The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[Saint John]

And I supported Hillary, too. So don't try to suggest I'm a sexist.

No, just dumb.

[7 Wishes]

You have anger, a lot of anger....

That's the LAST thing I am...you don't fucking know me! I was at death's door one year ago, so don't you profess to tell me who I am.

Oh, OK, enlightened one. I've always said I admired McCain.

What I have an issue with are the lies and attacks...on both sides. It's just that a LOT more of them come from the Right. Let alone the right-wing hate-mongers Hannity, O'Reilly, Katz, Beck, and Limbaugh...people against whom there is no recourse in the mainstream media.

THOSE people are angry. Angry, overpaid, fat white men. And the lies and hatred they project make my little diatribes look like Barney songs by comparison.

So lay off.

[treetopovskaya]

i'm guessing you never watch(ed) msnbc?

fox news is there to balance things out. }:C)

Fox? The last bastion of unbiased journalism? Surely you jest!!!

LOL

I love watchign US news channels (when travelling) and Fox News was part of a cable package down under...but I can't bring myself to watch it...some of the worst journalism I have ever seen or witnessed for bias and factual errors.

Not to mention ignorant "news" readers.

And during an entertainment section one night the dickhead was saying how he was still waiting for Boston to get back together. He must have missed their 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006 and 2007 tour dates. What a tool.

[7 Wishes]

And I supported Hillary, too. So don't try to suggest I'm a sexist.

No, just dumb.

OK, not "supported" as in "would have voted for" but "supported" in that I believe she had (has) the intelligence to be commander-in-chief.

[7 Wishes]

i'm guessing you never watch(ed) msnbc?

fox news is there to balance things out. }:C)

With all due respect:

1) MSNBC is the ONLY left-leaning mainstream media source;
2) Fox was around WAY before MSNBC;
3) Olberman is the ONLY one about whom that can be said;
4) At his worst, he is more balanced than Limbaugh and his cronies at their BEST.

[SteveForever]

You have anger, a lot of anger....

That's the LAST thing I am...you don't fucking know me! I was at death's door one year ago, so don't you profess to tell me who I am.

Oh, OK, enlightened one. I've always said I admired McCain.

What I have an issue with are the lies and attacks...on both sides. It's just that a LOT more of them come from the Right. Let alone the right-wing hate-mongers Hannity, O'Reilly, Katz, Beck, and Limbaugh...people against whom there is no recourse in the mainstream media.

THOSE people are angry. Angry, overpaid, fat white men. And the lies and hatred they project make my little diatribes look like Barney songs by comparison.

So lay off.

Your post just proved my point....

[7 Wishes]

No, I haven't.

I made the mistake of responding to someone who doesn't know anything about me, and who only sees what she wants to see.

You are the one who went after me...not the other way around. And it's because you don't agree with me. There are MANY other posters on this board who use MUCH stronger language than I did, and I GUARANTEE you've never made a statement like that about THEM...because YOU agree with THEIR convictions. That makes you a hypocrite.

[RossValoryRocks]

i'm guessing you never watch(ed) msnbc?

fox news is there to balance things out. }:C)

With all due respect:

1) MSNBC is the ONLY left-leaning mainstream media source;
2) Fox was around WAY before MSNBC;
3) Olberman is the ONLY one about whom that can be said;
4) At his worst, he is more balanced than Limbaugh and his cronies at their BEST.

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Fox News is center of the road...they give both sides, the most popular show is The O'Reilly Factor. Bill O'Reilly is about as center as you can get.

They only seem to be right leaning because of how far to the left EVERY OTHER NEWS ORGANIZATION IS!

You talk about the conservatives here spewing the party line, you and TNC are far worse than any of the conservatives here. You are the ULTIMATE hypocrite.

[treetopovskaya]

do you honestly believe all criminals are in jail & innocent people are free? }:C|

people commit horrible crimes all the time & get away with doing so.

what isn't ayers in jail?

like i've already said, i think the mccain ticket is making a mistake with this one. there are those "ties" with questionable characters, racists, crooks, etc in mccain's closet as well. let mccain push this issue while obama talks about what really matters to the american people. it isn't like this ayers stuff is new news, it had been known throughout the primary and nothing came from it.

As of right now, there is nothing more. I know people are trying to find out more and have been blocked. As of now, the only thing I can really say is that if I had knowledge of a character like this, I wouldn't have anything to do with him - EVER.

I have plenty of reasons to not want Obama to be POTUS and about 99% of them are his policies. I don't need any more than that. I don't think McCain will be all that much better and up until he actuallly put a conservative on the ticket, I had no intention of voting for him either.

what people are trying to find out more and who's blocking them? this to me is news.
seriously, if ayers truly was a criminal, a homegrown terrorist, then why is he a free man?

policies, imo, are the only way to vote.

[The_Noble_Cause]

They only seem to be right leaning because of how far to the left EVERY OTHER NEWS ORGANIZATION IS!

Examples please.

[RossValoryRocks]

do you honestly believe all criminals are in jail & innocent people are free? }:C|

people commit horrible crimes all the time & get away with doing so.

what isn't ayers in jail?

like i've already said, i think the mccain ticket is making a mistake with this one. there are those "ties" with questionable characters, racists, crooks, etc in mccain's closet as well. let mccain push this issue while obama talks about what really matters to the american people. it isn't like this ayers stuff is new news, it had been known throughout the primary and nothing came from it.

As of right now, there is nothing more. I know people are trying to find out more and have been blocked. As of now, the only thing I can really say is that if I had knowledge of a character like this, I wouldn't have anything to do with him - EVER.

I have plenty of reasons to not want Obama to be POTUS and about 99% of them are his policies. I don't need any more than that. I don't think McCain will be all that much better and up until he actuallly put a conservative on the ticket, I had no intention of voting for him either.

what people are trying to find out more and who's blocking them? this to me is news.
seriously, if ayers truly was a criminal, a homegrown terrorist, then why is he a free man?

policies, imo, are the only way to vote.

Well on June 17th of 1974 the Weathermen (The Weather Underground) bombed the Gulf Building in Pittsburgh. It was a matter of timing, but they could have killed my father in that attack, thankfully no one was hurt. I don't know how Ayers isn't in jail, but I hope I get to meet the man someday, so I can return the favor.

[RossValoryRocks]

They only seem to be right leaning because of how far to the left EVERY OTHER NEWS ORGANIZATION IS!

Examples please.

BWAHAHAHAHA! Now that is funny. Check out any newscast on ABC, NBC or CBS on the broadcast side. CNN, MSNBC on the other. NPR (A government run show) is even worse, and it above ANY should be non-partisan!

Oh wait...you wouldn't see it is biased, you think it's the truth!

[The_Noble_Cause]

BWAHAHAHAHA! Now that is funny. Check out any newscast on ABC, NBC or CBS on the broadcast side. CNN, MSNBC on the other. NPR (A government run show) is even worse, and it above ANY should be non-partisan!

Oh wait...you wouldn't see it is biased, you think it's the truth!

Like I thought, no examples.
The vast majority of news anchors are rip and read drones - so I guess your beef is really with the commie scum over at the AP and Reuters.
As far as TV commentators are concerned, that playing field is dominated by Conservatives.

[7 Wishes]

CNN...right.

So, the liberal counter to Beck would be...whom?

The right wing media, including Fox News, The Washington Times, and the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal, are not interested in conveying the truth. They exist to further the cause of American conservatism by advancing stories and themes that work to the benefit of conservatives and to the detriment of liberals.

The claim of media "liberal bias" is a myth used by conservative politicians. Propagating this myth serves three functions. First, it creates reluctance among mainstream media outlets to cover issues that conservatives don't want them to, for fear that they will be accused of having a liberal bias. Second, it allows conservatives to deny or dismiss reports in the mainstream media, regardless of whether they are true, because they have discredited the source already. Third, attacking the liberal media can be effective at increasing conservative voter turnout.

[RossValoryRocks]

BWAHAHAHAHA! Now that is funny. Check out any newscast on ABC, NBC or CBS on the broadcast side. CNN, MSNBC on the other. NPR (A government run show) is even worse, and it above ANY should be non-partisan!

Oh wait...you wouldn't see it is biased, you think it's the truth!

Like I thought, no examples.
The vast majority of news anchors are rip and read drones - so I guess your beef is really with the commie scum over at the AP and Reuters.
As far as TV commentators are concerned, that playing field is dominated by Conservatives.

Did you see Charlie Gibson interviewing Palin??? No bias there was there.

You just aren't in touch with reality are you???

You call our brave soldiers murders practically, you don't see the obvious when it is right in front of you and are the biggest hyprocrite I have ever had the displeasure of interacting with.

Moron, idiot and traitor to your country as far as I am concerned. No wonder you like Obama: you fit right in with the people he idolizes. Though I hope I get to meet you face to face someday.

[RossValoryRocks]

CNN...right.

So, the liberal counter to Beck would be...whom?

The right wing media, including Fox News, The Washington Times, and the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal, are not interested in conveying the truth. They exist to further the cause of American conservatism by advancing stories and themes that work to the benefit of conservatives and to the detriment of liberals.

The claim of media "liberal bias" is a myth used by conservative politicians. Propagating this myth serves three functions. First, it creates reluctance among mainstream media outlets to cover issues that conservatives don't want them to, for fear that they will be accused of having a liberal bias. Second, it allows conservatives to deny or dismiss reports in the mainstream media, regardless of whether they are true, because they have discredited the source already. Third, attacking the liberal media can be effective at increasing conservative voter turnout.

Can you please tell me the liberal website you go to so you can get all these quotes???? Nevermind...I will just google your rants...I am sure I will find out you are plagerist as well as a moron.

[7 Wishes]

Actually, that last post is the first non-original statement I've made on this thread. I was too tired to use my own words.

You misspelled the word "plagiarist," incidentally.

And here we go with the name-calling again.

Fuck you, Stuart. Goodnight.

[RossValoryRocks]

Actually, that last post is the first non-original statement I've made on this thread. I was too tired to use my own words.

You misspelled the word "plagiarist," incidentally.

And here we go with the name-calling again.

Fuck you, Stuart. Goodnight.

Sorry typing fast...

I am just following your lead oh unwashed one...you are another I hope to meet face to face one day.

[7 Wishes]

Really? No shit? Unwashed one? Because I'm a Democrat? You see, I take two showers a day, so...

Never mind.

That IS me in my AV, asshole. So feel free to come say hello at ANY concert you wish in the future.

YOU start this shit EVERY time. I shouldn't even validate you, but I'm not capable of that sometimes. Especially tonight.

But let the record show...AGAIN...you started with the name-calling...AND the physical threats.

Like I said, next Journey show ANYWHERE within five hours of Charlotte...come looking for me. We'll finally get to talk!

[RossValoryRocks]

Really? No shit? Unwashed one? Because I'm a Democrat? You see, I take two showers a day, so...

Never mind.

That IS me in my AV, asshole. So feel free to come say hello at ANY concert you wish in the future.

YOU start this shit EVERY time. I shouldn't even validate you, but I'm not capable of that sometimes. Especially tonight.

But let the record show...AGAIN...you started with the name-calling...AND the physical threats.

Like I said, next Journey show ANYWHERE within five hours of Charlotte...come looking for me. We'll finally get to talk!

Let see...I start this shit...I have read pages and pages of you calling all of the conservatives here "neo-cons" and other less savory things, let's see who started what.

No No No...see...you don't understand shit...EVER...I want to meet you...REALLY...have a beer and actually discuss this shit over a drink (or soda if you don't booze it). Once I convert you to the conservative way you will be sane and rational and never have to worry about life again...it's freeing.

I will be sure to invite you to the next Journey show I go to in the south.

First beer is on me.

[7 Wishes]

you are another I hope to meet face to face one day.

OK, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm tired...been up all night doing some re-mixing for my friend's demo CD. That, and RIGHT when you wrote that, the fucking Red Sox blew the damned game.

Sorry, man. My bad.

[Rhiannon]

you are another I hope to meet face to face one day.

OK, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm tired...been up all night doing some re-mixing for my friend's demo CD. That, and RIGHT when you wrote that, the fucking Red Sox blew the damned game.

Sorry, man. My bad.

That's right... hug it out, mothertruckers!

[RossValoryRocks]

you are another I hope to meet face to face one day.

OK, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm tired...been up all night doing some re-mixing for my friend's demo CD. That, and RIGHT when you wrote that, the fucking Red Sox blew the damned game.

Sorry, man. My bad.

That's right... hug it out, mothertruckers!

Hush you! You have just been wanting to see man on man love since Dan and Beshad had that little moment in the middle of AATY!

[RossValoryRocks]

you are another I hope to meet face to face one day.

OK, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm tired...been up all night doing some re-mixing for my friend's demo CD. That, and RIGHT when you wrote that, the fucking Red Sox blew the damned game.

Sorry, man. My bad.

You are Sox fan??? You are worse off that I thought...first FIFTH is on me...forget beer you need stronger medicine than that! LOL

[Rhiannon]

Hush you! You have just been wanting to see man on man love since Dan and Beshad had that little moment in the middle of AATY!

Naw, I just want everybody happy.
...It's your fault I missed that anyway. Oh well, these drinks in/around Charlotte will just have to coincide with a trip home for me so I can join in on the fun... maybe mediate the bickering again if need be.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Did you see Charlie Gibson interviewing Palin??? No bias there was there.

You just aren't in touch with reality are you???

Gibson's co-moderated ABC debate between Obama and Hillary was routinely criticized for raising Conservative hot button issues like flag lapel pins, Rev. Wright, Bittergate, the Weather Underground etc. etc.
Gibson's about as middle of the road as they come.
Scott McCellan said it best (regarding Iraq).."the 'liberal media' didn't live up to its reputation. If it had, the country would have been better served."
Aside from Olbermann, it simply doesn't exist.

You call our brave soldiers murders practically, you don't see the obvious when it is right in front of you and are the biggest hyprocrite I have ever had the displeasure of interacting with.

Moron, idiot and traitor to your country as far as I am concerned. No wonder you like Obama: you fit right in with the people he idolizes. Though I hope I get to meet you face to face someday.

More examples please.

[Jana]

Chris Matthews is liberal. And he just has such a Hillary Clinton bias. I've never been more disgusted by the idiotic, demeaning sexist comments on Hillary Clinton and then his lovefest for Obama. When all that shit went on, that's when I really came to admire her. A few of the Democratic-leaning hosts (I don't call them newsmen) were so out to get Hillary and were salivating over Obama, and that woman just took hit after hit. And she could sit down and talk policy, issues, you name it. You didn't have to agree with her, but you had to admire her intellect. Keith Olbermann, ugh.

On the conservative side, Rush Limbaugh is an idiot. Sean Hannity, forget it. Bill O'Reilly, if he wasn't just an arrogant bastard who enjoys shouting over Democratic guests, he might even get more interviews, because he actually could call them out on what he doesn't agree with but allow some sort of discourse. But he's not capable. I still watch his show, though, and he can actually be fair at times.

But to blame media for Sarah Palin is silly. I would respect just one Republican on this board if they would admit she's unqualified as VP, especially as a potential President, and that it worries them, and wishes McCain had chosen someone else. Any takers? I thought not.

My two cents for the night.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Chris Matthews is liberal. And he just has such a Hillary Clinton bias. I've never been more disgusted by the idiotic, demeaning sexist comments on Hillary Clinton and then his lovefest for Obama. When all that shit went on, that's when I really came to admire her. A few of the Democratic-leaning hosts (I don't call them newsmen) were so out to get Hillary and were salivating over Obama, and that woman just took hit after hit. And she could sit down and talk policy, issues, you name it. You didn't have to agree with her, but you had to admire her intellect.

Mathews is a political opportunist, who extols the virtues of Bush's Lincoln-like "sunny nobility" on Monday and then gets Obama-inspired "shivers up his leg" Tuesday. Yes, he worked for Democratic politicians, but the measure of political bias should be whether a program is used to advocate policy. Mathews, if anything, is a panderer that courted both sides and ended up with a fanbase of neither.

Keith Olbermann, ugh.

Olbermann only turned on Hillary once she couldn't win electorally and her campaign adopted slimeball tactics - many of which are now in use against Obama by McCain.

[Jana]

I forgot to mention I really like the Joe Scarborough show in the morning. He's a conservative Republican, but he has all kinds of guests on and treats people with respect from what I've seen all of the time. And he is not an all Democrats are evil show, unlike the Rush Limbaugh show. He will detail strengths of candidates and says what he admires about them or their campaign, but. clearly. has his conservative beliefs. I enjoy that show.

I especially enjoyed it the time McCain appeared via satellite and couldn't even handle being asked about the negative ads (lipstick on a pig and something else) he was running by Mika, and kind of laid into her. And you could see his face was grimacing and jaw clenched, and over nothing. That really kind of made me nervous about his temperment. He accused Mika of voting for Obama anyway. What an inappropriate thing to say. Her questions weren't bad and he was pissed off and couldn't handle it. And, personally, I had always thought she was Republican anyway. I think McCain is unraveling.

[donnaplease]

Such as his 'cut & run' tactics.

Like it or not, this war is going to come to an end.
Since an overwhelming amount of the Iraqis want us to leave are they traitorous cowards?
When the Prime Minister of Iraq endorsed Obama's exit plan was he too being a gutless wonder?

No doubt when McCain says its time to leave that will be bold leadership and not a case of cutting lady liberty's legs out from under her, right?

Such as his comments about our military killing innocent civilians.

Those were taken out of context, and he is 100% on the mark.
The civilian death tally in Afghanistan did outnumber insurgents.
This concern was expressed by the Afghan president to George Bush as well.

"We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there."

Such as him talking about the war as a mistake.

It isn't? Do you think Vietnam was righteous and just?

I don't get your second comment. Military donations? What does that mean?

Obama has beaten McCain in campaign donations by servicemen. And Ron Paul, arguably a more anti-war voice then Obama, is right below him.

I'm not gonna break all this down and answer it line-by-line because, well... I don't feel like it. But... I never said I didn't want the war to come to an end. However, I want it to end in a positive way, one that will leave the country with a chance of success instead of certain failure, which may in the end prove to be worse than going there in the first place. Right or wrong, we went there. My belief (and I know some disagree) is that we went there originally for what was at least thought to be legitimate reasons. It would be far more of a travesty if we left the people unprepared for the future. As far as the Iraqis wanting us to leave, I have no knowledge of that. From what I've read and seen, the Iraqis are grateful to the Americans for what they do there. Perhaps not all, but most. I believe McCain will base his decisions on when to leave by the conditions in IRAQ, not the conditions of his campaign. I can't say the same for Obama, unfortunately.

Where is the information to support your comment on campaign donations? Just curious.

Listen, I am of the viewpoint that our reputation in the world has been affected by the horrible things that are said about our country and it's leaders by our own countrymen and women, comments that are primarily made by the far-left among us. And then these same people are the ones that talk about how low our reputation in the world has become. I mean, if we hold our country in such low esteem, why should they respect us??? I understand these people have the right to say what they want, I just think they have a responsibility to say things in a way that doesn't encourage our enemies. There's a way to argue a point, and there's a way not to. Calling a president and our military troops murderers, etc is an unacceptable way to do that, IMO.