President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Lula]

lol, okay fact finder. i'm so glad we have folks like you to keep us teachers in line. and here i thought i could take my students off campus without parental permission, what the heck have i been doing? and the porn, oh shoot, that's wrong too? must've been that catholic college i got my masters in education from, lousy institution!

thanks fred

[Blueskies]

I do believe Dan has lied about me, though

I am opening up the forum for anyone that would like to come forward and state any supposed "lies" pertaining to Blowsguys.

That jackass doesn't know me at all and has never talked to me enough to have anything truthful to say.

Phyllis, you were the one pushing the phone call. It went well. Your phone acumen has never been questioned. It's your dog after the mailman routine on here with virtually every poster that's grown old.

I'm an Independent, not a Democrat.

Wrong. You're a skank.

Ahhhh....so Stu was lying and threw you under the bus or you lied to Stu and spread tales with no factual bearing by gossip mongering. I haven't done a damn thing to you like Stu said he had "heard"...you just don't like what I say on the board. Thanks for clearing that up....and by doing so....gossiping and lying on someone...besides how you have talked to me on this board.. it shows even further what a complete ass you are.
Its all here to see in the last couple pages of this thread.

[Saint John]

I do believe Dan has lied about me, though

I am opening up the forum for anyone that would like to come forward and state any supposed "lies" pertaining to Blowsguys.

That jackass doesn't know me at all and has never talked to me enough to have anything truthful to say.

Phyllis, you were the one pushing the phone call. It went well. Your phone acumen has never been questioned. It's your dog after the mailman routine on here with virtually every poster that's grown old.

I'm an Independent, not a Democrat.

Wrong. You're a skank.

Ahhhh....so Stu was lying and threw you under the bus or you lied to Stu and spread tales with no factual bearing by gossip mongering. I haven't done a damn thing to you like Stu said he had "heard"...you just don't like what I say on the board. Thanks for clearing that up....and by doing so....gossiping and lieing on someone...besides how you have talked to me on this board.. it shows even further what a complete ass you are.

Per usual, you make no sense. I have never uttered a word to Stu about you. You simply don't warrant the time. What the gossiping and/or "lieing" (nyce gramer ) comments mean I have no idea. There is no logical correlation between your premise and your conclusion ... none.

[Eric]

i just realized my students won't be back until wednesday the 9th, so it's a moot point. i don't think i would send home permission slips unless it was a rated r speech. i don't preach any ideology/philosophy to my students other than the golden rule. we do not have to get permission for a presidential address. i get that you don't think the president belongs in our schools and that is fine, but i disagree. current events are relevant to lessons and that includes the government.

I think its OKAY, as long as the teacher doesn't push onto the student that whatever the President says is the absolute truth. If Obama were to bring up global warming for example, there should be some discussion of it from both sides. I still think what he is doing is a tad creepy, and worry what Rahm's propaganda motives may be.

[G.I.Jim]

propaganda, dave? come on, even conservatives should want to see children succeed in school.

Everyone wants their children to succeed. Now explain to me how having the president giving 2nd and 3rd graders a speech is going to help them in school! Why would the president want to be reaching out to students, when the country is in such a damn mess, and us taxpayers need him doing what it takes to get us through this situation? 1st, he goes on a couple of vacations, then when he could be working hard to help our futures... he uses that time to tell half of the children in the country that some day they could grow up and be like him.


Let's see what Hitler said about children...

"He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future."

Kind of interesting isn't it?

[Lula]

i'm not going to explain anything. i didn't put this together, geez. the whole hitler thing is disgusting. even when bush was in the whitehouse i respected the presidency. this is not worth the time.

[Eric]

i'm not going to explain anything. i didn't put this together, geez. the whole hitler thing is disgusting. even when bush was in the whitehouse i respected the presidency. this is not worth the time.

Well he does have his own logo!

My wife, who works for a Head Start program...so she's obviously not in agreement with me about politics all the time....thinks its bizarre that Obama is doing this during the day when parents are somewhat not in control of the decision.

[yak]

[G.I.Jim]

i'm not going to explain anything. i didn't put this together, geez. the whole hitler thing is disgusting. even when bush was in the whitehouse i respected the presidency. this is not worth the time.

I'm not trying to be an ass with you Lulu. You just stated to Dave that even "conservatives" should want their kids to succeed. I think you were joking by the laughing face (either that, or you're just pure evil!) I just think it's a little strange at a time like this, for the president to be spending time on stuff like this instead of helping out on issues that could certainly use his attention right now!

If I'm not mistaken, pretty much EVERY democrat and/or liberal on this board called Bush nothing but a "liar, war monger, an alcoholic, a bumbling idiot", and pretty much every OTHER thing you can think about saying about him. You may not have, and if you didn't, I apologize.

Bush did make some mistakes and he wasn't perfect, but I think he was a true patriot who loved his country and did what he thought was in our best interests. He never listened to a man who spewed HATE for this entire country, nor did he associated with known terrorists.

Obama scares the living SHIT out of me, and I think that this country is going to see just what kind of a person he is very soon. His associations are just INSANE, and why he never got hammered over them by the press just blows my mind. I may be moving back to Canada before it's all said and done. I think he and Pelosi join rings, and unite to form... THE ANTI-CHRIST!!!

Just telling you how I feel about this whole thing Lulu... not a slam against you at all.

[fredinator]

Quit picking apart Lula's comments. It is ridiculous. Teachers go above and beyond what is required for them to do in their jobs.

Oh Boo Hoo! Daddy, make the mean man go away! Teachers, like Cops are just like everyone else and they aren't the only people who go "Above and Beyond".

As usual, you took what she said out of context. All the teachers I've known have doled out of their own pockets money for school supplies, class decorations, party supplies, all kinds of stuff.

Pew Charitable Trusts report: In 40 states, public school teachers fail to make as much as workers in comparable professions, such as reporters and insurance underwriters, according to a new report by the Editorial Projects in Education Research Center (EPE). Nationwide, teachers earn only 88 cents for every dollar paid to workers in equivalent jobs.

[Lula]

appreciate it jim. i don't know the motivation for this adderss. i'm a trusting person and i don't have a problem with it, but i'm also not with students that day so i'm not even thinking about it anymore. i think there is some paranoia taking place.

from the white house-

"Help get America’s students engaged! On Tuesday, September 8 — the first day of school for many students — the President will talk directly to students across the country on the importance of taking responsibility for their education, challenging them to set goals and do everything they can to succeed....."

nothing wrong with this in my opinion.

[Eric]

appreciate it jim. i don't know the motivation for this adderss. i'm a trusting person and i don't have a problem with it, but i'm also not with students that day so i'm not even thinking about it anymore. i think there is some paranoia taking place.

from the white house-

"Help get America’s students engaged! On Tuesday, September 8 — the first day of school for many students — the President will talk directly to students across the country on the importance of taking responsibility for their education, challenging them to set goals and do everything they can to succeed....."

nothing wrong with this in my opinion.

Its an HOUR speech, however.

[Lula]

an hour? good luck holding the kids' interest

[G.I.Jim]

appreciate it jim. i don't know the motivation for this adderss. i'm a trusting person and i don't have a problem with it, but i'm also not with students that day so i'm not even thinking about it anymore. i think there is some paranoia taking place.

from the white house-

"Help get America’s students engaged! On Tuesday, September 8 — the first day of school for many students — the President will talk directly to students across the country on the importance of taking responsibility for their education, challenging them to set goals and do everything they can to succeed....."

nothing wrong with this in my opinion.

Its an HOUR speech, however.

There's going to be a LOT of boogers being picked (maybe some eaten) during THAT speach! I tip my hat to anyone out there who's a teacher. I've subbed in classes several times thoughout the last 10 years, and I'll be spending the entire day tomorrow with every JROTC student in the high school I recruit for. Teenagers (well, kids in general) can be SERIOUS pains in the ass!!! They tend not to talk back much to me though...I give them this look and they shut right up.

[Ehwmatt]

appreciate it jim. i don't know the motivation for this adderss. i'm a trusting person and i don't have a problem with it, but i'm also not with students that day so i'm not even thinking about it anymore. i think there is some paranoia taking place.

from the white house-

"Help get America’s students engaged! On Tuesday, September 8 — the first day of school for many students — the President will talk directly to students across the country on the importance of taking responsibility for their education, challenging them to set goals and do everything they can to succeed....."

nothing wrong with this in my opinion.

Its an HOUR speech, however.

There's going to be a LOT of boogers being picked (maybe some eaten) during THAT speach! I tip my hat to anyone out there who's a teacher. I've subbed in classes several times thoughout the last 10 years, and I'll be spending the entire day tomorrow with every JROTC student in the high school I recruit for. Teenagers (well, kids in general) can be SERIOUS pains in the ass!!! They tend not to talk back much to me though...I give them this look and they shut right up.

I'd just pistol whip 'em

The kids will point and laugh at the big ears and be entertained for 5 minutes. "Mommy? What does redistributive justice mean????"

[G.I.Jim]

appreciate it jim. i don't know the motivation for this adderss. i'm a trusting person and i don't have a problem with it, but i'm also not with students that day so i'm not even thinking about it anymore. i think there is some paranoia taking place.

from the white house-

"Help get America’s students engaged! On Tuesday, September 8 — the first day of school for many students — the President will talk directly to students across the country on the importance of taking responsibility for their education, challenging them to set goals and do everything they can to succeed....."

nothing wrong with this in my opinion.

Its an HOUR speech, however.

There's going to be a LOT of boogers being picked (maybe some eaten) during THAT speach! I tip my hat to anyone out there who's a teacher. I've subbed in classes several times thoughout the last 10 years, and I'll be spending the entire day tomorrow with every JROTC student in the high school I recruit for. Teenagers (well, kids in general) can be SERIOUS pains in the ass!!! They tend not to talk back much to me though...I give them this look and they shut right up.

I'd just pistol whip 'em

The kids will point and laugh at the big ears and be entertained for 5 minutes. "Mommy? What does redistributive justice mean????"

Hell, maybe THEY'LL understand his health bill!

[Ehwmatt]

appreciate it jim. i don't know the motivation for this adderss. i'm a trusting person and i don't have a problem with it, but i'm also not with students that day so i'm not even thinking about it anymore. i think there is some paranoia taking place.

from the white house-

"Help get America’s students engaged! On Tuesday, September 8 — the first day of school for many students — the President will talk directly to students across the country on the importance of taking responsibility for their education, challenging them to set goals and do everything they can to succeed....."

nothing wrong with this in my opinion.

Its an HOUR speech, however.

There's going to be a LOT of boogers being picked (maybe some eaten) during THAT speach! I tip my hat to anyone out there who's a teacher. I've subbed in classes several times thoughout the last 10 years, and I'll be spending the entire day tomorrow with every JROTC student in the high school I recruit for. Teenagers (well, kids in general) can be SERIOUS pains in the ass!!! They tend not to talk back much to me though...I give them this look and they shut right up.

I'd just pistol whip 'em

The kids will point and laugh at the big ears and be entertained for 5 minutes. "Mommy? What does redistributive justice mean????"

Hell, maybe THEY'LL understand his health bill!

Actually, he CAN bring it down to their level, just look at my sig. Aristotlean logic that ain't.

[Lula]

i wish obama would just write the healthcare reform bill and get it passed rather than waiting on the bozos to get it done!

[Ehwmatt]

i wish obama would just write the healthcare reform bill and get it passed rather than waiting on the bozos to get it done!

The same way he wrote all those influential notes as editor of Harvard Law Review?

Production ain't exactly his forte, by all indications.

[donnaplease]

appreciate it jim. i don't know the motivation for this adderss. i'm a trusting person and i don't have a problem with it, but i'm also not with students that day so i'm not even thinking about it anymore. i think there is some paranoia taking place.

from the white house-

"Help get America’s students engaged! On Tuesday, September 8 — the first day of school for many students — the President will talk directly to students across the country on the importance of taking responsibility for their education, challenging them to set goals and do everything they can to succeed....."

nothing wrong with this in my opinion.

Lu, if that's all he's doing I have absolutely no problem with it. I don't know much about this, but I heard something on the radio on my way home from yet another 12-hour work day that suggested he was recommending the kids ask themselves something like "what can I do to help the president?". IDK if the radio announcer was politicizing it or BO is politicizing it (or both, or neither) but if he's trying to 'get inside their heads' for political purposes then I think it's totally wrong. Is there paranoia taking place? I'd say that sure there is, but I'd also say that the paranoia is reasonable given the situation we find ourselves in.

Edit to add: I think every president should be considered a role model for children. As the highest leader in the land, the prez is something that all kids aspire to be at some point in their lives. I just want to see the position itself 'advertised' (sorry...lack of a better word right now) and not the politics of R/D and con/lib. You can respect the role without respecting the man, IMO, and that's what I tried to drive home to Dean several months ago when we debated how W was being portrayed.

[conversationpc]

Quit picking apart Lula's comments. It is ridiculous. Teachers go above and beyond what is required for them to do in their jobs.

Oh Boo Hoo! Daddy, make the mean man go away! Teachers, like Cops are just like everyone else and they aren't the only people who go "Above and Beyond".

As usual, you took what she said out of context. All the teachers I've known have doled out of their own pockets money for school supplies, class decorations, party supplies, all kinds of stuff.

Pew Charitable Trusts report: In 40 states, public school teachers fail to make as much as workers in comparable professions, such as reporters and insurance underwriters, according to a new report by the Editorial Projects in Education Research Center (EPE). Nationwide, teachers earn only 88 cents for every dollar paid to workers in equivalent jobs.

I think teachers should make more than they do. Period. However, they go into it knowing that they aren't going to be making much money. They should be the last ones complaining.

[yak]

i wish obama would just write the healthcare reform bill and get it passed rather than waiting on the bozos to get it done!

Be very careful what you wish for. Do you have any idea whatsoever what is contained in that bill? Here's a hint: It has absolutely nothing to do with "healthcare." It's a pure power grab, plain and simple. What's the hurry to pass this monstrosity? The gov't can't even make a stupid program like Cash for Clunkers work; what makes them think they can run something like "healthcare?" This is a blantant attempt to get rid of all private insurance, and all free enterprise, and contol everything and everybody.

Why do you think he's trying to ram it down the throats of Americans? And so quickly? Many of whom, I might add, have read the bill and know what's in it. Why do you think people are so angry?

Why the rush? Why did he say he doesn't care if he doesn't do a second term, as long as "health care" passes? Why are they trying to maneuver things so Eric Holder can become Speaker of the House? Everything that has ever come out of his mouth is a LIE.

[treetopovskaya]

appreciate it jim. i don't know the motivation for this adderss. i'm a trusting person and i don't have a problem with it, but i'm also not with students that day so i'm not even thinking about it anymore. i think there is some paranoia taking place.

from the white house-

"Help get America’s students engaged! On Tuesday, September 8 — the first day of school for many students — the President will talk directly to students across the country on the importance of taking responsibility for their education, challenging them to set goals and do everything they can to succeed....."

nothing wrong with this in my opinion.

Lu, if that's all he's doing I have absolutely no problem with it. I don't know much about this, but I heard something on the radio on my way home from yet another 12-hour work day that suggested he was recommending the kids ask themselves something like "what can I do to help the president?". IDK if the radio announcer was politicizing it or BO is politicizing it (or both, or neither) but if he's trying to 'get inside their heads' for political purposes then I think it's totally wrong. Is there paranoia taking place? I'd say that sure there is, but I'd also say that the paranoia is reasonable given the situation we find ourselves in.

Edit to add: I think every president should be considered a role model for children. As the highest leader in the land, the prez is something that all kids aspire to be at some point in their lives. I just want to see the position itself 'advertised' (sorry...lack of a better word right now) and not the politics of R/D and con/lib. You can respect the role without respecting the man, IMO, and that's what I tried to drive home to Dean several months ago when we debated how W was being portrayed.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10582301/Pr ... ber-8-2009

[Lula]

I think teachers should make more than they do. Period. However, they go into it knowing that they aren't going to be making much money. They should be the last ones complaining.

you're right. anyone going into teaching for the money is a fool, sorry it is a decent living tho. as long as i can keep a roof over our heads, feed our bellies and have a little fun i'm fine. i just want to give my son a good life, simple, but good.

[Ehwmatt]

I think teachers should make more than they do. Period. However, they go into it knowing that they aren't going to be making much money. They should be the last ones complaining.

you're right. anyone going into teaching for the money is a fool, sorry it is a decent living tho. as long as i can keep a roof over our heads, feed our bellies and have a little fun i'm fine. i just want to give my son a good life, simple, but good.

I got a couple friends that are teaching, they also do stuff in the summer teaching tennis (lucrative)... they are raking in 6 figures between the two. That's the nice thing about teachin, you can rock out in the summers. I envy them in some ways... but teaching wouldn't be for me.

[Lula]

I got a couple friends that are teaching, they also do stuff in the summer teaching tennis (lucrative)... they are raking in 6 figures between the two. That's the nice thing about teachin, you can rock out in the summers. I envy them in some ways... but teaching wouldn't be for me.

wow! what district do they teach for? grade? or maybe it is the tennis that pays. even the vets in our district cap out under 70k a year.

[Lula]

yak- my deal with healthcare reform is wanting to see costs brought down, correct the wrongs such as being dropped for having cancer etc, and help those that are uninsured. i'm a lucky one, i have good insurance, but it costs a lot. i don't have the answers, i just want it done.

[Ehwmatt]

I got a couple friends that are teaching, they also do stuff in the summer teaching tennis (lucrative)... they are raking in 6 figures between the two. That's the nice thing about teachin, you can rock out in the summers. I envy them in some ways... but teaching wouldn't be for me.

wow! what district do they teach for? grade? or maybe it is the tennis that pays. even the vets in our district cap out under 70k a year.

It's the tennis... plus they can still do 10~20 hours a week on the weekends during the school year. As I said, teaching tennis is VERY lucrative. In the summer they teach on their own (not out of the racquet club) and charge $50/hr (cash) so it adds up. They could be exaggerating the six figure stuff, they are blowhards... I doubt our school districts here in Ohio pay more than average. I mean shit, when I was 17 years old I was making $5-6k a summer, crazy money for a kid that age.

[yak]

yak- my deal with healthcare reform is wanting to see costs brought down, correct the wrongs such as being dropped for having cancer etc, and help those that are uninsured. i'm a lucky one, i have good insurance, but it costs a lot. i don't have the answers, i just want it done.

That's what we all want, Lula. That's not what's in this so-called "health care reform." People are being lied to. If this goes through, you will be forced to sign on to it, or pay a very heavy fine to keep your own insurance. The goal is to make costs so high, that insurance companies will be forced out of business, thereby dropping those of us who want our own private insurance, and forcing everybody under one umbrella.

[separate_wayz]

I got a couple friends that are teaching, they also do stuff in the summer teaching tennis (lucrative)... they are raking in 6 figures between the two. That's the nice thing about teachin, you can rock out in the summers. I envy them in some ways... but teaching wouldn't be for me.

wow! what district do they teach for? grade? or maybe it is the tennis that pays. even the vets in our district cap out under 70k a year.

The idea that teachers are underpaid is one of the biggest loads of bullshit on the planet. Per hour worked, they are WAAAAAAAY more highly compensated than comparable positions. The retort? "School teachers pay for their own school supplies." Answer: who gives a shit, who gives a fuck. Almost every professional person pays for supplies. training, travel, whatever, out of his or her own pocket at some point, some much more than school teachers. Not only are public school teachers more highly paid than comparable positions on an hourly basis, their health insurance benefits are incredibly out of line, even with the public sector. I have my hands on a statistical report in my state, freshly released from the state agency responsible for compiling such stats and used in collective bargaining agreements, so I have no doubt about this. On average, school teachers in this state pay 5% of the premiums ..... five percent. And the benefit package itself? Forget calling it a "Cadillac plan". These benefits could only be described as "a Mercedes-Benz plan". In a number of districts, teachers don't even pay the employee share of their retirement benefits -- that share is picked-up by the school district, in addition to paying the employer share.

One of the more damning statistics: every ten-year census, it's shown that (on average, in about 19 of every 20 districts) public school teachers send their kids to private schools at a higher rate than the general population. Two points about this: (1) what does that say about how public school teachers view the product that they're effectively selling, and (2) since private school enrollment is largely a function of income, we can pretty safely say that households with public school teachers are doing comfortably well, well enough to send their own kids to private schools at an above-average rate.

There are plenty of good public school teachers, and lots of mediocre ones .... but let's for once drop the notion that they're horribly underpaid. It's a line of bullshit that needs to be put to rest.