The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[Big J]

All I can say is that the United States is doomed if that clear enemy of the state, Barack Obama, gets elected. He WILL turn America into something similar to North Korea.

Dude, nobody has the power to do that alone. Even a US President.

That's right. If the USA can survive Bush, it can survive anyone and anything!

[Don]

We are a secular nation, we're supposed to treat all equally regardless of faith, even those of us who don't have a particular one or don't wish to be associated with religion at all.

I agree with everything you said except the "We are a secular nation" part.

You are right, I guess that's my own interpretation of how we have evolved as a state. Thomas Jefferson would have viewed it a such, but his peers were more in line with one nation under God.
30 years ago we were a God fearing people but I think that isn't so much the case for the new generation or myself.

[conversationpc]

30 years ago we were a God fearing people but I think that isn't so much the case for the new generation or myself.

Unfortunately, that is probably the case.

[Barb]

30 years ago we were a God fearing people but I think that isn't so much the case for the new generation or myself.

Unfortunately, that is probably the case.

I've got one of those Godless younger generation kids living in my house. Something went horribly awry somewhere....

[Vocalsmanvocals]

Dude, you forgot the John F'n Kerry part!!!

That brings to mind my favorite fake product...

LOL I am still laughin too hard...this is classic!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Regardless of one's own religious viewpoints, mocking another man's faith is silly. And don't give me separation of church and state... the thought behind that *initially* was to keep the government from telling it's citizens who or what to believe (if anything at all).

Says who?
Jefferson - who followed his own cut 'n' paste bowlderized version of the bible while fucking his slaves, or Franklin, who also had a penchant for stinky french whores?
The Founders were far from men of the cloth.

We were formed under "In God We Trust" not "We're Going to Pretend to be Godless So We Don't Accidentally Offend Someone".

That wasn't our nation's motto until people started suspecting reds under the bed in the 50's.

[Behshad]

All I can say is that the United States is doomed if that clear enemy of the state, Barack Obama, gets elected. He WILL turn America into something similar to North Korea.

Dude, nobody has the power to do that alone. Even a US President.

That's right. If the USA can survive Bush, it can survive anyone and anything!

Man of many words , eh !?


This thread is the same song , verse 256...... And while everyone is trying to convince eachother that their way of thinking is the right way, at the end, 15 pages later and with some personal attacks and f-bombs , the thread gets locked

[conversationpc]

Says who?
Jefferson - who followed his own cut 'n' paste bowlderized version of the bible while fucking his slaves, or Franklin, who also had a penchant for stinky french whores?
The Founders were far from men of the cloth.

Who said they were?

[Rhiannon]

Regardless of one's own religious viewpoints, mocking another man's faith is silly. And don't give me separation of church and state... the thought behind that *initially* was to keep the government from telling it's citizens who or what to believe (if anything at all).

Says who?
Jefferson - who followed his own cut 'n' paste bowlderized version of the bible while fucking his slaves, or Franklin, who also had a penchant for stinky french whores?
The Founders were far from men of the cloth.

So what. Not my problem.

Says who? ...Says every version of American History I've ever studied. Why do you think this country was founded? So we could burn down a bowl and hump trees? Pfa... no, because those pompous-ass dudes were tired of the King taxing the horsepiss out of them (Church of England majorly included there) and decided to... *da-dum* declare independence. Individual funbags aside, that is what we were founded on, and if you think the integrity of the men who laid out this nation negates what they laid down in their ideals, then. ...Canada's a short drive north.

[Barb]

Obama is really losing ground in electoral votes too.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... us_changes

[conversationpc]

Obama is really losing ground in electoral votes too.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... us_changes

My guess is that, though Indiana is currently gray, it will probably go red. Palin was a popular choice here and it looks like incumbent Republican governor Mitch Daniels is probably going to get re-elected, which will bolster the conservative vote.

[7 Wishes]

Nice unbiased source again, Barb.

[S2M]

I don't care what religion a president is. I'm agnostic, and I'm an adult. If anyone wishes to judge me - well fuck YOU. I'm a rather moral person, and not one iota - religious. A Common myth is that morality is based on religion - in a word....BULLSHIT.

Like I said in another thread....I used to be an altarboy. Made my communion, confirmed....etc. When I got to college, I was exposed to other aspects of life. And I made a conscious choice to not believe.

I couldn't care less what a person believes....I don't judge. But if some motherfucker is going to judge me, there will be a bru-haha, believe you me.....

I know Dave is very religious....and that's ok....I respect him....that little fact will not stop me from being his friend.

But......liking this album.....may.

[RedWingFan]

Nice unbiased source again, Barb.

Not good enough for you? Go get a poll conducted by Dan Rather. I'm sure he could whip one up.

[RedWingFan]

WOW! Who saw Sarah on ABC just now. She kicked ass and took names. DAMN!

Stuck at work.

[Barb]

Nice unbiased source again, Barb.

Are you serious? Real Clear Politics? Do you even look at the site before you make these stupid accusations?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

[RedWingFan]

Nice unbiased source again, Barb.

Are you serious? Real Clear Politics? Do you even look at the site before you make these stupid accusations?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

Can I answer for him? No, I just continuously throw the bias card.

[Barb]

WOW! Who saw Sarah on ABC just now. She kicked ass and took names. DAMN!

Thanks for reminding me about that. I just set the DVR.

[strangegrey]

I don't care what religion a president is.....

I couldn't care less what a person believes....I don't judge. But if some motherfucker is going to judge me, there will be a bru-haha, believe you me.....

Well, all I can say is good thing you're not running for president. If Obama actually came out and said "on second thought, guys...I'm really just a muslim, I've been doing this Malcolm-X Christian thing just to get my name on the ticket" his numbers would actually go into the negative. They wouldn't be much better if he said he was muslim from the onset.

The fact is, people do care what religion the president is. That's supportable by this country's entire voting history. You might not, and your vote counts as much as mine. However, you should know that the majority of people in this country do care.

I know Dave is very religious....and that's ok....I respect him....that little fact will not stop me from being his friend.

But......liking this album.....may.

Alright, that made me laugh out loud...hard! I actually like that album as well!

[S2M]

I don't care what religion a president is.....

I couldn't care less what a person believes....I don't judge. But if some motherfucker is going to judge me, there will be a bru-haha, believe you me.....

Well, all I can say is good thing you're not running for president. If Obama actually came out and said "on second thought, guys...I'm really just a muslim, I've been doing this Malcolm-X Christian thing just to get my name on the ticket" his numbers would actually go into the negative. They wouldn't be much better if he said he was muslim from on onset.

The fact is, people do care what religion the president is. That's supportable by this country's entire voting history. You might not, and your vote counts as much as mine. However, you should know that the majority of people in this country do care.

I know Dave is very religious....and that's ok....I respect him....that little fact will not stop me from being his friend.

But......liking this album.....may.

Alright, that made me laugh out loud...hard! I actually like that album as well!

I'm glad I made you laugh....This is a running joke Dave and I have had for a few years now....He knows I absolutely ABHOR that album.....

[Barb]

Barb, it's in 2 parts. Once at the very beginning of ABC Nightly News and another at the end.

This woman ROCKS! Part 2 is killer.

I think her answer to that question was pretty good. I'm not worried about her at all. People love to assume she is just some dumb-dumb. Go ahead and misunderestmate her. That never works out well for the other side.

[Behshad]

Barb, it's in 2 parts. Once at the very beginning of ABC Nightly News and another at the end.

This woman ROCKS! Part 2 is killer.

I think her answer to that question was pretty good. I'm not worried about her at all. People love to assume she is just some dumb-dumb. Go ahead and misunderestmate her. That never works out well for the other side.

Is that a word?, Barbster?

[Barb]

Barb, it's in 2 parts. Once at the very beginning of ABC Nightly News and another at the end.

This woman ROCKS! Part 2 is killer.

I think her answer to that question was pretty good. I'm not worried about her at all. People love to assume she is just some dumb-dumb. Go ahead and misunderestmate her. That never works out well for the other side.

Is that a word?, Barbster?

Yep. It's a Bush-ism.

[Behshad]

Barb, it's in 2 parts. Once at the very beginning of ABC Nightly News and another at the end.

This woman ROCKS! Part 2 is killer.

I think her answer to that question was pretty good. I'm not worried about her at all. People love to assume she is just some dumb-dumb. Go ahead and misunderestmate her. That never works out well for the other side.

Is that a word?, Barbster?

Yep. It's a Bush-ism.

So when you misunderstmate someone, you actually don't underestimate her , whats wrong with that!?

[Don]

Barb, it's in 2 parts. Once at the very beginning of ABC Nightly News and another at the end.

This woman ROCKS! Part 2 is killer.

I think her answer to that question was pretty good. I'm not worried about her at all. People love to assume she is just some dumb-dumb. Go ahead and misunderestmate her. That never works out well for the other side.

Is that a word?, Barbster?

Yep. It's a Bush-ism.

So when you misunderstmate someone, you actually don't underestimate her , whats wrong with that!?

I just learned that lesson when it came to the word irregardless. NOT a word. Regardless is fine by itself, but adding the ir makes it a double negative in effect canceling itself out.

[weatherman90]

All topics...all debates....all future related posts = ONE THREAD.

Ok?

Glad to see you back Andrew! We will try to confine ourselves.

[7 Wishes]

You're all right. Palin is the voice of reason...of an insane asylum, that is. This should disqualify her from consideration on its own merit...if Obama were to have said this, you'd all be crucifying him.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080911/ap_on_el_pr/palin_interview

[7 Wishes]

McCain has defended her qualifications, citing her command of the Alaska National Guard and Alaska's proximity to Russia.

Wow. What a stretch THAT is.

[7 Wishes]

Gov. Sarah Palin: U.S. soldiers are in Iraq on a "task that is from God."

Wow. She REALLY sounds like W here. She is VERY SCARY.

[wastingbeerz]

Finally, a ticket I would truly support comes along:



...but no, seriously... Sarah Palin scares me. I was thinking of voting McCain initially but she's too much of a dangerous woman for me to consider that anymore... Obama all the way!!!