him to Andrew and then his having to eat crow when Andrew told him it wasn't me. Ah, those were the days.

That being said, despite being fired up and ornery, I do have to go to bed.

[7 Wishes]

Well, I'd prefer Ted Nugent to Palin. McCain - Nugent would be unstoppable.

[artist4perry]

All topics...all debates....all future related posts = ONE THREAD.

Ok?

Sounds great! Good luck with that!

[Don]

All I can say is that the United States is doomed if that clear enemy of the state, Barack Obama, gets elected. He WILL turn America into something similar to North Korea.

So, how long has Ruby Ridge had Broadband service?

[Monker]

THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE HERE HAS BEEN SAYING...No one seriously believes he originally intended to mean that it was about Palin. However, it's also obvious that the crowd AND Obama both caught the untintended message behind it. He didn't apply it to her on purpose but, looking back, it was obviously not a smart thing to utter.

That is complete BULLSHIT. In the other thread, it started with people taking the comment completely out of context and calling him an idiot. Now that you know the context, you are all taking the position that he should have rebuked the crowd...as every commentator has done on the various news chanels.

You are all just a bunch of followers with an inability to think for yourselves.

[RossValoryRocks]

THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE HERE HAS BEEN SAYING...No one seriously believes he originally intended to mean that it was about Palin. However, it's also obvious that the crowd AND Obama both caught the untintended message behind it. He didn't apply it to her on purpose but, looking back, it was obviously not a smart thing to utter.

That is complete BULLSHIT. In the other thread, it started with people taking the comment completely out of context and calling him an idiot. Now that you know the context, you are all taking the position that he should have rebuked the crowd...as every commentator has done on the various news chanels.

You are all just a bunch of followers with an inability to think for yourselves.

He is an IDIOT for having uttered it. His body language says he KNEW he shouldn't have said it.

I will give him the benefit of doubt that he didn't mean to say it, but never the less, he understood the ramifications as soon as he started saying it.

[Since 78]

THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE HERE HAS BEEN SAYING...No one seriously believes he originally intended to mean that it was about Palin. However, it's also obvious that the crowd AND Obama both caught the untintended message behind it. He didn't apply it to her on purpose but, looking back, it was obviously not a smart thing to utter.

That is complete BULLSHIT. In the other thread, it started with people taking the comment completely out of context and calling him an idiot. Now that you know the context, you are all taking the position that he should have rebuked the crowd...as every commentator has done on the various news chanels.

You are all just a bunch of followers with an inability to think for yourselves.

He is an IDIOT for having uttered it. His body language says he KNEW he shouldn't have said it.

I will give him the benefit of doubt that he didn't mean to say it, but never the less, he understood the ramifications as soon as he started saying it.

Exactly!! If he didn't, then he definitely isn't smart enough to run a country.

[separate_wayz]

Smart politicians often couch verbal attacks (especially the more noxious ones) in coded language, so that if they're eventually called out on them, they can say, with plausible deniability: "well, I didn't mean that!".

The linguistic analysis of this brouhaha is a waste of time. The fact is, a lot of reasonable people -- especially women -- interpreted what he said as offensive. That's all that matters -- how it was received, whether that was the intent or not. A less-arrogant candidate would've quickly muttered an half-hearted apology, changed the subject, and gotten back on message. Instead, Barack Obama goes on "Late Night with David Letterman" and keeps the issue alive for another 24-hour news cycle. Is this hubris, arrogance, or stupidity?

If Barack Obama can get pushed off-message so easily (as has happened in the last 48 hours), the next 55 days are going to be excruciating for him. Time is slipping away for him. Momentum is clearly against him. He's losing independents, he's slipped badly among women, and his campaign is badly falling short of fund-raising goals. He has been forced to admit that his "50-state strategy" was a bad idea and a waste of resources, with his campaign effectively pulling out of Georgia, North Carolina, and Montana. If this were a military battle, he would be in the position of getting flanked, and getting ready to have his supply lines cut-off. Very bad news ......

We are now almost two weeks beyond when Sarah Palin was introduced to voters in Dayton, Ohio. Barack Obama's campaign hasn't figured out a workable strategy to counteract her (or the ticket) in the last 13 days. That's an amazing waste of time, given the lateness of the hour. Within exactly three weeks from today, many states will begin early voting. And Obama is spending his time explaining the nuances and hermeneutics of what the phrase "lipstick on a pig" means. Bizarre.

[mikemarrs]

considering today is september 11 it got me to thinking about military and protecting america.it makes more sense to have someone like mccain in office who will stand up to terrorists and not compromise like obama would.obama was claming he would be willing to meet and talk with these enemies of ours but sometimes thats not exactly a wise thing to do.

[mikemarrs]

obama made a major blunder by picking biden as his vice president and not clinton.he may of lost millions of millions in votes by making that critical mistake.then mccain comes along and picks a nice fine lady in palin that was a very sharp decision for various reasons and things like this could be the determining factor when november comes.then you have biden basically admitting that clinton should've been picked for vice president.he may have been trying to kiss up to the clinton supporters but that comment may very well backfire.

[strangegrey]

I will give him the benefit of doubt that he didn't mean to say it, but never the less, he understood the ramifications as soon as he started saying it.

I wont, and that's the problem with alot of the way republican's take a stand on this shit.

Respectfully stu, if this were the other way around and Barack Hussein Obama had a female running mate instead of a stump (who made a lipstick comment during a convention)....and McCain said a "cant put lipstick on a pig" comment...

The press, the entire fucking dumbocrat congress and 3/4 of the rest of the liberal world would have jumped all over McCain for 4 weeks straight. In fact, the resulting political damage that McCain would sustain from liberal vag-flapping would have been so devastating, it could almost derail his entire campaign.

So to that end, I don't give a flying fuck whether or not he meant it or not. I hardly thnk that's the point here...To that end, B. Hussein Obama should have fucking known better. He *should* have people that prevent him from foot-in-mouth situations just like this one....but we all know that the reason why he said what he said is that he's starting to get desperate. Palin's got the dumbocrats so fucking scared, they'll resort to any cheap shot they can to try to sabotage her.

And this is why I feel it's the republican party's responsibility to make those cheap shot motherfuckers eat shit for every fucking under the belt punch they try to take....because if the situation was reversed, the libs would react 10 times worse...

[conversationpc]

That is complete BULLSHIT. In the other thread, it started with people taking the comment completely out of context and calling him an idiot. Now that you know the context, you are all taking the position that he should have rebuked the crowd...as every commentator has done on the various news chanels.

You are all just a bunch of followers with an inability to think for yourselves.

I will make a slight correction. I haven't said that he meant to call her that.

Don't lump me in with the crowd, asswipe. That's exactly what I've been saying the whole time and unless you can prove otherwise, shut the piehole.

[Saint John]

I think he hands down was calling her a pig. End of story. He knew how it would be interpreted, but is so used to being coddled by the press he figured he'd just get another free pass like he did for months against Hillary. The party's over for this terrorist sympathizing fuck and he's imploding. Had McCain said "I'm just calling a spade a spade" while referring to one of Obama's policies I wouldn't be a fucking coward and try to hide behind the "Oh, it's an old saying used all the time" spineless defense. He meant to call her a pig. Period. Speech experts have also noted that right before he delivers a "zinger" he puts his finger by his mouth (as if thinking) before he opens his wind hole and says something stupid or controversial. This time was no exception.

[strangegrey]

That is complete BULLSHIT. In the other thread, it started with people taking the comment completely out of context and calling him an idiot. Now that you know the context, you are all taking the position that he should have rebuked the crowd...as every commentator has done on the various news chanels.

You are all just a bunch of followers with an inability to think for yourselves.

Wow, came up with that one all on your own?

I think you're off the mark. Did he make a mistake with this statement? Absolutely. Was it *his* mistake or his campaign's? No one knows for sure. He's not an idiot, but his God-like status is being challenge, because he's not the shit without a teleprompter. I suspect that you're just reeling at the recent discovery that this guy can't cure cancer, turn bong water into malt liquor, or raise from the politically dead three days later.

Don't confuse a tactical fuck up on the part of him/his campaign with the idea that it wasn't or was not a calculated strike. If I walk up to you at a black-tie event and, unprovoked, and punch you square in the mouth...despite the fact that it was a mistake to do something like that at the event, because it was inappropriate and unjustified....it doesn't mean my punching you wasn't premeditated.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

[Saint John]

turn bong water into malt liquor

You'd be part of Snoop's posse if you could pull that off.

[Barb]

Had McCain said "I'm just calling a spade a spade" while referring to one of Obama's policies I wouldn't be a fucking coward and try to hide behind the "Oh, it's an old saying used all the time" spineless defense.

This world would stop spinning if McCain or ANY Republican said something like that. My God! They are even trying to intimate that the talk about community organizers at the convention was racist.

[Saint John]

Had McCain said "I'm just calling a spade a spade" while referring to one of Obama's policies I wouldn't be a fucking coward and try to hide behind the "Oh, it's an old saying used all the time" spineless defense.

This world would stop spinning if McCain or ANY Republican said something like that. My God! They are even trying to intimate that the talk about community organizers at the convention was racist.

There has also been some whacked out accusations that republicans are making fun of Obama and his "change" talk because republicans think that black people are always begging for change on street corners.

[Tito]

as of late this place looks more like a right wing whacko board rather than a journey board.

It hasn't gone unnoticed.

What's wrong with that? It isn't Pro-Bush.

[Tito]

All I can say is that the United States is doomed if that clear enemy of the state, Barack Obama, gets elected. He WILL turn America into something similar to North Korea.

Dude, nobody has the power to do that alone. Even a US President.

Not by himself, but don't underestimate the elites. It wouldn't happen overnight.

[Tito]

congress is stuck....wait for the next election. the fact that the maverick voted 90% with bush is frightening. mccain is a different man today, 8+ yrs ago he actually was interesting, now he is just playing the game to get where he wants to be. obama's record may not be the best in some eyes, but for my stance he is much more to my liking.

i look forward to some real debate on the issues and less of the bs smears.... however, it seems obama has just taken the brakes off the liberal 527s, i imagine the next 8 weeks will be ugly.

90% is misleading. Most of those are procedural votes, unamious votes, renaming post offices, etc. On hard issues it is a lot less (some if not most I disagree with). Mr. Bi-partisan has a 97% vote along party lines, that is NOT bi-partisan. Also, like Obama hasn't played the game. Come on, they're both full of it.