The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[RossValoryRocks]

The BOOM years we enjoyed with Bill Clinton were because of trickle down Reaganomics....
I don't have an MBA though...

This is the most ignorant and false statement I have come across in a long, long time.

Stu, you have insulted me again and again on this thread. You've called me stupid, unknowing, and just flat-out wrong (even though I proved I wasn't). i haven't used that kind of neo-con Rovian bullshit at which your party excels.

Have haven't insulted you in a long time...I can start again if you a feel left out or something...

You are flat our wrong most of the time...doesn't mean I don't like you...no matter what liberal hack site you get your data from...I still like you...I think your comments are those of an idiot at times (as I am sure you think the same of me)...

But Clinton was FORCED to cut taxes in starting in '95 and because of the tax cuts to capital gains and the like money was freed up to invest in our economy...that isn't ignorant or false...that is factual history.

I suggest you go read about it more.

[Lula]

lol, rwf. i'm not going to spin here. he is doing alright. i'm fine with this. it would be mccain's worst nightmare if he didn't pull this one off; it's his only chance at winning.

[conversationpc]

He COULDN'T EVEN RECALL who gave it to him! He doesn't care about it and it's a meaningless prop to him. Go buy yourself a clue, dickhead.

I didn't hear that at all.
Besides, your party isn't above using anything as a prop, up to and including looped footage of the twin towers crumbling.
Nice of you to locate your easily-offended sensibilities in time for the debate tho.

You seriously crack me up.

Yeah, after expressing relief about Tim Russert's passing, you kinda just have to laugh and smile a little when he cracks on someone else's sensibilities.

[csiako]

Everybody is a fucking political expert now.....

More partisan BS.....

I don't know who's worse - Barb, or Stu.....

its called democracy
but can we stop with insults?

[S2M]

BTW, what's the difference here....

I have a bracelet...

I have one too

AND

I have an M.B.A.

I have one too!

[RossValoryRocks]

Actually all I have heard on the economy and foreign policy in this debate from Obama is "Senator McCain is right, but I think we need to do things my way rather than McCain's way."

Which is kind of disturbing.

I still think that Obama is going to win now.

[conversationpc]

The debate's a draw. Obama does look better than he usually does in debates. McCain is doing better than I expected.

[SteveForever]

Actually all I have heard on the economy and foreign policy in this debate from Obama is "Senator McCain is right, but I think we need to do things my way rather than McCain's way."

Which is kind of disturbing.

I still think that Obama is going to win now.

yep....

[The_Noble_Cause]

The debate's a draw. Obama does look better than he usually does in debates. McCain is doing better than I expected.

Agreed.

[RossValoryRocks]

BTW, what's the difference here....

I have a bracelet...

I have one too

AND

I have an M.B.A.

I have one too!

I am far worse than Barb...because I will come to where you live and kick your ass...

Then again being the "Gun Toting Troglodyte" I may come and shoot you...don't know yet...I will have to wait and see...

The best thing about being a conservative is most of us are WELL ARMED!

[conversationpc]

The best thing about being a conservative is most of us are WELL ARMED!

As evidenced by the pic in your sig.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Matt,

do you believe McCains economic proposals offer significant movemnt back to Reaganomics compared to those of "Bust 43" ??? ( I like that nickname, by the way. )

Im truly trying to understand what it is McCain will change vs the Status Quo that will have a significant impact on the current economic mess.

Can you help a brother understand ?

No - beleive me Im not jumping up and down in joy about McCain on economics. I love the man for his service and the fact that he can protect our nation.

On the other hand I dont think he will raise taxes on a slowing economy, Obama will (and that will really kill us) and if McCain really does veto earmarks and cut wasteful spending, I think that is at least that is making a decent start.

[csiako]

Actually all I have heard on the economy and foreign policy in this debate from Obama is "Senator McCain is right, but I think we need to do things my way rather than McCain's way."

Which is kind of disturbing.

I still think that Obama is going to win now.

i think Obama is endorsing McCain

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yeah, after expressing relief about Tim Russert's passing, you kinda just have to laugh and smile a little when he cracks on someone else's sensibilities.

I'm just being honest.
You guys piss and kevtch about the media selecting these shitty candidates for you, well who do you think made that executive decision if not the NBC News Chief?
Voices were excluded and candidates like Obama and McCain were showered with attention.

[Lula]

woohoo, bring on the veeps!!

not too bad.

[RossValoryRocks]

Actually all I have heard on the economy and foreign policy in this debate from Obama is "Senator McCain is right, but I think we need to do things my way rather than McCain's way."

Which is kind of disturbing.

I still think that Obama is going to win now.

i think Obama is endorsing McCain

He has certainly endorsed McCain's ideas...it's the execution of them that is the difference here...

Nothing in tonights debate really distanced one from the other...they look like...and pardon this turn of phrase...photo-negatives of each other...both show the exact same thing...just all the colors are switched.

[SteveForever]

woohoo, bring on the veeps!!

not too bad.

ummm yeah, I weep for the future....

[conversationpc]

Yeah, after expressing relief about Tim Russert's passing, you kinda just have to laugh and smile a little when he cracks on someone else's sensibilities.

I'm just being honest.

You say that as if it really matters. It doesn't. You can't do something like that and then piss and moan about someone else's sensibilities and be taken seriously.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

woohoo, bring on the veeps!!

not too bad.

um not yet!!!, now we got to have 150 million spin doctors from each side regurgitate this debate ad naseum over the next few days, telling us why their guy won and why the other one sucked ass.

[csiako]

lol


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[RossValoryRocks]

You know...who cares? Really I mean...they are both politicians...Hindsight is always 20/20. Both look back and see mistakes...as well all do...they tell us they will change things...and they all say that...and then they get in office...and not much changes...

[The_Noble_Cause]

You say that as if it really matters. It doesn't. You can't do something like that and then piss and moan about someone else's sensibilities and be taken seriously.

I pointed out the hypocrisy in making light of Obama's bracelet versus McCain's, when BOTH stemmed from grieving mothers.
Not sure what you're rambling about.

[StyxCollector]

This was more of a draw than anything else. Neither candidate really impressed me either way or swayed my opinion. Obama did more of what the moderator wanted and addressed McCain directly, hence "John". McCain talked more at Jim Lehrer and the camera than he did to Obama.

Personally, I think the veep debates will be much more entertaining.

[Lula]

right on stu. neither man will destroy the country and real change is probably doubtful. i do want to see obama as our next president tho.

[RossValoryRocks]

lol

He probably did...Obama wins the next one...Biden slips up and says he wants to bang Palin in the moose hunting kiester...and in the end...we are the ones who get anally raped for the next 4-8 years...until the next Penetrator-in-Chief comes along...it's the same thing...every 4 years...and has been for a long time.

[csiako]

first ad about the debate lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJZTc

McCain's team is fast lol

[Barb]

You say that as if it really matters. It doesn't. You can't do something like that and then piss and moan about someone else's sensibilities and be taken seriously.

I pointed out the hypocrisy in making light of Obama's bracelet versus McCain's, when BOTH stemmed from grieving mothers.
Not sure what you're rambling about.

The issue is not the grieving mother. That wasn't even close to the point I was making and YOU KNOW IT. It's just easier for you to get on your high horse and turn it into something totally unrelated to avoid what I ACTUALLY said.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The issue is not the grieving mother. That wasn't even close to the point I was making and YOU KNOW IT. It's just easier for you to get on your high horse and turn it into something totally unrelated to avoid what I ACTUALLY said.

Did not.

[hoagiepete]

I really have no idea how McCain would do as president, but I really got this sense that we would have a commander-in-chief that would definitely project the "don't even fuck with us" demeanor that makes me feel safer as a joe-blow citizen.

All I know...........................

is......................................

if I.....................................

have to spend.............4 ............... years..........................

listening to a president......................................that speaks.................like...............

he is ........................ giving final.......arguements...........to the............jury...............I'll go....

FUCKING NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And don't change the subject to G W's delivery...I know...it sucks too.

[conversationpc]

You say that as if it really matters. It doesn't. You can't do something like that and then piss and moan about someone else's sensibilities and be taken seriously.

I pointed out the hypocrisy in making light of Obama's bracelet versus McCain's, when BOTH stemmed from grieving mothers.
Not sure what you're rambling about.