The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't remember any reasons. He was too busy berating the woman trying to present a case for it.

He gave the same reasons the Pentagon gave. That soldiers would stay in only long enough to qualify for the bill's benefits, and then drop out. I forgot the exact duration of the bill, but it seemed pretty fair to me. Recruitment levels being what they are, I fail to see how McCain can be in a position to be choosy. The drafters of the bill (Webb, Warner) claimed they looked into that very issue before drafting it.

[nolippin]

It was my understanding that what the woman was trying to accomplish was to get Congress to enact some legislation that would aid in locating/releasing POW/MIAs. The Vietnam Vets claim is that McCain was afraid his own records would be released and expose him for the coward he really is so he stood in the way of it.

So I don't understand your response.

I don't remember any reasons. He was too busy berating the woman trying to present a case for it.

He gave the same reasons the Pentagon gave. That soldiers would stay in only long enough to qualify for the bill's benefits, and then drop out. I forgot the exact duration of the bill, but it seemed pretty fair to me. Recruitment levels being what they are, I fail to see how McCain can be in a position to be choosy. The drafters of the bill (Webb, Warner) claimed they looked into that very issue before drafting it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

So I don't understand your response.

I was under the impression that Lula was referring to McCain's lack of support for the GI benefit bill.
Clearly you are referring to another piece of legislation.

[nolippin]

Yes, what I'm speaking about is this...scroll down 5-6 vids. There is also an audio clip just above it that outlines why the Vietnam Vets hate McCain.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

The woman he was berating was the head of the National Alliance POW/MIA. Delores Alfond.

So I don't understand your response.

I was under the impression that Lula was referring to McCain's lack of support for the GI benefit bill.
Clearly you are referring to another piece of legislation.

[Don]

Didn't both Carter and Clinton have whacko brothers???


John from Boston

they sure did! roger clinton and billy carter. remember billy beer?

Billy was good people.

[treetopovskaya]

maybe it's due to his age & the fact that he had cancer removed from his face. }:C(

To me he always looks angry. His smile is very forced and you can always see his jaw clenching. He is just scary, IMO, and Palin is as dumb as a box of rocks. She doesn't even know what the VP's job is.

funny thing tho, mccain was always a media darling. remember the big bbq he had for them at his place in sedona, must've been during the primary? when he began censoring things really changed. brings the image of tina fey's palin doing the press conference and responding to the debate, mccain was like "gggrrrrrrrr "

[treetopovskaya]

"grrrr"

that was funny! }:C))

funny thing tho, mccain was always a media darling. remember the big bbq he had for them at his place in sedona, must've been during the primary? when he began censoring things really changed. brings the image of tina fey's palin doing the press conference and responding to the debate, mccain was like "gggrrrrrrrr "

[treetopovskaya]

lol

It's interesting, I was talking to my best friend about all the candidates about eight months ago. She's a captain for a major airline. She told me that she was talking to the pilots who have the Washington D.C. route and was stunned to hear that McCain was the biggest asshole out of all the politicians, that it was well known. And they were all surprised, because they admired him. She's a Republican and voting for him, so it wasn't a malicious comment.

[treetopovskaya]

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Iss ... 771b9f.htm

http://vets4mccain.com/

[Skylorde]

The correct answer is Obama got to choose associates like Rev Wright and Bill Ayers, McCain didn't get to choose his family.

I must have missed something here

[Skylorde]

We live in a country that has a two party system. If you don't favor the one, you favor the other, if only by default.
Nowhere have I said the Democrats are the answer, but until election reform, third parties are a waste of time.

You are beginning to catch on. Both parties have a *very* vested interest in protecting the status quo. Until the general populous realizes that and demands change, we'll plod on this destructive course.

And aside from Olbermann, who might they be again?

Here are the ones I've personally listened to: Press, Rhodes, Franken, Hartmann, just to name a few.

I know nothing about him rephrasing his statements.

In the weeks after 9/11, he took a lot of heat for the NY Times interview. He 'clarified' the "...I feel we didn't do enough" statement by saying something to the effect he didn't mean he should have set more bombs, he meant he should have done more to protest the war. Ummm, yea, I'll gulp that down.

He did say he was taken out of context, but whether that's true or false doesn't matter.

It does matter if he was or wasn't taken out of context & I don't believe he was. He's padding his comments because he went too far out on a limb.

Any one-dimensional monstrification of a private citizen should be cautioned against - especially when the crimes at issue happened four decades ago.

Joe the Plumber comes to mind. Back taxes & lack of a license are hardly despicable crimes but the left had no problem discrediting Joe with them.

This public demand for an apology didn't exist until he became an unwitting centerpiece in a political campaign.

Not accurate. By early 2001, he had slipped into relative obscurity in comparison to his high profile days. The coincidental timing of his book with 9/11 catapulted him back into the American consciousness to a limited extent. Discussions of his lack of remorse pre-date this election.

The man is an educator, is extensively published, and has been recognized by his community for his accomplishments.

Karl Marx is considered by many to be an educator and is recognized far beyond the community he resided in. Whats your point?

This is not to grant him absolution, but to keep saying Barack HUSSEIN Obama "palls around with a terrorist" distorts reality, and is extremely dangerous.

HUSSEIN is his name, he should change it if he doesn't like it. My opinion, "Pals" is an exaggeration however Obama has not been completely forthcoming about this "acquaintance". Surprisingly, Anderson Cooper did a pretty damning piece on the Ayres-Obama relationship pointing out (and confirming what I suspect) is there's more to it than what the Obama campaign has admitted to.

If the continual Boo Radley demonization of Ayers doesn't end in spilt blood, I will be greatly surprised.

I won't be shedding tears if it does. The hunter becomes the hunted, sucks to be him. Ayers wasn't concerned about spilling blood when he was planning his bombing campaigns.

[Enigma869]

"Joe The Plumber" says he is considering running for Congress! I guess 15 seconds of fame aren't enough for some people


http://news.aol.com/elections/article/j ... 1200711340


John from Boston

[nolippin]

Nah...he'd have to pay his back taxes first, wouldn't he??

"Joe The Plumber" says he is considering running for Congress! I guess 15 seconds of fame aren't enough for some people


http://news.aol.com/elections/article/j ... 1200711340


John from Boston

[Lula]

i heard this last night. anything is possible and joe the plumber might be what the republican party needs. we'll add him to sarah hockey mom palin and seek out bob the builder, ron the roofer, carl the cook, milly the meter maid, etc...

[strangegrey]

i heard this last night. anything is possible and joe the plumber might be what the republican party needs. we'll add him to sarah hockey mom palin and seek out bob the builder, ron the roofer, carl the cook, milly the meter maid, etc...

Don't forget "Joe the 911 caller," "George the treasonous executive," and "Dick the duck hunter."

[treetopovskaya]

notice how this post is overlooked & people are more interested in "joe the plumber" possibly running for congress in 2010? just like no one wanted to discuss my post on sarah palin's plan for special needs children.

Great...

Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber

Investigators trying to determine whether access was illegal

Friday, October 24, 2008 8:57 PM
By Randy Ludlow

The Columbus Dispatch

"State and local officials are investigating if state and law-enforcement computer systems were illegally accessed when they were tapped for personal information about "Joe the Plumber."

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher became part of the national political lexicon Oct. 15 when Republican presidential candidate John McCain mentioned him frequently during his final debate with Democrat Barack Obama.

The 34-year-old from the Toledo suburb of Holland is held out by McCain as an example of an American who would be harmed by Obama's tax proposals.

Public records requested by The Dispatch disclose that information on Wurzelbacher's driver's license or his sport-utility vehicle was pulled from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database three times shortly after the debate.

Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned to the office of Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency and the Toledo Police Department.

It has not been determined who checked on Wurzelbacher, or why. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business.

Paul Lindsay, Ohio spokesman for the McCain campaign, attempted to portray the inquiries as politically motivated. "It's outrageous to see how quickly Barack Obama's allies would abuse government power in an attempt to smear a private citizen who dared to ask a legitimate question," he said.

Isaac Baker, Obama's Ohio spokesman, denounced Lindsay's statement as charges of desperation from a campaign running out of time. "Invasions of privacy should not be tolerated. If these records were accessed inappropriately, it had nothing to do with our campaign and should be investigated fully," he said.

The attorney general's office is investigating if the access of Wuzelbacher's BMV information through the office's Ohio Law Enforcement Gateway computer system was unauthorized, said spokeswoman Jennifer Brindisi.

"We're trying to pinpoint where it came from," she said. The investigation could become "criminal in nature," she said. Brindisi would not identify the account that pulled the information on Oct. 16.

Records show it was a "test account" assigned to the information technology section of the attorney general's office, said Department of Public Safety spokesman Thomas Hunter.

Brindisi later said investigators have confirmed that Wurzelbacher's information was not accessed within the attorney general's office. She declined to provide details. The office's test accounts are shared with and used by other law enforcement-related agencies, she said.

On Oct. 17, BMV information on Wurzelbacher was obtained through an account used by the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency in Cleveland, records show.

Mary Denihan, spokeswoman for the county agency, said the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services contacted the agency today and requested an investigation of the access to Wurzelbacher's information. Cuyahoga County court records do not show any child-support cases involving Wurzelbacher.

The State Highway Patrol, which administers the Law Enforcement Automated Data System in Ohio, asked Toledo police to explain why it pulled BMV information on Wurzelbacher within 48 hours of the debate, Hunter said.

The LEADS system also can be used to check for warrants and criminal histories, but such checks would not be reflected on the records obtained by The Dispatch.

Sgt. Tim Campbell, a Toledo police spokesman, said he could not provide any information because the department only had learned of the State Highway Patrol inquiry today.

[nolippin]

Maybe he could add the ATM "victim" to the ticket. We want to show how progressive he is to get the Hillary vote.

i heard this last night. anything is possible and joe the plumber might be what the republican party needs. we'll add him to sarah hockey mom palin and seek out bob the builder, ron the roofer, carl the cook, milly the meter maid, etc...

[treetopovskaya]

gov palin dropping the puck again. }:C)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=harpf-tg ... re=related

[Enigma869]

notice how this post is overlooked & people are more interested in "joe the plumber" possibly running for congress in 2010? just like no one wanted to discuss my post on sarah palin's plan for special needs children.

For the record, I never suggested I was remotely interested in "Joe the Plumber" running for Congress. I simply posted it, because it was in the news. I think the guy is a putz! As for Puppet Palin...There is nothing to discuss. The woman has two brain cells, and I'm not sure either of them is firing on all cylinders! Nothing that woman raises as an issue, will ever have any credibility with me. She is simply too stupid to ever be taken seriously, as a politician!


John from Boston

[Lula]

"Paul Lindsay, Ohio spokesman for the McCain campaign, attempted to portray the inquiries as politically motivated. "It's outrageous to see how quickly Barack Obama's allies would abuse government power in an attempt to smear a private citizen who dared to ask a legitimate question," he said.

Isaac Baker, Obama's Ohio spokesman, denounced Lindsay's statement as charges of desperation from a campaign running out of time. "Invasions of privacy should not be tolerated. If these records were accessed inappropriately, it had nothing to do with our campaign and should be investigated fully," he said. "

what fact finder posted says it all- accused and denied, basically a non issue unless something is proven.

as for palin's call to support special needs children... with idea in place (thank you pres clinton) children in public schools are receiving services, what needs to be funded properly is bush's no child left behind, which was terribly vague on education rights for children with disabilities. early education programs also known as head start (once again, thank you prez bill for the expansion and again we find funding falls short under bush).... anyway there are programs, great programs in place they just need to be funded. if palin is sincere in her desire to advocate on behalf of children with disabilities she better be careful on earmarked studies she would cut.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/24/palin-fruit-flies/

[treetopovskaya]

why does obama needs so many foreign policy advisers?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/18/us/po ... isers.html

[treetopovskaya]

nice.

funny how when the shoes on the other foot it's a "non-issue".

"Paul Lindsay, Ohio spokesman for the McCain campaign, attempted to portray the inquiries as politically motivated. "It's outrageous to see how quickly Barack Obama's allies would abuse government power in an attempt to smear a private citizen who dared to ask a legitimate question," he said.

Isaac Baker, Obama's Ohio spokesman, denounced Lindsay's statement as charges of desperation from a campaign running out of time. "Invasions of privacy should not be tolerated. If these records were accessed inappropriately, it had nothing to do with our campaign and should be investigated fully," he said. "

what fact finder posted says it all- accused and denied, basically a non issue unless something is proven.

as for palin's call to support special needs children... with idea in place (thank you pres clinton) children in public schools are receiving services, what needs to be funded properly is bush's no child left behind, which was terribly vague on education rights for children with disabilities. early education programs also known as head start (once again, thank you prez bill for the expansion and again we find funding falls short under bush).... anyway there are programs, great programs in place they just need to be funded. if palin is sincere in her desire to advocate on behalf of children with disabilities she better be careful on earmarked studies she would cut.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/24/palin-fruit-flies/

[treetopovskaya]

just how do you think obama is going to pay for all the things he is promising to do? where is the money to fund it all? we have no money!! he's going to have to raise taxes... on everyone. he says he's going to raise taxes on 95% of tax paying people. is this just a one time thing? what does he plan to do later? he's going to raise taxes. duh.

look at obama's record... he like to spend. go look it up.

look at how much money he is spending on his own campaign... spend... spend... spend...

[Lula]

i copied and pasted what i felt was pertinent info from fact finder's posted article. the words on palin and children with special needs are my own.

[treetopovskaya]

i changed it. sorry lula. }:C)

i really don't see how both sides are going to pay for anything they are promising to do. we have no money!

i copied and pasted what i felt was pertinent info from fact finder's posted article. the words on palin and children with special needs are my own.

[Voyager]

why does obama needs so many foreign policy advisers?

Because he has eight years of foreign relations destruction to repair.

[Voyager]

just how do you think obama is going to pay for all the things he is promising to do? where is the money to fund it all? we have no money!! he's going to have to raise taxes... on everyone. he says he's going to raise taxes on 95% of tax paying people. is this just a one time thing? what does he plan to do later? he's going to raise taxes. duh.

look at obama's record... he like to spend. go look it up.

look at how much money he is spending on his own campaign... spend... spend... spend...

Are you sure you're not talking about Bush? We are in the worst economic catastrophe since the Great Depression. That is due to the current Republican administration's failed economic policies, not Obama's.

[Lula]

nice.

funny how when the shoes on the other foot it's a "non-issue".

"Paul Lindsay, Ohio spokesman for the McCain campaign, attempted to portray the inquiries as politically motivated. "It's outrageous to see how quickly Barack Obama's allies would abuse government power in an attempt to smear a private citizen who dared to ask a legitimate question," he said.

Isaac Baker, Obama's Ohio spokesman, denounced Lindsay's statement as charges of desperation from a campaign running out of time. "Invasions of privacy should not be tolerated. If these records were accessed inappropriately, it had nothing to do with our campaign and should be investigated fully," he said. "

what fact finder posted says it all- accused and denied, basically a non issue unless something is proven.

as for palin's call to support special needs children... with idea in place (thank you pres clinton) children in public schools are receiving services, what needs to be funded properly is bush's no child left behind, which was terribly vague on education rights for children with disabilities. early education programs also known as head start (once again, thank you prez bill for the expansion and again we find funding falls short under bush).... anyway there are programs, great programs in place they just need to be funded. if palin is sincere in her desire to advocate on behalf of children with disabilities she better be careful on earmarked studies she would cut.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/24/palin-fruit-flies/

a non issue for either candidate unless there is a proven link to either campaign. but at this point when we are days away from election day it i think it would take something a lot bigger to have any impact on the election.

[Skylorde]

Are you sure you're not talking about Bush? We are in the worst economic catastrophe since the Great Depression.

Being stuck in the Delta quadrant all those years has truly made you clueless.

[Lula]

seems my gal sarah has more than one unethical act on the books.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081025/ap_ ... n_pipeline