The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

by **Enigma869** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:30 pm

New AP poll shows race is a dead heat...

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/n ... 1200709061

by **conversationpc** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:33 pm

Enigma869 wrote:New AP poll shows race is a dead heat...

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/n ... 1200709061

Hmmm...Most of the other polls still show Obama with a 5+ lead.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... index.html

by **7 Wishes** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:49 pm

The problem for McCain is that he trails significantly in the swing states. Unless he can capture Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, he doesn't stand a mathematical chance.

by **oakley_reef** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:51 pm

conversationpc wrote:
oakley_reef wrote:if obama win no more GOD BLESS AMERICA but ALA BLESS AMERICA what a shame!

Who are you and where did you not learn English?

it doesnt matter if im not fluent in english what's the important is i can express my thoughts and my statement is understandable.but anyway, i admire you for one of the fan of mc cain so do i...

by **7 Wishes** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:58 pm

Dude, try again. And turn off Limbaugh and Hannity...it leads to brain rot.

by **treetopovskaya** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:02 pm

btw i wasn't "whining".

anyway... palin is a tough cookie & can prolly take whatever is tossed her way. it just shows what a classy/strong lady she is.

i bet that drives some CRAZY! seeing she hasn't broken.

is it REALLY that important how much she spent on clothes, hair, make up, etc? is that a reason not to vote for the mccain ticket?

Enigma869 wrote:
treetopovskaya wrote:be fair tho. all of them are spending money to look good. this is a VERY important job interview. no one is discussing how much the others spend on clothes. this is just yet another gab at sp... by the media. boo. if sp was a man... no one would care how much is being spent on clothes... hair... etc.

Stop whining. All this "Why is everyone picking on poor Sarah" nonsense is embarrassing! Also, what you're saying is flat out false. It seems to me that it wasn't very long ago when John Edwards got a whole lot of shit for getting a $400.00 haircut, so your theory is simply false! Also, I'm quite sure that McCain, Obama, and Biden haven't spent $150K, between all three of them, on clothes and haircuts!

John from Boston

by **Skylorde** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:02 pm

Somewhat on topic. This is just another shining example of how socialism is and always will be an abject failure.

The 'Trophy Kids' Go to Work

When Gretchen Neels, a Boston-based consultant, was coaching a group of college students for job interviews, she asked them how they believe employers view them. She gave them a clue, telling them that the word she was looking for begins with the letter "e." One young man shouted out, "excellent." Other students chimed in with "enthusiastic" and "energetic." Not even close. The correct answer, she said, is "entitled." "Huh?" the students responded, surprised and even hurt to think that managers are offended by their highfalutin opinions of themselves.

If there is one overriding perception of the millennial generation, it's that these young people have great -- and sometimes outlandish -- expectations. Employers realize the millennials are their future work force, but they are concerned about this generation's desire to shape their jobs to fit their lives rather than adapt their lives to the workplace.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1224552 ... lenews_wsj

by **7 Wishes** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:05 pm

She's about as classy as Roseanne Barr.

by **Skylorde** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:05 pm

7 Wishes wrote:Dude, try again. And turn off Limbaugh and Hannity...it leads to brain rot.

Total brain rot. He could try Air America radio...are they still around? [/grin]

by **Enigma869** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:06 pm

conversationpc wrote:Hmmm...Most of the other polls still show Obama with a 5+ lead.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... index.html

NBC's latest poll has Obama ahead by almost 10 points.

John from Boston

by **Enigma869** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:12 pm

treetopovskaya wrote:is it REALLY that important how much she spent on clothes, hair, make up, etc? is that a reason not to vote for the mccain ticket?

No. The fact that she is intellectually bankrupt and fucking clueless is THE REASON not to allow that jackass anywhere near The White House! She can keep spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on her hair and makeup. She can also keep charging the taxpayers of Alaska to fly her children around the country on "official business" (shouldn't these children be in school?). None of it will matter, because I firmly believe that the 4 nutbags on here who think Palin is competent to lead our country are not a representative sample of how most of the country feels, and more importantly, how they will vote!

John from Boston

by **Lula** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:16 pm

sarah will donate the clothing to charity after the campaign, what a gal!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14840.html

i don't give a rat's ass how much of a clothing allowance palin has. what bugs me is they sell her as "one of us" and clearly that is not good enough to be veep. and let us not forget the "elite" label placed on obama by the mccain campaign. elite my ass!

quite frankly i'm tired of her and her lack of knowledge. you'd think she would've figured out the role of vp by now. the past few days have been comical with mccain/palin tho and i am appreciative of the laughs. i know the campaign trail must be exhausting and most will slip up, so it's par for the course and nothing too major.

by **treetopovskaya** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:43 pm

so i guess the clothing thing is moot.

what a gal indeed! }:C)

what about that biden? he says the darndest things don't he? }:CP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jf17Yo7hBM

Lula wrote:sarah will donate the clothing to charity after the campaign, what a gal!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14840.html

i don't give a rat's ass how much of a clothing allowance palin has. what bugs me is they sell her as "one of us" and clearly that is not good enough to be veep. and let us not forget the "elite" label placed on obama by the mccain campaign. elite my ass!

quite frankly i'm tired of her and her lack of knowledge. you'd think she would've figured out the role of vp by now. the past few days have been comical with mccain/palin tho and i am appreciative of the laughs. i know the campaign trail must be exhausting and most will slip up, so it's par for the course and nothing too major.

by **conversationpc** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:43 pm

Enigma869 wrote:None of it will matter, because I firmly believe that the 4 nutbags on here who think Palin is competent to lead our country are not a representative sample of how most of the country feels, and more importantly, how they will vote!

If you are including me in this "4 nutbags" comment, with all due respect, kiss my ass. I don't believe I've ever said she's competent to run this country. I do think she's MORE competent than either Biden or Obama but that, by no stretch of the imagination, makes her competent ENOUGH to run the country.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:45 pm

treetopovskaya wrote:is it REALLY that important how much she spent on clothes, hair, make up, etc? is that a reason not to vote for the mccain ticket?

Ordinarily, no, but considering how the McCain camp has taken aim at what Obama drinks, reads, and wears as proof positive of elitism, yes, it matters.
It further matters, because Palin's image is intertwined with her public perception as an everyday soccer mom/joe sixpack.

by **7 Wishes** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:49 pm

Had Obama done this, every single Republican on this board would be calling for his immediate withdrawal from the race.

by **treetopovskaya** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:50 pm

maybe she should just show up in her son's used hockey jersey. torn jeans & fuzzy slippers. }:C)

curlers in hair.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
treetopovskaya wrote:is it REALLY that important how much she spent on clothes, hair, make up, etc? is that a reason not to vote for the mccain ticket?

Ordinarily, no, but considering how the McCain camp has taken aim at what Obama drinks, reads, and wears as proof positive of elitism, yes, it matters.
It further matters because Palin's image in intertwined with her public perception as an everyday soccer mom/joe sixpack.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:55 pm

Enigma869 wrote:It seems to me that it wasn't very long ago when John Edwards got a whole lot of shit for getting a $400.00 haircut, so your theory is simply false!

Which, as far as I am aware, was paid for with his own money - not campaign donors.
That's the main reason this Palin story has any legs.

by **conversationpc** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:58 pm

7 Wishes wrote:Had Obama done this, every single Republican on this board would be calling for his immediate withdrawal from the race.

Dude, I can't tell half the time who you are talking to because you don't quote half the time...Regardless, you really think anyone would call for Obama to withdraw from the race over spending money on clothing? It may be stupid but it's not illegal.

by **treetopovskaya** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:04 pm

got this in an email...

"Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights?"

http://www.linearpublishing.com/orsonscottcard.html

by **Lula** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:15 pm

honest reporter.... there are certainly those that are not journalists posing as journalists and there are biased persons, but i think there are still some decent journalists out there, gotta think.... might have to be in the morning

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:34 pm

treetopovskaya wrote:got this in an email...

"Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights?"

http://www.linearpublishing.com/orsonscottcard.html

Like most political emails, this has all the newsvalue of penis enlargement spam.
If you haven't clicked 'delete' by the time Card cites Townhall.com as a factual source, you certainly should by the time he says Bush never linked Iraq to 9-11.

by **treetopovskaya** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:52 pm

it actually wasn't spam. a very good friend sent me the link. this op-ed piece was published in a newspaper...

http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2008-10-05-1.html

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
treetopovskaya wrote:got this in an email...

"Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights?"

http://www.linearpublishing.com/orsonscottcard.html

Like most political emails, this has all the newsvalue of penis enlargement spam.
If you haven't clicked 'delete' by the time Card cites Townhall.com as a factual source, you certainly should by the time he says Bush never linked Iraq to 9-11.

by **7 Wishes** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:18 pm

Whatever.

THIS ONE cites actual facts and lets them speak for themselve.

http://iarnuocon.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/01/1940028-the-republican-roots-of-the-subprime-crisis

Wrong yet AGAIN, Tree.

by **conversationpc** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:14 pm

7 Wishes wrote:Whatever.

THIS ONE cites actual facts and lets them speak for themselve.

http://iarnuocon.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/01/1940028-the-republican-roots-of-the-subprime-crisis

Wrong yet AGAIN, Tree.

As has been pointed out several times during this thread, this was a completely bi-partisan event. No matter how much you want your party to escape blame, it just isn't going to happen. The following articles show that there was plenty of blame to go around.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/792/
http://www.spectator.co.uk/print/the-ma ... unch.thtml

Also, a telling statement from another article, quoting a Democratic Congressman...

In the meantime, let us praise Congressman Artur Davis of Alabama, who confessed this week: "Like a lot of my Democrat colleagues I was too slow to appreciate the recklessness of Fannie and Freddie when in retrospect I should have heeded the concerns raised. I wish my Democrat colleagues would admit that we were wrong." I fear Congressman Davis will not go far with this attitude – but at least he will be able to look at himself in the mirror.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 49653.html

by **strangegrey** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:18 pm

RedWingFan wrote:
conversationpc wrote:To show you how much of a McCain/Palin fan I am...There was a message on our voicemail when we got home from the McCain campaign...Pissed me off.

Before he picked Palin, I got a call from his campaign asking for a donation. I politely told them that, "I'm a conservative, call a moderate and ask them." Then hung up.

Back during the primaries, I got a call from the RNC asking for money. The guy on the phone said "Mr Benooti (they always fuck up my name), which Democrat would you least like to see in office, Hilary Clinton or Barrack Obama?"

My response was "John McCain"

The phone call ended very shortly after that, but needless to say, the kid didn't have a retort prepared for that...

by **conversationpc** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:27 pm

strangegrey wrote:Back during the primaries, I got a call from the RNC asking for money. The guy on the phone said "Mr Benooti (they always fuck up my name), which Democrat would you least like to see in office, Hilary Clinton or Barrack Obama?"

My response was "John McCain"

The phone call ended very shortly after that, but needless to say, the kid didn't have a retort prepared for that...