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Do, you really think about what you say; do you really think for a moment that socialism could ever get it's foot in this country's door. This is a capitalist country with a few token social programs, STOP!! scaring yourself. I turned 50 years old today and I have realized this since I was ten years old. Socialism would get it's ass kicked royally in this country.scarygirl wrote:Enigma869 wrote:scarygirl wrote:What happens after President Obama enacts his tax on businesses taht don't have the money to provide health insurance? They'll go straight to the public dole. There will be O incentive to provide the best workers with benefits.
Go away and bow out gracefully! You can get back to your bitching and whining tomorrow! The fact that you actually believe what any politician claims he is going to do tells me that you're a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic!
John from Boston
I don't ordinarily believe anything that anybody tells me, but when someone is threatening socialism I kind of take notice.
Voyager wrote:7 Wishes wrote:scarygirl wrote: Job creation.. Damn those republicans. You know I'm not even middle class, and as much as I bitch and complain I've seen worse. I'm just kind of grateful.
Somehow, America has LOST jobs under Bush's watch - the first time it's ever happened, in history.
America LOST period under the dictatorship of the Bush/Cheney regime.
Hopefully we can begin digging our way out now. I'll bet that the stock market goes wild tomorrow in celebration.
[/quote] Looks good.quote="fredinator"]For those of you who might be afraid of an Obama administration, this article is very interesting and comforting since he might be planning on bringing in Republicans, etc., into his administration:
November 3, 2008 11:04 PM
Even before voting began, Washington was abuzz over what a Democratic White House might resemble.
In recent days an outline of an Obama administration has begun to emerge - both in the rumor mill and in press reports. The campaign itself has specifically and repeatedly denied any efforts as such. But sources confirm that advisers to the Senator are already plotting out the staffing of key cabinet positions. And the picture presented is one of experience, talent and bipartisanship.
Chief of Staff
The key figure here is Rahm Emanuel, who is already rumored to be the front man for the job. The Associated Press has reported that the Obama transition team is making overtures to the Illinois congressman, reports which both sides have played down. People in the know, meanwhile, are saying the likelihood is Rahm will be offered the post and will likely say yes - he has experience in the White House, connections and respect on Capitol Hill, and the combative, competitive demeanor that might be an asset for the post.
If for some unforeseen reason Emanuel doesn't work out (sources say he's that much of a lock), the other names being bantered around are John Podesta, the current topper of the Center for American Progress and former chief of staff for Bill Clinton, and Tom Daschle, who has served as a key Obama adviser throughout the campaign and is formerly the Senate Majority Leader.
Attorney General
Janet Napolitano seems in line for this key-ranking position, which became a controversial post under the stewardship of Alberto Gonzales. The current Governor of Arizona is close with Obama, having endorsed his candidacy early on. And sources say that she wouldn't mind the move to D.C. What may end up deciding the appointment, however, is that Eric Holder - who served briefly as AG under Bill Clinton and headed Obama's vice presidential search committee - doesn't want to go through the rigors of a confirmation process and could take himself out of the running.
Secretary of State
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This could be the big surprise. Sen. Dick Lugar, a Republican from Indiana may be, according to high-ranking Democrats, Obama's man for the job. The two have worked closely on several issues, none more so than securing loose nukes in former Soviet nations. But Democrats may not warm to the idea of an opposition party member getting an important foreign policy post (a complex to which liberals in particular are tired of being subjected). In light of that, Obama could consider -- and is rumored to be thinking about -- Sen. John Kerry, former U.N. Ambassador Dick Holbrooke, current foreign policy adviser Susan Rice and Greg Craig, another top Obama foreign policy adviser. Among cabinet positions, this seems to be one of the most wide open.
Treasury Secretary
For, perhaps, this most important position, Obama has a slew of options. The individual that sources say is rising closest to the top is former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker, who has been a key endorser of the Obama candidacy in these tough economic times. At the same time, Obama could turn to Warren Buffet, though there is little indication that the Oracle of Omaha wants the job. Or he could look outside the box and tap Michael Bloomberg, though the New York City mayor is seeking a third term in office.
Defense Secretary
The consensus is emerging that, at least for the time being, Obama will keep current header Robert Gates in the cabinet. The job extension would provide the Illinois Democrat the cover he needs to reverse course in Iraq without risking charges of overt partisanship on the issue. Here too, however, there are a host of different names from which Obama can choose his own appointee. These include Republicans such as Sens. Chuck Hagel and Lugar, as well as Democrats like Sen. Jack Reed - a strong congressional voice on foreign policy - Holbrooke and Richard Danzig, former Secretary of the Navy and another key Obama endorser/adviser.
All of this, of course, is speculation, premised entirely on an Obama win. And the list above excludes a bevy of names that have been rumored to be in the running for respective positions. But, from conversations with Washington insiders and in-the-know Democrats, it seems clear that the process of dwindling down the long lists of potential cabinet members has already begun. And the names emerging represent the type of politics that Obama has preached: competent, non-rigid, and above partisanship.
Other Top Names
Secretary Of Agriculture
Tom Vilsack
Secretary Of Energy
Dan Reicher
Ed Rendell
Jason Grument
Steve Westly
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Pete Domenici
James Woolsey
Secretary Of Education
Joel Klein
Caroline Kennedy
White House Counsel
Mark Alexander
Robert Bauer
Secretary Of Defense
Colin Powell
Attorney General
Deval Patrick
Treasury Secretary
Tim Geithner
Larry Summers
EPA Head
Robert Sussman
Lula wrote:Dude, you do know that Minnesota is always ranked as one of the most nicest, livable states in the country, right?
Also, if Franken is human feces, what does it say about Norm Coleman who may go down in defeat to...tada..human feces?
The stupid fucks are the ones getting steam rolled tonight. Fuck being nice anymore. With the class comments seen here lately, I want VA, NC, CO, IN and MT, to go with CA, OR, WA and HI.= 336 votes. Fuck, somehow someway, I want MO too.
Skylorde wrote:Hey Frank, it's on, just as we figured.
Israel launches first airstrike on Gaza since June
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 2FShowFull
Hamas fires over 35 rockets towards Israel
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNew ... B520081105
strangegrey wrote:Skylorde wrote:Hey Frank, it's on, just as we figured.
Israel launches first airstrike on Gaza since June
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 2FShowFull
Hamas fires over 35 rockets towards Israel
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNew ... B520081105
Yep.....I suspect there might be a direct action against Iran *very* soon. I get the distinct impression Obama might leave Israel with their dicks in the wind (and for that, I will aplaud him)....and if Israel gets that sense, they will start amping up big time.
It seems as if this is exactly what's happening. I suspect Israel is going to try to take out specific Hamas targets before a full scale attack against Iran....so that they don't get flanked by Hamas.
It was never a matter of if, but a matter of when...
scarygirl wrote:Someone explain to me how all these corporate tax increases that are about to take place are going to keep jobs in America?
Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:want to follow what thinking is going on in Israel read www.debka.com THey seem to find out things others dont , before they happen.
Unfortunately I think your analsis is spot on.
fredinator wrote:Do you all think Hillary might be Sec'y of State?
Enigma869 wrote:fredinator wrote:Do you all think Hillary might be Sec'y of State?
I've heard John Kerry's name mentioned several times as Secretary of State, but who knows. I suspect that Obama already has most of the names in place.
John from Boston
Rhiannon wrote:The_Noble_Cause wrote:Howard Dean for this.
YYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHH!
Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:Bill Richardson. The Nachos and buffalo wings at Bill Clinton's Superbowl party this year tasted like shit and there wasnt enough beer on hand, so he went to Obama and sold his support for Hilary- trading it for a promise to be secretary of state .
Ill bet you a big tall can of Ole Milwaukee beer on it!!
Enigma869 wrote:Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:Bill Richardson. The Nachos and buffalo wings at Bill Clinton's Superbowl party this year tasted like shit and there wasnt enough beer on hand, so he went to Obama and sold his support for Hilary- trading it for a promise to be secretary of state .
Ill bet you a big tall can of Ole Milwaukee beer on it!!
I sincerely hope that Obama selects a bipartisan cabinet. Now that Congress has an overwhelming majority of Democrats, I'm not liking this whole one party rule. I feel like Obama will make the right decision and select people from the other side of the aisle for prominent positions within his administration. On another note, I found Obama's speech last night to be one of the best political speeches that I've ever listened to. I had forgotten what a president should sound like, given the last 8 years of fumbling through sentences!
John from Boston
Enigma869 wrote: I had forgotten what a president should sound like, given the last 8 years of fumbling through sentences!
Enigma869 wrote:Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:Bill Richardson. The Nachos and buffalo wings at Bill Clinton's Superbowl party this year tasted like shit and there wasnt enough beer on hand, so he went to Obama and sold his support for Hilary- trading it for a promise to be secretary of state .
Ill bet you a big tall can of Ole Milwaukee beer on it!!
I sincerely hope that Obama selects a bipartisan cabinet. Now that Congress has an overwhelming majority of Democrats, I'm not liking this whole one party rule. I feel like Obama will make the right decision and select people from the other side of the aisle for prominent positions within his administration. On another note, I found Obama's speech last night to be one of the best political speeches that I've ever listened to. I had forgotten what a president should sound like, given the last 8 years of fumbling through sentences!
John from Boston
scarygirl wrote:Someone explain to me how all these corporate tax increases that are about to take place are going to keep jobs in America?
Enigma869 wrote:scarygirl wrote:Someone explain to me how all these corporate tax increases that are about to take place are going to keep jobs in America?
You really need to pull your head out of your ass!
Fact Finder wrote:Thank you Andrew for the chance to debate this shit here without heavy handed moderation. It was good for all of us I think. I learned a few things and would like to think others did as well. All in all it's been a great experience for this Melodicrock loving, political/news junkie.
Enigma869 wrote:strangegrey wrote: Once the dust has settled, we can all go back to fighting over Journey instead!
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John from Boston
strangegrey wrote:Fact Finder wrote:Thank you Andrew for the chance to debate this shit here without heavy handed moderation. It was good for all of us I think. I learned a few things and would like to think others did as well. All in all it's been a great experience for this Melodicrock loving, political/news junkie.
Well said...and I second that.
Thanks Andrew for letting us slug it out and call each other nasty things all in the name of democracy. Once the dust has settled, we can all go back to fighting over Journey instead!
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